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A Tribute to the Bible
Copied from page 241 of the New Testament of a 1963 edition of Dake's
Annotated Reference Bible. As far as I know ALL his Bible's are King James Only. [ALL TYPOS ARE MINE ALONE! I think I'll copyright them!] :-) [Where he underlined for emphasis I'll use upper case.] =========== A Tribute to the Bible The Bible is not an amulet, a charm, a fetish, or a book that will work wonders by its very presence. IT IS a book that will work wonders in every life, here and hereafter, if acted upon and obeyed in faith and sincerity. IT IS God's inspired revelation of the origin and destiny of all things, written in the most simple human language possible so that the most unlearned can understand and obey its teachings. IT IS self-interpreting and covers every subject of human knowledge and need now and forever. AS A LITERARY COMPOSITION, the Bible is the most remarkable book ever made. It is a divine library of 66 books, some of considerable size, and others no larger than a tract. THESE BOOKS INCLUDE various forms of literature - history, biography, poetry, proverbial sayings, hymns, letters, directions for elaborate ritualistic worship, laws, parables, riddles, allegories, prophecy, drama, and others. They embrace all manner of literary styles in human expression. IT IS THE BOOK THAT REVEALS the mind of God, the state of man, the way of salvation, the doom of sinners, and the happiness of believers. Its doctrines are holy, its precepts binding, its histories true, and its decisions immutable. Read it to be wise, believe it to be safe, and practice it to be holy. The Bible contains light to direct you, food to support you, and comfort to cheer you. It is the traveler's map, the pilgrim's staff, the pilot's compass, the soldier's sword, and the Christian's charter. Here heaven is opened, and the gates of hell disclosed. Christ is its grand subject, our good is its design, and the glory of God its end. It should fill your memory, rule your heart, and guide your feet in righteousness and true holiness. Read it slowly, frequently, prayerfully, meditatively, searchingly, devotionally, and study it constantly, perseveringly, and industriously. Read it through and through until it becomes part of your being and generates faith that will move mountains. The Bible is a mine of wealth, the source of health, and a world of pleasure. It is given to you in this life, will be opened at the judgment, and will stand forever. It involves the highest responsibility, will reward the least to the greatest of labor, and will condemn all who trifle with its sacred contents. |
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"Al Patrick" wrote in message ... Copied from page 241 of the New Testament of a 1963 edition of Dake's Annotated Reference Bible. As far as I know ALL his Bible's are King James Only. [ALL TYPOS ARE MINE ALONE! I think I'll copyright them!] :-) [Where he underlined for emphasis I'll use upper case.] =========== A Tribute to the Bible The Bible is not an amulet, a charm, a fetish, or a book that will work wonders by its very presence. IT IS a book that will work wonders in every life, here and hereafter, if acted upon and obeyed in faith and sincerity. IT IS God's inspired revelation of the origin and destiny of all things, written in the most simple human language possible so that the most unlearned can understand and obey its teachings. IT IS self-interpreting and covers every subject of human knowledge and need now and forever. That means absolutely nothing, and the same claims could be made by any other holy book. And written in the most simple human language possible? What hyperbole! It was written in an inferior language, plain and simple. Having a word for "sphere" or "globe", etc. for example would have made the whole is the Earth round or flat debate moot. I won't even go near the "almah" means young lady vs. virgin debate. And as for understanding and obeying its teachings, yeah...right. that's why they're more subsets of Christianity than you can name. |
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"Al Patrick" wrote in message ... Copied from page 241 of the New Testament of a 1963 edition of Dake's Annotated Reference Bible. As far as I know ALL his Bible's are King James Only. [ALL TYPOS ARE MINE ALONE! I think I'll copyright them!] :-) [Where he underlined for emphasis I'll use upper case.] =========== A Tribute to the Bible s n i p It was written in an inferior language, plain and simple. You'd better be careful, Honus. Comments like that will get you LABELED as ANTI-SEMITIC ! Wasn't most of it written in HEBREW? :-) I can see the headlines now, HONUS, ANTI-SEMITIC |
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"Al Patrick" wrote in message ... Honus wrote: It was written in an inferior language, plain and simple. You'd better be careful, Honus. Comments like that will get you LABELED as ANTI-SEMITIC ! Wasn't most of it written in HEBREW? :-) I can see the headlines now, HONUS, ANTI-SEMITIC Nice try, but no cigar. I don't think anyone here (including you) is going to seriously accuse me of being an anti-Semite. Come to think of it, that wasn't even a nice try. And my point stands. I see you didn't try to refute it. Smart boy. |
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"Honus" wrote in message news:H4TSd.54284$uc.1254@trnddc04... "Al Patrick" wrote in message ... Copied from page 241 of the New Testament of a 1963 edition of Dake's Annotated Reference Bible. As far as I know ALL his Bible's are King James Only. [ALL TYPOS ARE MINE ALONE! I think I'll copyright them!] :-) [Where he underlined for emphasis I'll use upper case.] =========== A Tribute to the Bible The Bible is not an amulet, a charm, a fetish, or a book that will work wonders by its very presence. IT IS a book that will work wonders in every life, here and hereafter, if acted upon and obeyed in faith and sincerity. IT IS God's inspired revelation of the origin and destiny of all things, written in the most simple human language possible so that the most unlearned can understand and obey its teachings. IT IS self-interpreting and covers every subject of human knowledge and need now and forever. That means absolutely nothing, and the same claims could be made by any other holy book. And written in the most simple human language possible? What hyperbole! It was written in an inferior language, plain and simple. Having a word for "sphere" or "globe", etc. for example would have made the whole is the Earth round or flat debate moot. I won't even go near the "almah" means young lady vs. virgin debate. And as for understanding and obeying its teachings, yeah...right. that's why they're more subsets of Christianity than you can name. I have to disagree. The Koran cant work wonders as it teaches its followers to kill all infidels. As for language, simple means simple, doesn't mean it translates exactly the way you want it to in whatever language you choose. As for the "almah" "debate", the writers of the Septuagint clearly understood the meaning of the Hebrew and translated it with the Greek word for "virgin". That argument is pretty much closed. As for "subsets" of Christianity, more properly called denominations, that has nothing to do with disobeying the Bible at all. It has to do with interpretation. Different verses can be understood in different ways. Sometimes our lack of ability to clearly translate an ancient language into our own lends itself to such differences of interpretation. The prayer of Jabez comes to mind. For you to dismiss the Bible as a mere book just indicates that you don't realize how it has changed peoples lives. If everyone lived by the teachings of Jesus, there would be no hate, no selfishness, no lust, no murder, no theft. You cant say that about any other "holy" book. B |
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"Brian Oakley" wrote in message ... "Honus" wrote in message news:H4TSd.54284$uc.1254@trnddc04... "Al Patrick" wrote in message ... Copied from page 241 of the New Testament of a 1963 edition of Dake's Annotated Reference Bible. As far as I know ALL his Bible's are King James Only. [ALL TYPOS ARE MINE ALONE! I think I'll copyright them!] :-) [Where he underlined for emphasis I'll use upper case.] =========== A Tribute to the Bible The Bible is not an amulet, a charm, a fetish, or a book that will work wonders by its very presence. IT IS a book that will work wonders in every life, here and hereafter, if acted upon and obeyed in faith and sincerity. IT IS God's inspired revelation of the origin and destiny of all things, written in the most simple human language possible so that the most unlearned can understand and obey its teachings. IT IS self-interpreting and covers every subject of human knowledge and need now and forever. That means absolutely nothing, and the same claims could be made by any other holy book. And written in the most simple human language possible? What hyperbole! It was written in an inferior language, plain and simple. Having a word for "sphere" or "globe", etc. for example would have made the whole is the Earth round or flat debate moot. I won't even go near the "almah" means young lady vs. virgin debate. And as for understanding and obeying its teachings, yeah...right. that's why they're more subsets of Christianity than you can name. I have to disagree. Gosh. I didn't see -that- coming. The Koran cant work wonders as it teaches its followers to kill all infidels. Of course, you can find -millions- of Muslims that say that it doesn't. And of course, Christians have been killing infidels since Day ****ing One. And saying that the Koran can't work wonders is extraordinarily ignorant. IIRC it's the fastest growing religion in if not the US then the world. Are these people converting because they're craven evil *******s that want to fill their lives with sin? Or is it more likely that they're experienceing the change that you think only comes with Christianity? You know...the one that you're so smugly dismissing? As for language, simple means simple, doesn't mean it translates exactly the way you want it to in whatever language you choose. The point is that God could have either selected a better language or made Hebrew more suitable for his purpose. As for the "almah" "debate", the writers of the Septuagint clearly understood the meaning of the Hebrew and translated it with the Greek word for "virgin". That argument is pretty much closed. Wrong. Do some research. I would advise asking Jews what the words mean. It's their language, after all. But you might not like the answer. As for "subsets" of Christianity, more properly called denominations, that has nothing to do with disobeying the Bible at all. It has to do with interpretation. Which wouldn't be an issue if God had "either selected a better language or made Hebrew more suitable for his purpose." I don't need your help...really. Different verses can be understood in different ways. Sometimes our lack of ability to clearly translate an ancient language into our own lends itself to such differences of interpretation. The prayer of Jabez comes to mind. See above. For you to dismiss the Bible as a mere book just indicates that you don't realize how it has changed peoples lives. You don't know me or my background. Do a little research before you make an ass of yourself. If everyone lived by the teachings of Jesus, there would be no hate, no selfishness, no lust, no murder, no theft. You cant say that about any other "holy" book. In other words, no sin. Therefore, it's -impossible- to live as you describe. God says so. You just go on telling yourself that you've got the One True Faith. Nothing I can say is going to change your mind. Do you -really- believe that no other religion teaches morality comparable to yours? Don't answer; I already know what you're going to say. By the way...ever read up on Bhuddists? |
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"Honus" wrote in message news:VnVSd.54651$uc.2122@trnddc04... "Brian Oakley" wrote in message ... "Honus" wrote in message news:H4TSd.54284$uc.1254@trnddc04... "Al Patrick" wrote in message ... Copied from page 241 of the New Testament of a 1963 edition of Dake's Annotated Reference Bible. As far as I know ALL his Bible's are King James Only. [ALL TYPOS ARE MINE ALONE! I think I'll copyright them!] :-) [Where he underlined for emphasis I'll use upper case.] =========== A Tribute to the Bible The Bible is not an amulet, a charm, a fetish, or a book that will work wonders by its very presence. IT IS a book that will work wonders in every life, here and hereafter, if acted upon and obeyed in faith and sincerity. IT IS God's inspired revelation of the origin and destiny of all things, written in the most simple human language possible so that the most unlearned can understand and obey its teachings. IT IS self-interpreting and covers every subject of human knowledge and need now and forever. That means absolutely nothing, and the same claims could be made by any other holy book. And written in the most simple human language possible? What hyperbole! It was written in an inferior language, plain and simple. Having a word for "sphere" or "globe", etc. for example would have made the whole is the Earth round or flat debate moot. I won't even go near the "almah" means young lady vs. virgin debate. And as for understanding and obeying its teachings, yeah...right. that's why they're more subsets of Christianity than you can name. I have to disagree. Gosh. I didn't see -that- coming. The Koran cant work wonders as it teaches its followers to kill all infidels. Of course, you can find -millions- of Muslims that say that it doesn't. Well regardless of what they say, thats what it says. Ive read it. And of course, Christians have been killing infidels since Day ****ing One. You dont know your history. Christians have NOT killed unbelievers. The political leaders of the Church may have, but just because someone is a leader doesnt mean they know Christ. And saying that the Koran can't work wonders is extraordinarily ignorant. Only wonders it works is to lead people astray and cause them to hate those who are not muslim. IIRC it's the fastest growing religion in if not the US then the world. Sure it is! Its an easy religion for a sinner to follow! You can hate anyone thats not of your thinking! Are these people converting because they're craven evil *******s that want to fill their lives with sin? See above. Or is it more likely that they're experienceing the change that you think only comes with Christianity? You know...the one that you're so smugly dismissing? Love is not part of Islam. Not even love for their own family. If a family member converts to Christianity, they are in absolute danger of being killed by their own family members. As for language, simple means simple, doesn't mean it translates exactly the way you want it to in whatever language you choose. The point is that God could have either selected a better language or made Hebrew more suitable for his purpose. God selected the Hebrew people. If you read the Bible it tells you why. As for their language, I dont believe they had any problems with it. As for the "almah" "debate", the writers of the Septuagint clearly understood the meaning of the Hebrew and translated it with the Greek word for "virgin". That argument is pretty much closed. Wrong. Do some research. I would advise asking Jews what the words mean. It's their language, after all. But you might not like the answer. The Jews that wrote the Septuigint knew what it meant. And they were closer in time to the actually hebrew manuscripts they used to write it. THEY would be the authority of what it means. Not some Jew off the street today. The average Jew here doesnt even speak Hebrew as fluently as they speak english. They dont know ancient Hebrew. That language has changed over they years. There are words in the Bible that they dont even know the definations for. How are they going to translate something they werent even close to? The authority is with the Septuigint. As for "subsets" of Christianity, more properly called denominations, that has nothing to do with disobeying the Bible at all. It has to do with interpretation. Which wouldn't be an issue if God had "either selected a better language or made Hebrew more suitable for his purpose." I don't need your help...really. Have you ever thought about maybe God WANTING there to be different denominations? I guess not. Different verses can be understood in different ways. Sometimes our lack of ability to clearly translate an ancient language into our own lends itself to such differences of interpretation. The prayer of Jabez comes to mind. See above. For you to dismiss the Bible as a mere book just indicates that you don't realize how it has changed peoples lives. You don't know me or my background. Do a little research before you make an ass of yourself. Ad Hominem again. Did you get a good grade in debate school? Oh NO, thats right, you didnt go! If everyone lived by the teachings of Jesus, there would be no hate, no selfishness, no lust, no murder, no theft. You cant say that about any other "holy" book. In other words, no sin. Therefore, it's -impossible- to live as you describe. God says so. That is in contrast with other books. Again you are missing the point or trying to twist the point. Stay on topic. I know how ADD can be though. You just go on telling yourself that you've got the One True Faith. Nothing I can say is going to change your mind. Do you -really- believe that no other religion teaches morality comparable to yours? Don't answer; I already know what you're going to say. By the way...ever read up on Bhuddists? Buddha is dead. In the grave. He was a mere man. With lots of faults. B |
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You dont know your history. Christians have NOT killed unbelievers. The
political leaders of the Church may have, but just because someone is a leader doesnt mean they know Christ. Sure it is! Its an easy religion for a sinner to follow! You can hate anyone thats not of your thinking! Once again, written by the same person in the same post. Do you suppose he doesn't get the irony of these two statements together? Darned good thing it has so much to do with shortwave, or else I'd think it was just loony talk. |
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"Brian Oakley" wrote in message ... "Honus" wrote in message news:VnVSd.54651$uc.2122@trnddc04... "Brian Oakley" wrote in message snip The Koran cant work wonders as it teaches its followers to kill all infidels. Of course, you can find -millions- of Muslims that say that it doesn't. Well regardless of what they say, thats what it says. Ive read it. I find that highly unlikey. It's rare enough to encounter a Christian that's read the Bible cover to cover, much less one that's gone on to peruse other holy books. That's a good way to let a demon in. No, I'm guessing that you've read -portions- of the book. And as someone else has pointed out, they were taken out of context. Besides, just like the Bible I imagine you can twist the Koran around to make it mean whatever one desires. And of course, Christians have been killing infidels since Day ****ing One. You dont know your history. Christians have NOT killed unbelievers. The political leaders of the Church may have, but just because someone is a leader doesnt mean they know Christ. You know, for a guy who prides himself on his deabting skills and his ability to argue for the faith, you sure walk into a bunch of left hooks. If you're really interesting in learning something, look up the no true Scotsman fallacy. It not only applies here, IIRC it was made to describe this situation. And of course, guys that snipe abortion doctors aren't Christians either, I suppose. Or do you want to change your statement to say that Christians have never -murdered- nonbelievers? Since of course killing an abortion doctor and or their staff isn't murder. And who doesn't know their history? And saying that the Koran can't work wonders is extraordinarily ignorant. Only wonders it works is to lead people astray and cause them to hate those who are not muslim. IIRC it's the fastest growing religion in if not the US then the world. Sure it is! Its an easy religion for a sinner to follow! You can hate anyone thats not of your thinking! First of all, there's no shortage of Christians who hate people that aren't of their thinking. I'll bet you're one of them, and I'll bet I'm the target of some of that off-line derision and ire. Do you love me, as Jesus said you should? Not bloody likely. (Don't worry; I'm not losing sleep.) Besides, there are Christians that claim that's not what Jesus commanded. (Oh, wait. They're not True Christians, are they? See how it works?) Secondly, it's seems kind of silly that someone who wants free reign to sin would join up with any religion at all. You're twisting things around. It's the common misconception of atheism that you're describing, not other religions. Are these people converting because they're craven evil *******s that want to fill their lives with sin? See above. No, -you- see above. Or is it more likely that they're experienceing the change that you think only comes with Christianity? You know...the one that you're so smugly dismissing? Love is not part of Islam. Not even love for their own family. If a family member converts to Christianity, they are in absolute danger of being killed by their own family members. That sounds downright Biblical to me. I wonder why? I don't know, the words "Old Testament" keep popping up in my mind. As for language, simple means simple, doesn't mean it translates exactly the way you want it to in whatever language you choose. The point is that God could have either selected a better language or made Hebrew more suitable for his purpose. God selected the Hebrew people. If you read the Bible it tells you why. As for their language, I dont believe they had any problems with it. I know why. What's more, I'm betting I know the -real- story behind it all, bearing in mind that I don't believe in Jehovah. As for their language, no, I don't imagine they had too many problems with it either. It's later generations that are having the difficulties. As for the "almah" "debate", the writers of the Septuagint clearly understood the meaning of the Hebrew and translated it with the Greek word for "virgin". That argument is pretty much closed. Wrong. Do some research. I would advise asking Jews what the words mean. It's their language, after all. But you might not like the answer. The Jews that wrote the Septuigint knew what it meant. And they were closer in time to the actually hebrew manuscripts they used to write it. THEY would be the authority of what it means. Not some Jew off the street today. The average Jew here doesnt even speak Hebrew as fluently as they speak english. They dont know ancient Hebrew. That would be a miscommunication of my part. I didn't mean a Jew off of the street; I guessed wrong when I figured you knew what I meant. And I'm betting you still haven't checked out what "the other side" has to say about this particular issue. As for "subsets" of Christianity, more properly called denominations, that has nothing to do with disobeying the Bible at all. It has to do with interpretation. Which wouldn't be an issue if God had "either selected a better language or made Hebrew more suitable for his purpose." I don't need your help...really. Have you ever thought about maybe God WANTING there to be different denominations? I guess not. Sure I have. Have -you- considered that if god wasn't real and that the bible was written by men, then we would have the religious fracturing that we do? Different verses can be understood in different ways. Sometimes our lack of ability to clearly translate an ancient language into our own lends itself to such differences of interpretation. The prayer of Jabez comes to mind. See above. For you to dismiss the Bible as a mere book just indicates that you don't realize how it has changed peoples lives. You don't know me or my background. Do a little research before you make an ass of yourself. Ad Hominem again. Did you get a good grade in debate school? Oh NO, thats right, you didnt go! How do you know? And if that was ad hominem on my part, so was your crack about me not attending debate school. Hypocrite. If everyone lived by the teachings of Jesus, there would be no hate, no selfishness, no lust, no murder, no theft. You cant say that about any other "holy" book. In other words, no sin. Therefore, it's -impossible- to live as you describe. God says so. That is in contrast with other books. Again you are missing the point or trying to twist the point. Stay on topic. I know how ADD can be though. Personal experience? You have my sympathy. You also have my scorn for criticizing what you view as ad hominem on my part, and then doing it yourself. As far as your statement, it doesn't parse. If every one live by Buddhist teachings, there'd be no hate, no selfishness, no lust, no murder, no theft. If you had a point, you didn't make it well. Christians don't have the corner on the morality market. The sanctimony market, perhaps. In this country, certainly. You just go on telling yourself that you've got the One True Faith. Nothing I can say is going to change your mind. Do you -really- believe that no other religion teaches morality comparable to yours? Don't answer; I already know what you're going to say. By the way...ever read up on Bhuddists? Buddha is dead. In the grave. He was a mere man. With lots of faults. "Again you are missing the point or trying to twist the point." Sound familiar? The point was, as I said above, you don't have the market on morality. I'd follow a dead mortal with his admitted faults long before I'd follow someone who made the supernatural claims that Jesus did. And I hate to break this to you, but Jesus is dead too. |
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Brian Oakley wrote: "Honus" wrote in message news:H4TSd.54284$uc.1254@trnddc04... "Al Patrick" wrote in message ... Copied from page 241 of the New Testament of a 1963 edition of Dake's Annotated Reference Bible. As far as I know ALL his Bible's are King James Only. [ALL TYPOS ARE MINE ALONE! I think I'll copyright them!] :-) [Where he underlined for emphasis I'll use upper case.] =========== A Tribute to the Bible The Bible is not an amulet, a charm, a fetish, or a book that will work wonders by its very presence. IT IS a book that will work wonders in every life, here and hereafter, if acted upon and obeyed in faith and sincerity. IT IS God's inspired revelation of the origin and destiny of all things, written in the most simple human language possible so that the most unlearned can understand and obey its teachings. IT IS self-interpreting and covers every subject of human knowledge and need now and forever. That means absolutely nothing, and the same claims could be made by any other holy book. And written in the most simple human language possible? What hyperbole! It was written in an inferior language, plain and simple. Having a word for "sphere" or "globe", etc. for example would have made the whole is the Earth round or flat debate moot. I won't even go near the "almah" means young lady vs. virgin debate. And as for understanding and obeying its teachings, yeah...right. that's why they're more subsets of Christianity than you can name. I have to disagree. The Koran cant work wonders as it teaches its followers to kill all infidels. As for language, simple means simple, doesn't mean it So does the Old Testament if you read the right parts selectively. The problem is fundies, /literalists and people that have an agenda and are using a holy book to justify their ends. A pox on them. The popularly quoted phrase from the Koran that says "kill all the infidels" is taken out of context. The rest of the paragraph says "unless they leave us alone". Nothing wring with that. Read the writings of Karen Armstrong http://www.islamfortoday.com/karenarmstrong.htm and Bernard Lewis http://www.arab2.com/biography/bernard-lewis.htm translates exactly the way you want it to in whatever language you choose. As for the "almah" "debate", the writers of the Septuagint clearly understood the meaning of the Hebrew and translated it with the Greek word for "virgin". That argument is pretty much closed. As for "subsets" of Christianity, more properly called denominations, that has nothing to do with disobeying the Bible at all. It has to do with interpretation. Different verses can be understood in different ways. Sometimes our lack of ability to clearly translate an ancient language into our own lends itself to such differences of interpretation. The prayer of Jabez comes to mind. For you to dismiss the Bible as a mere book just indicates that you don't realize how it has changed peoples lives. If everyone lived by the teachings of Jesus, there would be no hate, no selfishness, no lust, no murder, no theft. You cant say that about any other "holy" book. B -- a d y k e s @ p a n i x . c o m Don't blame me. I voted for Gore. |
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