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All I got in boot camp was a Marksman medal hanging on a couple of
little bitty chain thingys.(I once asked a DI at boot camp,Fort Gordon,Georgia,is that good.He said it's an AC medal,Ass Chewing) That morning at Fall Out! at Tan Son Nhut,I got a Ribbon medal,Vietnam Conflict thingy to wear on my lean mean fighting machine chest.I think I wore it once or twice.It looks like a Turkey Buzzard took a crap on it,come to think of it,it looked like that when that Officer was handing them out to us that morning just before we headed on over to wait on that U.S.Air Force Airplane to bring us to the land of the big PX.Oh well,it was a page in my past.I would do it all over again too. cuhulin |
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kerry "awarded" himself a bunch of them medals,didn't he?
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Perscom clerk? 99 and 44 percent of them clerks,I had no idea (nor did I
even care) of what they do.Everytime,I was more interested in getting on out of them offices.S2 knew me very well though.1963,Scott Air Force Base,Illinois,Chevrolet Peligruso Caliente. cuhulin |
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-=jd=- wrote: On Sat 30 Jul 2005 08:14:43a, "Doug Reese" wrote in message oups.com: -=jd=- wrote: On Wed 27 Jul 2005 07:16:15a, dxAce wrote in message : Doug Reese wrote: -=jd=- wrote: On Tue 26 Jul 2005 09:06:21a, "Doug Reese" wrote in message oups.com: dxAce wrote: Doug Reese wrote: dxAce wrote: David wrote: On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 18:40:39 -0500, "Brian Hill" wrote: Democrats are pussies! They don't know how fight. B.H. Senator John Kerry, Lt., U.S. Navy 1966-70; Silver Star, Bronze Star with Combat V, and three awards of the Purple Heart for his service in combat (1) Faked! And he still owes us not only service time but also jail time! Faked? Yes. Which ones? Apparently several of them!! And you would know that . . how? By paying attention to detail. Good, then if you've paid attention, please do better than "several of them". Which ones? And while you're at it, what about them was "faked"? I look forward to your reply. Something you yourself have apparently failed to do. Boy, you got me there. I guess I'll have to wait for your detailed reply, with which you will really put me in my place. That Silver Star with "V" reeks of some shenanigans... No it doesn't. Asd I mentioned in an earlier reply, he wasn't awarded a Silver Star with "V". That's just what a clerk incorrectly typed up on his DD-214. The award, and the citation, have no "V". Even without the "V" it still reeks of shenanigans... as do most of his medals. And Kerry DID have that DD-214 up on his website with NO explanation about the "V". Why? Because he thought we were all suckers, that's why. Guess what? We're not all suckers, and John 'Fraud' Kerry, thankfully, went down in defeat. Get over it, 'tard boy. dxAce Michigan USA Furthermore, the shenanigans that immediately come to mind is a semi- knowledgeable John Kerry typing up his own award paperwork, not realizing that the Silver-Star does not accommodate the "V" device. Sorry, but that's not the way it works, nor is it the way it worked in this instance. Other than Kerry, no-one knows how it worked in that particular incidence. Let me be specific. The actual medal/ribbon didn't have a "V". The actual citation does not have a "V". The ONLY thing that has a "V" on it is his DD-214. I did not say anything else had the "V". I was speaking to the context of your post, which referenced the DD214. OK then. Are you saying Kerry typed up his own DD-214? I don't believe you are. People wanted to see Kerry's records. He posted many of them, including his DD-214. It had an error -- the "V" -- so what? Mine has the wrong birthdate. So what? This was so blatantly off-base as far as the Swift Boat Veterans for "truth" were concerned, that they didn't bother to comment when this hit the "news". He was put in for the award by Admiral Zumwalt. Are you asserting that Adm Zumwalt prepared the paperwork himself? He may have formally signed it and sent it up the chain, but the question remains, who prepared that particular OPNAV 1650/3? Apparently, only John F. Kerry knows for sure. Ahh, here's where we may have a problem/misunderstanding. It was NOT sent up the chain. It was issued by Zumwalt's office. And this is apparently the reason for it being too long, and containing somewhat less flowery language than most such citations. An assumption on my part -- The person who prepared the citation usually didn't do that sort of thing. Up until just before that incident, a SS had to be approved by the SECNAV. That rule was changed, allowing people like Zumwalt to quickly issue these "impact awards". As I think you know, the incident happened Feb 28, 1969. The medal was awarded something like March 6. Then there are three citations, all made at demonstrably different times and by different parties, for the award. I know. And each of these two subsequent citations are shorter and contain less detail than the original. They also contain language which is not true. This language is found nowhere else -- not in the after-action reports, nor is it something that anyone present has claimed. ("intense automatic weapons fire", and "numerically superior enemy force") "...Although Citation 2 also is undated, we can still ascertain when it was issued. Kerry's first citation was for action on February 28, 1969, so Citation 2 had to be issued some time after that, but probably not immediately. Citation 2 was signed by Admiral John J. Hyland, as Commander in Chief of the Pacific Fleet, who no longer served in that capacity after December 5, 1970. Thus, Kerry's second citation had to have been issued some time between February 29, 1969 (following Citation 1) and December 5, 1970 (when Hyland was no longer CINCPAC). Significantly, Kerry left Vietnam in "early 1969" (his website's timeline) and was separated from service on March 1, 1970. This means that it is likely Citation 2 was issued some time in the almost two years after his departure from Vietnam but before late 1970-when he was back in the United States..." "...Citation 3, like Citations 1 and 2, is undated. But, again, we can narrow the time frame, since it was signed by John Lehman as Secretary of the Navy. Lehman served from February1981 to April 1987-long after Kerry left Vietnam, long after he was separated from service, and during Kerry's tenure as a United States Senator..." What little I know about this is that sometime back in the mid-80's, Kerry requested a copy of his citation. Then we have SECNAV Lehman saying this about where Kerry's SS Citation came from: "It is a total mystery to me. I never saw it. I never signed it. I never approved it. And the additional language it contains was not written by me." Of course he didn't write it. Why would he? Don't they have clerks for that sort of thing? (Serious question, as you seem to know more about the process than I). {http://www.papillonsartpalace.com/johkpn.htm} There's no question that the incident, as Kerry described in the after-action report, happened. It is the same as those who were there that day described. Oh my word! In addition to the obvious questions raised by the snips above, there are plenty of other questions that are begged. I'm not quite sure what you mean. I'm saying that for the SS incident, the after-action report, the original citation, and what those of us there that day have said happened . . . pretty much match. Then it was (figuratively) rubber-stamped through the pipeline. If that was the actual case, and it appears it very well could be, then that could explain how/why your "Brain-Dead-Clerk" simply shrugged and just typed whatever was on the award paperwork. That is more plausible than believing that a PERSCOM clerk, presumably processing hundreds, if not thousands of awards during that time-frame, all of a sudden decided to arbitrarily add the "V" device to a Silver-Star. It was NOT an awards clerk, but a clerk who types/processes DD-214s. Doug Who said it was an awards clerk (other than yourself)? I said it was a PERSCOM clerk. You *DO* know what a PERSCOM clerk does, don't you? No, I don't know. Perhaps I never knew. Why would I know, or for that matter, care? I am simply saying that the person who typed uphis DD-214 made a mistake. Doug -=jd=- -- My Current Disposable Email: (Remove YOUR HAT to reply directly) |
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Doug Reese wrote: -=jd=- wrote: On Sat 30 Jul 2005 08:14:43a, "Doug Reese" wrote in message oups.com: -=jd=- wrote: On Wed 27 Jul 2005 07:16:15a, dxAce wrote in message : Doug Reese wrote: -=jd=- wrote: On Tue 26 Jul 2005 09:06:21a, "Doug Reese" wrote in message oups.com: dxAce wrote: Doug Reese wrote: dxAce wrote: David wrote: On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 18:40:39 -0500, "Brian Hill" wrote: Democrats are pussies! They don't know how fight. B.H. Senator John Kerry, Lt., U.S. Navy 1966-70; Silver Star, Bronze Star with Combat V, and three awards of the Purple Heart for his service in combat (1) Faked! And he still owes us not only service time but also jail time! Faked? Yes. Which ones? Apparently several of them!! And you would know that . . how? By paying attention to detail. Good, then if you've paid attention, please do better than "several of them". Which ones? And while you're at it, what about them was "faked"? I look forward to your reply. Something you yourself have apparently failed to do. Boy, you got me there. I guess I'll have to wait for your detailed reply, with which you will really put me in my place. That Silver Star with "V" reeks of some shenanigans... No it doesn't. Asd I mentioned in an earlier reply, he wasn't awarded a Silver Star with "V". That's just what a clerk incorrectly typed up on his DD-214. The award, and the citation, have no "V". Even without the "V" it still reeks of shenanigans... as do most of his medals. And Kerry DID have that DD-214 up on his website with NO explanation about the "V". Why? Because he thought we were all suckers, that's why. Guess what? We're not all suckers, and John 'Fraud' Kerry, thankfully, went down in defeat. Get over it, 'tard boy. dxAce Michigan USA Furthermore, the shenanigans that immediately come to mind is a semi- knowledgeable John Kerry typing up his own award paperwork, not realizing that the Silver-Star does not accommodate the "V" device. Sorry, but that's not the way it works, nor is it the way it worked in this instance. Other than Kerry, no-one knows how it worked in that particular incidence. Let me be specific. The actual medal/ribbon didn't have a "V". The actual citation does not have a "V". The ONLY thing that has a "V" on it is his DD-214. I did not say anything else had the "V". I was speaking to the context of your post, which referenced the DD214. OK then. Are you saying Kerry typed up his own DD-214? I don't believe you are. People wanted to see Kerry's records. He posted many of them, including his DD-214. It had an error -- the "V" -- so what? Mine has the wrong birthdate. So what? This was so blatantly off-base as far as the Swift Boat Veterans for "truth" were concerned, that they didn't bother to comment when this hit the "news". He was put in for the award by Admiral Zumwalt. Are you asserting that Adm Zumwalt prepared the paperwork himself? He may have formally signed it and sent it up the chain, but the question remains, who prepared that particular OPNAV 1650/3? Apparently, only John F. Kerry knows for sure. Ahh, here's where we may have a problem/misunderstanding. It was NOT sent up the chain. It was issued by Zumwalt's office. And this is apparently the reason for it being too long, and containing somewhat less flowery language than most such citations. An assumption on my part -- The person who prepared the citation usually didn't do that sort of thing. Up until just before that incident, a SS had to be approved by the SECNAV. That rule was changed, allowing people like Zumwalt to quickly issue these "impact awards". As I think you know, the incident happened Feb 28, 1969. The medal was awarded something like March 6. Then there are three citations, all made at demonstrably different times and by different parties, for the award. I know. And each of these two subsequent citations are shorter and contain less detail than the original. They also contain language which is not true. This language is found nowhere else -- not in the after-action reports, nor is it something that anyone present has claimed. ("intense automatic weapons fire", and "numerically superior enemy force") http://idexer.com/articles/kerry_medals.htm |
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Doug,lets see you go post that in alt.military.police
cuhulin |
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I got "wounded" all the time when I was in Vietnam in 1964.Minor scrapes
and scratches and splinters,handling them wooden ammo boxes and small caliber ammo on up to the rockets we put in the Helicopter's Rocket Launchers.Hey,where is my Purple Heart for that? And I caught the crabs off a Vietnamese woman too,that ought to be worth something.Nawww,skip it,I don't want any Medals for that.I got a Commendation thingy in my Army Records when we hauled some ammo to Ben Hoa on some trucks after they got mortared by the Vietcong. cuhulin |
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You're feeling in a "crabby" mood. Been out catching parasites again?
JB wrote: Doug,lets see you go post that in alt.military.police cuhulin |
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Yeah John,you know how it T'IS.When you get the crabs off of some
woman,they call you Crabby Daddy for a day or two.I went to the Medic,he gave a little bitty brown paper baggy that had something in it that looked like the powder you sprinkle on a new born baby's A...He said,Ryan, (because Ryan is me last name,one of them four letter words www.ryans.org) take a shower and dry off and sprinkle this powder around on there.I did that and the next morning,them crabs were deader than a doornail.I took me another shower that morning and did it again just to make sure. cuhulin,AKA Crabby Daddy Ryan |
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