David Eduardo wrote:
"Frank Dresser" wrote in message
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So, please reassure us. Tell us Bob Struble was misquoted by the New York
Times. Tell us analog radio will remain for HD radio receivers to be
compatible with.

I took the context of the post I replied to te be "today" and not 12 years
in the future. By tha6t time, most of today's analog receivers will be gone,
irrespective of the nature of broadcasting over a decade from now.
Just saying HD radio is currently compatible with analog doesn't really
address the point, does it?

Sure it does. How many electronic devices that are 12 years old are
currently being used in the average household? R-390's don't count, btw.




Except for the DVD players, all my TV/Video gear. With the exception
of the XM receiver, the Fanfare tuners, and my studio gear, all my audio
hardware. The microwave is an AMANA commercial unit that I bought in
'86. The radio in my office is Proton 300 I bought in the early 90's
and my clock radio is a Proton 320 from '88.

You don't want to know about what's in my radio room.

Quite a bit of the electronics in my house is 12+ and counting. And
of the people I know, I'm the radical one whose stuff is 'all new.'


There's a bit more out there than Marketing would have you believe.

On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 15:44:16 GMT, "David Eduardo"
wrote:


Satellite has run commercials since its offset on the talk channels, and XM
started with commercials on all music channels but took them off. Neither
believes more than 5% of revenues will ever come from advertising.


Not true. XM has always had some commercial-free music channels.

On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 16:18:47 GMT, "David Eduardo"
wrote:


"David" wrote in message
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On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 15:41:58 GMT, "David Eduardo"
wrote:



No, the HD-2 channels are separate.


OK, Mr. Smarty Pants Communist; what's on KROQ's second HD channel?

I have no idea. It was active when I scanned last week, but I am in Chicago
and my HD radio is in LA.



It's the regular stream, delayed about 5 seconds. A friend of mine
who's a junior executive at CBS says that's the official SOP until
some kind of agreement with Clear Channel kicks in.

On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 16:22:21 GMT, "David Eduardo"
wrote:


"David" wrote in message
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On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 15:41:58 GMT, "David Eduardo"
wrote:



No, the HD-2 channels are separate.


OK, Mr. Smarty Pants Communist; what's on KROQ's second HD channel?

Infinity HD 2 channels
Los Angeles:

Adult Hits KCBS HD2 "Variety Top 40"

Talk KLSX HD2 "Female Talk"

Alternative KROQ HD2 "Xtreme Active Rock"

Oldies KRTH HD2 "50s/60s Oldies"

Smooth Jazz KTWV HD2 "Classic Jazz"



Clear Channel

Los Angeles:

Hot AC KBIG HD2 "Disco"

Urban AC KHHT HD2 "Jammin Oldies with Hispanic Skew"

Top 40 KIIS HD2 "Kisspanic/Hispanic KISS"

AC KOST HD2 "Lite Classics (Madonna to Sinatra)"

Modern AC KYSR HD2 "All 80s/80s Hits"

These multicasts are launching on MONDAY (1/23).



Emmis has Power Dos on 1|05.9 and alternative on KZLA.



That makes 12.


KMZT is running KKGO/X-Bach (or whatever 1260/540 is called this week
on their HD2)

In article ,
"Frank Dresser" wrote:

"David Eduardo" wrote in message
. com...

wrote in message
...
Suppose all the radio stations switch to iboc = In Behest Of
Commie,fed fascist govt.What happens to our Analog radios then?
Way I see it,concerning In Behest Of Commie,fed fascist govt =
iboc,there will be a lot of fed govt Commies making a lot of
money.

HD, like FM stereo, is backwards compatible. You hear an analog
signal on current radios, and it detects and switches to the HD
signal on an HD
radio.



"Even Mr. Struble of iBiquity put the most optimistic date for an
analog shutdown as 12 years from now, though he thought that was
unlikely."

By the way I read this, Bob Struble, President, CEO and Chairman of
iBiquity Digital Corporation, is anticipating an analog shutdown
sometime after 2018.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/28/technology/circuits/28basics.html?ei=5090&en=d7749d9c2348d999&ex=12802 03200&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss&pagewanted=print

So, please reassure us. Tell us Bob Struble was misquoted by the New
York Times. Tell us analog radio will remain for HD radio receivers
to be compatible with.

Just saying HD radio is currently compatible with analog doesn't
really address the point, does it?

The situation would be much better if the band was split up between
analog and digital.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

I can pick up at least nine FM radio stations in the day time and eight
AM radio stations in the day time in the Jackson metro area.A few years
ago,Betsy Myers (of nbc or whichever commie crooked fed govt Ministry Of
Propaganda network she works for) phoned me.I dont know why though,as
soon as I said,Who is this? and she said her name,I slammed my phone
down so hard you could hear it from here to Anchorage,Alaska.Once in a
great lonnnngggg while I will forget to unplug my phone when I get
through using it,and "she!" sneaks in on my phone!,it made me Sick!
Those kind of "people" take whatever you tell them and they twist it
around to fit their commie twisted agenda.I know how they work.
cuhulin

"David" wrote in message
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On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 15:44:16 GMT, "David Eduardo"
wrote:


Satellite has run commercials since its offset on the talk channels, and
XM
started with commercials on all music channels but took them off. Neither
believes more than 5% of revenues will ever come from advertising.


Not true. XM has always had some commercial-free music channels.

Wrong. When the sytem launched, all music channels had 6 minutes of "ad
quota" which was not used because nobody wanted to advertise on satellite
int he first few years. Later, when Sirius made inroads and started
promoting commercial free music channels, XM killed the commercial
opportunities on their music channels to be equal to Sirius.

From the start, I was programming 5 of the music channels, and two years and
a couple of months later the commercial avails were eliminated.

"David" wrote in message
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On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 16:18:47 GMT, "David Eduardo"
wrote:


"David" wrote in message
. ..
On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 15:41:58 GMT, "David Eduardo"
wrote:



No, the HD-2 channels are separate.


OK, Mr. Smarty Pants Communist; what's on KROQ's second HD channel?

I have no idea. It was active when I scanned last week, but I am in
Chicago
and my HD radio is in LA.



It's the regular stream, delayed about 5 seconds. A friend of mine
who's a junior executive at CBS says that's the official SOP until
some kind of agreement with Clear Channel kicks in.

That is HD-1. All HD main channels repeat the analog channel with a delay
that fills a digital buffer for fallback. The HD-2 channels are as listed.
And they are on, for Emmis, Clear and CBS. There is no "agreement" with CBS
and Clear as that would be collusion.

David Eduardo wrote:
"Eric F. Richards" wrote...
clifto wrote:
Eric F. Richards wrote:
Do you think that terrestrial radio will have more listeners hearing
those ads, or fewer, in 10 years? Do you think the so-called HD/IBOC
(which is neither HD, nor in-band) will improve the situation or not?

PMFJI, but I believe that even the satellite radio services (XM and
Sirius) will be broadcasting commercials within a year or three, in
addition to charging subscription fees.

I agree completely. The commercial-free aspect of them is a
short-lived hook.

Actually, XM took commercials off the music channels two years after
start-up. I know; I programmed 5 of the channels.

And they observed that people weren't paying for commercials, so
they shut them down until the market penetration is high enough
to support them.

It'll grow gradually, like TV advertising did. In the early years
I was shocked the first time a station had the nerve to play TWO
COMMERCIALS IN A ROW! Nowadays, ten in a row isn't uncommon.

Figure in 2007 many stations will play three commercials per hour,
and it'll gradually ramp up from there to about half the level
found on broadcast radio now. (Just a few minutes ago, I turned
on the radio and counted twelve one-minute commercials in a row
on one station; don't know how many preceded my tuning in.)

--
All relevant people are pertinent.
All rude people are impertinent.
Therefore, no rude people are relevant.
-- Solomon W. Golomb

On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 21:41:49 GMT, "David Eduardo"
wrote:


"David" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 15:44:16 GMT, "David Eduardo"
wrote:


Satellite has run commercials since its offset on the talk channels, and
XM
started with commercials on all music channels but took them off. Neither
believes more than 5% of revenues will ever come from advertising.


Not true. XM has always had some commercial-free music channels.

Wrong. When the sytem launched, all music channels had 6 minutes of "ad
quota" which was not used because nobody wanted to advertise on satellite
int he first few years. Later, when Sirius made inroads and started
promoting commercial free music channels, XM killed the commercial
opportunities on their music channels to be equal to Sirius.

From the start, I was programming 5 of the music channels, and two years and
a couple of months later the commercial avails were eliminated.

That's bogus. Ask Abrams.