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January 26th 07, 12:25 AM
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Cecil Moore wrote:
wrote: The dollar is an arbitrary unit so why strive for accuracy in your paycheck? How much did an ounce of gold cost in dollars one year after the first super nova? That is the point that you are missing. But, I know you are just playing word games here. Nope, you completely missed the point. Our seconds are just as arbitrary as our dollars. Our dollars didn't exist one year after the first super nova and neither did our seconds. How many times have I said standards are arbitrary, Cecil? That the standards are arbitrary is irrelevant. That the human defined unit of time called the second didn't exist before humans defined it is irrelevant. Time existed before humans and will continue to exist after humans are long gone. There is no such thing as a quanta of time. The human defined unit of time called the second is simply a way to measure time. The universe existed for a very long time before humans came along and defined a unit of time called the second and put a number related to those units on it's age. -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply. |
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January 26th 07, 12:42 AM
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The human defined unit of time called the second is simply a way to measure time. The universe doesn't age one second with each passing second of subjective-arbitrary Earth time so what good is any estimate of the age of the universe? A scientist living somewhere else in the universe will get an entirely different result. One of the cornerstones of science is that if the results are not reproducible everywhere at every time then they are invalid. -- 73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com |
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January 26th 07, 01:15 AM
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Cecil Moore wrote:
wrote: The human defined unit of time called the second is simply a way to measure time. The universe doesn't age one second with each passing second of subjective-arbitrary Earth time so what good is any estimate of the age of the universe? A scientist living somewhere else in the universe will get an entirely different result. One of the cornerstones of science is that if the results are not reproducible everywhere at every time then they are invalid. Nonsense. The universe most certainly does age one second with each passing second within the frame of reference where the second was defined. If a scientist living somewhere else in the universe uses the same frame of reference, he will get the same result. If he uses a different frame of reference, he will get a different result which can be converted to our frame of reference and the result will be the same. GPS satellites are in a different frame of reference but manage to provide results that agree with our frame of reference. What I really don't understand is why understanding frames of reference is so difficult for many evidently otherwise intelligent people. -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply. |
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January 26th 07, 01:32 AM
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January 26th 07, 02:25 AM
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John Smith I wrote:
wrote: ... What I really don't understand is why understanding frames of reference is so difficult for many evidently otherwise intelligent people. Garbage in, garbage out ... A frame of reference which is in error is subject to that rule ... end of story. Babbling word salad. Then again, there are those without a snowball's chance in hell of ever understanding what frame of reference means. -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply. |
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January 26th 07, 02:29 AM
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January 26th 07, 03:05 AM
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John Smith I wrote:
wrote: ... ever understanding what frame of reference means. Nope, sounds like my goldfish in the bowl would satisfy some here ... Sounds like you either need more education or less alcohol/drugs. Maybe both. -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply. |
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January 26th 07, 04:26 AM
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The universe most certainly does age one second with each passing second within the frame of reference where the second was defined. *Only* within the frame of reference where the second was defined which didn't exist for the first 2/3 of the history of the universe. What I really don't understand is why understanding frames of reference is so difficult for many evidently otherwise intelligent people. My point exactly! -- 73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com |
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January 26th 07, 05:25 AM
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Cecil Moore wrote:
wrote: The universe most certainly does age one second with each passing second within the frame of reference where the second was defined. *Only* within the frame of reference where the second was defined which didn't exist for the first 2/3 of the history of the universe. Babble. The universe has aged one second with each passing second within the frame of reference where the second is defined whether or not there was anyone around to define a second and will continue to age at that rate in that frame whether or not there is anyone around who could take notice of the fact. And since the frame of reference is a defined thing and not a physical reality, it doesn't matter if the Earth continues to exist or not either. You seem to have a lot of difficulty with this concept. What I really don't understand is why understanding frames of reference is so difficult for many evidently otherwise intelligent people. My point exactly! So your are saying you don't understand what a frame of reference is? It is getting kind of obvious. -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply. |
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