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"Reg Edwards" wrote The USA has wide variations in climate and tree population. Thoughtful citizens ought to concentrate their minds on hurricanes, twisters, atmospheric pollution and gun laws. 100-watt transmitters and G5RV's can look after themselves. ;o) --- Reg. I assure you we are concentrating very carfefully, Reg! Last week we had about 20,000 gun laws on the books, counting all federal and state laws. This weekend we have one less federal gun law, and soon there may be less. When free people use their minds instead of letting foolish emotions be their guide, the concept of restricting firearms from law abiding citizens is one of the first things to go. Btw, so far my dipole hasn't set the pine trees on fire, or been torn down by a hurricane, despite three attempts by them so far this year ;-) 73, Jack |
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On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 15:01:15 -0400, "Jack Painter"
wrote: When free people use their minds instead of letting foolish emotions be their guide, the concept of restricting firearms from law abiding citizens is one of the first things to go. Hi Jack, The D.C. sniper (a known non-law abider) got his firearm from non-law abiding citizens out the back door of a local gun-shop here. Foolish emotions had nothing to do with their inability to account for several hundred missing guns they just shrugged off as bookkeeping discrepancies. Clearly they had more guns than necessary to stay profitable. Imagine how long your supermarket would stay in business at that kind of employee pilfering rate. Now, if we bring the foolish emotion issue into it, then Mr. John Allen Muhammad, clearly an emotional person, could now simply walk up to the counter and get more bang for his buck. And if denied, I suppose he would have had to pay more at the back door. James D. Martin, James Buchanan, Kumar Walekar, Sarah Ramos, Lori Ann Lewis-Rivera, Pascal Charlot, Woman shot, wounded, 13-year-old boy wounded, Dean Harold Myers, Kenneth H. Bridges, Linda Franklin, 37-year-old man shot, Conrad Johnson, killed or wounded between October 2 and October 22. Another foolish, emotional personality that appeared before committees to argue that we retain the prohibition against assault rifles was Reagan's Press Officer James Brady. One may say he is emotional simply because he survived being shot (the alternative is being un-emotionally dead). Well, let's just mark it up to the dispassionate tenor of the Republican Guard who have over the years jettisoned Reagan's mandates as easily as they shrugged off the prohibition against assault weapons. The Republican Guard has even offered laws to reduce the liability of the local gun shop and emotional others like them that whine they are too hard pressed by rational laws to balance their books or lock their back doors. The example of the Russian school debacle where the collapse of rational law has seen plenty of assault weapons were available makes the Columbine massacre seem like a Saturday afternoon picnic. "In countries like the Untied States, it's perfectly legal for members of the public to own certain types of firearms. If you live in such a country obtain an assault rifle legally, preferably an AK-47 or variations" -- Al Qaeda training manual the Ossama seal of approval to our nation's administration 73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC |
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Richard Clark wrote:
The D.C. sniper (a known non-law abider) got his firearm from non-law abiding citizens out the back door of a local gun-shop here. Exactly! If one advocates disarming *law-abiding citizens*, one is siding with the *non-law abiders*. Advocating disarming non-law abiders by creating laws that are only obeyed by law- abiding citizens is ridiculous. We might as well create a law making it illegal for hurricanes to hit Florida. Hitler, Mao, and Stalin all supported strict gun control laws. If one likes gun control laws, some of the most severe will be found in Castro's Cuba at the present time. So Richard, if you don't like the second amendment and want to feel really safe, simply move to Cuba. :-) -- 73, Cecil, W5DXP -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
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On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 16:05:07 -0500, Cecil Moore
wrote: Hitler, Mao, and Stalin all supported strict gun control laws. Bush, Arrafat, the Columbian Drug Lords and Ossama do not. |
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Richard Clark wrote:
Cecil Moore wrote: Hitler, Mao, and Stalin all supported strict gun control laws. Bush, Arrafat, the Columbian Drug Lords and Ossama do not. Richard, if your wife/mother/sister/daughter were being raped and you could stop it with a gun, what would you do? Lay down the gun and initiate touchy-feely negotiations with the rapist? -- 73, Cecil, W5DXP -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
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On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 18:27:10 -0500, Cecil Moore
wrote: what would you do? You still lamenting about Dukakis losing in '98? |
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Richard Clark wrote:
Cecil Moore wrote: what would you do? You still lamenting about Dukakis losing in '98? Worse than that. I'm lamenting about every Libertarian presidential candidate losing every single year. How are your non-weapon negotiations coming with that 250 pound guy in the process of raping your daughter? -- 73, Cecil, W5DXP -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
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"Richard Clark" wrote "Jack Painter" wrote: When free people use their minds instead of letting foolish emotions be their guide, the concept of restricting firearms from law abiding citizens is one of the first things to go. Hi Jack, The D.C. sniper (a known non-law abider) got his firearm from non-law abiding citizens out the back door of a local gun-shop here. Foolish emotions had nothing to do with their inability to account for several hundred missing guns they just shrugged off as bookkeeping discrepancies. Clearly they had more guns than necessary to stay profitable. Imagine how long your supermarket would stay in business at that kind of employee pilfering rate. Hi Richard, what's your point here, that more gun laws would deter crime against gun stores? Not! Stolen guns don't react to laws making them illegal in the first place, and neither do criminals who can smuggle tens of millions of pounds of contraband and aliens int the country every year have any problem, now or ever, obtaining firearms. Same of course goes for the Ur-a-Peon's who have successfully disarmed their sniveling subjects as the rate of violent crimes against them skyrockets. More police-state control, such as you called "rational law" must be required for them, since disarming the law abiders did not stop the crime waves. Now, if we bring the foolish emotion issue into it, then Mr. John Allen Muhammad, clearly an emotional person, could now simply walk up to the counter and get more bang for his buck. And if denied, I suppose he would have had to pay more at the back door. You don't know anyone or any store that makes such illegal sales in your city, and neither does the BATF, who harass gun store owners about their bookeeping more than the NRC watches hopsitals to keep track of their dangerous radioactive materials. /snip Another foolish, emotional personality that appeared before committees to argue that we retain the prohibition against assault rifles was Reagan's Press Officer James Brady. One may say he is emotional simply because he survived being shot (the alternative is being un-emotionally dead). There is more emotion than you will hopefully ever know, than if the life of a loved one was taken because they were too timid, (too emotionally irrational) or too restricted in the ability to protect themselves from a common or uncommon criminal, who uses firearms as a tool of their trade, irrespective of any gun law ever enacted now or in the future. Don't confuse free speech of Jim Brady with our right to prevent getting shot in the head ourselves. All the cops and secret service carrying automatic weapons and trained to spot and actually prevent such attack from succeeding failed. How in God's name do you think anyone could be protected? Maybe your Ted Kennedy who's armed bodyguards surround the scotch-reeking murderer 24-7 as he lobbys for the disarmament of all law abiding citizens? Well, let's just mark it up to the dispassionate tenor of the Republican Guard who have over the years jettisoned Reagan's mandates as easily as they shrugged off the prohibition against assault weapons. The Republican Guard has even offered laws to reduce the liability of the local gun shop and emotional others like them that whine they are too hard pressed by rational laws to balance their books or lock their back doors. The example of the Russian school debacle where the collapse of rational law has seen plenty of assault weapons were available makes the Columbine massacre seem like a Saturday afternoon picnic. The collapse of rational law? My friend, you mistake the iron fist of martial law and governmental murder by edict that ruled the Soviet Union for rational law? The world is at war (or will come to that relaization as they die in sufficient mass numbers) against the nation of islam, who is sworn to a new level of their timeless hatred for all things rational and peaceful. What happened in Russia is an act of that war, and does not reduce to technical descriptions of the tools used to carry out the attack. In two recent school shootings in America, it was a teacher in one case and a student in another that ran to their cars, and retrieved legally owned firearms that enabed them to stop the killings and subdue the attacker! No police force, not even the iron fist of the former iron curtain could *ever* respond to a crazy person trying to commit mass murder faster than an armed citizenry can. Count your blessings that you have always lived in such an armed and peaceful citizenry, with citizens who will step up to the plate to defend your miserable and pathetic existance that relies on the bravery and good citizenry that you lack, and would save you from the attack you spend your life trying to prevent them from being able to do for you or their loved ones. Just don't call yourself a citizen, not in my Country. "In countries like the Untied States, it's perfectly legal for members of the public to own certain types of firearms. If you live in such a country obtain an assault rifle legally, preferably an AK-47 or variations" -- Al Qaeda training manual the Ossama seal of approval to our nation's administration That's really sad, and I liked you a lot more when I thought you could keep such drivel from a good argument. Surely you don't believe that Al Queda pretended to be planning anything now or later, that would rely on compliance with laws to accomplish. I am offended by your comment that our government approves of Bin Laden in any way, or does anything to make it easier for him to murder Americans. It offends the sensibilities of all humans in fact. 73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC Try to pay attention to who the enemy is Richard. It is not lawful American firearm owners who would gladly add you to the list of terrorist organizations if you persist in subverting the rights both enumerated and not enumerated by the Constitution. That you may continue to live as a free man while actively subverting our Constitution is a priviledge that I wish you did not have, but hopefully you are educable before your old age renders that possibility moot. Jack Painter |
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On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 17:53:24 -0400, "Jack Painter"
wrote: You don't know anyone or any store that makes such illegal sales in your city, and neither does the BATF Hi Jack, It is already been LONG documented: " Bushmaster Firearms Inc. of Maine will pay $550,000, all of which is covered by its insurance policy. And Bull's Eye Shooter Supply, in Tacoma, will pay $2 million, the largest settlement of its kind by a gun dealer, the Brady Center said." I would pause to add that the "Brady" of the Brady Center has already been dissed by the Republican Right Whiners. Clearly they would prefer that Bull's Eye paid nothing and perhaps give Bushmaster a rebate. And if Brady hadn't taken a bullet for Reagan, what kind of spin would they have to offer? A marksmanship medal for Hinkley? "Federal agents traced the weapon used in a number of the shootings, a .223-caliber XM 14 Bushmaster rifle, back to Bull's Eye." The linkage was proven through target practice shells obtained at the sniper's former address - HERE locally. "The shop had problems for several years. Records show that Bull's Eye could not account for the sales of 238 weapons" "Its security was so abysmal that it appears that a 17-year-old, Malvo, was able to stroll into the store and stroll out holding a 3-foot-long assault rifle," Lowy said. "And Bull's Eye didn't even know the gun was missing until the police called several weeks later to tell them it was found in the trunk of the snipers' car." Copyright © 2004 The Seattle Times Company Let's see, you cannot catch a kid walking out with a 3 foot assault rifle every day of the week for a year (we will skip holidays and weekends when they are more diligent). Yeah, right, that's how it happened! Shoplifters every day for a year and no one notices it at the till, or in the records, or in the stock room. Clearly a society of profitable retards if we are to believe that. If Safeway did business like that, they would fold in a week. 73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC |
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"Richard Clark" wrote "Jack Painter" wrote: You don't know anyone or any store that makes such illegal sales in your city, and neither does the BATF Hi Jack, It is already been LONG documented: " Bushmaster Firearms Inc. of Maine will pay $550,000, all of which is covered by its insurance policy. And Bull's Eye Shooter Supply, in Tacoma, will pay $2 million, the largest settlement of its kind by a gun dealer, the Brady Center said." Hi Richard, this is exactly why there must be a stop brought to the assanine litigious fervor that ambulance chasing loafs like John Edwards bring against this country's honest businesses every day. Bushmaster's insurance paid that token of "shut-up idiot and go away" ransom, not Bushmaster. If left to Bushmaster, it would have gone to a very expensive trial and in the end, like every other case in history (except one communist judge in NY) it would have been dismissed. Does the Brady center tell you that? Look it up before you listen to any more of that dribble that an intelligent and worldy man such as your self has no business falling for. Which is again, why we must make the law read that *losers* in assanine cases like that pay *all* the legal bills. Either that or else ban lawsuits against gunmakers. You pursue these unconstitutional bans against guns and gun owners, well then we'll ban your lawsuits. Have it you way, you're going to make enemies of yourselves either way and the rest of us will go on with our lives. Even defending yours. /dribble snipped/ "The shop had problems for several years. Records show that Bull's Eye could not account for the sales of 238 weapons" "Its security was so abysmal that it appears that a 17-year-old, Malvo, was able to stroll into the store and stroll out holding a 3-foot-long assault rifle," Lowy said. "And Bull's Eye didn't even know the gun was missing until the police called several weeks later to tell them it was found in the trunk of the snipers' car." Copyright © 2004 The Seattle Times Company Gee what kind of idiots do you grow in Seattle? It's liberal-land for crying out loud, don't any of you folks obey the law? We take gun shop owners to jail for less than that in the East, and ruin their lives for trying to make an honest living most of the time. 73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC 73, Jack |
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