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"Landshark" wrote in message
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You forgot all the rest Leland..................

Who cares? I already know about it. So some bad Hams get busted proves
the
system works. For the big mouthed CBers claiming the FCC doesn't do
anything
looks like they're dead wrong.
--
Leland C. Scott
KC8LDO

Who cares Leland? I know that Cb'rs get busted. So a few Cb'rs get
busted out of tens of thousands,

Specifically they were truckers. If you investigate further you will
discover that in the union contracts the drivers are allowed to use CB
radios only. No export radios, no modified CBs etc. That was mention
specifically when UPS drivers were caught. Not only are the drivers at risk
from being fired the companies they work for face stiff fines for allowing
the violations to occur. The companies are responsible for making sure their
employees don't violate the law. If I had a driver that cost me $7,500 to
$10,000 in fines I'd fire them. There are plenty of hungry unemployed truck
drivers out there who are more than willing to follow the law.

it just shows that Hams are just as bad, don't follow the rules any
better.

The point for a long time big by mouthed CBer have claimed that incurions in
to the Ham 10m band was a minor deal and the FCC wasn't going to do anything
about it. Both claims are wrong. Having a few Hams contacted by the FCC for
Part 97 violations does not change the fact that there are millions of
CBers, there are only 650K to 750K Hams, operating illegally.

I wonder if the FCC knows about Doug's felony conviction? From
what I read, he could have his license revoked. Maybe someone
should forward those court papers along with the posts offering a
modified cb for sale, throw in a few of his colorful posts for a
little icing.

I'll bet they won't do a thing. In fact somebody mostly alread has and
nothing has happed.

Since you seem to like posting these things, why don't you do
your duty and turn Doug in for his crimes?

I don't turn in CBers either, I just like posting the news, so fair is fair.

Come on Lee, you are
so gung ho to post this drivel here to start flames.

It takes two. If you just ignored it then there wouldn't be a problem. But
you can't leave it alone. You're attracted to it like a moth to a bug
zapper.

Do your Ham duty
and turn Doug in for his crimes to his family and the ham community
for selling modified cb's.

Hams can sell all the modified equipment we want per Part 97, go look it up.

LOL!!!

Yeah, lot of laughs on this side because your trying to argue a point while
being totally ignorant of the rules. It would be different if you knew what
you were talking about. But that's been the case with most of the illegal
CBers on this group, big mouth and no facts.
--
Leland C. Scott
KC8LDO

Wireless Network
Mobile computing
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Landshark


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That does suck..sometimes you're the
windshield..sometimes you're the bug.

From: (Leland=A0C.=A0Scott)
"Landshark" wrote in message
. com...
"Leland C. Scott" wrote in message
...
"Landshark" wrote in message
news You forgot all the rest Leland..................

Who cares? I already know about it. So some

bad Hams get busted proves the system

works. For the big mouthed CBers claiming

the FCC doesn't do anything looks like they're

dead wrong.
--
Leland C. Scott


KC8LDO
=A0

The only one "dead" wrong is you. No one in this group claims the lies
you attribute them.

_
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0Who cares Leland? I know
that Cb'rs get busted. So a few Cb'rs get busted out of tens of
thousands,

Specifically they were truckers. If you

investigate further you will discover that in the

union contracts the drivers are allowed to use

CB radios only.



Bull****. No such wording in trucker's union contracts. Such rules are
completely voluntary and enacted by the trucking companies. In fact, the
last mandate issued to the trucking industry regarding federal rules
relates to the carrying of firearms.
Lie upon lie upon lie is all KC8LDO can offer.


No export radios, no modified CBs etc. That

was mention specifically when UPS drivers

were caught.


It was mentioned when ANY company was notifed of drivers doing such.
UPS enacted their own rule. No union enacted such bull**** as you
misattribute (read: LIE).



Not only are the drivers at risk from being

fired the companies they work for face stiff

fines for allowing the violations to occur.




Very rarely, if at all, and most certainly not for first offenses, only
repeat violations after every opportunity is presented to correct the
problem,.....something that pains you to the point of howling because
you are no longer permitted to get away with breaking the law like you
prefer and do.
And many driver's are owner ops, absolving the companies of any and all
guilt.



The companies are responsible for making

sure their employees don't violate the law.


Owner ops are not employees.


If I had a driver that cost me $7,500 to

$10,000 in fines I'd fire them.



No worry there, as Mopar illustrated, you'll never have much of
anything.


There are plenty of hungry unemployed truck

drivers out there who are more than willing to

follow the law.

(it just shows that Hams are just as bad, don't
follow the rules any better)




Yep,,,and KC8LDO and his ilk epitomize such an example,,,it's widely
known across the hammie spectrum.



The point for a long time big by mouthed CBer
have claimed that incurions in to the Ham 10m
band was a minor deal and the FCC wasn't

going to do anything about it. Both claims are

wrong.





But of course, such claims were not made by anyone on this group, only
lies by yourself *claiming* such were made, giving you an
ever-collapsing soap box.



Having a few Hams contacted by the FCC for

Part 97 violations does not change the fact

that there are millions of CBers, there are only
650K to 750K Hams, operating illegally.






(=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0I wonder if the FCC knows about Doug's felony
conviction? From what I read, he could have his license revoked. Maybe
someone should forward those court papers along with the posts offering
a modified cb for sale, throw in a few of his colorful posts for a
little icing. )


I'll bet they won't do a thing.



You also "bet" he was innocent, defended his felonious behavior, and
threatened this group with him flooding us again. As I said, you are the
epitome of what is wrong with hammie radio, a real cancer to those
hammies that actually have the good of the hobby as their interest.


In fact somebody mostly alread has and

nothing has happed.
=A0


(=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0Since you seem to like posting these things, why
don't you do your duty and turn Doug in for his crimes?)


I don't turn in CBers either, I just like posting

the news, so fair is fair.


Your "news" is selective to serve your agenda.


(Come on Lee, you are
so gung ho to post this drivel here to start flames.)


It takes two.


Perhaps it does, but the fecal matter somehow ALWAYS originates with
yourself and our few fanny pinchers of Doug, Davie-son, Frank, and
Geogre.


If you just ignored it then there wouldn't be a

problem. But you can't leave it alone. You're

attracted to it like a moth to a bug zapper.


More like a fertilizing expert to bull****.



(Do your Ham duty
and turn Doug in for his crimes to his family and the ham community for
selling modified cb's.)

Hams can sell all the modified equipment we

want per Part 97, go look it up.

=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0LOL!!!



Your ignorance. Many of these hammies are also cbers who don't post
their call and besides,you are hard pressed to find ANY hammies at all
that would include you in a sentence utilizing the term "we"....as you
are an exile, an oddity to be reviled among the hammie community. You
are pointed to as a prime example when one needs illustrate a lid.



Yeah, lot of laughs on this side because your

trying to argue a point while being totally

ignorant of the rules.



You're the ignorantly presenting bull**** and claiming it is part of
drivers union contracts. It is you that is highly ignorant of what you
profess.


It would be different if you knew what you

were talking about. But that's been the case

with most of the illegal CBers on this group,

big mouth and no facts.



That reflection and projection of yourself has grown ten-fold since your
self-esteem has been raped and pillaged, in additio to your infamous
reputation as a stained hammie that encompasses al that is wrong with
hammie radio.
--
Leland C. Scott (failed code test twice)

KC8LDO

ARRL Member

"Twistedhed" wrote in message
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Bull****. No such wording in trucker's union contracts. Such rules are
completely voluntary and enacted by the trucking companies.

No export radios, no modified CBs etc. That

was mention specifically when UPS drivers

were caught.

Spread your cheeks wide Twirt and prepare to take it like a man. And I'll
bet you'll even like it too.

Quoted from full text article following this.

"UPS Attorney Daniel N. Tenfelde last week assured Hollingsworth that his
company was taking its Warning Notice seriously and has launched a full
investigation.
"We discovered that some employees had obtained CB radios that contained a
mechanism allowing them to switch frequencies into the 10-meter Amateur
Radio band," he said in a January 28 letter. "It is not UPS policy to allow
equipment such as this to be used in our vehicles." He said UPS' contract
with the Teamsters Union allows only for CB radios. Tenfelde said UPS is
working with its transportation and labor groups to let drivers know that
such unlicensed operation violates both UPS policy and FCC regulations."

As you can CLEARLY READ it says UPS' contract with the Teamsters Union
allows only for CB radios.

Twirt you lie to cover the truth, but its out there and there is NOTHING you
can do to stop people from finding it!!

http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2004/02/02/101/?nc=1

____________________

FCC Goes After Alleged 10-Meter Scofflaws
NEWINGTON, CT, Feb 2, 2004--The FCC is working on at least two fronts to
eliminate unlicensed operation from the 10-meter band. Earlier this month,
FCC Special Counsel Riley Hollingsworth sent warning notices to two shipping
companies regarding reports to the Commission that some of the companies'
vehicles may be the source of illegal radio transmissions on the amateur
band. One of the companies, UPS, has offered its full cooperation.

"Many truckers use CB radio, which does not require a license,"
Hollingsworth pointed out in letters earlier this month to UPS offices in
Ohio and Indiana and to R&L Transfer Inc of Ohio. "However, any person using
a radio transmitter on the Amateur Radio bands must possess a station and
operator license." Hollingsworth asked the over-the-road shippers to advise
their drivers that such radio operation could subject them to heavy fines
and seizure of their radio equipment.

UPS Attorney Daniel N. Tenfelde last week assured Hollingsworth that his
company was taking its Warning Notice seriously and has launched a full
investigation.

"We discovered that some employees had obtained CB radios that contained a
mechanism allowing them to switch frequencies into the 10-meter Amateur
Radio band," he said in a January 28 letter. "It is not UPS policy to allow
equipment such as this to be used in our vehicles." He said UPS' contract
with the Teamsters Union allows only for CB radios. Tenfelde said UPS is
working with its transportation and labor groups to let drivers know that
such unlicensed operation violates both UPS policy and FCC regulations.

In a parallel development, the FCC issued a Citation to Jonathan Edward
Stone, doing business as Omnitronics/Pacetronics for alleged violation of
§302(b) of the Communications Act and §2.803(a)(1) of the Commission's
rules.

An investigation by the FCC's Dallas field office led the Commission to
allege that Omnitronics/Pacetronics was offering more than two dozen
uncertificated "Citizens Band" transceivers via its Web site. The FCC says
Omnitronics/Pacetronics was marketing the units as Amateur Radio equipment,
which does not require FCC certification (formerly known as "type
acceptance"), and a check of the company's Web site generally confirmed that
assertion.

"The Commission has evaluated radio frequency devices similar to those
listed and concluded that the devices at issue are not only amateur radios
but can easily be altered for use as Citizens Band devices as well," said
the FCC Citation from FCC Dallas District Director James D. Wells. The FCC
said it concluded that the devices fall within the definition of CB
transmitters and therefore "cannot legally be imported or marketed in the
United States." That would include so-called "export" models, the Citation
said, pointing to a 2000 revision of §2.1204(a)(5) of its rules.

Citing §95.655(a) of the FCC's rules, Wells noted that "dual-use CB and
Amateur Radio of the kind at issue here may not be certificated under the
Commission's rules." He said the clarification was added to Part 95--which
governs the Citizens Band--"to explicitly foreclose the possibility of
certification of dual-use CB and amateur radios and thereby deter use by CB
operators of frequencies allocated for Amateur Radio use."

The FCC Citation also warned Unitronics/Pacetronics regarding the
requirement of FCC certification of external RF amplifiers or amplifier kits
capable of operating below 144 MHz as well as the prohibition against
marketing RF amplifiers or amplifier kits capable of operating between 24
and 35 MHz.

Most of the transceivers in question carry brand names unfamiliar within the
amateur community--such as Connex, Galaxy, General and Superstar. Radios
being marketed as amateur gear are shown on the Unitronics/Pacetronics Web
site displaying 27.185 MHz on the dial--CB channel 19. Some of the purported
amateur transceivers have only a channel readout display, not a frequency
display, and only operate on AM or FM modes. For an additional charge,
Omnitronics/Pacetronics offers such accessories as roger beeps, "turbo echo"
and what it calls "basic" and "professional" alignment.

The only recognized amateur manufacturer on the list in the FCC's Citation
is Ranger. The FCC Citation singled out the Ranger models RCI-2950DX--a
10-meter transceiver--and RCI-2970DX--a dual-band 10/12-meter unit. Both are
shown on the Omnitronics/Pacetronics Web site displaying 27.185 MHz, and the
ad copy notes, "you can use this radio in the roughest environments. (Yes,
even a Mack.)"

The February QST 1992 review of the Ranger RCI-2950 made note of its CB
heritage and features--such as a "roger beep" and a public-address speaker
jack. The ARRL Lab said it may be possible to modify the '2950 for operation
outside the amateur bands. The RCI-2970DX was reviewed in QST for October
2001. The ARRL Lab said that using then-available information, it was unable
to modify the '2970DX it tested for operation on non-amateur frequencies.

Omnitronics/Pacetronics is not related to Omnitronics, LLC, the Ohio company
that manufactures Astatic microphones--including the D-104--and other
microphones, some used for mobile CB applications.


----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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--
Leland C. Scott
KC8LDO

Wireless Network
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on the go brought
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From: (Leland=A0C.=A0Scott)
"Twistedhed" wrote in message
...
Bull****. No such wording in trucker's union contracts. Such rules are
completely voluntary and enacted by the trucking companies.

No export radios, no modified CBs etc. That


was mention specifically when UPS drivers


were caught.


Spread your cheeks wide Twirt and prepare to
take it like a man. And I'll bet you'll even like it

too.



Homsexual connotations by KC8LDO noted.

Quoted from full text article following this.

"UPS Attorney Daniel N. Tenfelde last week

assured Hollingsworth that his company was

taking its Warning Notice seriously and has

launched a full investigation.



No one took issue with your claim that UPS had such a policy. Your
communication deficit is acting up and on display for all to enjoy.

"We discovered that some employees had

obtained CB radios that contained a

mechanism allowing them to switch

frequencies into the 10-meter Amateur Radio

band," he said in a January 28 letter. "It is not

UPS policy to allow equipment such as this to

be used in our vehicles." He said UPS'

contract with the Teamsters Union allows only

for CB radios.






Correct.."UPS" contract,,,NOT the Teamster's CONTRACT. Your
communication deficit is responsible for your flawed interpretation of
such. If you didn;t suffer so massively, you wouldn;t have made such a
mistake.


Tenfelde said UPS is working with its

transportation and labor groups to let drivers

know that such unlicensed operation violates

both UPS policy and FCC regulations."

As you can CLEARLY READ it says UPS'

contract with the Teamsters Union


allows only for CB radios.




Again, it is UPS contract, NOT the Teamsters contract.
KC8LDO you lie to cover the truth, but its out there and there is
NOTHING you can do to stop people from realizing it !! Here it is
again, claiming it is the UPS contract, NOT the Teamster's contract. UPS
is but one of a handful of companies enacting such policies.



http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2004/02/02/101/?nc=3D


Now, stop your lying KC8LDO, and learn from your mistakes, child.

"Leland C. Scott" wrote in message
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"Landshark" wrote in message
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"Leland C. Scott" wrote in message
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"Landshark" wrote in message
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You forgot all the rest Leland..................

Who cares? I already know about it. So some bad Hams get busted proves
the
system works. For the big mouthed CBers claiming the FCC doesn't do
anything
looks like they're dead wrong.
--
Leland C. Scott
KC8LDO

Who cares Leland? I know that Cb'rs get busted. So a few Cb'rs
get
busted out of tens of thousands,

Specifically they were truckers. If you investigate further you will
discover that in the union contracts the drivers are allowed to use CB
radios only. No export radios, no modified CBs etc. That was mention
specifically when UPS drivers were caught.

OMG, now you seem to know what the union contracts say for
OK City. Ok & Lithonia Ga? LMAO!!!! Now who's the ignorant one
.................... ROTFLMFAO!!!! Oh Leland, quit now while your
behind.....

Not only are the drivers at risk
from being fired the companies they work for face stiff fines for allowing
the violations to occur. The companies are responsible for making sure
their
employees don't violate the law. If I had a driver that cost me $7,500 to
$10,000 in fines I'd fire them. There are plenty of hungry unemployed
truck
drivers out there who are more than willing to follow the law.


Agreed, but you still haven't proved that the drivers were even
reprimanded, let alone fired. You have some sort of crystal ball
into those companies, to see what happens internally? Yeah right!

and the FCC wasn't going to do anything
about it. Both claims are wrong. Having a few Hams contacted by the FCC
Part 97 violations does not change the fact that there are millions of
CBers, there are only 650K to 750K Hams, operating illegally.

I wonder if the FCC knows about Doug's felony conviction? From
what I read, he could have his license revoked. Maybe someone
should forward those court papers along with the posts offering a
modified cb for sale, throw in a few of his colorful posts for a
little icing.

I'll bet they won't do a thing. In fact somebody mostly alread has and
nothing has happed.

Since you seem to like posting these things, why don't you do
your duty and turn Doug in for his crimes?

I don't turn in CBers either, I just like posting the news, so fair is
fair.

Come on Lee, you are
so gung ho to post this drivel here to start flames.

It takes two. If you just ignored it then there wouldn't be a problem. But
you can't leave it alone. You're attracted to it like a moth to a bug
zapper.

Same to you, you are like a bug, attracted to the headlights................
SQUISH!!!!!!!!!!!! there you are, another causualty on a windshield.


Do your Ham duty
and turn Doug in for his crimes to his family and the ham community
for selling modified cb's.

Hams can sell all the modified equipment we want per Part 97, go look it
up.


Yeah, but he offered the radio, then offered to modify it for extra
freqs for the buyer, no matter who bought it. Defend him all you
want, he's a felon and your defending a felon, a losing proposition
anyway you slice it.
LOL!!!

Yeah, lot of laughs on this side because your trying to argue a point
while
being totally ignorant of the rules. It would be different if you knew
what
you were talking about. But that's been the case with most of the illegal
CBers on this group, big mouth and no facts.


Oh but I do Leland, been there, seen it, done it, you on the other hand
are doing nothing but sinking your own ship. Defending a known felon,
repeater jammer. Talking like you know the union contracts of the
trucking firms from OK City, Ok & Lithonia Ga, when you don't
know squat! Go ahead and email, better yet, call the local union
for both, have them post where it's against union rules to have
anything other than a cb in union trucks..........LMAO!!!!

--
Leland C. Scott
KC8LDO

Wireless Network
Mobile computing
on the go brought
to you by Micro$oft


Landshark


--
That does suck..sometimes you're the
windshield..sometimes you're the bug.

It must when your Leland smashed against the windshield!!!!!!!

Landshark


--
The world is good-natured to people
who are good natured.

No union contracts by the Teamsters address the radios as KC8LDO has
maintained. More lies from KCLDO. All can see how he took a single
company (UPS) and THEIR specific contract and took it to mean the
Teamsters have enacted the contract...such is the price he pays for
suffering such a massive deficit in communications.

"Landshark" wrote:
"Leland C. Scott" wrote in message
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"Landshark" wrote in message
. com...

"Leland C. Scott" wrote in message
...

"Landshark" wrote in message
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You forgot all the rest Leland..................

Who cares? I already know about it. So some bad Hams get busted
proves
the
system works. For the big mouthed CBers claiming the FCC
doesn't do
anything
looks like they're dead wrong.
--
Leland C. Scott
KC8LDO

Who cares Leland? I know that Cb'rs get busted. So a few
Cb'rs
get
busted out of tens of thousands,

Specifically they were truckers. If you investigate further you
will
discover that in the union contracts the drivers are allowed to use
CB
radios only. No export radios, no modified CBs etc. That was
mention
specifically when UPS drivers were caught.

OMG, now you seem to know what the union contracts say for
OK City. Ok & Lithonia Ga? LMAO!!!! Now who's the ignorant one
................... ROTFLMFAO!!!! Oh Leland, quit now while your
behind.....

Not only are the drivers at risk
from being fired the companies they work for face stiff fines for
allowing
the violations to occur. The companies are responsible for making
sure
their
employees don't violate the law. If I had a driver that cost me
$7,500
to
$10,000 in fines I'd fire them. There are plenty of hungry
unemployed
truck
drivers out there who are more than willing to follow the law.


Agreed, but you still haven't proved that the drivers were even
reprimanded, let alone fired. You have some sort of crystal ball
into those companies, to see what happens internally? Yeah right!

and the FCC wasn't going to do anything
about it. Both claims are wrong. Having a few Hams contacted by the
FCC
Part 97 violations does not change the fact that there are millions
of
CBers, there are only 650K to 750K Hams, operating illegally.

I wonder if the FCC knows about Doug's felony conviction?
From
what I read, he could have his license revoked. Maybe someone
should forward those court papers along with the posts offering a
modified cb for sale, throw in a few of his colorful posts for a
little icing.

I'll bet they won't do a thing. In fact somebody mostly alread has
and
nothing has happed.

Since you seem to like posting these things, why don't you do
your duty and turn Doug in for his crimes?

I don't turn in CBers either, I just like posting the news, so fair
is
fair.

Come on Lee, you are
so gung ho to post this drivel here to start flames.

Try this go post a bunch of FCC reports of busted hams on a ham group
no one will get mad there wont be any reaction except maybe they will
say that these guys deserve it etc. Now go post a bunch of FCC
reports of CBers being busted in a CB news group. opposite reaction,
there will be lots of crying, flames and discontent, landshark will
attack whoever posted it and moparholic will threaten to beat them up
lol. Give me some insight on why this difference somebody.