On 14 Jan 2005 14:40:43 GMT, Steveo wrote:



I think Mrs. Enzo will get ****ed. Hiding it out in the trees would be great.
Plus I don't know if there are any local ordinances regarding a mast.

Frank presented another problem. The damn Ground hogs, moles, squirrels, will
eat my coax.

Vinnie S.

Vinnie, Frank, pay attention. He is going to do a buried 150 ft coax
run to the tree, right? What's the velocity factor of RG8 or of the
coax he will use? Do the math, how much of his 4w out will reach the
antenna? He claims he isnt gonna keyclown, but I think he's lying.

On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 19:40:56 GMT, wrote:

On 14 Jan 2005 14:40:43 GMT, Steveo wrote:



I think Mrs. Enzo will get ****ed. Hiding it out in the trees would be great.
Plus I don't know if there are any local ordinances regarding a mast.

Frank presented another problem. The damn Ground hogs, moles, squirrels, will
eat my coax.

Vinnie S.

Vinnie, Frank, pay attention. He is going to do a buried 150 ft coax
run to the tree, right? What's the velocity factor of RG8 or of the
coax he will use?

..78 or 78%

Do the math, how much of his 4w out will reach the
antenna?

2.9 watts

On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 20:08:36 GMT, Lancer wrote in
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On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 19:40:56 GMT, wrote:

On 14 Jan 2005 14:40:43 GMT, Steveo wrote:



I think Mrs. Enzo will get ****ed. Hiding it out in the trees would be great.
Plus I don't know if there are any local ordinances regarding a mast.

Frank presented another problem. The damn Ground hogs, moles, squirrels, will
eat my coax.

Vinnie S.

Vinnie, Frank, pay attention. He is going to do a buried 150 ft coax
run to the tree, right? What's the velocity factor of RG8 or of the
coax he will use?

.78 or 78%

Do the math, how much of his 4w out will reach the
antenna?

2.9 watts


150 feet of RG-8 has 1.71 dB loss at 27 MHz, so the power at the other
end would be 2.7 watts. Not enough to quibble about except that line
loss has nothing to do with velocity factor.

On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 19:40:56 GMT, wrote:
Yeah, but it's only a partial crock of ****. The rain gutters or wire or
whatever are only half the dipole so the house wiring will become
the other active half and they will radiate. He grounds his tuner to
a ground rod, but also his coax to the radio will tie him in to the
service ground of the residence.



Why would his coax tie him to the service ground?

Radio antenna connector to radio chassis ground.
Radio chassis ground to radio power plug. Radio power
plug to wall outlet. Wall outlet to service ground.

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On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 19:40:56 GMT, wrote:
Yeah, but it's only a partial crock of ****. The rain gutters or wire or
whatever are only half the dipole so the house wiring will become
the other active half and they will radiate. He grounds his tuner to
a ground rod, but also his coax to the radio will tie him in to the
service ground of the residence.



Why would his coax tie him to the service ground?

Radio antenna connector to radio chassis ground.
Radio chassis ground to radio power plug. Radio power
plug to wall outlet. Wall outlet to service ground.


What if he's using a power supply and mobile radio?

On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 23:29:55 GMT, wrote:

On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 19:40:56 GMT, wrote:
Yeah, but it's only a partial crock of ****. The rain gutters or wire or
whatever are only half the dipole so the house wiring will become
the other active half and they will radiate. He grounds his tuner to
a ground rod, but also his coax to the radio will tie him in to the
service ground of the residence.



Why would his coax tie him to the service ground?

Radio antenna connector to radio chassis ground.
Radio chassis ground to radio power plug. Radio power
plug to wall outlet. Wall outlet to service ground.


Mobile radio with a power supply. Power supply has a transformer, which isolates
it it from direct connection. The PS is an old RS unit which does not have a
ground on it's plug.

So in essence, you're wrong.

Vinnie S.

On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 23:29:55 GMT, wrote:

On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 19:40:56 GMT, wrote:
Yeah, but it's only a partial crock of ****. The rain gutters or wire or
whatever are only half the dipole so the house wiring will become
the other active half and they will radiate. He grounds his tuner to
a ground rod, but also his coax to the radio will tie him in to the
service ground of the residence.



Why would his coax tie him to the service ground?

Radio antenna connector to radio chassis ground.
Radio chassis ground to radio power plug. Radio power
plug to wall outlet. Wall outlet to service ground.


Mobile radio with a power supply. Power supply has a transformer, which isolates
it it from direct connection. The PS is an old RS unit which does not have a
ground on it's plug.

So in essence, you're wrong.

Vinnie S.

sigh. Look at a schematic sometime. The PS transformer ain't isolating
*anything* from ground, dude.

On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 23:52:09 GMT, wrote:

On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 23:29:55 GMT, wrote:

On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 19:40:56 GMT, wrote:
Yeah, but it's only a partial crock of ****. The rain gutters or wire or
whatever are only half the dipole so the house wiring will become
the other active half and they will radiate. He grounds his tuner to
a ground rod, but also his coax to the radio will tie him in to the
service ground of the residence.



Why would his coax tie him to the service ground?

Radio antenna connector to radio chassis ground.
Radio chassis ground to radio power plug. Radio power
plug to wall outlet. Wall outlet to service ground.


Mobile radio with a power supply. Power supply has a transformer, which isolates
it it from direct connection. The PS is an old RS unit which does not have a
ground on it's plug.

So in essence, you're wrong.

Vinnie S.

sigh. Look at a schematic sometime. The PS transformer ain't isolating
*anything* from ground, dude.

Actually, I did that before I posted, to be sure. The transformer is not
connected to ground. I will gladly take a picture and email it to you if you
want. There is no ground plug on the AC plug.

I am not going to get into name calling with you. I will appreciate your help if
you try to help me. But if you want to belittle me, then let the others try and
help me.


Vinnie S.

On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 23:52:09 GMT, wrote:

On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 23:29:55 GMT, wrote:

On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 19:40:56 GMT, wrote:
Yeah, but it's only a partial crock of ****. The rain gutters or wire or
whatever are only half the dipole so the house wiring will become
the other active half and they will radiate. He grounds his tuner to
a ground rod, but also his coax to the radio will tie him in to the
service ground of the residence.



Why would his coax tie him to the service ground?

Radio antenna connector to radio chassis ground.
Radio chassis ground to radio power plug. Radio power
plug to wall outlet. Wall outlet to service ground.


Mobile radio with a power supply. Power supply has a transformer, which isolates
it it from direct connection. The PS is an old RS unit which does not have a
ground on it's plug.

So in essence, you're wrong.

Vinnie S.

sigh. Look at a schematic sometime. The PS transformer ain't isolating
*anything* from ground, dude.

Actually, I did that before I posted, to be sure. The transformer is not
connected to ground. I will gladly take a picture and email it to you if you
want. There is no ground plug on the AC plug.

OK, since your radio is not connected to service ground, stick a fork into
one hole of your wall outlet, the hot side. Hang on and grab your radio
chassis with the other hand. Let me know how it goes.

I am not going to get into name calling with you. I will appreciate your help if
you try to help me. But if you want to belittle me, then let the others try and
help me.

I am trying to save you from wearing size 50 pants, having body odor and
complaining about your medical problems on 75 meters. Just get
a base station cb antenna, plug it in and forget it.

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On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 23:29:55 GMT, wrote:

On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 19:40:56 GMT, wrote:
Yeah, but it's only a partial crock of ****. The rain gutters or wire
or
whatever are only half the dipole so the house wiring will become
the other active half and they will radiate. He grounds his tuner to
a ground rod, but also his coax to the radio will tie him in to the
service ground of the residence.



Why would his coax tie him to the service ground?

Radio antenna connector to radio chassis ground.
Radio chassis ground to radio power plug. Radio power
plug to wall outlet. Wall outlet to service ground.


Mobile radio with a power supply. Power supply has a transformer, which
isolates
it it from direct connection. The PS is an old RS unit which does not
have a
ground on it's plug.

So in essence, you're wrong.

Vinnie S.

sigh. Look at a schematic sometime. The PS transformer ain't isolating
*anything* from ground, dude.



On a 2 wire system, the case has to be isolated. On a 3 wire system, the
case is tied to ground, and not the neutral. Can YOU read a schematic?