Horizontal radials work simply as a ground plane/counterpoise while radials
that are angled down and out at a 45 degree angle combine the benefits of a
counterpoise with a impedance matching network to lower the input impedance
of the antenna to a more friendly 50~ output impedance of the transmission
line......P.S. Hello to those of you that remember me from way back ans as
for the rest of you that have ruined this newsgroup........well, goodbye

--
Mad-Dog

"Vinnie S." wrote in message
news
OK, I purchased the Imax-2000 which is a 5/8 wave antenna. There are 2
options
for a ground plane kit:

1. First is a four fiberglass 6 foot radials, angled down (appears 45
degrees),
as seen he


http://www.durhamradio.com/s/custome...at=1684&page=1


2. This is another kit. It has four aluminum 7 foot radials. This is
horizontal,
and not angeled, as seen he


http://www.majestic-comm.com/product...rsupply/Boomer


Which one would be better?



Vinnie S.

On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 17:15:08 GMT, Lancer wrote:


Why should I be nice? I -was- nice. We have had civil converstations,
and I even gave him enough info to install the antenna in his attic,
which apparently worked quite well. Then he stuck his finger into the
political lion cage and turned into a sniveling crybaby after getting
scratched.

As for being a general-class amateur, there are literally hundreds of
hammie websites that cover nothing but antennas, not to mention the
ARRL manual. If he's so serious about radio, why beg a CB group for
info on how to install a prefab antenna? J.H.F.C, how did he pass the
exam without knowing a few antenna fundamentals? And if part of the
hobby is to learn about radio comm, why ask a CB group for tech info
when there are countless resources available for hams? Isn't anyone
elmering the kid?




I thought your were elmering him Frank?

He really doesn't need one anyway, he buys his antennas. Even
something as simple as a dipole, or sloper...


Do you have a problem with that? Show me the rules on antenna requirements,
please.

Vinnie S.

On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 17:15:08 GMT, Lancer wrote:


Why should I be nice?

That is a impossibility.


I -was- nice. We have had civil converstations,
and I even gave him enough info to install the antenna in his attic,
which apparently worked quite well. Then he stuck his finger into the
political lion cage and turned into a sniveling crybaby after getting
scratched.

I said I liked Reagan. Nothing more. I didn't try to outdo your political
knowledge. In fact, showing the phony you truly are, you complimented me on the
fact I hate Bush Jr. Now I am a sniveling crybaby. How quickly we forget. Dave
was right that once you find out what politcal side of the once someone is on,
is how you treat a person afterwards. Simply because I liked Reagan.

Need I remind you that you changed your ID to avoid my killfile, to get in one
last jab. I ****ed you off so bad, you were practically banging youre head
against a wall.



As for being a general-class amateur, there are literally hundreds of
hammie websites that cover nothing but antennas,

That is about the 3rd time you have cracked on be about being a general. WHy
does that bother you so much?

not to mention the
ARRL manual. If he's so serious about radio, why beg a CB group for
info on how to install a prefab antenna?

Because knowing antenna theory in full, is not a requirement for ham or CB. It's
a good thing you don't make the rules.


J.H.F.C, how did he pass the
exam without knowing a few antenna fundamentals?

Exactly. A few fundementals.


And if part of the
hobby is to learn about radio comm, why ask a CB group for tech info
when there are countless resources available for hams?

Because the Imax, is for my CB, and this is a CB group.


You and Lancer are coming out smelling like roses here. You 2 epitomize this
newsgroup in it's old form. I simply ask a couple questions regarding a ground
plane. Nothing more. There was no politcal tone, not finger pointing, nothing.
You had to come on, and rip me a new asshole. Remember when you asked me why I
didn't take Dave Hall to task for the same reasons, I took you? Well, here it
is. Let everyone see what kind of person.

As far as Lancer, I don't know what is up his ass. I don't know him from a hole
in the wall, but from some reason, he cracks on me like I ****ed his wife or
something. Making comments about how I "think" about installing an antenna, or
cracking because I won't build one from scratch. All because I asked about a
ground plane question in a CB newsgroup.


Keep it up, both of you. Keep it going. Let everyone on this newsgroup see you
for who you truly are.

Frank, while you are at it, get me a beer. And Lancer, I didn't **** your wife,
nor anyone of your family, nor do I know wnyone in your family. So when you want
to tell eveyone here why you hate me so much, please do so. I sure eveyone is
curious.


Vinnie S.

On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 20:14:16 -0400, Vinnie S.
wrote in :

On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 17:15:08 GMT, Lancer wrote:


Why should I be nice? I -was- nice. We have had civil converstations,
and I even gave him enough info to install the antenna in his attic,
which apparently worked quite well. Then he stuck his finger into the
political lion cage and turned into a sniveling crybaby after getting
scratched.

As for being a general-class amateur, there are literally hundreds of
hammie websites that cover nothing but antennas, not to mention the
ARRL manual. If he's so serious about radio, why beg a CB group for
info on how to install a prefab antenna? J.H.F.C, how did he pass the
exam without knowing a few antenna fundamentals? And if part of the
hobby is to learn about radio comm, why ask a CB group for tech info
when there are countless resources available for hams? Isn't anyone
elmering the kid?




I thought your were elmering him Frank?

He really doesn't need one anyway, he buys his antennas. Even
something as simple as a dipole, or sloper...


Do you have a problem with that? Show me the rules on antenna requirements,
please.


Looks like Vinnie is going to be a General-class appliance operator.






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On Tue, 5 Apr 2005 22:33:50 -0700, "Jeff Mayner" wrote:

Vinnie S. wrote:
On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 16:02:50 -0400, wrote:

Any time you add radials, especially the drooping type it will add a
slight amount of gain. The added gain is most likely only a fraction
of what the radial manufacturer will quote. The gain would be in the
order of 1db. Hardly worth the cost and extra wind load.


That is basically what the manufacturer said. They also said it would
have more affect on Receive, than anything else.

Probably not even enough to tell. Not by your ears anyway. I had an Antron
with their stupid gpk-1, or whatever they called it, and I saw no diff at
all. As stated earlier in this thread, I did see a lot more wind load.

Don't do it Vinnie! ;-)

The only reason I might do it, is because it will be much much easier to install
now, than after it's up. I can't do anything until I get that dipole. I don't
feeling like doing to trenches and 2 installs. Might as well do it once.

Vinnie S.

On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 20:32:59 -0400, Vinnie S.
wrote in :

On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 17:15:08 GMT, Lancer wrote:


Why should I be nice?

That is a impossibility.


It's possible as long as you don't throw tantrums.


I -was- nice. We have had civil converstations,
and I even gave him enough info to install the antenna in his attic,
which apparently worked quite well. Then he stuck his finger into the
political lion cage and turned into a sniveling crybaby after getting
scratched.

I said I liked Reagan. Nothing more. I didn't try to outdo your political
knowledge. In fact, showing the phony you truly are, you complimented me on the
fact I hate Bush Jr.


And I even let the subject drop and gave you the last word.


Now I am a sniveling crybaby. How quickly we forget. Dave
was right that once you find out what politcal side of the once someone is on,
is how you treat a person afterwards. Simply because I liked Reagan.


I really don't care if you liked him or not. I liked the guy myself at
the time. He came across as a strong leader. But the more I learned
about him and his secret and illegal antics the more I changed my
perspective.

So I'll explain this once again: I made my comments about Reagan
because I thought you were a reasonable person and maybe didn't know
just how shady his administration really was. Then you threw a fit and
have been whining about it ever since. So what other conclusion can I
draw other than you are not a reasonable person?


Need I remind you that you changed your ID to avoid my killfile, to get in one
last jab. I ****ed you off so bad, you were practically banging youre head
against a wall.


You killfiled me and -still- couldn't resist the urge to complain
about how I desecrated your ignorance. Now you are responding to me
through a piggy-back post. Like I said before, killfiles don't work.


As for being a general-class amateur, there are literally hundreds of
hammie websites that cover nothing but antennas,

That is about the 3rd time you have cracked on be about being a general. WHy
does that bother you so much?


If you read the ARRL manual sometime you might learn that the hobby
comprises a little bit more than hooking up prefab components. But if
you want to waste your money and learn nothing about the hobby then
that's your choice, just like it's your choice to put me in your
killfile (LOL!).


not to mention the
ARRL manual. If he's so serious about radio, why beg a CB group for
info on how to install a prefab antenna?

Because knowing antenna theory in full, is not a requirement for ham or CB. It's
a good thing you don't make the rules.


Who said that you should learn "antenna theory in full"? If you are
going to put up an antenna and don't know if it requires a ground
plane or not, then wouldn't it be a good idea to learn the basics of
how the thing works? .....oh, that's right, you -do- know how an
antenna works because you passed the written for the General.

Silly me.


J.H.F.C, how did he pass the
exam without knowing a few antenna fundamentals?

Exactly. A few fundementals.


Since when did the fundamentals not include the fuction of a ground
plane?


And if part of the
hobby is to learn about radio comm, why ask a CB group for tech info
when there are countless resources available for hams?

Because the Imax, is for my CB, and this is a CB group.


So does that mean a CB antenna operates on different priciples than a
ham antenna?


You and Lancer are coming out smelling like roses here. You 2 epitomize this
newsgroup in it's old form. I simply ask a couple questions regarding a ground
plane. Nothing more. There was no politcal tone, not finger pointing, nothing.
You had to come on, and rip me a new asshole. Remember when you asked me why I
didn't take Dave Hall to task for the same reasons, I took you? Well, here it
is. Let everyone see what kind of person.


Everyone here already knows I'm an asshole. Big deal. But now they
also know that you are a crybaby that can't even use a killfile.


As far as Lancer, I don't know what is up his ass. I don't know him from a hole
in the wall, but from some reason, he cracks on me like I ****ed his wife or
something. Making comments about how I "think" about installing an antenna, or
cracking because I won't build one from scratch. All because I asked about a
ground plane question in a CB newsgroup.


I can't speak for Lancer, but I know there are many people who think
that people should do their -own- homework. It's just plain lazy for
you, a General Class amateur, to hop on a CB group and ask if your
antenna needs a ground plane, especially when you can take five
minutes to learn -by yourself- what they are, what they do, and
whether your antenna needs one or not. Did you even read the
instructions that came with the antenna? Sheesh.


Keep it up, both of you. Keep it going. Let everyone on this newsgroup see you
for who you truly are.


Gladly. They will also see your incessant whining.


Frank, while you are at it, get me a beer. And Lancer, I didn't **** your wife,
nor anyone of your family, nor do I know wnyone in your family. So when you want
to tell eveyone here why you hate me so much, please do so. I sure eveyone is
curious.


Tell ya what, Vinnie: You go read all the posts between us from the
beginning. Then come back and tell me exactly what triggered this
perpetual tantrum you are throwing..... maybe we can resolve this
issue before you take a dive off the deep end.







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On 05 Apr 2005 23:05:36 GMT, Steveo wrote:


I will provide pictures of Ninnies antenna farm, just like steveo does
of Leland and doug's.

Try as hard as you can to be me, but you are still chrissy the sissy
busch.

That ****er would come within 20 miles of my self. He steps foot on my
property, and he is fair game !

Vinnie S.

Forget about it. He's yella!


I figured that. Seems like he's got company in these keyboard chest thumpers.

Vinnie S.

"I AmnotGeorgeBush" wrote in message
...
From: (Landshark)
"Frank Gilliland" wrote in message
news On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 19:20:17 -0500, landsharkdeepthroatsmen
wrote in
:
Frank Gilliland wrote in
:
On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 17:53:15 -0400, Vinnie the Helpless Ham
wrote:
snip
Vinnie's not a bad guy Frank,

So I used to think as well, until he lost personal control.

We all have at one time or another.

You saying he is not a bad guy is akin of me saying the same thing about
Geo regarding his attacks on you,

Maybe, but far cry on accusations twist, so you are comparing
apples with oranges.

the nature of such unprovoked attacks
notwithstanding. Did you miss Vinny
blowing of his top?

Nope, but that was the way he felt. I think it was
a little over board, but nothing that couldn't be overcome

The guy came apart over a typo that had nothing to
do with him

Again, I've seen the same thing from almost everyone here

...perhaps that was his malfunction for the day, but it shows
the guy's true self

I don't think it show his "true self", but does show a flaw
that can't be cured.

and how he was moved by a simple posting of a url.
Maybe if it was you he attacked for no reason other than
incompetence

Maybe, but I have been the target so long, as you, It really doesn't bother
to much anymore.

and inability to control his nasty nature, you would view
things differently, such as you do with Geo.

I suppose if that was the case, but I don't see him chasing
Franks posts, posting false accusation, harassing every
post he makes, big difference.

you two

should talk more radio, you'll probably find a

lot more in common. Now Geo I see is still

obsessed with me and male sex........pretty

sad.


Now,,I invoke to you the same exact reasoning you use for
many of your complaints with Geo

Why would Doug, Geo, Frank (in the past), Dave among
others do the same to you? Because they didn't like you're
ideology? Freebanding? political views? our were they just
plain trolling?
Twist, I'm not going to go around with you on this. I'm
sure just like Mopar & Frank, things got off to a bad start,
hopefully in the future things will be better, though one of
them most likely have to breakdown and bury the hatchet.

,,,,why would one attack another for no reason?

Frank has a very condescending type of tone, but unfortunately
when typing one can't tell the "tone" of the type if they haven't
been around it for a while.


Landshark


--
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On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 15:06:11 -0400, "Mad Dog" wrote:

Horizontal radials work simply as a ground plane/counterpoise while radials
that are angled down and out at a 45 degree angle combine the benefits of a
counterpoise with a impedance matching network to lower the input impedance
of the antenna to a more friendly 50~ output impedance of the transmission
line......P.S. Hello to those of you that remember me from way back ans as
for the rest of you that have ruined this newsgroup........well, goodbye


Thank you and please stay. This newsgroup isn't bad at all with the use of a
killfile.

Vinnie S.

On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 20:32:59 -0400, Vinnie S.
wrote:

On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 17:15:08 GMT, Lancer wrote:

And if part of the
hobby is to learn about radio comm, why ask a CB group for tech info
when there are countless resources available for hams?

Because the Imax, is for my CB, and this is a CB group.

Gee, that's makes good sense to me. I wonder why other people didn't
understand that?

Keep it up, both of you. Keep it going. Let everyone on this newsgroup see you
for who you truly are.

That's true for all of us.


Frank, while you are at it, get me a beer. And Lancer, I didn't **** your wife,
nor anyone of your family, nor do I know wnyone in your family. So when you want
to tell eveyone here why you hate me so much, please do so. I sure eveyone is
curious.


Welcome to the unwashed world of the internet. Since everyone is
comfortable behind their keyboards, there is no incentive for anyone
to be the least bit polite. So for anyone to remain here, you have to
learn to become hardened to that type of behavior. Some people truly
want to exchange ideas. Other people are only interested in "tweaking"
people for the pure entertainment value. I admit that I get a certain
amount of pleasure tweaking Twisty, as his responses are so
predictable.

If I started caring about the people who didn't like me and the
reasons why, I would have left here long ago. I'm especially
suspicious of the motives of people who take deliberate steps to hide
their identity. In many ways, I'm just like Frank. The difference is
that I don't get flippant with other people until they do so to me
first. I give everyone the benefit of the doubt initially. It's hard
to exchange ideas with people if everyone is ****ed off at each other.

Dave
"Sandbagger"
http://home.ptd.net/~n3cvj