On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 15:12:13 -0500, wrote in
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I might get cooties if I deal with you. Buy your own antenna.


That's the plan, tnom -- or couldn't you understand what I wrote?
Here, I lay it out point by point:

1. I buy the antenna.
2. I test the antenna.

Still with me here? Good.....

If the antenna meets or exceeds the performance of a Radio Shack 102"
SS whip then I post the results with an apology, end of story, exit
stage left, case closed.

BUT....

No but.

If the antenna -fails- then you buy the antenna for the price I paid.
Like I said in the other post, I'll even pay shipping. Do want a ham
to monitor the test and provide independent verification of the
results? I'm sure that won't be a problem.

So the -=ONLY=- way my test will cost you ANYTHING is if the antenna
fails to perform according to the results of your test.

No Frank. You fudging the numbers to save face will cost me.


Like I said, you can send a ham, or even a CBer friend, to monitor the
test and provide independent verification. In fact, I would -prefer-
that you send someone to monitor the test so you can't worm your way
out of the deal by claiming the numbers were fudged.


Now is there anything about my proposal that you don't understand?

I understand A L the ramifications of you doing this test. I will take
no financial responsibility from some one I do not trust.


Then contact someone around here that you -do- trust. Or can't you
find anyone that will lie on your behalf to save you a few bucks? How
about I do the test at the next local field day? I'm sure there will
be plenty of hams that would be eager and willing to see the results
of this test. Are you saying that you can't trust a group of hams that
have no other interest than to dispell RF voodoo?


Is there .....ANYONE..... in this newsgroup who doesn't understand
what I just proposed?

They understand that your history is much more problematic than mine,
so if you really want to debunk me then take the bull by the horns and
buy the antennas.


Hmmmm..... I seem to recall that being part of the plan..... let's see
now, where was that listed in the plan.....

1. I buy the antenna.

Yep, that was part of the plan alright.


So what'll it be, tnom? Are you going to back up your test or continue
to play stupid?

I've backed my tests by exposing them to a newsgroup and encouraging
others to do the same test. What have you done? Nothing.


You typed some numbers on a keyboard and CLAIMED to have done a test.
Now you're playing stupid.

I'll go one step further: I'll buy the antenna and do the test, and if
the antenna performs according the results of your alleged test then
I'll send you the antenna for free -- AND $200 to boot. If it fails
then you just buy back the antenna. Is -that- a deal?







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You typed some numbers on a keyboard and CLAIMED to have done a test.
Now you're playing stupid.

I'll go one step further: I'll buy the antenna and do the test, and if
the antenna performs according the results of your alleged test then
I'll send you the antenna for free -- AND $200 to boot. If it fails
then you just buy back the antenna. Is -that- a deal?

You are wasting your time. I want nothing to do with you or your
proposal.

What's the matter? Can't you afford to take a gamble?

On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 15:52:45 -0500, wrote in
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You typed some numbers on a keyboard and CLAIMED to have done a test.
Now you're playing stupid.

I'll go one step further: I'll buy the antenna and do the test, and if
the antenna performs according the results of your alleged test then
I'll send you the antenna for free -- AND $200 to boot. If it fails
then you just buy back the antenna. Is -that- a deal?

You are wasting your time. I want nothing to do with you or your
proposal.

What's the matter? Can't you afford to take a gamble?


There must be something wrong with Usenet..... for some reason I can't
seem to get the message through to tnom that I would be putting up the
antenna -and- $200..... hello?..... testing 1, 2, 3, 4,..... is this
darn thing working?









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You are wasting your time. I want nothing to do with you or your
proposal.

What's the matter? Can't you afford to take a gamble?


There must be something wrong with Usenet..... for some reason I can't
seem to get the message through to tnom that I would be putting up the
antenna -and- $200..... hello?..... testing 1, 2, 3, 4,..... is this
darn thing working?

What doesn't make sense. You putting up $200 for a $50 antenna?

I agree. You don't make sense.

On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 19:01:32 -0500, wrote in
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You are wasting your time. I want nothing to do with you or your
proposal.

What's the matter? Can't you afford to take a gamble?


There must be something wrong with Usenet..... for some reason I can't
seem to get the message through to tnom that I would be putting up the
antenna -and- $200..... hello?..... testing 1, 2, 3, 4,..... is this
darn thing working?

What doesn't make sense. You putting up $200 for a $50 antenna?

I agree. You don't make sense.


What doesn't make sense is you -refusing- $200 and a free antenna. If
your test results are valid then that's what you get. But since I
don't believe you ran a valid test, and you keep pushing people to buy
the antenna and test it for themselves, it only seems right that you
should have some sort of stake in this test. Since the antenna costs
you only pennies then just how much of a risk is it to you, tnom?







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What doesn't make sense is you -refusing- $200 and a free antenna. If
your test results are valid then that's what you get. But since I
don't believe you ran a valid test, and you keep pushing people to buy
the antenna and test it for themselves, it only seems right that you
should have some sort of stake in this test. Since the antenna costs
you only pennies then just how much of a risk is it to you, tnom?

Seeing how my original intention was to show that the X-Terminator
was an under performer * I find it hard to believe that I fudged the
numbers so that the outcome would dispute my own statements of it
being an under performer.

* (You can research my posts on this manner that occurred before I
ever ran the test, don't ask me to do it for you)

On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 21:46:56 -0500, wrote in
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What doesn't make sense is you -refusing- $200 and a free antenna. If
your test results are valid then that's what you get. But since I
don't believe you ran a valid test, and you keep pushing people to buy
the antenna and test it for themselves, it only seems right that you
should have some sort of stake in this test. Since the antenna costs
you only pennies then just how much of a risk is it to you, tnom?

Seeing how my original intention was to show that the X-Terminator
was an under performer * I find it hard to believe that I fudged the
numbers so that the outcome would dispute my own statements of it
being an under performer.

* (You can research my posts on this manner that occurred before I
ever ran the test, don't ask me to do it for you)


I know exactly what you wrote as your intended purpose of the test.
You've said it many, many times, and unlike you, I can read and
understand something the -first- time.

What you -still- can't understand is that I believe your claim (as to
your original intent) to be a lie. Regardless, my intent is to do the
same; if my results are the same as yours, wouldn't that be a huge
endorsement not just for the antenna, but also for your credibility?
If your results were valid then what do you have to lose?







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Just to make it absolutely clear:

- I buy the antenna.

- You can monitor the test yourself, or send as many representatives
as you like -- the more the merrier.

- If the antenna works like you say then you get the antenna, $200, a
public apology, and I'll leave the newsgroup forever.

- If it doesn't then you buy the antenna for "pennies".


Well?









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On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 16:33:38 -0800, Frank Gilliland
wrote:

Just to make it absolutely clear:

- I buy the antenna.

- You can monitor the test yourself, or send as many representatives
as you like -- the more the merrier.

- If the antenna works like you say then you get the antenna, $200, a
public apology, and I'll leave the newsgroup forever.

- If it doesn't then you buy the antenna for "pennies".


Well?

I expect you to do the test without any help from me.

I also expect you to have an independent trusted representative
confirm the validity of the test as YOU suggested.

Anything short of that is worthless as is your offer.

On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 21:17:09 -0500, wrote in
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On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 16:33:38 -0800, Frank Gilliland
wrote:

Just to make it absolutely clear:

- I buy the antenna.

- You can monitor the test yourself, or send as many representatives
as you like -- the more the merrier.

- If the antenna works like you say then you get the antenna, $200, a
public apology, and I'll leave the newsgroup forever.

- If it doesn't then you buy the antenna for "pennies".


Well?

I expect you to do the test without any help from me.

I also expect you to have an independent trusted representative
confirm the validity of the test as YOU suggested.

Anything short of that is worthless as is your offer.


I expect -you- to back up your claims. Your tests were contradictory
in their data. Your data is unconfirmed as to its validity. Your
conclusions exclude the very real possibility of error or unknown
variables. You refuse to back up your conclusions with theoretical
constructs or additional tests. And you stick to your guns as if your
word was the Holy Gospel.

Yet when confronted with a challenge to your test, a challenge where
you risk absolutely nothing (don't forget that you would get the
antenna for your $25), with an objective and independently verified
test, what you you do? You sit in the corner, pee on yourself and
whine like Steve Robeson having his period.

Congratulations, tnom -- you just discredited both yourself -AND- the
antenna you are trying to get people to buy.


BTW, the offer still stands.








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