Frank K3EKO wrote:
Frank K3EKO wrote:

Dee D. Flint wrote:

"Frank K3EKO" wrote in message
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Dee D. Flint wrote:


And after restructuring. Since I am teaching a class, I have read the
current FCC rules and the current ARRL "Now You're Talking."



Technicians

who pass a 5wpm code test get the old Tech+/Novice HF privileges.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE
VE for ARRL and W5YI


This arguement is pointless. You can't talk to a brick wall. I'm done
here.

73

Frank K3EKO




Paragraph 97.301(e) clearly lists the HF privileges for any
Technician who
has passed the 5wpm code test.

So the brick wall is you and you have yet to state where you get your
source
of information. It certainly is not the FCC rules.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE
VE for ARRL and W5YI

This is from the W5YI website.

http://www.w5yi.org/AmRadio.htm#TECHNICIAN

TECHNICIAN

Almost all radioamateurs begin their ham career as a "Tech." The
privileges of a Technician Class operator license include operating
stations while transmitting on channels in any of 17 frequency bands
above 50 MHz with up to 1,500 watts power. It also allows access to
the two most popular ham bands, 2 meters and 70 cm ...otherwise known
as "450" (MHz.). To pass the Technician Class examination, at least
26 multiple choice questions from a 35 question written examination
must be answered correctly.

There are a total of 384 possible questions in the pool from which
these 35 questions are drawn. All questions in the various question
banks are known and widely published. There are no secret questions.
The Technician Class is the most popular license with about one-third
of all radioamateurs holding this license class. You will find
Technician study materials here and here.

TECH PLUS
The next step used to be called the "Technician Plus" class. This level
was eliminated as a separate operator class on April 15, 2000 -- but not
the privileges. A Technician Class operator who passes the 5
words-per-minute Morse code (Element 1) exam still gets CW (telegraphy)
and 10-meter voice privileges in four long distance short-wave bands in
the HF range (3-30 MHz), the same as the Tech Plus operator did
previously but they do not get issued another license. Their
authorization to operate on four CW bands below 30 MHz is conferred by
the Certificate of Successful Completion of Examination (CSCE) issued by
the VE (examining) team.

And like the Novice and Advanced Class, operators who held a Tech Plus
license on April 15, 2000 may modify their license (change their
address, call sign or name) indefinitely. Their new modified Tech Plus
license will still show the Tech Plus Class when it arrives.

But (unlike Novice and Advanced Class operators) Tech Plus licensees who
renew their licenses will be issued a Technician Class license. Again,
it still authorizes HF privileges just as the Tech Plus license did
previously. Their authorization to operate on four CW bands below 30
MHz and 10-meter voice segment is conferred by the (1.) Certificate of
Successful Completion of Examination (CSCE) previously issued by the VE
(examining) team or (2.) a previous copy of your Tech Plus license.




Ok! now how about the radio part of my original question??????

"Frank K3EKO" wrote in message
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snip

TECH PLUS
The next step used to be called the "Technician Plus" class. This level
was eliminated as a separate operator class on April 15, 2000 -- but not
the privileges. A Technician Class operator who passes the 5
words-per-minute Morse code (Element 1) exam still gets CW (telegraphy)
and 10-meter voice privileges in four long distance short-wave bands in
the HF range (3-30 MHz), the same as the Tech Plus operator did
previously but they do not get issued another license. Their
authorization to operate on four CW bands below 30 MHz is conferred by
the Certificate of Successful Completion of Examination (CSCE) issued by
the VE (examining) team.

And like the Novice and Advanced Class, operators who held a Tech Plus
license on April 15, 2000 may modify their license (change their
address, call sign or name) indefinitely. Their new modified Tech Plus
license will still show the Tech Plus Class when it arrives.

But (unlike Novice and Advanced Class operators) Tech Plus licensees who
renew their licenses will be issued a Technician Class license. Again,
it still authorizes HF privileges just as the Tech Plus license did
previously. Their authorization to operate on four CW bands below 30
MHz and 10-meter voice segment is conferred by the (1.) Certificate of
Successful Completion of Examination (CSCE) previously issued by the VE
(examining) team or (2.) a previous copy of your Tech Plus license.


Umm, excuse me, Frank, but isn't this the exact point that N8UZE was trying
to make and YOU kept saying was wrong, incorrect, mis-guided, etc, etc,
etc??????

Someone point me in the right direction here, please. because I think I'm
totally confused.................

73's

Martin, VK2UMJ

- Suicidal twin kills sister by mistake!




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"Frank K3EKO" wrote in message
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snip

TECH PLUS
The next step used to be called the "Technician Plus" class. This level
was eliminated as a separate operator class on April 15, 2000 -- but not
the privileges. A Technician Class operator who passes the 5
words-per-minute Morse code (Element 1) exam still gets CW (telegraphy)
and 10-meter voice privileges in four long distance short-wave bands in
the HF range (3-30 MHz), the same as the Tech Plus operator did
previously but they do not get issued another license. Their
authorization to operate on four CW bands below 30 MHz is conferred by
the Certificate of Successful Completion of Examination (CSCE) issued by
the VE (examining) team.

And like the Novice and Advanced Class, operators who held a Tech Plus
license on April 15, 2000 may modify their license (change their
address, call sign or name) indefinitely. Their new modified Tech Plus
license will still show the Tech Plus Class when it arrives.

But (unlike Novice and Advanced Class operators) Tech Plus licensees who
renew their licenses will be issued a Technician Class license. Again,
it still authorizes HF privileges just as the Tech Plus license did
previously. Their authorization to operate on four CW bands below 30
MHz and 10-meter voice segment is conferred by the (1.) Certificate of
Successful Completion of Examination (CSCE) previously issued by the VE
(examining) team or (2.) a previous copy of your Tech Plus license.


Umm, excuse me, Frank, but isn't this the exact point that N8UZE was trying
to make and YOU kept saying was wrong, incorrect, mis-guided, etc, etc,
etc??????

Someone point me in the right direction here, please. because I think I'm
totally confused.................

73's

Martin, VK2UMJ

- Suicidal twin kills sister by mistake!




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"Frank K3EKO" wrote in message
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Dee D. Flint wrote:
"Frank K3EKO" wrote in message
news:uqKhb.724221$YN5.646872@sccrnsc01...

Dee D. Flint wrote:


And after restructuring. Since I am teaching a class, I have read the
current FCC rules and the current ARRL "Now You're Talking."

Technicians

who pass a 5wpm code test get the old Tech+/Novice HF privileges.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE
VE for ARRL and W5YI


This arguement is pointless. You can't talk to a brick wall. I'm done
here.

73

Frank K3EKO


Paragraph 97.301(e) clearly lists the HF privileges for any Technician
who
has passed the 5wpm code test.

So the brick wall is you and you have yet to state where you get your
source
of information. It certainly is not the FCC rules.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE
VE for ARRL and W5YI

This is from the W5YI website.

http://www.w5yi.org/AmRadio.htm#TECHNICIAN

TECHNICIAN

Almost all radioamateurs begin their ham career as a "Tech." The
privileges of a Technician Class operator license include operating
stations while transmitting on channels in any of 17 frequency bands
above 50 MHz with up to 1,500 watts power. It also allows access to
the two most popular ham bands, 2 meters and 70 cm ...otherwise known as
"450" (MHz.). To pass the Technician Class examination, at least 26
multiple choice questions from a 35 question written examination must be
answered correctly.

There are a total of 384 possible questions in the pool from which these
35 questions are drawn. All questions in the various question banks are
known and widely published. There are no secret questions. The
Technician Class is the most popular license with about one-third of all
radioamateurs holding this license class. You will find Technician
study materials here and here.


This page is out of date as it is obviously pre-restructuring. It discusses
the three license classes that are no longer tested for or issued as new
licenses (i.e. Novice, Tech Plus, and Advanced). That information is
superseded by the FCC rules. So go buy yourself the latest rulebook or the
latest study guide published by W5YI (i.e. the Gordon West book).

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE
VE for ARRL and W5YI

"Frank K3EKO" wrote in message
news:uKKhb.724332$YN5.647633@sccrnsc01...
Dee D. Flint wrote:
"Frank K3EKO" wrote in message
news:uqKhb.724221$YN5.646872@sccrnsc01...

Dee D. Flint wrote:


And after restructuring. Since I am teaching a class, I have read the
current FCC rules and the current ARRL "Now You're Talking."

Technicians

who pass a 5wpm code test get the old Tech+/Novice HF privileges.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE
VE for ARRL and W5YI


This arguement is pointless. You can't talk to a brick wall. I'm done
here.

73

Frank K3EKO


Paragraph 97.301(e) clearly lists the HF privileges for any Technician
who
has passed the 5wpm code test.

So the brick wall is you and you have yet to state where you get your
source
of information. It certainly is not the FCC rules.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE
VE for ARRL and W5YI

This is from the W5YI website.

http://www.w5yi.org/AmRadio.htm#TECHNICIAN

TECHNICIAN

Almost all radioamateurs begin their ham career as a "Tech." The
privileges of a Technician Class operator license include operating
stations while transmitting on channels in any of 17 frequency bands
above 50 MHz with up to 1,500 watts power. It also allows access to
the two most popular ham bands, 2 meters and 70 cm ...otherwise known as
"450" (MHz.). To pass the Technician Class examination, at least 26
multiple choice questions from a 35 question written examination must be
answered correctly.

There are a total of 384 possible questions in the pool from which these
35 questions are drawn. All questions in the various question banks are
known and widely published. There are no secret questions. The
Technician Class is the most popular license with about one-third of all
radioamateurs holding this license class. You will find Technician
study materials here and here.


This page is out of date as it is obviously pre-restructuring. It discusses
the three license classes that are no longer tested for or issued as new
licenses (i.e. Novice, Tech Plus, and Advanced). That information is
superseded by the FCC rules. So go buy yourself the latest rulebook or the
latest study guide published by W5YI (i.e. the Gordon West book).

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE
VE for ARRL and W5YI

"Frank K3EKO" wrote in message
news:3NKhb.724345$YN5.647595@sccrnsc01...
TECH PLUS
The next step used to be called the "Technician Plus" class. This level
was eliminated as a separate operator class on April 15, 2000 -- but not
the privileges. A Technician Class operator who passes the 5
words-per-minute Morse code (Element 1) exam still gets CW (telegraphy)
and 10-meter voice privileges in four long distance short-wave bands in
the HF range (3-30 MHz), the same as the Tech Plus operator did
previously but they do not get issued another license. Their
authorization to operate on four CW bands below 30 MHz is conferred by
the Certificate of Successful Completion of Examination (CSCE) issued by
the VE (examining) team.


"A Technician Class operator who passes the 5 words-per-minute Morse code
(Element 1) exam still gets CW (telegraphy) and 10-meter voice privileges
in four long distance short-wave bands in the HF range (3-30 MHz), the same
as the Tech Plus operator did previously but they do not get issued another
license."

Which is what I have been stating and the FCC rules say. Techs who pass
5wpm do get some HF privilieges.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE
VE ARRL & W5YI

"Frank K3EKO" wrote in message
news:3NKhb.724345$YN5.647595@sccrnsc01...
TECH PLUS
The next step used to be called the "Technician Plus" class. This level
was eliminated as a separate operator class on April 15, 2000 -- but not
the privileges. A Technician Class operator who passes the 5
words-per-minute Morse code (Element 1) exam still gets CW (telegraphy)
and 10-meter voice privileges in four long distance short-wave bands in
the HF range (3-30 MHz), the same as the Tech Plus operator did
previously but they do not get issued another license. Their
authorization to operate on four CW bands below 30 MHz is conferred by
the Certificate of Successful Completion of Examination (CSCE) issued by
the VE (examining) team.


"A Technician Class operator who passes the 5 words-per-minute Morse code
(Element 1) exam still gets CW (telegraphy) and 10-meter voice privileges
in four long distance short-wave bands in the HF range (3-30 MHz), the same
as the Tech Plus operator did previously but they do not get issued another
license."

Which is what I have been stating and the FCC rules say. Techs who pass
5wpm do get some HF privilieges.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE
VE ARRL & W5YI

"MikeB" wrote in message
...


Ok! now how about the radio part of my original question??????


Sorry about the diversion! However it is quite important that a person be
rock solid on knowing what they do and do not have as privileges.

However to your questions.

[snip]
I know alot about electronics but nothing about amateur radio, nor do
I know anyone who does, so I hope this is the best newsgroup for info,
if not, let me know which group to ask my questions in!


I strongly recommend joining a local club and getting involved with them.
There should be plenty of people willing to help and even let you try out
their gear to get a feel for it. Also it is kind of nice to have someone
mentor you through your initial CW contacts. You should be able to find a
club by checking the ARRL website. If there appears to be nothing there,
use an internet search machine and type in the name of your nearest medium
to large city with the words amateur radio. For example, when I moved into
this area, I typed in Detroit area amateur radio and found a club in
the nearest suburb to where I lived.

I plan to start off with low-power CW and need to know what equipment
I'll need to get started. I searched the archives, but did not get
much solid info.


Minimum:
Radio, antenna, and straight key. The antenna will need to be matched
to the frequency on which you will be operating.

Optional
Multiband antenna with an antenna tuner, electronic keyer and paddle.

I plan on getting a basic "learning transceiver" off eBay to begin
with, then after I know what options I need and learn more, I'll get a
new one.


Unless you are an experienced eBay user, I would recommend joining a local
club and buying of a local club member or getting one of them to advise you
and buying at a local hamfest.

I've gotten good stuff off there BUT "It worked the last time I turned it
on" can also mean "before I dropped it down the basement stairs". eBay is
very much a buyer beware situation.

What features will I need to be able to start to do low-power CW, and
is there a preferred brand or model to look for?

Low power CW transceivers are often only single band with almost no
additional features. But they are simple and easy to use. I hear that MFJ
makes some good ones.

Actually, I recommend getting a used standard HF transceiver. You will have
a decent selection of features to try out and it will be ready to go as you
get more experience and when/if you decide to upgrade. It can be used for
the 10 meter voice & data modes that you will be eligible for as well as the
15m, 40m, and 80m CW privileges that you will have. Kenwood, Icom, and
Yeasu are all good brands. I would personally recommend something new
enough that it doesn't use vacuum tube finals as they require that you tune
up the radio itself before transmitting plus if you don't follow proper
procedures, you can easily damage those tubes. On the other hand, many new
people have started successfully with older tube type radios.

I can recommend the Kenwood TS-130 series, TS-140 series, TS-430 series,
TS-440 series among the older, out of production radios. Also a nice
current production radio that you should be able to easily find used at a
reasonable price is the Kenwood TS-50 mobile transceiver. These should all
be available at reasonable prices. I'm not as familiar with Icom or Yeasu
but they made similar radios. There was a Yeasu 757 series (I think) and a
767 series that were both well thought of.

Again I recommend finding a club and getting the help of an experienced ham.
Plus in a club there will be different people personally experienced with
radios from different makers and you will have the opportunity to try some
of them out. Most hams are friendly people and will gladly help you learn
about equipment (and show off their own!).

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"MikeB" wrote in message
...


Ok! now how about the radio part of my original question??????


Sorry about the diversion! However it is quite important that a person be
rock solid on knowing what they do and do not have as privileges.

However to your questions.

[snip]
I know alot about electronics but nothing about amateur radio, nor do
I know anyone who does, so I hope this is the best newsgroup for info,
if not, let me know which group to ask my questions in!


I strongly recommend joining a local club and getting involved with them.
There should be plenty of people willing to help and even let you try out
their gear to get a feel for it. Also it is kind of nice to have someone
mentor you through your initial CW contacts. You should be able to find a
club by checking the ARRL website. If there appears to be nothing there,
use an internet search machine and type in the name of your nearest medium
to large city with the words amateur radio. For example, when I moved into
this area, I typed in Detroit area amateur radio and found a club in
the nearest suburb to where I lived.

I plan to start off with low-power CW and need to know what equipment
I'll need to get started. I searched the archives, but did not get
much solid info.


Minimum:
Radio, antenna, and straight key. The antenna will need to be matched
to the frequency on which you will be operating.

Optional
Multiband antenna with an antenna tuner, electronic keyer and paddle.

I plan on getting a basic "learning transceiver" off eBay to begin
with, then after I know what options I need and learn more, I'll get a
new one.


Unless you are an experienced eBay user, I would recommend joining a local
club and buying of a local club member or getting one of them to advise you
and buying at a local hamfest.

I've gotten good stuff off there BUT "It worked the last time I turned it
on" can also mean "before I dropped it down the basement stairs". eBay is
very much a buyer beware situation.

What features will I need to be able to start to do low-power CW, and
is there a preferred brand or model to look for?

Low power CW transceivers are often only single band with almost no
additional features. But they are simple and easy to use. I hear that MFJ
makes some good ones.

Actually, I recommend getting a used standard HF transceiver. You will have
a decent selection of features to try out and it will be ready to go as you
get more experience and when/if you decide to upgrade. It can be used for
the 10 meter voice & data modes that you will be eligible for as well as the
15m, 40m, and 80m CW privileges that you will have. Kenwood, Icom, and
Yeasu are all good brands. I would personally recommend something new
enough that it doesn't use vacuum tube finals as they require that you tune
up the radio itself before transmitting plus if you don't follow proper
procedures, you can easily damage those tubes. On the other hand, many new
people have started successfully with older tube type radios.

I can recommend the Kenwood TS-130 series, TS-140 series, TS-430 series,
TS-440 series among the older, out of production radios. Also a nice
current production radio that you should be able to easily find used at a
reasonable price is the Kenwood TS-50 mobile transceiver. These should all
be available at reasonable prices. I'm not as familiar with Icom or Yeasu
but they made similar radios. There was a Yeasu 757 series (I think) and a
767 series that were both well thought of.

Again I recommend finding a club and getting the help of an experienced ham.
Plus in a club there will be different people personally experienced with
radios from different makers and you will have the opportunity to try some
of them out. Most hams are friendly people and will gladly help you learn
about equipment (and show off their own!).

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"Frank K3EKO" wrote in message
news:uKKhb.724332$YN5.647633@sccrnsc01...
Dee D. Flint wrote:
"Frank K3EKO" wrote in message
news:uqKhb.724221$YN5.646872@sccrnsc01...

Dee D. Flint wrote:


And after restructuring. Since I am teaching a class, I have read the
current FCC rules and the current ARRL "Now You're Talking."

Technicians

who pass a 5wpm code test get the old Tech+/Novice HF privileges.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE
VE for ARRL and W5YI


This arguement is pointless. You can't talk to a brick wall. I'm done
here.

73

Frank K3EKO


Paragraph 97.301(e) clearly lists the HF privileges for any Technician
who
has passed the 5wpm code test.

So the brick wall is you and you have yet to state where you get your
source
of information. It certainly is not the FCC rules.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE
VE for ARRL and W5YI

This is from the W5YI website.

http://www.w5yi.org/AmRadio.htm#TECHNICIAN

TECHNICIAN

Almost all radioamateurs begin their ham career as a "Tech." The
privileges of a Technician Class operator license include operating
stations while transmitting on channels in any of 17 frequency bands
above 50 MHz with up to 1,500 watts power. It also allows access to
the two most popular ham bands, 2 meters and 70 cm ...otherwise known as
"450" (MHz.). To pass the Technician Class examination, at least 26
multiple choice questions from a 35 question written examination must be
answered correctly.

There are a total of 384 possible questions in the pool from which these
35 questions are drawn. All questions in the various question banks are
known and widely published. There are no secret questions. The
Technician Class is the most popular license with about one-third of all
radioamateurs holding this license class. You will find Technician
study materials here and here


"Channels" ??

Dan/W4NTI