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Old June 21st 06, 02:20 AM posted to rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy
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On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 10:38:49 -0400, Dave wrote:


NO! Don't label another person! It is wrong to label! Particularly when you do
not know any of his/her life's circumstances.


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Not true at all. For example I can label you as a Politically Correct,
Warm-n-Fuzzy far leftist and be right on the money.

Labels have their place.

Bill, W6WRT

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"Bill Turner" wrote in message
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On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 14:01:14 GMT, Cecil Moore
wrote:

When I got my driver's license in 1952, the driving test
was required to be taken on a stick shift vehicle. Do
you think that should still be a requirement?


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Of course not. Today's driving test should require making a left turn
while dialing a cell phone and sipping a Starbucks.

and talking on the radio and shifting a manual transmission all at the same
time.

:-)



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Old June 21st 06, 05:53 AM posted to rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy
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"pltrgyst" wrote in message
news
Dyslexia cannot apply, unless it is dyslexia that affects the
remembered dot/dash pattern of a single character.


Well, Larry, it took you to the last sentence, but you did actually lurch
into the problem.
Within seconds after learning what dah-dit-dit-dah means (or
dit-dah-dah-dit, for that matter), I fail to
accurately recognize them when they are sent again. Hundreds of tries --
all failures, all mine.

From your lofty perch, as a successful Morse Code user, you look down on me.
You could stand to learn a
little humility. It would serve you and the amateur community better than
dah-dit-dah any day.


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"Slow Code" wrote in message
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When code goes away, you're going to be the one that tells us the written
is too hard.



You wish! Of the 55 questions on my Technician License exam,
I missed one. ONE!

Technically, I'm an above average ham. Through your dirty goggles,
however,
you see me as some kind of slug because I can't do code. So wrong.

Because I already hit the twit filter on you, I won't see any reply you
send, so
play it up any way you want.


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"Sal M. Onella" wrote in message
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"pltrgyst" wrote in message
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Dyslexia cannot apply, unless it is dyslexia that affects the
remembered dot/dash pattern of a single character.


Well, Larry, it took you to the last sentence, but you did actually lurch
into the problem.
Within seconds after learning what dah-dit-dit-dah means (or
dit-dah-dah-dit, for that matter), I fail to
accurately recognize them when they are sent again. Hundreds of tries --
all failures, all mine.

From your lofty perch, as a successful Morse Code user, you look down on

me.
You could stand to learn a
little humility. It would serve you and the amateur community better than
dah-dit-dah any day.



should we get rid of the written test because people can't learn decibels
and basic algebra?

perhaps the CW test could have a question pool similar to the written. you
could memorize all the answers. i am actually dead serious. or standardize
the test so that the output is always like a QSO in super morse. there are
ways to make the test easier.

hmm, or we could have an option that you can view the CW in a spectrogram
and decode it visually.

Gravity




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In rec.radio.amateur.antenna Cecil Moore wrote:
: When I got my driver's license in 1952, the driving test
: was required to be taken on a stick shift vehicle. Do
: you think that should still be a requirement?

Yes.
--
73 Chris Cox, N0UK, G4JEC

Come and join us here in Bloomington, Minnesota, home of the Mall of
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Society Conference which will be hosted once again by the NLRS.
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Bill you are 100% wrong!

I am a right wing Republican, socially conservative, I attempt to be morally
correct [that makes me politically incorrect quite often], and Conservative
Christian [Clergyman]. I favor a very strong military [prior to my retirement
from engineering, I served for 6 years as Program Chief Engineer on the USAF MX
Missile (WS-118) RS/RV].

I believe the USA Constitution must be read and understood in the social context
in which it was written. Changes should be by amendment not judicial agenda.

/s/ Rev. Dave , AKA W1MCE

See, labels can be 100% incorrect when you don't know the other person's life story.

Bill Turner wrote:

ORIGINAL MESSAGE:

On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 10:38:49 -0400, Dave wrote:



NO! Don't label another person! It is wrong to label! Particularly when you do
not know any of his/her life's circumstances.



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Not true at all. For example I can label you as a Politically Correct,
Warm-n-Fuzzy far leftist and be right on the money.

Labels have their place.

Bill, W6WRT


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On 2006-06-21, Dave wrote:

I served for 6 years as Program Chief Engineer on the USAF MX
Missile (WS-118) RS/RV].


You bragging or complaining?

nb
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Old June 21st 06, 07:18 PM posted to rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy
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darpa dave wrote:

I served for 6 years as Program Chief Engineer on the USAF MX
Missile (WS-118) RS/RV].


MX missiles destroyed my country, you insensitive clod!

Soong


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Hi there.

Just a quick thought. I will not jump into the code vs. no-code fray. That
said, I'd like to pass on an experience I had with a college professor
friend of mine many years ago, now passed (Doc Bronfield WA2SMW). I learned
CW at the age of 9 using flashing light. Now age 57. Got my novice at age 14
and general at age 15. The extra came easy as did 30 wpm plus CW. Not so
with my friend Doc. He tried and tried, and then we realized that he had
aural dyslexia. So I had an idea. With the help of local engineering types.
They built a keyer that could sent different frequencies slightly for the
dits and dahs. That was what he needed to get his code speed up and pass the
general using the keyer during a FCC test. Here's what I believe should
happen with CW. When I passed my extra there were no extra class operating
privileges issued, but the FCC issued a nice Extra class certificate for the
accomplishment (which I still have). I suggest we leave the 5 wpm code
requirement in place as it now is, but go back to issuing the 20 wpm
certificate by VE's. That would, perhaps, satisfy, the pro-code folk? It
would reward the accomplishment without necessarily making it an Extra class
requirement.

Jozef Hand-Boniakowski

WB2MIC

"Sal M. Onella" wrote in message
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"pltrgyst" wrote in message
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Dyslexia cannot apply, unless it is dyslexia that affects the
remembered dot/dash pattern of a single character.


Well, Larry, it took you to the last sentence, but you did actually lurch
into the problem.
Within seconds after learning what dah-dit-dit-dah means (or
dit-dah-dah-dit, for that matter), I fail to
accurately recognize them when they are sent again. Hundreds of tries --
all failures, all mine.

From your lofty perch, as a successful Morse Code user, you look down on
me.
You could stand to learn a
little humility. It would serve you and the amateur community better than
dah-dit-dah any day.




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