My old shack/office/development computer needs to be replaced.

My ham applications are WriteLog, Logger32, microHAM Router, and tQSL
(LoTW).

Are there any showstoppers if I buy something with Vista Home Premium
installed, and upgrade to Windows 7 in the future. (No, I'm not interested
in retrograding to XP).

73, de Hans, K0HB
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On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 15:36:11 EDT, KØHB wrote:

My old shack/office/development computer needs to be replaced.

My ham applications are WriteLog, Logger32, microHAM Router, and tQSL
(LoTW).

Are there any showstoppers if I buy something with Vista Home Premium
installed, and upgrade to Windows 7 in the future. (No, I'm not interes
ted
in retrograding to XP).

73, de Hans, K0HB

Check with the authors of your ham apps to see if they will upgrade
them to Win 7, and if so, when. It sometimes takes a while for apps
to be upgraded.

All of the reviews I've seen about Windows 7 say that it is much
better that Vista.

Dick, AC7EL

"Richard" wrote ...
Check with the authors of your ham apps to see if they will upgrade
them to Win 7, and if so, when. It sometimes takes a while for apps
to be upgraded.

Excellent advice. Never select a comptuer or OS for an app(s)
before confirming that they will operate there. Win7 is available
in pre-release ("RC-1") for the purposes of testing hardware and
software compatibility. My local PC shoppe hands out (official!)
discs out for free. Of course they will stop running next spring,
after which you should have paid for the license if you want to use
it.

Note that the requirements for the newer operating systems (post-
XP) are significantly higher for application authors, so don't be
too surprised if some favorite apps take longer to make the upgrade.
Also not unusual for developers to just throw in the towel at the
sight of the newer requirements. One of the major reasons for the
continued brisk sales of XP ("retrograde" or not :-) MS shot
themselves in the foot with Vista and Win7 is supposed to be better
at running in "backwards compatible" mode.

All of the reviews I've seen about Windows 7 say that it is much
better that Vista.

Indeed, sales of XP continue as if Vista never happened.
Microsoft may be finally able to discontinue XP after users
are convinced that Win7 is decent (assuming, hoping...)

"Richard Crowley" wrote in message
...
"Richard" wrote ...
Check with the authors of your ham apps to see if they will upgrade
them to Win 7, and if so, when. It sometimes takes a while for apps
to be upgraded.

Excellent advice. Never select a comptuer or OS for an app(s)
before confirming that they will operate there. Win7 is available
in pre-release ("RC-1") for the purposes of testing hardware and
software compatibility. My local PC shoppe hands out (official!)
discs out for free. Of course they will stop running next spring,
after which you should have paid for the license if you want to use
it.

Note that the requirements for the newer operating systems (post-
XP) are significantly higher for application authors, so don't be
too surprised if some favorite apps take longer to make the upgrade.
Also not unusual for developers to just throw in the towel at the
sight of the newer requirements. One of the major reasons for the
continued brisk sales of XP ("retrograde" or not :-) MS shot
themselves in the foot with Vista and Win7 is supposed to be better
at running in "backwards compatible" mode.

All of the reviews I've seen about Windows 7 say that it is much
better that Vista.

Indeed, sales of XP continue as if Vista never happened.
Microsoft may be finally able to discontinue XP after users
are convinced that Win7 is decent (assuming, hoping...)


I have a brisk business downgrading to XP just because of its speed,
stability and backward compatibility.

On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 19:53:42 EDT, "Richard Crowley"
wrote:

Note that the requirements for the newer operating systems (post-
XP) are significantly higher for application authors

In what sense?

so don't be
too surprised if some favorite apps take longer to make the upgrade.
Also not unusual for developers to just throw in the towel at the
sight of the newer requirements.

Some software devs also didn't move with increased security
requirements. Microsoft finally started to clamp down in Windows
Vista. In my opinion long overdue. And Vista got blamed for this.
These standards predate Windows 2000.

For example

1) requiring that folks run their apps as administrators

1) software devs running as a regular user to locate all such
problems.

2) installing apps to \Program Files is obviously fine but put all
your data files in the users Application Data

3) Installing the software in it's own folder on the root of C drive
with a mixture of exes, dlls and data files shouldn't be done either.

Tony (software developer)

"Tony VE6MVP" wrote ...
"Richard Crowley" wrote:
Note that the requirements for the newer operating systems (post-
XP) are significantly higher for application authors

In what sense?

The number of hardware and software products that got left by
the wayside by Vista is unprecedented in MS Windows history.
That is one of the BIG reasons for the continued popularity of XP.

so don't be
too surprised if some favorite apps take longer to make the upgrade.
Also not unusual for developers to just throw in the towel at the
sight of the newer requirements.

Some software devs also didn't move with increased security
requirements. Microsoft finally started to clamp down in Windows
Vista. In my opinion long overdue. And Vista got blamed for this.
These standards predate Windows 2000.

For example

1) requiring that folks run their apps as administrators

1) software devs running as a regular user to locate all such
problems.

2) installing apps to \Program Files is obviously fine but put all
your data files in the users Application Data

3) Installing the software in it's own folder on the root of C drive
with a mixture of exes, dlls and data files shouldn't be done either.

No argument at all. I'm both a software developer AND someone
who owns/maintains ~100 windows systems in semi-public use in
several classrooms, so I see it from both ends.

I'm just saying that MS finally raised the bar and enforced it this time
(for better or for worse) and lots of programmers and hardware
vendors made the decision that the cost/benefit ratio was no longer
in their favor. Just saying.

Richard KE6GKP

Tony VE6MVP wrote:
Some software devs also didn't move with increased security
requirements. Microsoft finally started to clamp down in Windows
Vista. In my opinion long overdue. And Vista got blamed for this.
These standards predate Windows 2000.

For example

1) requiring that folks run their apps as administrators

Some game companies figured out that sophisticated users were able to
use the "limited user" boundary as a lever to pry open copy-protection
features, and therefore demanded that their software run only in
Administrator accounts.

Professional system administrators actually welcomed the change, since
it meant that their lusers couldn't play games with company property,
and that ID-ten-T problems went down proportionately. ;-)

Bill, W1AC

On 14/09/09 20:36, KØHB wrote:
My old shack/office/development computer needs to be replaced.

My ham applications are WriteLog, Logger32, microHAM Router, and tQSL
(LoTW).

Are there any showstoppers if I buy something with Vista Home Premium
installed, and upgrade to Windows 7 in the future. (No, I'm not
interested in retrograding to XP).

73, de Hans, K0HB

Why not try Linux..? It's free and there are plenty of useful Amateur
Radio applications. Not sure if any match what you specify above but
worth a look maybe..?

73 Ivor G6URP

Linux and XP are not options.

This computer will need to "triple" as my ham radio machine, home office
machine, and also developing/debugging new Windows applications.

73, de Hans, K0HB
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"Ivor Jones" wrote in message
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On 14/09/09 20:36, KØHB wrote:
My old shack/office/development computer needs to be replaced.

My ham applications are WriteLog, Logger32, microHAM Router, and tQSL
(LoTW).

Are there any showstoppers if I buy something with Vista Home Premium
installed, and upgrade to Windows 7 in the future. (No, I'm not
interested in retrograding to XP).

73, de Hans, K0HB

Why not try Linux..? It's free and there are plenty of useful Amateur
Radio applications. Not sure if any match what you specify above but wo
rth
a look maybe..?

73 Ivor G6URP

"KØHB" wrote in message
...
Linux and XP are not options.

This computer will need to "triple" as my ham radio machine, home office
machine, and also developing/debugging new Windows applications.

73, de Hans, K0HB


Dual Boot XP/Vista is doable but it is a whole lot easier to do starting
with XP first. There are tutorials on this. I have often found dual
booting to be a good way to continue using software while finding
compatibility solutions. I realize some of the new hardware has problem
s
with that.