Vshah101 wrote:

From (Larry Roll K3LT):

If that is the case in your club, then simply work around the old timers
that you find so offensive, and get your fellow newcomers involved in your
projects. What is so difficult about that?

The newcomers seem to be of the same mode also.

Your tales always end with you being the odd man out.

The ones that are interested in
the technical stuff probably would have left within one or two meetings.

Your job is to seek them out and meld a new club based around your
unique definition of what an amateur radio club should be.

Probably same would be true about the social aspect of newcomers. Thats why the
demographics seem to stay as they are when new people join.

So the club stays full of those who are interested in talking about
amateur radio and who set up operating events and then waste that time
by actually operating rather than touring the beach, eating salads and
chatting up the "preety fems".

I'm involved in a county group which is part of ARES. Most of the hams
involved are not interested in contesting or DXing. Many operate VHF FM
only. I don't know any who've designed and built a linear amplifier.
Only one other is interested in collecting and restoring vintage gear.
I continue to attend. We interact based on our common interests rather
than the things which divide us.

Dave K8MN

The other alternative is to start my own club. I tried it, but that was not too
successful.

From: ospam (Larry Roll K3LT)

The newcomers seem to be of the same mode also. The ones that are interested
in
the technical stuff probably would have left within one or two meetings.

Vipul:

"Would have?" Did they or didn't they? It's gotta be one or the other!

I am not a demographer. I don't track newcomers like that. On that statement,
I'm just theorizing. That's why I used the word "probably".

Probably same would be true about the social aspect of newcomers. Thats why
the demographics seem to stay as they are when new people join.

I am not a demographer. I don't track newcomers like that. On that statement,
I'm just theorizing. That's why I used the word "probably".

Its 95%+ males, mostly older males. The idea of putting up antennas and
contesting for hours is boring. Not surprisingly, there are few females in the
hobby.

Most of the young people are of the anti-social nerdy type that others would
not like to be with. Therefore, other young people don't join.

The other alternative is to start my own club. I tried it, but that was not
too successful.

Not "too" successful?

Two other people showed up. One person was a typical Ham type and believed that
I could get more members by appealing to current Hams. If I could find current
Hams with those interests, I would not have to start this type of club.

The other person, although not an EE, was sincerely interested in technical
projects.

Due to certain factors such as the lack of a meeting place, getting enough
members, and lack of funds, and other factors, the club could not get started.

"Vshah101" wrote in message
...
From: ospam (Larry Roll K3LT)

Most of the young people are of the anti-social nerdy type that others
would
not like to be with. Therefore, other young people don't join.


Well got news for you. It's the anti-social nerdy types in our society that
make the majority of technical and business advances. They are focused on
their goals rather than looking for social clubs. All of our computer
technology has come from the "geeks" and some of those boys have gotten
wealty (Bill Gates comes to mind here).

The other alternative is to start my own club. I tried it, but that was
not
too successful.

Not "too" successful?

Two other people showed up. One person was a typical Ham type and believed
that
I could get more members by appealing to current Hams. If I could find
current
Hams with those interests, I would not have to start this type of club.

The other person, although not an EE, was sincerely interested in
technical
projects.

Due to certain factors such as the lack of a meeting place, getting enough
members, and lack of funds, and other factors, the club could not get
started.

EVERY club had that problem in the beginning. However each of the
successful clubs had a leader who was willing to WORK to overcome all these
factors. It certainly looks like your expectations of what it takes to get
a club going were very unrealistic.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message gy.com...

Well got news for you. It's the anti-social nerdy types in our society that
make the majority of technical and business advances. They are focused on
their goals rather than looking for social clubs. All of our computer
technology has come from the "geeks" and some of those boys have gotten
wealty (Bill Gates comes to mind here).

Dee...I can't help but imagine that there's some overweight
ex-prom queeen who's day revolves around 6 kids, a beer-bellied
ex-jock old man who won't get out of bed or stay sober,living in a
mobile home that's about to fall off the axles, all-the-while beating
herself up for having made fun of Mr. Gates for "daring" to ask her
out once ! ! !

=)

Steve, K4YZ

"Steve Robeson, K4CAP" wrote in message
om...
"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message
gy.com...

Well got news for you. It's the anti-social nerdy types in our society
that
make the majority of technical and business advances. They are focused
on
their goals rather than looking for social clubs. All of our computer
technology has come from the "geeks" and some of those boys have gotten
wealty (Bill Gates comes to mind here).

Dee...I can't help but imagine that there's some overweight
ex-prom queeen who's day revolves around 6 kids, a beer-bellied
ex-jock old man who won't get out of bed or stay sober,living in a
mobile home that's about to fall off the axles, all-the-while beating
herself up for having made fun of Mr. Gates for "daring" to ask her
out once ! ! !

It wouldn't surprise me in the least.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

(Vshah101) wrote in message ...
From: ospam (Larry Roll K3LT)

The newcomers seem to be of the same mode also. The ones that are interested
in
the technical stuff probably would have left within one or two meetings.

Vipul:

"Would have?" Did they or didn't they? It's gotta be one or the other!

I am not a demographer. I don't track newcomers like that. On that statement,
I'm just theorizing. That's why I used the word "probably".

I love how you give us "numbers" about how "unbalanced" you find
Amatuer Radio, then when called on your numbers you throw some excues
out about how you're NOT qualified in the first plce to MAKE that
assertion.

Probably same would be true about the social aspect of newcomers. Thats why
the demographics seem to stay as they are when new people join.

I am not a demographer. I don't track newcomers like that. On that statement,
I'm just theorizing. That's why I used the word "probably".

Its 95%+ males, mostly older males. The idea of putting up antennas and
contesting for hours is boring. Not surprisingly, there are few females in the
hobby.

You have been offered countless exmaples of OTHER things you can
do in Amateur radio, but you keep harping back to two or three things
you DON'T like and presenting them as the "only" thing there are to
do.

What an idiot, Vipul.

Most of the young people are of the anti-social nerdy type that others would
not like to be with. Therefore, other young people don't join.

Double idiot.

The other alternative is to start my own club. I tried it, but that was not
too successful.

Not "too" successful?

Two other people showed up. One person was a typical Ham type and believed that
I could get more members by appealing to current Hams. If I could find current
Hams with those interests, I would not have to start this type of club.

Sure you would. Almost every "specialty" club (DXing, contesting,
ARES, etc) starts as a sub-group of some other organization.

The other person, although not an EE, was sincerely interested in technical
projects.

Due to certain factors such as the lack of a meeting place, getting enough
members, and lack of funds, and other factors, the club could not get started.

The club could not get started because YOU did not possess the
organizational skills to make it happen. You only had 2 or three
people interested? Then meet in your living room for now! Have your
"meeting" over coffee or drinks at a night club.

People usually do NOT like joinging something that doesn't have
form and function, so it takes a few like minded individuals to get
the program rolling.

Unless you are going to try and "out-do" the ARRL on day one, it
does NOT take a lot of money to get a new club started.

So far, the only reason for NOT getting your club started is
wimpy excuses and a lack of determination on YOUR part.

Period.

Steve, K4YZ