(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...

Well, the gunnery nurse's "attitude" adjustment seems to have lasted
only a few days.

Oh no, Lennie...My attitude about YOU will enver change. You've
proven to me that you are without redeeming character, unable to tell
the truth, and unwilling to do the things yuo say you'll do...

No change there.

This is NOT "commercial" radio...Not the Armed Forces or maritime
services.

Neither is it about "nursing" or "piloting," ace gunnery nurse.

However, radio is radio, and the physics of same does NOT change
because an administration defines certain radio activities as
"amateur."

IT'S NOT ABOUT THE PHYSICS, SCUMBAG.

It's about the application. Always has been...always will be.

Are you having a problem with this concept?

No, but you are definitely still having a problem with "attitude."

Above retierated.

Is your ONLY "argument" that since the military allegedly doesn't
use Morse Code, then we don't?

The U.S. military does NOT use any morse code for communications.

Wrong. proven over and over. That they don't get YOUR approval
to do so is YOUR tough luck...Sorry.

The U.S. military only requires morse code cognition by a relative
handfull of military intelligence specialists engaged in monitoring
and intercepting enemy and potential-enemy messaging.

As far as YOU know...Others (who have PRACTICAL experience) have
dicreditied your assertions on more than one occassion.

Now...Go dig out Momma Lennie's correspondence texts and look up
"pathological liar", and if you have just ONE lucid, objective moment,
you MIGHT understand why no one here has any respect for you.

I DOUBT it, but you MIGHT.

Steve, K4YZ

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article , Dave Heil
trying to go for the jugular but getting only a juggler writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article ,
(N2EY)
writes:

To US who were in the big-time radio communications on HF of a half
century ago, that did not involve morse code. There were and still are
a lot of "US" involved in that.

For some of US who've had more recent experience than yours, morse was
involved. For many of us who are actually radio amateurs and who are
participants in big-time radio HF communications today, morse code is
still involved. What are you doing in big-time HF these days?

In big-time HF, not a heckuva lot. There's very little left of the BIG
TIME HF communications efforts of a half century ago.

More evidence that you aren't in touch with reality, Lennie.

Armature radio deeecksing is "big time?" Nope. Not a drop in a
bit bucket compared to the communications carriers of not too long
ago. You'd LOVE to think it was "big time" but that is only how it
is written up in QST.

Lennie, from someone who is constantly trying to discredit
Amateurs as not being in touch with the "radio world outside of CT", I
am absolutely appalled that YOU demonstrate such
ignorance....Well...No I'm not...you've pretty well proven your
ignorance over and over.

The only radio service still requiring morse code for communications
is amatoor radio. All the other radio services either gave up on it or
never considered it in the first place.

Because the APPLICATIONS are different. This is NOT "PLMRS",
Public Service, the Armed Forces, or Citizens Band.

If you continue to fight THIS tide, you'll only die tired, Putzy
One.

I was IN worldwide communications on HF over a half century ago.
At the time I liked it fine...even felt honored to be able to serve my
country doing just that.

None of that involved morse code.

...and because you didn't use morse, no one used it at the time or since.
A number of us have used morse professionally and as radio amateurs in
the decades after you had your "big-time".

Nope, snarly dave, the Army gave up on morse code for fixed-point
to fixed-point long-distance communications back in 1948, before my
service time. The Navy's long-haul fixed comms were the same way.
Same for the USAF although all the branches maintained some
morse code proficiency requirements and circuits until the early 70s
(rather small efforts). I'm sure Department of State was able to put
some of that obsolete military equipment to good use after it had a
life in active military duty.

We have first-hand testimony from participants in this forum who
are/were in a position to know BETTER than you that this was/is false.

Why do you persist in perpetuating a falsehood?

Tens of thousands of skilled radio operators worldwide have used
worldwide communications effectively for decades without ever
once having to use or know morse code. They have done so for
over a half century.

Tens of thousands of skilled radio ops worldwide *have* used morse
effectively for worldwide communications after your day in the sun.
Tens of thousands still do so.

Sorry, snarly dave, that's just your Article of Faith. You WANT to
think that is true but it's far in the past and never the numbers you
can prove. The PROOF is seeing what radio circuits use what on
HF...even when HF was a mainstay of communications carriers.

Nope...no "Article of Faith", Lennie.

Truth. DOCUMENTED truth.

Don't let me stop your rationale invention. Improve the state of the
rationale art, innovate, improvise, adapt...

And don't let us stop your rant even though it's already been
disproven over and over.

The U.S. military did not require any morsemanship to use the very
first handheld transceivers (on HF) for communications in 1940. That's
64 years ago. Neither did they require any morsemanship to use the
first backpack radio (on VHF) in 1943. That's 61 years ago.

Yet the military continued to use morse. What's your point?

EVOLUTION, you throwback to failed Darwinism.

Do you need a DayGlo billboard to outline it? WAKE UP.

The state of the art of radio communications long since bypassed
morsemanship skills.

Obviously not, according to a poll recently conducted by "CQ"
magazine...AND judging by the amount of CW traffic one can hear at any
given moment on teh HF bands, Lennie.

Again, you persist in trying to make an assertion that's EASILY
disproven with simply procured evidence...ie: turning on any receiver
capable of covering the HF band.

It doesn't take rocket science intellect to use, operate ANY radio.

Obviously it does since you seem to be unable (or is it
UNWILLING?) to turn one on and see for yourself that the facts don't
jive with YOUR "jive".

Morsemanship needs only repetitive Pavlovian training to become
a wetware modem...provided the basic aptitude is present.

NO modern communications carrier uses any morse code. Such
skills went byebye some time ago.

"modern communicaitons carrier"...?!?! Not a COMMERCIAL one, but
since this is NOT a forum about any other radio service than the
AMATEUR Radio Service, it's NOT GERMANE.

Teletype Corporation didn't make a half million teleprinters during
their corporate existance to copy morse code.

And your mommy obviously didn't make you capable of being polite,
responsible or truthful, yet the potential exists.

The hundreds of thousands of amateur radio ops work DX, engage in
radiosport, check into nets or engage in public service communications
without touching a PLMRS transceiver.

Wow! Really?!?

No hams work in a business that has a Public Land Mobile Radio
Services radio? No hams work on railroads or in heavy trucking or
vehicle road service trucks? No hams in construction of large
buildings or engaged in HVAC or plumbing maintenance of same?
No hams are policemen or firemen or paramedics? No hams are in
the broadcast industry using remote links controlled through PLMRS
comms?

I am sure that had a purpose, but whatever it was, it didn't make
it to the surface.

They are all on HF engaging in "radiosport" and net checking to
advance the state of the art of radio and morsemanship?

Now all that "radiosport" and "net checking" is fun and recreational
and enjoyed by many but it is hardly any sort of technical
advancement or honing skills useful in case of national need.

Wrong again. Proven over and over, EVEN in the 21st Century.

Your mileage on the newsgroup rageometer will, of course, vary.

No rage needed here. The comments of hundreds of disaster relief
workers, EMA managers, governmental agencies, etc to the contrary
suffice.

Foaming at the mouth is normal, sarly dave, but don't forget to
brush after every meal.

Trying to dodge responsibility for your own errors, either overt
or of ommission, will not change the fact that YOU are wrong,
Lennie...

No matter HOW many times you repeat your untruthful bile in this
forum, hundreds of OTHER media sources prove you wrong, and that just
tickles me to death.

I see. "Broadband" means "broad bandwidth". You could have knocked me
over with a feather when I read your words. So to your way of thinking
on "broadness", a morse communication at 5 wpm on 10 KHz could be
considered "broadband"?

No. I'd say that 5 words per minute on 10 KHz could possibly be
interfering with USN submarine alert frequencies. Those are on VLF.
It's not nice to interfere with boomers or sharks, big daddy dave.
Such wouldn't mean a "Riley" knocking on your door, but some very
serious "attitude" folks carrying heavy artillery.

Now show us some REAL innovations and inventions done by hams
over the last 50 years or so concerning RADIO. Other than Dan
Tayloe that I've already mentioned several times.

Or just continue to make nasty in here on the UnBelievers who
don't worship at the shrine of St. Hiram.

At least he has a shrine. You just have a shriek.

Steve, K4YZ

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

Meanwhile some of us will have been having a lot of fun with ham
radio. I know I have, and will continue to do so.

Me too. Glad I didn't listen to those that told me that "Morse code is
going to go away any day now." ~Three extra years on HF and counting.......

Keep on truckin, radio pioneer.

Make sure that all other hams keep the Faith and worship regularly
at the Church of St. Hiram, beeping in mass formation, following
the catechisms of morse down to every procode, pledging allegiance
to the league and the morse code.

Above all, force everyone to accept present law as a Divine one,
never to be changed by mortal man, that morse code testing
shall remain forever and ever. That is the Way of True Faith of
the American Amateur. According to the Church of St. Hiram.

Status quo uber alles...unless the BoD changes their mind again.

LHA / WMD

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Dave Heil confused in the
east...and north...and south writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Dave Heil

trying to go for the jugular but getting only a juggler writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article ,

(N2EY)
writes:

The hundreds of thousands of amateur radio ops work DX, engage in
radiosport, check into nets or engage in public service communications
without touching a PLMRS transceiver.

Wow! Really?!?

No hams work in a business that has a Public Land Mobile Radio
Services radio? No hams work on railroads or in heavy trucking or
vehicle road service trucks? No hams in construction of large
buildings or engaged in HVAC or plumbing maintenance of same?
No hams are policemen or firemen or paramedics? No hams are in
the broadcast industry using remote links controlled through PLMRS
comms?

Oh, I see your confusion. You thought I meant *other than on the ham
bands*!

Who knows what lurks in your four neurons, snarly dave?

[da shadow do?]

N2EY: "Besides, here's a simple, plain fact:

No matter what job, educational level, employer, or
government/military service that a radio amateur has, if said radio
amateur opposes Mr. Anderson's views, he/she will be the target of Mr.
Anderson's insults, ridicule, name-calling, factual errors, ethnic
slurs, excessive emoticons and general infantile behavior."

They are all on HF engaging in "radiosport" and net checking to
advance the state of the art of radio and morsemanship?

Did I write "all" or did you just gather it from the ether?

No, nitrous oxide.

In your case, nitrous obnoxide.

I have to take an anaesthetic when I go in here to read all this "expert
radio nowledge stuf." One needs to dull the senses down to the
extra level...

Just more civil debate on the elimination of morse testing, Leonid?

Now all that "radiosport" and "net checking" is fun and recreational
and enjoyed by many but it is hardly any sort of technical
advancement or honing skills useful in case of national need.

How do you know much about it--by having someone you know tell you of
it? By reading about it on the web? By browsing through the pages of
QST at your local library? Were you under the impression that hams are
mandated to participate in technical advancement? Are there no
operational skills needed by the nation?

Why are you asking?

In the expectation of receiving a straight answer. How do you know that
radiosport and public service work in amateur radio are fun? Who told
you?

You are an Extra. You know Everything because you are Qualified
by a federal agency, complete with pretty little certificate (suitable
for framing)!

You're right about one part: I am an Amateur Extra, but I now about what
hams do because I am a part of it, an active participant. I don't get
my knowledge of amateur radio on a second-hand basis.

I know in which part of the spectrum 10 KHz is located.

Did you download that firmware fact from Ten-Tec too?

No, Leonard. Ten-Tec has firmware upgrades available. Would you like
the definition of firmware again?

No radio amateur anywhere has done anything if you haven't known about it.

Awwww...now you are acting all peevish. Tsk, tsk, tsk.

Worship? You aren't even baptised as a licensed ham, Leonard.

Tsk, tsk, tsk, pope dave the furst become a religious sellout?

The Church doesn't issue ham licenses, snarly dave.

That's strange. Weren't you the fellow who brought up a particular
church? You seemed to have snipped that portion.

The FDA grades ham.

...leaving you to handle the degrading.

I only degrade the biodegradeable amateurs in here.

You know, the Few, the Overly-Proud, the (white) Men of the
Amateur Copse waving in the breeze of their own unoriginality
bravely holding to the standards and practices of 1930s
amateurisms but bragging they are state of the art by buying
the latest radio toy designed by someone else and built by
someone else and thinking they are potential Nobel laureates
for doing so.

You biodegradeables get your jollies not by operating them radio
toys so much as acting like you are radio gods in here and
snarling degredations at others who don't have your lofty
opinions. Worse yet, you aren't even original in your perjoratives.

Didn't you forget my claim that I was going to invent anti-gravity?

Haven't heard of that one. Don't worry too much though. It can't make
you look any more foolish than your "Extra right out of the box" claim.

Said that once before. You can find it in Google (you were going to
cut and paste everything I ever wrote before in here...that will be
included).

I'm still working on anti-gravity. Something is holding me down, though.


Now sit down in front of your orion, snarly dave. Amaze yourself.

I do that quite frequently, Leonid.

Herr Robust, you need to get some radio technology EDUCATION.

In the KH2D gentle way of beginning such, here's a basic formula to
memorize: E = I * R where E is voltage, I is current, R is resistance.

Got that? No? Too complex for you? It's very, very basic law.

Fella named Ohm came up with that. Lot's of others accept it...does
not have to be explained by Ten-Tec on their website.

That's just the beginning. We can work on components of radios
later, all the amazing things that happen behind the front panel using
L and C and things called "transistors" and "integrated circuits!"

Isn't that something, though! "Magic" happens when you move knobs
and switches in the correct way. Electrons can do your bidding and
create fields and waves in free space!

Did you know that others have made actual electronic surrogates for
adding machines and calculators? Yes! A long time ago, even before
WW2 in Ohio, courtesy of John Atanasoff (forgive me if I spelled it
wrong, John, you are not a Hun). I even have one on my watch! That
watch has no moving parts and tells time very accurately.

Well, here's the most amazing magic of all: Others have found ways
to combine those electronic calculators and "magical" radios. Those
are called "SDR" or Software Defined Radios!" Memorize the word
"software" in that acronym. Learn the difference soft versus firm.

Yes, it's true! In the office here is a "radio clock," no moving parts,
battery powered, that tunes itself in to WWVB after midnight, corrects
itself if necessary according to NIST's prime time standard, gives the
date, day, compensates for leap years, even the "leap second" and
(additionally) tells the office temperature! Sunnavagun. All that and
the display doesn't have to glow!

That one is big, easy to read from anywhere in the room, have had it
for a year. There's a smaller one in the other room, had that for three
years, does everything except for the room temperature. Each one
cost less than $30. No moving parts. No controls need be touched
to be accurate to within one second every day. No license needed,
no morse code required to have one or use one!

A little microcontroller inside each radio clock is the heart; a quartz
crystal is the heartbeat and NIST's atomic standard of time and
Boulder Colorado transmitter is the pacemaker. You know how to
program a microcontroller, snarly dave? I do. We can work on your
learning basic computerstuff later...first you have to master radio
technology (a snap since you've passed your 20 WPM morse test).

Later, much much later, you can approach basic programming and
its application to SDRs of the future. Note: There's a little micro-
controller at the heart of nearly every over-the-counter ham radio
today. Has "magic" in it...but later we will discover that it isn't
any legerdemain, just some digital logic arranged in a logical way
so that imagination and innovation can be used to make that micro-
controller do your bidding!

Just think. The future has promise for you. Not only can you expand
your efforts at trying to make people do your bidding, but you can
make electronics do your bidding also! Another heaven for radio
gods and control freaks!

Now, you just set yourself down in front of your orion (named for the
mythical but mighty hunter) and imagine what you can do in the
future. Once you learn some basics. Lots of basics. Remember
that electrons don't care squat about all your pretty certificates or
years as an amateur anything, cannot be influenced by human
emotions or egos, will only obey THEIR laws, not those of the ARRL.
Excuse me, FCC. Success is yours ahead. Just not at the rate
you are going.

[the offer on the bier is still there...can you take that lying down?]

LHA / WMD

(William) wrote in message . com...
Mike Coslo wrote in message ...
N2EY wrote:

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

Carl will be very upset you put *this* idea in people minds too! ;^)


Carl has expressed his disdain for the concept of skilled radio operators here.
Look up some of his posts under his old call (WA6VSE) and phrases such as
"electronic paintball wars" "stomp into the dust" "wetware modem" "emulate a
modem" "better modes and modulations"....



I wonder where Carl is lately? Haven't heard from him since he had the
change of heart regarding the testing.

- Mike KB3EIA -


Mike, speaking of a change of heart testing, check this out:

--------------------
(William) wrote in message . com...
(William) wrote in message . com...
(William) wrote in message . com...
(N2EY) wrote in message ...
In article ,
(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) writes:
Morse Code endorsement required for opera-
tion in lower 100kHz of any band.

Bad idea. Acts as a disincentive to use CW and digital modes, and as an
incentive to use voice only!

Ahem, The Amateur Formerly Known As Rev. Jim, we've had that very same
or greater disincentive since 1912.

Why is it NOW a problem?
---------------------

Almost makes you want to think!

Like I said, almost.

bb

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Dave Heil confused in the
east...and north...and south writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Dave Heil

trying to go for the jugular but getting only a juggler writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article ,

(N2EY)
writes:

The FDA grades ham.

...leaving you to handle the degrading.

I only degrade the biodegradeable amateurs in here.

We're each biodegradable, Leonard.

You know, the Few, the Overly-Proud, the (white) Men of the
Amateur Copse waving in the breeze of their own unoriginality
bravely holding to the standards and practices of 1930s
amateurisms but bragging they are state of the art by buying
the latest radio toy designed by someone else and built by
someone else and thinking they are potential Nobel laureates
for doing so.

A few questions (DEMANDS) of you, Leona:

What constitutes "Overly-Proud" and why is the term capitalized?

Do you consider yourself to be of a racial group other than white?

Do you know of anyone who has indicated that hethinks of himself as a
Nobel laureate because he bought a radio transceiver which is unequalled
in amateur radio equipment?

You biodegradeables get your jollies not by operating them radio
toys so much as acting like you are radio gods in here and
snarling degredations at others who don't have your lofty
opinions. Worse yet, you aren't even original in your perjoratives.

You're biodegradable, Len. Your definition of "radio god" seems to be
"one who is not in agreement with the views of Leonard H. Anderson".
How do you determine from reading lines of typed characters, when
someone is snarling? Are you snarling when you post here? Do you hold
"lofty" opinions? How do you determine when the opinions of others are
"lofty"?

Didn't you forget my claim that I was going to invent anti-gravity?

Haven't heard of that one. Don't worry too much though. It can't make
you look any more foolish than your "Extra right out of the box" claim.

Said that once before. You can find it in Google (you were going to
cut and paste everything I ever wrote before in here...that will be
included).

I never wrote that I intended bringing back all of your material. Most
of it wasn't that good the first time.

I'm still working on anti-gravity. Something is holding me down, though.

So you said earlier. Your purloined lines weren't very funny the first
time.

Now sit down in front of your orion, snarly dave. Amaze yourself.

I do that quite frequently, Leonid.

Herr Robust, you need to get some radio technology EDUCATION.

....and YOU'RE JUST THE GUY to give it to me, I'll bet.

(much of your crap snipped because it was, well, crap)

Success is yours ahead. Just not at the rate
you are going.

Amateur radio success has been mine for over 40 years now. Would you
like to ruminate on your liklihood of joining the fun on the ham bands,
given the rate you are going?

Dave K8MN

In article , Dave Heil robust oberst auf das
sandbox writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Dave Heil

writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Dave Heil confused in the
east...and north...and south writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Dave Heil

trying to go for the jugular but getting only a juggler writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article ,

(N2EY)
writes:

The FDA grades ham.

...leaving you to handle the degrading.

I only degrade the biodegradeable amateurs in here.

We're each biodegradable, Leonard.

No, I don't think so. You got the formaldehyde before assuming
room temperature.

Dr. Frankenstein would be proud...he created a Ham Monster!

"...it's Alive! It's Alive!...it beeped morse code!"

[from an unpublished Mary Shelley manuscript] :-)


(much of your crap snipped because it was, well, crap)

Right, straight talk from a Newington Charm School dropout.

See 97.1 (e), something about "good will" and "uniqueness."

What next? Shouts of "Drop and give me twenty, maggot?"

The gunnery nurse have a cue-so with you or something?


Amateur radio success has been mine for over 40 years now.

Wonderful.

Any time soon you will be ready to be a true professional. With
another forty years of radio theory study, that is...

Keep up the good work.

Temper fry!

LHA / WMD

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...

After having commited himself in public with the assertion "I am
only here to civilly debate the Morse Code test issue, Leonard H.
Anderson embarrassed his family name with the following:

In article , Dave Heil robust oberst auf das
sandbox writes:

No, I don't think so. You got the formaldehyde before assuming
room temperature.

Dr. Frankenstein would be proud...he created a Ham Monster!

"...it's Alive! It's Alive!...it beeped morse code!"

[from an unpublished Mary Shelley manuscript] :-)

(much of your crap snipped because it was, well, crap)

Right, straight talk from a Newington Charm School dropout.

See 97.1 (e), something about "good will" and "uniqueness."

What next? Shouts of "Drop and give me twenty, maggot?"

The gunnery nurse have a cue-so with you or something?

Amateur radio success has been mine for over 40 years now.

Wonderful.

Any time soon you will be ready to be a true professional. With
another forty years of radio theory study, that is...

Keep up the good work.

Temper fry!

Not that we're surprised.

Leonard H. Anderson is a known pathological liar with a penchant
for overstated accomplishments in radio communication and blatant lies
about the character of his military service.

Just another day on RRAP for him.

Steve, K4YZ