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writes: JJ wrote in news: : William wrote: Hah, funny one. I've seen amateur towers fall over. It can be months or years if they're ever replaced at all. Even if my tower should fall over, I can string up antennas and be back on the air in hours of not minutes. Can you do that with your cell phone? Of course he can't Cell phones need towers to operate? My wife and I keep our cell phone in the car's glove compartment. Hasn't fallen yet. :-) However, if there's a NEED to operate on HF from a disaster area, I'd rather depend on an Army National Guardsman walking into it carrying an AN/PRC-104 HF transceiver. No tower needed. Whip antenna is tuned by a built-in automatic antenna coupler anywhere in the HF spectrum. Thousands of them operational since before 1986. LHA / WMD |
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JJ wrote in news: : William wrote: Hah, funny one. I've seen amateur towers fall over. It can be months or years if they're ever replaced at all. Even if my tower should fall over, I can string up antennas and be back on the air in hours of not minutes. Can you do that with your cell phone? Of course he can't You mean if the little antenna falls off a cellular telephone, I can't replace it with a paper clip? Did the laws of physics change? |
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Alun wrote in message . .. JJ wrote in news: : William wrote: Hah, funny one. I've seen amateur towers fall over. It can be months or years if they're ever replaced at all. Even if my tower should fall over, I can string up antennas and be back on the air in hours of not minutes. Can you do that with your cell phone? Of course he can't You mean if the little antenna falls off a cellular telephone, I can't replace it with a paper clip? Did the laws of physics change? No they did not, which means those cell towers can fall over as well. Your paper clip isn't going to help much when the cell tower is out of commission. Think you can communicate with you little cell phone if the tower is down? As Alun stated, hams don't need a tower, a tall tree, from the apex of the roof, just any support that will get the antenna up in the air and we are back on. Not so with your cell phone, if the tower is down (dosen't even have to be physically down, just off the air) and your cell phone makes a good paper weight. |
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JJ wrote in news: : William wrote: Hah, funny one. I've seen amateur towers fall over. It can be months or years if they're ever replaced at all. Even if my tower should fall over, I can string up antennas and be back on the air in hours of not minutes. Can you do that with your cell phone? Of course he can't And even if he could he wouldn't know who to get authorization from to operate! Steve, K4YZ |
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The Law of Imagination keeps changing all the time, all the Believers thinking they are radio minutemen defending ignorant savage civilians against the elements of disaster. Every ham a hero! :-) Not every ham lennyboy, but some have been. You ever been? I thought not. No go tell the nurse you need your diaper changed and you will be ready for your afternoon nappy. |
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William wrote: Alun wrote in message . .. JJ wrote in news: : William wrote: Hah, funny one. I've seen amateur towers fall over. It can be months or years if they're ever replaced at all. Even if my tower should fall over, I can string up antennas and be back on the air in hours of not minutes. Can you do that with your cell phone? Of course he can't You mean if the little antenna falls off a cellular telephone, I can't replace it with a paper clip? Did the laws of physics change? No they did not, which means those cell towers can fall over as well. Your paper clip isn't going to help much when the cell tower is out of commission. Think you can communicate with you little cell phone if the tower is down? I'll make a tiny yagi. It will reach the next tower. That is, unless the laws of physics has changed. As Alun stated, hams don't need a tower, a tall tree, from the apex of the roof, just any support that will get the antenna up in the air and we are back on. Riiight! Different law of physics again. Not so with your cell phone, if the tower is down (dosen't even have to be physically down, just off the air) and your cell phone makes a good paper weight. And when your ham radio goes off the air? Is it a good paper weight? |
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(William) wrote in message om... (Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message . com... (William) wrote in message . com... Tell us how it turns out. Best of luck. Ohhhh noooooo, Brain! I wouldn't have it any other way! Nurses before gentlemen. And in my case I have the distinct Honor of being both...Ergo I defer to you, as BOTH a gentleman AND a Nurse would. No, you only have the honor of being a Nurse. You are the very definition of ungentlemanly. |
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In article , (William) writes: (Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message .com... Alun wrote in message . .. In one way he does have a point. What I am alluding to is that prcisely because it is a hobby we all have thousands of bucks worth of radios lying around, and we can use them without wires and cell phone towers. The "point" Lennie it trying to make us believe, Alun, is that Amateur Radio is ONLY for any reason OTHER than recreation...That's not true. Really? I don't see that at all. Brian, the psychotic don't see things the same way that rational humans such as you, Alun, and I do. You shouldn't be so quick to bring Alun down to your level, Lennie. Opposing opinions aside, he's polite, respectful, and thoughtful in his words...All things that you are anything but... The gunnery nurse is stuck, wedged in his emotional rut of anger and rage over long-ago perceived personal insults to his opinions and statements. As the result all he can do is shout and holler and egregiously denigrate his critics over the slightest hint of disapproval. Nope. I don't tolerate liars and bullies. You are both. In his mental world amateur radio has substituted for "the corps" and he must traverse all routes between the halls of Montezuma and the shores of Tripoli, marching to the beat of olde-tyme tradition and demanding strict and utter obeyance of the "gunny" in a hobby activity. That is an absolute and cannot be otherwise. Hardly an "absolute", Lennie...But it seems to make you feel better about yourself to think that it's so...So have a it! That is also quite a bit sick. But, other amateurs allow his presence, even with implications of "praise" for his exhortations and pejorations. That implies some impurity of those others. "Praise"...?!?! Hardly. I know they'd rather I just not respond to your lying, decietful rhetoric on the outside chance that you'd tire and go away. I prefer to keep rubbing your nose in your obvious errors and mistruths, thereby blunting the negativism you try to engender about Amateur Radio. His ulterior motive is to discredit Amateur Radio's countless contributions, not only to the "history" of radio, but to the "service" of the Nation as a resource to be called upon in any number of disasters or emergencies. I'd suggest that you not rest on your laurels. Historically amateur radio has provided an invaluable service to the nation. More recently, more people have turned to cellular telephones to aid them in an emergency. You do the math. The gunnery nurse is still stuck in his obsessive rut and cannot tolerate a reality at odds with his mental fantasy. No less than YOU are stuck in YOUR rut to discredit any contribution Amateur Radio makes. That 100 million cellular telephone subscriptions exist in the USA as of U.S. Census Bureau data for 2003 is irrelevant to the gunnery nurse's fantasy world. He refuses to acknowledge that and focusses solely on himself and his relation to his activities as the only possible "truth." Anything contrary will bring forth a spate of the usual personal insults, spat with exaggerated anger and resentment. The census of the United States as it pertains to cellphone subscribers has nothing to do with the FACT that Amateur Radio continues to be a vibrant, progressive and contributing resource to this nation's ability to respond to emergencies of MANY kinds. That is a fact. The history of all radio has already been and has been documented in many other places besides Newington, CT. The contributions of amateur radio are quite countable, not so numerous as to be labeled "uncountable." The countable contributions - in the majority - all happened well before the gunnery nurse's life experience began. OK, Lennie... Since YOU seem to think the contributions of Amateur Radio are a finite, "countable" figure, let's see YOU do it...! He's unable to do that, either, but he obviously believes that if he keeps repeating it often enough perhaps he and he alone can re-write 90 years of history. Recounting documented reality is not a "rewrite" of anything. YOUR "recounting" is contrary to numerous archived tellings, Lennie. That is directly due to your desire to see any reference to Amateur Radio considered as insignificant or irrelevent for your own satisfaction. ALL radio is only 108 years old. The ARRL was organized in 1914 as a local New England radio club primarily interested in "relaying" telegraphic messages privately instead of using commercial telegram services. As a late-comer in U.S. national radio clubs (the Radio Club of America was organized 5 years before the ARRL and still exists today) it began to have dreams of greatness. But, the ARRL membership is still less than a quarter of all licensed U.S. radio amateurs. Their "greatness" seems to be a self-definition. The use of "90" years is indicative of the mental tunnel vision and absolute Belief in the ARRL as the source, the oracle of All in radio. When the ARRL was first organized, "radio" was already 18 years old, having been demonstrated as a communications means in both Italy and Russia in 1896. I said nothing of the ARRL in my reference to the "ballpark" figure of 90 years of Amateur Radio. More than one historical reference on the matter makes that number about the same. I am sure YOU have so "exact" date when Amateur Radio as an entity came to be...?!?! And thank you for demonstrating your OWN rut of ARRL-bashing. Get over the glory of our history. Mike Powell asks, "What has amateur radio done for me lately?" That is really for another thread, Brian, even though both of us do not look with favor upon Chairman Powell. The gunnery nurse MUST wrap himself in the patriotic bunting and mythical glory of his corps-substitute. That is evidenciary in all the psychotic behavior shown in here over the past years. To him it seems not a hobby but a lifestyle, a "service" lacking only a common uniform. All must follow his personal patriotism or be villified forever and ever. He wastes our time. Hardly. I simply use MY time to provide a balance to the lies, misrepresentations and Amateur Radio bashing that you seem leather-bent on lavishing upon this forum YOUR time is wasted by not researching your facts, posting material and opinions that are easily refuted with even the most circumspect of effort, and your insistance on the liberal use of obviously inciteful, hurtful and demeaning epithets and profanities. So...if your time is being wasted, it's you doing the wasting...not me. Steve, K4YZ |
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(Len Over 21) wrote in message ... He wastes our time. Hardly. I simply use MY time to provide a balance to the lies, misrepresentations and Amateur Radio bashing that you seem leather-bent on lavishing upon this forum YOUR time is wasted by not researching your facts, posting material and opinions that are easily refuted with even the most circumspect of effort, and your insistance on the liberal use of obviously inciteful, hurtful and demeaning epithets and profanities. So...if your time is being wasted, it's you doing the wasting...not me. Steve, K4YZ Hardly. You're a huge waste of time, Don Quixoteroberson. It's that self-inflicted stupidity similar to what ails Dave. Accept it. The truth will change your life. |
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(William) wrote in message . com... Thomas Jefferson said the only legitimate purpose of a federal government was the protection of it's citizens. That purpose has now changed to job creation and the department of education. Thomas Jefferson, as enlightened and as forward looking as he may have been, could have hardly envisioned the United States as it exists today. True. He would vomit blood at the welfare state that we have become. That does not negate the very necessary contribution that ham radio made to a major emergency in a current situation. That does not negate the very necessary contribution that cellular telephones made to a major emergency in a current situation. You keep trying to avoid the very real truth that Amateur Radio STILL fills a need, even in these early days of the 21st century. I accept that. However, what I find amusing is that you and Dee cannot accept that other forms of communications are fast eclipsing amateur radio as a means of portable emergency communications. These facts are not from some ARRL source...these assertions come from a plethora of govenmental, public and private agencies who have benefitted from the contributions of Amateur Radio and have expressed the intent to continue to include Amateur Radio in thier plans and programs. And cell phones. Phones and comms did go out in some areas here. Ham radio turned out to be a valuable asset. Power went out north of here. Other than power, there were no reports of comms going out. Do you have a newspaper clipping detailing the comm outages? How about SITREP's from OES/EMA's detailing Amateur Radio involvement? You'll have to ask Dee. Just becasue the papers don't name each and every resource employed in an emergency doesn't mean they weren't involved. That's a LennieRant tactic that any 3rd grader can see through. And you're entirely up to the task. Congrats? Did you say that cell phones played no role in providing communications during the east coast power outage? Did you say that cell sites don't have emergency backup generators? C'mon, third grader, explain cell phones from of the picture. Tell us that cell phones played NO role? Amateur Radio's contributions in emergencies does NOT exist solely "when the comms are down". C'mon, third grader, show us where I stated that. You and Dee simply cannot accept that an unlicensed service has played a major role in emergency comms. Were you two colleagues in third grade??? |
"William" wrote in message You and Dee simply cannot accept that an unlicensed service has played a major role in emergency comms. I have never refused to accept the role of unlicensed services but I do not let that blind me to the fact that amateur radio continues to play a significant role. You are the one who cannot accept the fact that amateur radio continues to play a major rule in emergency comms. My position is and has always been that we need as many different forms of communication as possible. No one can predict what services will or will not be knocked out in the next emergency. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message gy.com...
"William" wrote in message You and Dee simply cannot accept that an unlicensed service has played a major role in emergency comms. I have never refused to accept the role of unlicensed services but I do not let that blind me to the fact that amateur radio continues to play a significant role. You are the one who cannot accept the fact that amateur radio continues to play a major rule in emergency comms. My position is and has always been that we need as many different forms of communication as possible. No one can predict what services will or will not be knocked out in the next emergency. Actually, Dee, his "unlicensed services" frame is awfully narrow. Only Class D CB, MURS and FRS are "unlicensed". Cellphones are NOT a "radio service" as defined by any FCC part...they are a FEE-FOR-SERVICE provided by common carriers who are, indeed, licensed services providing that fee-for-service. Every one of those carriers has a plethora of callsigns issued for thier services. You,a cellphone "subscriber" are using your telephone under the auspices of thier license. There are some REACT groups remaining who continue to monitor Class D CB to some degree, but most REACT groups participating in organized "public service" events use GMRS which still requires an FCC-issued station license. FRS is used mostly as a "wireless intercom" within disaster shelters or extremely close areas, NOT as a "major role" in providing disaster relief communications. And I am sure that MURS radios may be used in some areas just as FRS is, but for no more than FRS is. Brain's assertion that "unlicensed" services play a "major role" in "emergency comms" is absolutely assinine. He'll wallow around in this one for a long time to come trying to justify his claims and will come out of it looking just as foolish as he has for his other "claims". I am sure his "definition" of "major role" is far from what REAL IC's consider a "major role". The "unlicensed services" play no more than a "bit part"...a "cameo" at best. So Brain...what "major role" do "unlicensed services" play...?!?! 73 Steve, K4YZ |
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(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message . com... (William) wrote in message . com... Thomas Jefferson, as enlightened and as forward looking as he may have been, could have hardly envisioned the United States as it exists today. True. He would vomit blood at the welfare state that we have become. WHOA, BillyB! You at once espouse making Amateur Radio a "once-size-fits-all" radio service, then make reference to a "welfare state"...?!?! Nice turn-about there! Get whiplash making that turn...?!?! You keep trying to avoid the very real truth that Amateur Radio STILL fills a need, even in these early days of the 21st century. I accept that. However, what I find amusing is that you and Dee cannot accept that other forms of communications are fast eclipsing amateur radio as a means of portable emergency communications. I have NEVER, in this forum or any other, refused to acknowledged that other radio, wireline, or other common carrier services provide any other means of "portable emergency communications". I challenge you to prove otherwise. What I HAVE stated in this and other forums is that Amateur Radio CONTINUES to provide a necessary and almost irreplaceable asset. NO OTHER RADIO SERVICE provides the flexibility and utility that Amateur Radio does. I challenge you to prove THAT otherwise, also. These facts are not from some ARRL source...these assertions come from a plethora of govenmental, public and private agencies who have benefitted from the contributions of Amateur Radio and have expressed the intent to continue to include Amateur Radio in thier plans and programs. And cell phones. How well does a cellphone operate without a functioning cellsite, Brain? Please DISPROVE ANYTHING I have said about Amateur Radio's role. I have NEVER said anything even CLOSE to the idea that we're the only game in town. Quite the contrary. I HAVE said we provide a service to those who make the plans and need the help. Phones and comms did go out in some areas here. Ham radio turned out to be a valuable asset. Power went out north of here. Other than power, there were no reports of comms going out. Do you have a newspaper clipping detailing the comm outages? How about SITREP's from OES/EMA's detailing Amateur Radio involvement? You'll have to ask Dee. I am asking you. Just becasue the papers don't name each and every resource employed in an emergency doesn't mean they weren't involved. That's a LennieRant tactic that any 3rd grader can see through. And you're entirely up to the task. Congrats? Did you say that cell phones played no role in providing communications during the east coast power outage? Absolutely not. You'll please quote the post wherein I made such an assertion, Brain...?!?! Did you say that cell sites don't have emergency backup generators? Absolutely not. You'll please quote the post wherein I made such an assertion, Brain...?!?! C'mon, third grader, explain cell phones from of the picture. Tell us that cell phones played NO role? WHERE do you GET such assinine insinuations, Brain...?!?! I have NEVER made ANY SUCH ASSERTION! Amateur Radio's contributions in emergencies does NOT exist solely "when the comms are down". C'mon, third grader, show us where I stated that. From above: Power went out north of here. Other than power, there were no reports of comms going out. Do you have a newspaper clipping detailing the comm outages? The INSINUATION you make here is VERY clear...in YOUR estimation, the "comms" had to be "down" in order for Amateur Radio to have played a role in "emergency comms". "Emergency comms" are NOT only when the wires are down or the cell site destroyed, Brain. Perhaps if you were actively involved in the programs of some disaster mitigation agency you might have a better insight as to what Amateur Radio's OTHER roles are...?!?! You and Dee simply cannot accept that an unlicensed service has played a major role in emergency comms. What "unlicensed service"...?!?! CB? FRS? MURS? Part 15 compliant devices? Cellphones are a "fee-for-service" provided by the common carriers under the auspices of THIER licenses. Were you two colleagues in third grade??? Perhaps.. I knew a "Dee" in gradeschool, however I doubt we were classmates. On the otherhand we both seem to acknowledge that Amateur Radio plays a PART in emergency communications, and that PART is acknowledged and incorporated by almost every major disaster mitigation organization in the United States, including FEMA, The Red Cross, The Salvation Army, the Department of Defense, the Department of State, most state's OES's, etc etc etc. Unless, of course, you have evidence to the contrary...?!?! Steve, K4YZ |
"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message gy.com...
"William" wrote in message You and Dee simply cannot accept that an unlicensed service has played a major role in emergency comms. I have never refused to accept the role of unlicensed services but I do not let that blind me to the fact that amateur radio continues to play a significant role. You are the one who cannot accept the fact that amateur radio continues to play a major rule in emergency comms. My position is and has always been that we need as many different forms of communication as possible. No one can predict what services will or will not be knocked out in the next emergency. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE I too think that multiple forms of communications are the best bet when the chips are down. But cell phones sure are playing a much larger role than amateur radio in emergency communications. |
In article m, "Dee D. Flint"
writes: "William" wrote in message You and Dee simply cannot accept that an unlicensed service has played a major role in emergency comms. I have never refused to accept the role of unlicensed services but I do not let that blind me to the fact that amateur radio continues to play a significant role. Define "significant role." That's an emotionally-loaded indefinite adjective designed to state an opinion rather than any quanitifed value. It is very useful to membership organizations in trying to get new members by appeals to their personal need for recognition. You are the one who cannot accept the fact that amateur radio continues to play a major rule in emergency comms. Such as...? Define "major role" by general terms of reference, NOT from the League's point of view. Go to any newspaper or broadcasting archive and research the above assertation before stating it again (incorrectly). Amateur radio COULD play a major role and it MIGHT do so at some future time. It just hasn't done so in the mass media. My position is and has always been that we need as many different forms of communication as possible. That is very true. That has also been used as a rationale to continue morse code testing for U.S. radio amateurs. According to the tRoll yodelings in here, morse code has been the base rock, the cornerstone of his imaginary world of "emergencies." No one can predict what services will or will not be knocked out in the next emergency. That INCLUDES amateur radio. Try to remember that last sentence in FULL reality. LHA / WMD |
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"Steve Robeson, K4CAP" wrote in message m... (William) wrote in message . com... (Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message . com... (William) wrote in message . com... Were you two colleagues in third grade??? Perhaps.. I knew a "Dee" in gradeschool, however I doubt we were classmates. Not unless you went to 3rd grade in Andrew, Iowa or Elwood, Iowa. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message om...
(William) wrote in message . com... (Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message . com... (William) wrote in message . com... Thomas Jefferson, as enlightened and as forward looking as he may have been, could have hardly envisioned the United States as it exists today. True. He would vomit blood at the welfare state that we have become. WHOA, BillyB! You at once espouse making Amateur Radio a "once-size-fits-all" radio service, then make reference to a "welfare state"...?!?! Nice turn-about there! Get whiplash making that turn...?!?! You see, TJ liked the government that governed the least. He was part of the war against arbitrary and unnecessary government tyranny. You keep trying to avoid the very real truth that Amateur Radio STILL fills a need, even in these early days of the 21st century. I accept that. However, what I find amusing is that you and Dee cannot accept that other forms of communications are fast eclipsing amateur radio as a means of portable emergency communications. I have NEVER, in this forum or any other, refused to acknowledged that other radio, wireline, or other common carrier services provide any other means of "portable emergency communications". I challenge you to prove otherwise. You sure seemed to be doing a good job of it above. Thanks for coming clean and acknowledging that cellular telephones have played a huge role in emergency response communications. What I HAVE stated in this and other forums is that Amateur Radio CONTINUES to provide a necessary and almost irreplaceable asset. To the exclusion of all other communications means. At least until you posted the above. NO OTHER RADIO SERVICE provides the flexibility and utility that Amateur Radio does. You're simply wrong on that one. Amateur radio does not offer the flexibility and utility that cellular telephones provide. I challenge you to prove THAT otherwise, also. Challenges, challenges, challenges! That's a part of your problem, Don Quixoterobeson. Always making challenges. These facts are not from some ARRL source...these assertions come from a plethora of govenmental, public and private agencies who have benefitted from the contributions of Amateur Radio and have expressed the intent to continue to include Amateur Radio in thier plans and programs. And cell phones. How well does a cellphone operate without a functioning cellsite, Brain? Don, if you can say my cell site is dead, I can say your ham radio is dead. Please DISPROVE ANYTHING I have said about Amateur Radio's role. Just did. I have NEVER said anything even CLOSE to the idea that we're the only game in town. Quite the contrary. You omit any discussion that any other radio service or common carrier can provide emergency comms. That is a form of lying. I HAVE said we provide a service to those who make the plans and need the help. Until the emergency happens, you don't know who your customer might be or if you can provide a service to him or her. Unless your emergencies are always predictable, in which case they are not emergencies. Phones and comms did go out in some areas here. Ham radio turned out to be a valuable asset. Power went out north of here. Other than power, there were no reports of comms going out. Do you have a newspaper clipping detailing the comm outages? How about SITREP's from OES/EMA's detailing Amateur Radio involvement? You'll have to ask Dee. I am asking you. You'll have to ask Dee. Just becasue the papers don't name each and every resource employed in an emergency doesn't mean they weren't involved. That's a LennieRant tactic that any 3rd grader can see through. And you're entirely up to the task. Congrats? Did you say that cell phones played no role in providing communications during the east coast power outage? Absolutely not. You'll please quote the post wherein I made such an assertion, Brain...?!?! Just making a clarification. So you do say that cellular telephones played a major role in the 9/11 attacks and in the summer power outages? Did you say that cell sites don't have emergency backup generators? Absolutely not. You'll please quote the post wherein I made such an assertion, Brain...?!?! Just making a clarification. So you do say that cellular sites are capable of operating in an emergency? C'mon, third grader, explain cell phones from of the picture. Tell us that cell phones played NO role? WHERE do you GET such assinine insinuations, Brain...?!?! I have NEVER made ANY SUCH ASSERTION! Just making a clarification. Just trying to get your non-verbals on paper. Amateur Radio's contributions in emergencies does NOT exist solely "when the comms are down". C'mon, third grader, show us where I stated that. From above: Power went out north of here. Other than power, there were no reports of comms going out. Do you have a newspaper clipping detailing the comm outages? The INSINUATION you make here is VERY clear...in YOUR estimation, the "comms" had to be "down" in order for Amateur Radio to have played a role in "emergency comms". "Emergency comms" are NOT only when the wires are down or the cell site destroyed, Brain. JJ thinks they are. My cell site is always down, his ham radio is always up. That is the picture he paints. Perhaps if you were actively involved in the programs of some disaster mitigation agency you might have a better insight as to what Amateur Radio's OTHER roles are...?!?! I was a MARS volunteer and BST member. I have no problem with that concept. But there sure are a lot of DP planners running around with cellular telephones nowadays. You and Dee simply cannot accept that an unlicensed service has played a major role in emergency comms. What "unlicensed service"...?!?! CB? FRS? MURS? Part 15 compliant devices? Sure. Why not? Cellphones are a "fee-for-service" provided by the common carriers under the auspices of THIER licenses. THIER? Were you two colleagues in third grade??? Perhaps.. I knew a "Dee" in gradeschool, however I doubt we were classmates. On the otherhand we both seem to acknowledge that Amateur Radio plays a PART in emergency communications, and that PART is acknowledged and incorporated by almost every major disaster mitigation organization in the United States, including FEMA, The Red Cross, The Salvation Army, the Department of Defense, the Department of State, most state's OES's, etc etc etc. Unless, of course, you have evidence to the contrary...?!?! Steve, K4YZ I'm just so happy that you finally acknowledged that mere cell phones play a major role in disaster communications. Or did you? |
Witless William wrote:
JJ thinks they are. My cell site is always down, his ham radio is always up. That is the picture he paints. Please show us where I made those statements. |
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I'm just so happy that you finally acknowledged that mere cell phones play a major role in disaster communications. Or did you? Sure they have and can, but when the cell network is down, ham radio will be there if needed. |
"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message gy.com...
Not unless you went to 3rd grade in Andrew, Iowa or Elwood, Iowa. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE I went to Mickey's Razzle Dazzle in Council Bluffs, IA. |
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William wrote: JJ thinks they are. My cell site is always down, his ham radio is always up. That is the picture he paints. Please show us where I made those statements. See your second post , this subject. |
Witless Willie wrote:
JJ wrote in message ... William wrote: JJ thinks they are. My cell site is always down, his ham radio is always up. That is the picture he paints. Please show us where I made those statements. See your second post , this subject. Your still hallucinating, I have never stated that your's or anyone else's cell is always down, but I can say that I have never been without ham radio capability. |
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"William" wrote in message m... Just making a clarification. So you do say that cellular telephones played a major role in the 9/11 attacks and in the summer power outages? It is a documented fact that the cell phones were all but useless to handle the emergency communication needs during 9/11. Too many of the towers had been on top of the World Trade Center buildings. Those calls that did get through took over 30 minutes to do so, which is a real problem in handling emergency communications. In the power outage of August 2003, I personally experienced the erratic availability of cell phones. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
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Witless Willie wrote: JJ wrote in message ... William wrote: JJ thinks they are. My cell site is always down, his ham radio is always up. That is the picture he paints. Please show us where I made those statements. See your second post , this subject. Your still hallucinating, I have never stated that your's or anyone else's cell is always down, but I can say that I have never been without ham radio capability. You lie. You were w/o ham capability prior to becoming licensed. See below for your other malstatements. --------------------------------------------- From: JJ ) Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service View this article only Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy Date: 2004-03-11 20:23:50 PST And witless William also wrote: I'm just so happy that you finally acknowledged that mere cell phones play a major role in disaster communications. Or did you? Sure they have and can, but when the cell network is down, ham radio will be there if needed. Post a follow-up to this message |
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In article , (William) writes: "Dee D. Flint" wrote in message igy.com... "William" wrote in message You and Dee simply cannot accept that an unlicensed service has played a major role in emergency comms. I have never refused to accept the role of unlicensed services but I do not let that blind me to the fact that amateur radio continues to play a significant role. You are the one who cannot accept the fact that amateur radio continues to play a major rule in emergency comms. My position is and has always been that we need as many different forms of communication as possible. No one can predict what services will or will not be knocked out in the next emergency. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE I too think that multiple forms of communications are the best bet when the chips are down. But cell phones sure are playing a much larger role than amateur radio in emergency communications. Brian, reminding folks that 100 MILLION cell phone subscriptions have been taken out in the USA is not a valid fact to Believers. 100,000,000 cellular telephones cannot possibly compare with the 600,000 introverted (minus nursie) licensed amateurs. All are active, have charged batteries, and backup generators, towers that cannot fall, and electronics that cannot fail. Propofagion always occurs when needed. Believers - those whose only access amateur radio sites and especially that of the League - cannot rid themselves of the urban myth that "cell phones always fail in an emergency." Believers don't believe that any other "radios" except cell phones and amateur radio exist. They don't believe that Public Safety (police, fire, ambulance, etc.) services ever use their radios in emergencies...the "emergency" in their minds seems to be of such a large scale, so devastating that Public Safety agencies are also "down." They don't believe that there are hundreds of thousands of other radios in utility companies, taxicabs, private corporations, private boats, private and commercial aviation can even be used in any emergencies. Believers don't believe that any government agency such as FEMA can use "radio" or acknowledge that such is ever used in any emergency. Believers don't even bother to consider the U.S. military or the various states' National Guards, all of whom have portable or mobile radios, radios designed for survivability and operability in the very harsh environment of warfare. All true. You never worked radio while in the service. Heil never worked radio while in the department of state. I never set up hf intercept, nor did branywine ever tell me to reduce power. It is an evil genius that just made us think we did. Believers only believe in three kinds of radios - amateur, cell phones, and some vague amorphous 'other kind' not specified because they don't know anything about all those 'other kinds.' Believers only believe that "cell phones always go down in emergencies" but amateur radio is always so robust and damage proof that all of them survive and continue to work. Robust - beyond belief. Actually incredible. Believers believe what they are told by the League who seems to always say that "amateur radio was 'significant' in some emergency (or event of occasion)."* The League doesn't define 'significant' since that would take away the emotional loading that makes all League members and other amateurs very proud, warm, and fuzzy...which is what they want to do to increase interest in joining the League to keep getting proud, warm, fuzzy feelings through membership. * the homonymic phrase "played a major role" is sometimes used for similar effect. Also, NASA astronauts who accept getting a ham license as one of the many tasks of having to do required NASA public relations are always labeled as "ham-astronauts" to get folks proud, warm, and fuzzy thinking that they got to be astronauts through their amateur radio license first. All throughout Title 47, Code of Federal Regulations, the word "service" is used as a regulatory term meaning a type and kind of radio activity being regulated. Believers insist that "service" means the same as "a service to the country." They don't acknowledge that amateur radio is basically an avocational pursuit, a hobby, done without pecuniary compensation to enjoy a particular radio activity. No, Believers insist that "they perform a service to the nation" through having a ham hobby, much in the same way the we both served our country in the military. Believers cannot be convinced of reality. Believers are a cult stuck in an imaginary world reinforced by the many words of membership organizations into mythical proportions. Anything said to disturb their pride and warm, fuzzy feelings about their hobby are considered heretical and damnations of their national service. LHA / WMD Yup. |
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Len Over 21 wrote: The Law of Imagination keeps changing all the time, all the Believers thinking they are radio minutemen defending ignorant savage civilians against the elements of disaster. Every ham a hero! :-) Not every ham lennyboy, but some have been. You ever been? I thought not. No go tell the nurse you need your diaper changed and you will be ready for your afternoon nappy. You're quite disrespectful of a radio veteran. |
Len Over 21 wrote:
In article , (William) writes: "Dee D. Flint" wrote in message igy.com... Not unless you went to 3rd grade in Andrew, Iowa or Elwood, Iowa. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE I went to Mickey's Razzle Dazzle in Council Bluffs, IA. Wasn't Mr. Foreign Service Dave assigned to the Amana Colonies? :-) More civil discussion of morse code testing, Leonardo? I had six Foreign Service overseas assignments. You were no more involved with them than you are involved with amateur radio. Dave K8MN |
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writes: I had six Foreign Service overseas assignments. Okay, so you were NOT assigned to the Amana Colonies. Well, you wouldn't have been "DX" to the states... :-) There's no microwave action in the Amana Colonies...thsoe are all done in Mexico. The rest is a gas! :-) LHA / WMD |
"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message gy.com...
Not unless you went to 3rd grade in Andrew, Iowa or Elwood, Iowa. Nope....Streetsboro, Ohio...Hard to believe it's been as long as it has...Seems like only yesterday. The school was so new that for the first two weeks we were there we ahd to walk arond guys laying linoleum tiles still... Whew... 73 Steve, K4YZ |
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In article , (William) writes: JJ wrote in message ... Not every ham lennyboy, but some have been. You ever been? I thought not. No go tell the nurse you need your diaper changed and you will be ready for your afternoon nappy. You're quite disrespectful of a radio veteran. That's how teenagers have always been... LHA / WMD And some of those that just got out of third grade yesterday. |
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(William) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , (William) writes: JJ wrote in message ... Not every ham lennyboy, but some have been. You ever been? I thought not. No go tell the nurse you need your diaper changed and you will be ready for your afternoon nappy. You're quite disrespectful of a radio veteran. That's how teenagers have always been... LHA / WMD And some of those that just got out of third grade yesterday. ...and are probably teen agers, too... :-) LHA / WMD |
William wrote:
You lie. You were w/o ham capability prior to becoming licensed. It would be obvious to anyone with more than three working brain cells that the statement applies to the period in which I hold a valid ham radio operator's license. |
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