Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (William)
Date: 3/30/2004 7:43 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...

Acting on recommendations from APCO (Lennie can tell you who THEY
are...)
it was encouraged that the national emergency number be depicted as three
discreet numbers, ie: 9-1-1. Please refer to the logo on almost any
emergency
vehicle in the United States.

If it would be any easier for you, I can use 9.1.1., but there are no
periods on the phone either.

Steve, K4YZ

Why do you insist on inserting superfluous characters in the string?

So...the recommendation of one of this nation's most respected professional
communicators association is, in YOUR estimation, "superflous"...?!?!

Maybe that's why we "lovingly" call you "Brain"...as in lack of...

Probably the same reason why you insisted the FCC keep superfluous
requirements in amateur radio testing.

What's "superflous"...?!?!

If you mean Morse Code testing, neither you nor Lennie have shown me where
the Morse Code is "superflous" to Amateur Radio practice.

Do you enjoy being wrong so often?

So far, the only thing I've done "wrong" is to mention some parts of my
military servcie where it was not pertinent...My bad.

As far as Morse Code utilization in the Amateur Radio Service goes, I
wholeheartedly recommend that YOU take some time to cruise the narrowband parts
of the HF Amateur allocations.

Has this become a part-time job for you?

Doesn't pay much, does it?

You mean getting to rub your nose in your lies, Brain?

It's worth it just to see you fidgit and tap-dance around your own
silliness.

Steve, K4YZ

PS...For what I make in my "real" job, I can write this off as entertainment!
I ought to send you an IRS form 1099 this year.

Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (William)
Date: 3/30/2004 7:45 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (William)
Date: 3/29/2004 7:44 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

So again, how does the 911 operator with the radio talk to me?

I am sure it's something like "goo goo gaaa gaaa". They are pretty
good at
talking to a person on thier level without talking down to them.

Steve, K4YZ

Typical response of someone who got his tie stuck in his zipper.

How does the 911 operator with the radio talk to me?

Probably the same way the 910 and the 912 operator does.

Why would the 9-1-1 operator WANT to talk to you?

Did YOU initiate the RFS via autopatch? If not, they have nothing to say
to you...9-1-1 operators wait for you to call them, not vice-versa.

And if you DID initiate the call, I imagine they talk to you the same way
they'd talk to me...In English. If you DIDN'T initiate the call, I guess the
9-1-1 operator isn't GOING to talk to you.

I am wondering where you're trying to take this and what point you're
trying to save from all of this spinning, Brain. If you don't initiate the
call, they aren't going to talk to you...REGARDLESS if the call came via
hardline, wireless or Amateur Radio autopatch.

I realize that there's a bit of common sense in that that's hard for you
to assimilate, but it's true.

Steve, K4YZ

William wrote:
(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...

Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (William)
Date: 3/29/2004 7:44 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:



So again, how does the 911 operator with the radio talk to me?

I am sure it's something like "goo goo gaaa gaaa". They are pretty good at
talking to a person on thier level without talking down to them.

Steve, K4YZ


Typical response of someone who got his tie stuck in his zipper.

How does the 911 operator with the radio talk to me?


Brian, for what its worth, in my area, a 9-1-1 call on our repeater is
going to get through more reliably than a cell phone call, and we can
access the repeater in places in which no cell phone is going to get
through. The repeater system covers our county, which is mountainous and
has many area where the nearest cell phone tower is many miles away.

Is this available everywhere? No, it sure isn't. But neither is cell
phone service. But since it is, we use it. If I'm in my area, and I
witness an emergency and NEED to get 9-1-1 immediately, I'll reach for
my HT or mobile rig before I pick up the cell phone.

- Mike KB3EIA -

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Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (William)
Date: 3/29/2004 7:44 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:



So again, how does the 911 operator with the radio talk to me?

I am sure it's something like "goo goo gaaa gaaa". They are pretty good at
talking to a person on thier level without talking down to them.

Steve, K4YZ


Typical response of someone who got his tie stuck in his zipper.

How does the 911 operator with the radio talk to me?


Brian, for what its worth, in my area, a 9-1-1 call on our repeater is
going to get through more reliably than a cell phone call, and we can
access the repeater in places in which no cell phone is going to get
through. The repeater system covers our county, which is mountainous and
has many area where the nearest cell phone tower is many miles away.

Is this available everywhere? No, it sure isn't. But neither is cell
phone service. But since it is, we use it. If I'm in my area, and I
witness an emergency and NEED to get 9-1-1 immediately, I'll reach for
my HT or mobile rig before I pick up the cell phone.

- Mike KB3EIA -

When was the last time you availed your amateur radio transceiver to a
non-amateur for emergency purposes? You, your license, and your
equipment isn't there when they need it, is it?

I still think that cellular telephones is a lot better than nothing,
and their widespread use had made huge inroads in providing emergency
communications for the average citizen.

Mike Coslo wrote in message ...

Oh well, I have mixed thoughts on the "new censorship " going on. I
prefer the airways cleaned up, but I would just as soon have Howard
removed from them because he stinks than for his profanity.

- Mike KB3EIA -

Few practice personal responsibility.

My rule is that if its indecent for children, its indecent for adults.

William wrote:
Mike Coslo wrote in message ...

William wrote:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...


Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (William)
Date: 3/29/2004 7:44 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:



So again, how does the 911 operator with the radio talk to me?

I am sure it's something like "goo goo gaaa gaaa". They are pretty good at
talking to a person on thier level without talking down to them.

Steve, K4YZ


Typical response of someone who got his tie stuck in his zipper.

How does the 911 operator with the radio talk to me?


Brian, for what its worth, in my area, a 9-1-1 call on our repeater is
going to get through more reliably than a cell phone call, and we can
access the repeater in places in which no cell phone is going to get
through. The repeater system covers our county, which is mountainous and
has many area where the nearest cell phone tower is many miles away.

Is this available everywhere? No, it sure isn't. But neither is cell
phone service. But since it is, we use it. If I'm in my area, and I
witness an emergency and NEED to get 9-1-1 immediately, I'll reach for
my HT or mobile rig before I pick up the cell phone.

- Mike KB3EIA -


When was the last time you availed your amateur radio transceiver to a
non-amateur for emergency purposes? You, your license, and your
equipment isn't there when they need it, is it?

Never have, and since I'd be the control op, I'd not be likely to.

I still think that cellular telephones is a lot better than nothing,
and their widespread use had made huge inroads in providing emergency
communications for the average citizen.

Of course the cellphone is a good thing for reporting emergencies. And
if I have one, I'll use it if I'm out of my repeater area. The nearly
universal use of the things almost guarantees *someone* will pass by
that can call emergency services.

I doubt that Amateur radio ever filled that local "see an accident and
call 911" niche. Of course the ham could call using autopatch, but there
just weren't enough people to give such a coverage as cellphones could.

But at least in our area, I can better contact emergency services
through my HT than I can my cell phone. So that is what I use. Those
with only cell phone access can try to use that.

- Mike KB3EIA -

Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (William)
Date: 3/31/2004 7:47 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

I still think that cellular telephones is a lot better than nothing,
and their widespread use had made huge inroads in providing emergency
communications for the average citizen.

In as much as you are obviously narrowing your scope to "the average
citizen" making what would be considered a "routine" 9-1-1 call under "normal"
circumstances you'd be correct.

In the scope of "emergency communications" as it pertains to the Amateur
Radio Service and within the scope of discussion OF "emergency communications,
you ae still trying to compare apples and oranges.

Your bad. Try again.

Steve, K4YZ

Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (William)
Date: 3/31/2004 7:51 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (William)
Date: 3/30/2004 7:45 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (William)
Date: 3/29/2004 7:44 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

So again, how does the 911 operator with the radio talk to me?

I am sure it's something like "goo goo gaaa gaaa". They are pretty
good at
talking to a person on thier level without talking down to them.

Steve, K4YZ

Typical response of someone who got his tie stuck in his zipper.

How does the 911 operator with the radio talk to me?

Probably the same way the 910 and the 912 operator does.

Why would the 9-1-1 operator WANT to talk to you?

Keep tap dancing. It's funny.

I am not the one dancing, PuppetBoy.

Did YOU initiate the RFS via autopatch? If not, they have nothing to
say
to you...9-1-1 operators wait for you to call them, not vice-versa.

You forget so quickly.

Nope. Just pointing out how you keep trying to dodge the point.

And if you DID initiate the call, I imagine they talk to you the same
way
they'd talk to me...In English. If you DIDN'T initiate the call, I guess
the
9-1-1 operator isn't GOING to talk to you.

How does the 911 operator with the radio talk to me?

What 911 operator? You mean the 9-1-1 operator? He/She uses the same
hardline telephone or dispatch console they use every day...THAT is connected
via hardline to the repeater site. Then they are put ON-THE-AIR via your
repeater.

I am wondering where you're trying to take this and what point you're
trying to save from all of this spinning, Brain.

No spinning. You made a statement. Now explain it.

I have and I have.

If you don't initiate the
call, they aren't going to talk to you...REGARDLESS if the call came via
hardline, wireless or Amateur Radio autopatch.

I realize that there's a bit of common sense in that that's hard for
you
to assimilate, but it's true.

Steve has no explanation for thie things he says (statements of fact).
So he tries to clown his way out of it. Whatta Bozo.

Like I've said...better anything else than a liar, Brian, and you've
proven yourself that.

Nice job.

Steve, K4YZ

Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (William)
Date: 3/31/2004 7:57 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...

PS...For what I make in my "real" job, I can write this off as
entertainment!
I ought to send you an IRS form 1099 this year.

Please, no. No direct correspondence with you.

Oh no, Brain...I'll send the 1099 direct to Uncle Sam...

If we had ever QSO'd, I would recommend you use the buro.

In as much as you ahve yet to prove you've ever made a single QSO from a
location from which I could USE a buro, I would.

And don't brag and gloat about the high cost of health care. John
Kerry will change all that if he gets in office.

I am the LAST one to "brag" about the "high cost of health care", Your
Putziness.

I think it sucks.

And if John Kerry makes it to the White House, his "health care reform"
will likely be no more successful that Hillary Rotten Clinton's was, and will
undoubedly be nothing more than "tax 'em till they choke" to pay for it. It
will, like other Democratic suggestions, look grand and compassionate while
still in the wrapping, yet will wilt rapidly when expeosed to the daylight of
scrutiny of the bean counters.

"Health Care's" high costs are principally due to this Nation's inability
(and unwillingness) to overcome lobbyists and the Trial Lawyer's Association.
Put caps on rediculous lawsuits and absolutely astronomical lawyers fees and
incentives and "health care" costs will become more manageable in short order.


Let hospitals and other health care professionals start counter-suing
everytime a frivilous suit is brought against us and pretty soon the word will
get around that if you don't have a VERY valid claim, you'd best think twice.

Most hospitals have to carry malpractice liability of a half-million
dollars for most of it's licensed staff (Nurses, techs, therapists and EMS
personnel) and sometimes as much as 20 times that for physicians.

Now...care to discuss a topic for which you may be adequately informed and
prepared?

We've pretty well ruled out health care issues and Amateur Radio.
Meterology, perhasp?

Steve, K4YZ

"William" wrote in message
om...
I still think that cellular telephones is a lot better than nothing,
and their widespread use had made huge inroads in providing emergency
communications for the average citizen.

Everyone has indicated that it's great for the individualized emergency
instances like a car accident, etc. But it has no place in widespread
emergencies like hurricanes, earthquakes and so on as it simply can't be
counted on under that type of condition.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"Steve Robeson K4CAP" wrote in message
...

Most hospitals have to carry malpractice liability of a half-million
dollars for most of it's licensed staff (Nurses, techs, therapists and EMS
personnel) and sometimes as much as 20 times that for physicians.


Is that per staff member? I think it's implied in the way you phrase it but
it's not really clear.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Mike Coslo wrote in message ...
William wrote:
Mike Coslo wrote in message ...

William wrote:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...


Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (William)
Date: 3/29/2004 7:44 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:



So again, how does the 911 operator with the radio talk to me?

I am sure it's something like "goo goo gaaa gaaa". They are pretty good at
talking to a person on thier level without talking down to them.

Steve, K4YZ


Typical response of someone who got his tie stuck in his zipper.

How does the 911 operator with the radio talk to me?


Brian, for what its worth, in my area, a 9-1-1 call on our repeater is
going to get through more reliably than a cell phone call, and we can
access the repeater in places in which no cell phone is going to get
through. The repeater system covers our county, which is mountainous and
has many area where the nearest cell phone tower is many miles away.

Is this available everywhere? No, it sure isn't. But neither is cell
phone service. But since it is, we use it. If I'm in my area, and I
witness an emergency and NEED to get 9-1-1 immediately, I'll reach for
my HT or mobile rig before I pick up the cell phone.

- Mike KB3EIA -


When was the last time you availed your amateur radio transceiver to a
non-amateur for emergency purposes? You, your license, and your
equipment isn't there when they need it, is it?

Never have, and since I'd be the control op, I'd not be likely to.

I've allowed not amateurs to use my station, and I'm still the control
op. That's the law.

I still think that cellular telephones is a lot better than nothing,
and their widespread use had made huge inroads in providing emergency
communications for the average citizen.

Of course the cellphone is a good thing for reporting emergencies. And
if I have one, I'll use it if I'm out of my repeater area. The nearly
universal use of the things almost guarantees *someone* will pass by
that can call emergency services.

Thank you for noticing that. It has been missed by Robo-nurse and the
unlicensed JJ.

I doubt that Amateur radio ever filled that local "see an accident and
call 911" niche. Of course the ham could call using autopatch, but there
just weren't enough people to give such a coverage as cellphones could.

Prior to decent cell coverage, that's exactly how it was done. Of
course, lots of people bled to death, too. Still do.

But at least in our area, I can better contact emergency services
through my HT than I can my cell phone. So that is what I use. Those
with only cell phone access can try to use that.

Agreed. And some will get through and some will not. Many
non-amateurs actually realize that their cordless telecommunications
device may actually work better by changing position, going outdoors,
or going to a higher elevation, just like in the commercial, "Can you
hear me now?"

But unlicensed JJ and Steve are so certain that everyone else is
stupid.

bb

William wrote:



I still think that cellular telephones is a lot better than nothing,

But not much.

In article , "Dee D. Flint"
writes:

"Steve Robeson K4CAP" wrote in message
...

Most hospitals have to carry malpractice liability of a half-million
dollars for most of it's licensed staff (Nurses, techs, therapists and EMS
personnel) and sometimes as much as 20 times that for physicians.


Is that per staff member?

Yes.

I think it's implied in the way you phrase it but
it's not really clear.

Ask any licensed, currently practicing health care professional. Many carry
more, and some specialties (like obstetrics) carry a lot more. Such coverage is
not inexpensive, and in some areas medical care providers are simply closing
down or moving because of the high cost of malpractice insurance. It is one of
the reasons (not the only one) for the high cost of medical care in the USA.

73 de Jim, N2EY

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message ...
"William" wrote in message
om...
I still think that cellular telephones is a lot better than nothing,
and their widespread use had made huge inroads in providing emergency
communications for the average citizen.

Everyone has indicated that it's great for the individualized emergency
instances like a car accident, etc.

No, they haven't. Please refer to any and all JJ posts.

He has an axe to grind, and he'll go down with his boat on this one.

But it has no place in widespread
emergencies like hurricanes, earthquakes and so on as it simply can't be
counted on under that type of condition.

No place at all?

Sounds like you're going down on JJ's boat.

N2EY wrote:
In article , "Dee D. Flint"
writes:


"Steve Robeson K4CAP" wrote in message
...

Most hospitals have to carry malpractice liability of a half-million
dollars for most of it's licensed staff (Nurses, techs, therapists and EMS
personnel) and sometimes as much as 20 times that for physicians.


Is that per staff member?


Yes.


I think it's implied in the way you phrase it but
it's not really clear.


Ask any licensed, currently practicing health care professional. Many carry
more, and some specialties (like obstetrics) carry a lot more. Such coverage is
not inexpensive, and in some areas medical care providers are simply closing
down or moving because of the high cost of malpractice insurance. It is one of
the reasons (not the only one) for the high cost of medical care in the USA.


Or a person making decisions for a youth sports organization. when I
was the president of the local hockey club, I was insured for multiple
millions of dollars. When you have to deal with two or more sets of
rabid parents, each threatening to sue if the decision you make is not
in their favor, you get to appreciate the insurance.

When Mr and Mrs Smith are absolutely certain that little Johnny isn't
going to go to the NHL because your coach isn't playing them every other
shift and not putting him on the first line, and Mr and Mrs Johnson are
certain of the same thing, which of course interferes with the Smith's
up and coming Hockey star's High school hockey career, you get a bit jaded.

- mike KB3EIA -

In article , PAMNO
(N2EY) writes:

In article , "Dee D. Flint"
writes:

"Steve Robeson K4CAP" wrote in message
...

Most hospitals have to carry malpractice liability of a half-million
dollars for most of it's licensed staff (Nurses, techs, therapists and EMS
personnel) and sometimes as much as 20 times that for physicians.


Is that per staff member?

Yes.

I think it's implied in the way you phrase it but
it's not really clear.

Ask any licensed, currently practicing health care professional. Many carry
more, and some specialties (like obstetrics) carry a lot more. Such coverage
is
not inexpensive, and in some areas medical care providers are simply closing
down or moving because of the high cost of malpractice insurance. It is one
of
the reasons (not the only one) for the high cost of medical care in the USA.

Dr. Jimmy, did you learn that in the ARRL Study Guide?
Bash book?

What does MALPRACTICE really mean?

Does it have "Farnsworth spacing?"

My diagnosis is that this topic doesn't belong in this newsgroup.
Sue my insurance carrier if you don't like that opinion... :-)

My prognosis is a lot of Chat Room nattering by the regulars.

LHA / WMD

In article , "Dee D. Flint"
writes:

"Steve Robeson K4CAP" wrote in message
...

Most hospitals have to carry malpractice liability of a half-million
dollars for most of it's licensed staff (Nurses, techs, therapists and EMS
personnel) and sometimes as much as 20 times that for physicians.

Is that per staff member? I think it's implied in the way you phrase it but
it's not really clear.

His "seven hostile actions" encountered during military service
has muddied his thinking...and ability to cohere....here.

LHA / WMD

Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (William)
Date: 3/31/2004 4:08 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (William)
Date: 3/31/2004 7:47 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

I still think that cellular telephones is a lot better than nothing,
and their widespread use had made huge inroads in providing emergency
communications for the average citizen.

In as much as you are obviously narrowing your scope to "the average
citizen"

Deal with it.

There's nothing to "deal with, Brain.

"We" were discussing Amateur Radio's role in emeergency communications.\

For what ever reason, you were trying to trivialize that role by
representing "cellphones" and "unlicensed servcies" as playing a "major role"
in "emergency comms", but only within the scope of "Joe Average" calling for
help on his cellphone under what one can call "routine" circumstances.

No problem. You were trying to make the circumstances fit your rant. It
didn't work and you got your nose tweaked in the process.

That was the context in which I made my statement, Steve.

After a weeks worth of trying to wriggle out from under the stone YOU had
crawled under, Brain.

making what would be considered a "routine" 9-1-1 call under "normal"
circumstances you'd be correct.

Steve, what 911 calls are made under normal, routine circumstances?

I've never made 911 calls in a day.

I've made calls to the 9-1-1 center though, and to "me", a person who
WORKS in the 9-1-1 enviroment, car accidents, lost persons, shots fired, etc
are "routine" calls.

Loss of communicaitons due to wild fire, flood, tornadoes, etc, are not.
I've tried to differentiate the difference to you, but you keeep wanting to
ONLY define your scope of discussion to that which supports your ranting and
which would, on the face of it, trivialize Amateur Radio's role.

It didn't work.

In the scope of "emergency communications" as it pertains to the
Amateur
Radio Service and within the scope of discussion OF "emergency
communications,
you ae still trying to compare apples and oranges.

Nope. Amateur radio emergency communications are not limited to
Continuity of Government operations only.

Your bad. Try again.

You're bass ackwards. Again.

Hardly.

I am discussing TRUE "major role" emergency communications. YOU are
talking about Joe Average neding a cop for an accident or reporting a dumpster
fire.

As usual, you're out-of-step with current events.

Try again, PuppetBoy.

Steve, K4YZ

Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (William)
Date: 4/1/2004 12:10 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Sounds like you're going down on JJ's boat.

At least we can throw him a life preserver.

You, on the otherhand, are going down on Lennie.

That we can't help you with.

Enjoy.

Steve, K4YZ

Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (William)
Date: 3/31/2004 4:48 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Mike Coslo wrote in message ...

Of course the cellphone is a good thing for reporting emergencies. And
if I have one, I'll use it if I'm out of my repeater area. The nearly
universal use of the things almost guarantees *someone* will pass by
that can call emergency services.

Thank you for noticing that. It has been missed by Robo-nurse and the
unlicensed JJ.

No I've not.

YOU have been trying to limit the scope of "emergency comms" to that of
Joe Average reporting an accident or calling the FD for a dumpster fire.

In the context of "emergency comms" wherein Amateur Radio plays a role is
a far greater scoe of impact on the community involved.

You just needed to make the circumstances fir the rant, Brain.

It didn't work.

But unlicensed JJ and Steve are so certain that everyone else is
stupid.

Not "everyone else", Brain.

Just you. You have, afterall, provided so much evidence in support of my
allegations.

Thanks.

Steve, K4YZ

Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: "Dee D. Flint"
Date: 3/31/2004 4:45 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


"Steve Robeson K4CAP" wrote in message
...

Most hospitals have to carry malpractice liability of a half-million
dollars for most of it's licensed staff (Nurses, techs, therapists and EMS
personnel) and sometimes as much as 20 times that for physicians.


Is that per staff member? I think it's implied in the way you phrase it but
it's not really clear.

Yep...that's about right.

Remember, there can be multiple suits involving different complaintants.

OB-GYN docs especially are dropping like flies due to the insurance. It's
tragic.

Steve, K4YZ

Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (Bert Craig)
Date: 4/1/2004 5:39 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Many could not understand what "such
well paid" folks could possibly protest over and were visibly put off
on TV news interviews. Sometimes the overhead is simply overlooked.

While in SoCal, one of thje ER docs I worked with showed us his dilemma...

Before taxes (1988) he was making almost $2M between his practice, his ER
coverage and his investments.

Malpractice ALONE (and this was an MD NEVER sued before) was over $70,000.

That sucks.

Steve, K4YZ

William wrote:
"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message ...

"William" wrote in message
.com...

I still think that cellular telephones is a lot better than nothing,
and their widespread use had made huge inroads in providing emergency
communications for the average citizen.

Everyone has indicated that it's great for the individualized emergency
instances like a car accident, etc.


No, they haven't. Please refer to any and all JJ posts.



He has an axe to grind, and he'll go down with his boat on this one.

But it has no place in widespread

Please site a post where I stated cell phone were not good for the
individualized emergency.

emergencies like hurricanes, earthquakes and so on as it simply can't be
counted on under that type of condition.


No place at all?

Sounds like you're going down on JJ's boat.

He knows which boat is going to stay afloat.

JJ wrote:
He knows which boat is going to stay afloat.

rec.radio.cb in your case, jj no call. (junior jackass?)

"William" wrote in message
om...

Sometimes we focus on the wrong things. Medical malpractice kills
more people than guns.

But is it medical malpractice when one out of a million dies from a
vaccination? How can a physician predict who that might be? Should he be
sued over it? These days he can and for a huge sum. He's following the
best medical practices yet he is held liable when that one of a million
occurs.

In some states, you can know longer get your child's immunizations
administered at your pediatrician's office for this very reason. Instead
you have to go to the county board of health and sign a form that says you
have been told that there are occasional deaths and you can't sue the
government.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"Steve Robeson K4CAP" wrote in message
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Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: "Dee D. Flint"
Date: 3/31/2004 4:45 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


"Steve Robeson K4CAP" wrote in message
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Most hospitals have to carry malpractice liability of a
half-million
dollars for most of it's licensed staff (Nurses, techs, therapists and
EMS
personnel) and sometimes as much as 20 times that for physicians.


Is that per staff member? I think it's implied in the way you phrase it
but
it's not really clear.

Yep...that's about right.

Remember, there can be multiple suits involving different
complaintants.

OB-GYN docs especially are dropping like flies due to the insurance.
It's
tragic.

Steve, K4YZ

And I've heard that in the OB-GYN category that it is nearly impossible to
find one who will accept a high risk client these days.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"JJ" wrote in message
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He knows which boat is going to stay afloat.


Need to pay more attention to the newsgroup. I am not a "he".

Dee D. Flint wrote:

"JJ" wrote in message
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He knows which boat is going to stay afloat.



Need to pay more attention to the newsgroup. I am not a "he".


Apology issued.

JJ wrote:
Dee D. Flint wrote:

"JJ" wrote in message
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He knows which boat is going to stay afloat.



Need to pay more attention to the newsgroup. I am not a "he".


Apology issued.

Dumbass alert.

In article , "Dee D. Flint"
writes:

But is it medical malpractice when one out of a million dies from a
vaccination?

Some people say yes. I say no.

How can a physician predict who that might be? Should he be
sued over it? These days he can and for a huge sum. He's following the
best medical practices yet he is held liable when that one of a million
occurs.

And even if he/she wins, the lawyers have to be paid.

Add to that the fact that many malpractice suits go after everyone that was
anywhere near the patient - doctors, nurses, techs, the hospital or medical
group itself, etc. Even if they all win they have to defend themselves.

Yes, there *are* some incompetent health care providers out there making
mistakes that injure and kill people. They are few, but their mistakes raise
the cost of every provider's malpractice insurance. And regardless of actual
income, health care providers and their insurers are often seen as "deep
pockets".

In some states, you can know longer get your child's immunizations
administered at your pediatrician's office for this very reason. Instead
you have to go to the county board of health and sign a form that says you
have been told that there are occasional deaths and you can't sue the
government.

I hadn't heard that one, Dee. A true Catch-22 situation, because many
immunizations are required by law in order for a kid to go to school.

And from a medical and scientific standpoint, the risk of the disease is far
worse than the risk of the immunization.

73 de Jim, N2EY

Steveo wrote:
JJ wrote:

Dee D. Flint wrote:


"JJ" wrote in message
...


He knows which boat is going to stay afloat.



Need to pay more attention to the newsgroup. I am not a "he".


Apology issued.


Dumbass alert.

You don't have to alert us, we already know you're a dumbass, mr.
non-ham cber.

JJ wrote:
Steveo wrote:
JJ wrote:

Dee D. Flint wrote:


"JJ" wrote in message
...


He knows which boat is going to stay afloat.



Need to pay more attention to the newsgroup. I am not a "he".


Apology issued.


Dumbass alert.

You don't have to alert us, we already know you're a dumbass, mr.
non-ham cber.

JJ the no-call ham.

Steveo wrote:



JJ the no-call ham.

Again, make up you feeble mind, you say I am a ham but I have no call.
Care to explain that since if I am a ham that means I have a call. Never
mind, what else would one expect from a stupid cber?