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Mike Coslo March 27th 04 11:14 PM

William wrote:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...


And WHY does it take 911 operators to handle "every" call, Brain?



I might have been wrong. Perhaps answering 90% of 911 calls is
acceptable practice in some localities. "Good enuf 4 Gubmn't Work."
Like the 911 operator that kept hanging up on "sniper" Lee Malvo.

We only

need one, maybe two on any call, if you allow for one being on the phone and
one on the radio...



How does a citizen call a 911 operator on a radio?


I press 911 on my HT.

- Mike KB3EIA -




Steve Robeson K4CAP March 27th 04 11:29 PM

Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (William)
Date: 3/27/2004 12:47 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


But with Brittany Spears in your lap, all you can think about is Len's
testicles and my testicles?

Definitely nuts.

Shall I squeeze a bit harder, Brain? Or are you finished making a

fool
out of yourself...again...?


Exactly what are you squeezing, Steve?

Whatever it is, keep it away from me and quit being so gay.



You're the one who keeps signing posts "nuts" yet you accumse me opf being
gay.

Now that's cute.

And the ONLY way I think of your "testicles" (I think we can call them
that, as small as they must be) is in the provrbial vise.

And they obviously ARE being squeezed, because you keep hollering at me.

Sucks to be you, I guess.

Steve, K4YZ






William March 28th 04 03:36 AM

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...
Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From:
(William)
Date: 3/27/2004 12:47 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


But with Brittany Spears in your lap, all you can think about is Len's
testicles and my testicles?

Definitely nuts.

Shall I squeeze a bit harder, Brain? Or are you finished making a

fool
out of yourself...again...?


Exactly what are you squeezing, Steve?

Whatever it is, keep it away from me and quit being so gay.



You're the one who keeps signing posts "nuts" yet you accumse me opf being
gay.


Are you in a rage? Why don't I just accuse you of being a poor typist.

And the ONLY way I think of your "testicles" (I think we can call them
that, as small as they must be) is in the provrbial vise.


Those darned provrbial vises.

And they obviously ARE being squeezed, because you keep hollering at me.


Ooh, Ouch, Ooh, Ouch!

No, no, not the jumper cables.

The LPN of Torture is putting it to me. Ooh, Ouch.

hihi

You're nuts.

William March 28th 04 03:37 AM

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...
Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From:
(William)
Date: 3/26/2004 9:38 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From:
(William)
Date: 3/24/2004 5:46 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...


Mark isn't here anymore because he got wise when we kept re-quoting

those
things he insisted he didn't say, yet was right in front of him. In THAT
regard, it was the only wise thing he ever did (ie: leave)

Like I said...I don't tolerate liars. Mark was proven to be a liar.
Lennie's been proven to be a lair, and now you are.


When you take a dislike to someone, you accuse them, villify them,
make them liars, stalk them, attack them, and start numerous smear
threads about them.


A "smear thread" insinuates that the thread was initiated with the intent
to mislead or misrepresent some "facts" about the person targeted, Brain.


That is correct. That would be you.

William March 28th 04 03:44 AM

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...
Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From:
(William)
Date: 3/27/2004 9:01 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From:
(William)
Date: 3/26/2004 9:39 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


You must understand something, Steve. "Nuts" is not a medical term,
is not a diagnosis, and does not need a medical license to utter.

But you're still nuts.

But you've not explained why.

Yes I have.

No, you've not....other than to say I'm "nuts" becasue I dare to

question
you.


Question me? Is THAT what *#*YOU*#* Call it?!?

Interrogation is more like it. And I've told you that time and again.

Get a grip, man.

That's why I think you're nuts.


You think I am nuts becasue I won't let you get away with stupid
assertions that you can't/won't back up with some valid facts.


No. Read it again (and again if you have to). I think you're nuts
because you act nuts.

Put away the sodium penethol and jumper cables.

It just isn't going to work.

You'll never make me love Morse Code.


I don't care if you ever do or not. I'd just as well keep idiots like you
out of the narrowband parts of the spectrum.

I just want you to answer "What "major role" do the unlicensed radio
services play in "emergency comms", as you ahve suggested they do.


You tell me.

And so far all you've done is rum and hide from answering questions

about
YOUR assertions.


Yup, rumming and hiding.


My bad on the typo, but I think you got the idea.


Dunno if I do or not.

Am I hidden well enough for you to keep from finding me?

Oh darn, you keep finding me right after I reply to you! How do you
do it?

You are so good at this, and you're nuts.

William March 28th 04 03:51 AM

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...
Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From:
(William)
Date: 3/27/2004 8:52 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...

And WHY does it take 911 operators to handle "every" call, Brain?


I might have been wrong. Perhaps answering 90% of 911 calls is
acceptable practice in some localities. "Good enuf 4 Gubmn't Work."
Like the 911 operator that kept hanging up on "sniper" Lee Malvo.


What "90%" Brain?


Now dammit, Steve, you're the one who wanted to know why it takes a
911 operator to handle every 911 call.

See above. Retract your idiotic comment or forever be known as a
liar.

ALL of the 9-1-1 calls get answered where I live.


Whoa! Here too.

NOT all of the calls warrant a Code 3 response.


Do all calls warrant being answered?

We only
need one, maybe two on any call, if you allow for one being on the phone

and
one on the radio...


How does a citizen call a 911 operator on a radio?


Hmmmmm...there are several ways.

First of all is to use the autopatch if a licensed Amateur.

Second is to be an authorized user of the county dispatch network (which I
am)

Third is to...never mind...I could be at this all day...


I'll bet you could. Nuts.

William March 28th 04 03:53 AM

Mike Coslo wrote in message ...
William wrote:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...


And WHY does it take 911 operators to handle "every" call, Brain?



I might have been wrong. Perhaps answering 90% of 911 calls is
acceptable practice in some localities. "Good enuf 4 Gubmn't Work."
Like the 911 operator that kept hanging up on "sniper" Lee Malvo.

We only

need one, maybe two on any call, if you allow for one being on the phone and
one on the radio...



How does a citizen call a 911 operator on a radio?


I press 911 on my HT.

- Mike KB3EIA -


I'll try it with my handheld before I turn in this evening.

Len Over 21 March 28th 04 06:45 AM

In article ,
(William) writes:

Mike Coslo wrote in message
...
William wrote:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...

And WHY does it take 911 operators to handle "every" call, Brain?

I might have been wrong. Perhaps answering 90% of 911 calls is
acceptable practice in some localities. "Good enuf 4 Gubmn't Work."
Like the 911 operator that kept hanging up on "sniper" Lee Malvo.

We only

need one, maybe two on any call, if you allow for one being on the phone

and
one on the radio...

How does a citizen call a 911 operator on a radio?


I press 911 on my HT.

- Mike KB3EIA -


I'll try it with my handheld before I turn in this evening.


I think Mike needs to consult one of his many charts. He seems
to be confusing his HT with his cell phone. :-)

LHA / WMD

Mike Coslo March 28th 04 02:49 PM

If a ham punches in 911 on his or her HT on our local repeater system,
the call will indeed be patched into the local 911 center.

- Mike KB3EIA -


Steve Robeson K4CAP March 28th 04 03:10 PM

Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 3/27/2004 11:45 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article ,
(William) writes:

Mike Coslo wrote in message
...
William wrote:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...


How does a citizen call a 911 operator on a radio?

I press 911 on my HT.

- Mike KB3EIA -


I'll try it with my handheld before I turn in this evening.


I think Mike needs to consult one of his many charts. He seems
to be confusing his HT with his cell phone.


I think Lennie is making more assinine statements without the knowledge to
back it up.

One of the repeaters in my area also responds directly to a 9-1-1 input on
DTMF. No other "access tones" or anything else necessary...Of course you get
the 9-1-1 operator for that prefix, but it's a 10 second delay awaiting the
hand-off.

Once again, Lennie.......

Ya PUTZ!

Steve, K4YZ






Steve Robeson K4CAP March 28th 04 03:16 PM

Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (William)
Date: 3/27/2004 8:51 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From:
(William)
Date: 3/27/2004 8:52 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...

And WHY does it take 911 operators to handle "every" call, Brain?

I might have been wrong. Perhaps answering 90% of 911 calls is
acceptable practice in some localities. "Good enuf 4 Gubmn't Work."
Like the 911 operator that kept hanging up on "sniper" Lee Malvo.


What "90%" Brain?


Now dammit, Steve, you're the one who wanted to know why it takes a
911 operator to handle every 911 call.


That's not what you wrote, Brain.

Shall I back up a couple posts, RE-POST what was written, and ONCE AGAIN
have two-weeks worth of your newsgroup excrement in which to rub YOUR
nose...?!?!

See above. Retract your idiotic comment or forever be known as a
liar.


Best back up, PuppetBoy. If I re-post the complete, IN-CONTEXT post,
you're gonna look stupid...AGAIN...

ALL of the 9-1-1 calls get answered where I live.


Whoa! Here too.


Glad to hear it. Ohio always has had a great emergency response
reputation, even before 9-1-1 was implemented.

NOT all of the calls warrant a Code 3 response.


Do all calls warrant being answered?


Did I say otherwise...?!?! If so, please cite the post wherein I did say
otherwise.

We only
need one, maybe two on any call, if you allow for one being on the phone

and
one on the radio...

How does a citizen call a 911 operator on a radio?


Hmmmmm...there are several ways.

First of all is to use the autopatch if a licensed Amateur.

Second is to be an authorized user of the county dispatch network

(which I
am)

Third is to...never mind...I could be at this all day...


I'll bet you could. Nuts.


Yes, you are.

And you're digging yourself in deeper with every post every day.

I'd have thought you'd have learned by now.

Does your WIFE read your antics? Does she know how thoroughly you
humiliate your family name?

Steve, K4YZ






Steve Robeson K4CAP March 28th 04 03:18 PM

Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (William)
Date: 3/27/2004 8:36 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From:
(William)
Date: 3/27/2004 12:47 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


But with Brittany Spears in your lap, all you can think about is Len's
testicles and my testicles?

Definitely nuts.

Shall I squeeze a bit harder, Brain? Or are you finished making a

fool
out of yourself...again...?

Exactly what are you squeezing, Steve?

Whatever it is, keep it away from me and quit being so gay.



You're the one who keeps signing posts "nuts" yet you accumse me opf

being
gay.


Are you in a rage? Why don't I just accuse you of being a poor typist.


Well well...you'd FINALLY have one right. Only took you three years,
Brain

And the ONLY way I think of your "testicles" (I think we can call them
that, as small as they must be) is in the provrbial vise.


Those darned provrbial vises.


As opposed to the vices you prefer, no doubt.

And they obviously ARE being squeezed, because you keep hollering at

me.

Ooh, Ouch, Ooh, Ouch!

No, no, not the jumper cables.

The LPN of Torture is putting it to me. Ooh, Ouch.

hihi

You're nuts.


After reading what you just posted, Brain, who do you think would get THAT
vote...?!?!

"I am laughing at the superior intellect".

Steve, K4YZ






Steve Robeson K4CAP March 28th 04 03:23 PM

Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (William)
Date: 3/27/2004 8:37 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...


A "smear thread" insinuates that the thread was initiated with the

intent
to mislead or misrepresent some "facts" about the person targeted, Brain.


That is correct. That would be you.


Nope.

So far, other than correctly pointing out that I make occassional typos,
you've not been able to successfully disprove anything I've claimed about you.

It's not a "smear" if it's true. So far you've not produced anything that
would validate anything YOU have said, nor have you produced anything that
would DISprove anything I have said.

Sucks to be you, PuppetBoy.

Steve, K4YZ






Steve Robeson K4CAP March 28th 04 03:30 PM

Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (William)
Date: 3/27/2004 8:44 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From:
(William)
Date: 3/27/2004 9:01 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From:
(William)
Date: 3/26/2004 9:39 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


You think I am nuts becasue I won't let you get away with stupid
assertions that you can't/won't back up with some valid facts.


No. Read it again (and again if you have to). I think you're nuts
because you act nuts.


I've read it thoroughly. Repeatedly, even.

Again, the onlything "nuts" I see in MY behaviour is demonstrating any
expectation that YOU would actually do any of the things asked of you.

THAT is nuts.

Put away the sodium penethol and jumper cables.

It just isn't going to work.

You'll never make me love Morse Code.


I don't care if you ever do or not. I'd just as well keep idiots like

you
out of the narrowband parts of the spectrum.

I just want you to answer "What "major role" do the unlicensed radio
services play in "emergency comms", as you have suggested they do.


You tell me.


It's not my assertion, Brain. I KNOW what "major role" they play...None.
YOU made the assertion they did. You were wrong. That was simple enough to
admit. But then you LIED about having said it. THAT was foolish.

And I am wondering WHERE you "saw" me with "jumper cables and "sodium
penethol", Brain? Hallucinations ARE evidence of being delusional, what the
"lay" person WOULD call "nuts".

And so far all you've done is rum and hide from answering questions

about
YOUR assertions.

Yup, rumming and hiding.


My bad on the typo, but I think you got the idea.


Dunno if I do or not.


Lack of situational awareness. Another symptom of possible delusional
circumstances.


Am I hidden well enough for you to keep from finding me?


Nope.

Oh darn, you keep finding me right after I reply to you! How do you
do it?


I follow the stench.

You are so good at this, and you're nuts.


I follow the brown streak and you wish I was...

Sucks to be you, Brain.

Steve, K4YZ







Len Over 21 March 28th 04 10:32 PM

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

If a ham punches in 911 on his or her HT on our local repeater system,
the call will indeed be patched into the local 911 center.


That's an excellent thing for your local repeater. It isn't a national
standard among U.S. amateur radio repeaters, de facto or de jure.

The 911 combination IS a national standard for all telephone ESSs
in the United States and is accounted for in all number
combinations used in signalling and dialing in the telephone
infrastructure.

Your repeater's "patch" connects to the telephone infrastructure.
As such, amateur radio enables connection to an emergency
center...through the telephone system. The "patch" is entirely
voluntary and not universal.

LHA / WMD

Steve Robeson K4CAP March 28th 04 11:00 PM

Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 3/28/2004 3:32 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

If a ham punches in 911 on his or her HT on our local repeater system,
the call will indeed be patched into the local 911 center.


That's an excellent thing for your local repeater. It isn't a national
standard among U.S. amateur radio repeaters, de facto or de jure.


"De facto" or "de jure" noitwithstanding, it IS a technical possibility,
and for some of us, reality.

Sorry it punctured yet another "I Don't Have Any Practical Experience In
Amateur Radio Upon Which To Base This But I'll Take A Shot And Hope I Get Away
With It" rant, Lennie

The 911 combination IS a national standard for all telephone ESSs
in the United States and is accounted for in all number
combinations used in signalling and dialing in the telephone
infrastructure.


"911" is not.

"9-1-1" is. Please refer to the logo on any emergency vehicle that
promotes the number. This was done for a reason.

Your repeater's "patch" connects to the telephone infrastructure.
As such, amateur radio enables connection to an emergency
center...through the telephone system. The "patch" is entirely
voluntary and not universal.


Regardless...Your puppetboy exposed himself and left parts out to be
stepped on that should have never seen the light of day.

YOU exacerbated the silliness by spouting off on a topic that you were,
AGAIN, ill-prepared to address. Regardless of what's "voluntary" or "not
universal", direct 9-1-1 access on Amateur repeaters IS commonplace.

Back under your rock and go argue with Arnie about FARs and DFAR's
again...Oooops! I forgot...he backed you into a corner on THAT subject and
you've now decided to get "back on topic" there.

Funny how getting off-topic is OK by you right up to the moment that you
get backed into that corner...THEN you want to be newsgroup moderator and
redirect the conversation to YOUR needs. Of course when someone tries to
direct YOU back to a thread, they are treated to a verbal bashing by you about
your "rights" to talk about whatever YOU want to talk about, the First
Amendment, etc etc...

Two-faced creep.


Steve, K4YZ








William March 28th 04 11:07 PM

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...
Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From:
(William)
Date: 3/27/2004 8:44 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From:
(William)
Date: 3/27/2004 9:01 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From:
(William)
Date: 3/26/2004 9:39 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


You think I am nuts becasue I won't let you get away with stupid
assertions that you can't/won't back up with some valid facts.


No. Read it again (and again if you have to). I think you're nuts
because you act nuts.


I've read it thoroughly. Repeatedly, even.

Again, the onlything "nuts" I see in MY behaviour is demonstrating any
expectation that YOU would actually do any of the things asked of you.

THAT is nuts.


Just like I said, you're nuts.

Put away the sodium penethol and jumper cables.

It just isn't going to work.

You'll never make me love Morse Code.

I don't care if you ever do or not. I'd just as well keep idiots like

you
out of the narrowband parts of the spectrum.

I just want you to answer "What "major role" do the unlicensed radio
services play in "emergency comms", as you have suggested they do.


You tell me.


It's not my assertion, Brain. I KNOW what "major role" they play...None.


None at all? Ever? Never?

YOU made the assertion they did. You were wrong. That was simple enough to
admit. But then you LIED about having said it. THAT was foolish.


Lied? I said you got it wrong. That is not lying.

And I am wondering WHERE you "saw" me with "jumper cables and "sodium
penethol", Brain? Hallucinations ARE evidence of being delusional, what the
"lay" person WOULD call "nuts".


What's next? Bamboo shoots and dripping water?

And so far all you've done is rum and hide from answering questions

about
YOUR assertions.

Yup, rumming and hiding.


My bad on the typo, but I think you got the idea.


Dunno if I do or not.


Lack of situational awareness. Another symptom of possible delusional
circumstances.

Am I hidden well enough for you to keep from finding me?


Nope.

Oh darn, you keep finding me right after I reply to you! How do you
do it?


I follow the stench.

You are so good at this, and you're nuts.


I follow the brown streak and you wish I was...


Eeew. You're not only nuts, you're sick.

And if you think "in plain sight" is hiding, well, what can I say?

You're just nuts.

William March 28th 04 11:11 PM

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...
Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From:
(William)
Date: 3/27/2004 8:37 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...


A "smear thread" insinuates that the thread was initiated with the

intent
to mislead or misrepresent some "facts" about the person targeted, Brain.


That is correct. That would be you.


Nope.

So far, other than correctly pointing out that I make occassional typos,
you've not been able to successfully disprove anything I've claimed about you.

It's not a "smear" if it's true. So far you've not produced anything that
would validate anything YOU have said, nor have you produced anything that
would DISprove anything I have said.


You say I am running and hiding from you. A lie.

You say that you're not a bully. Another lie.

You ask why a 911 operator must answer -all- 911 calls. Then you say
you didn't. Yet another lie.

And that was just this weekend!

You've got a lot of 'splainin to do, but just save it for therapy.

Bacause you're nuts.

William March 28th 04 11:15 PM

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article ,
(William) writes:

Brian, might as well give up on the gunnery nurse. All he wants to do
is fight, fight, fight. If anyone knows Don King's number maybe we
could get him to arrange a match? Like with Muhammed Ali? :-)

LHA / WMD

A fight with Muhammed Ali?

I think a debate between Muhammed and Steve would be more balanced and

entertaining.

Spelling B?


"Float like madam butterfly, sting like a spelling bee..."

Two disabled has-beens "fighting" one another. Not good show biz.

LHA / WMD


Might make a good episode of "JackASS" or Stern.

Stern has been hard pressed to come up with something funny since he
can't talk about F anymore.

William March 28th 04 11:18 PM

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...
Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From:
(William)
Date: 3/27/2004 8:36 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From:
(William)
Date: 3/27/2004 12:47 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


But with Brittany Spears in your lap, all you can think about is Len's
testicles and my testicles?

Definitely nuts.

Shall I squeeze a bit harder, Brain? Or are you finished making a

fool
out of yourself...again...?

Exactly what are you squeezing, Steve?

Whatever it is, keep it away from me and quit being so gay.


You're the one who keeps signing posts "nuts" yet you accumse me opf

being
gay.


Are you in a rage? Why don't I just accuse you of being a poor typist.


Well well...you'd FINALLY have one right. Only took you three years,
Brain


But I liked your "rage" hypothesis so much. And it fits you to a T.

And the ONLY way I think of your "testicles" (I think we can call them
that, as small as they must be) is in the provrbial vise.


Those darned provrbial vises.


As opposed to the vices you prefer, no doubt.


Which are?

And they obviously ARE being squeezed, because you keep hollering at

me.

Ooh, Ouch, Ooh, Ouch!

No, no, not the jumper cables.

The LPN of Torture is putting it to me. Ooh, Ouch.

hihi

You're nuts.


After reading what you just posted, Brain, who do you think would get THAT
vote...?!?!


It was comedy aimed at your stoopid assertions of "fiction."

"I am laughing at the superior intellect".

Steve, K4YZ


You shouldn't. You should seek help as advised.

Steve Robeson K4CAP March 28th 04 11:29 PM

Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (William)
Date: 3/28/2004 4:07 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...



It's not my assertion, Brain. I KNOW what "major role" they

play...None.

None at all? Ever? Never?


Nope.

Can YOU prove otherwise?

I've only been asking you for two weeks now to substantiate a similar
claim YOU made, yet you've not been able to pony-up one, single example of how
you are right and I am wrong.

YOU made the assertion they did. You were wrong. That was simple enough

to
admit. But then you LIED about having said it. THAT was foolish.


Lied? I said you got it wrong. That is not lying.


You denied saying you said it.

Denying something to have happened in the face of evidence to the contrary
is lying.

And I am wondering WHERE you "saw" me with "jumper cables and "sodium
penethol", Brain? Hallucinations ARE evidence of being delusional, what

the
"lay" person WOULD call "nuts".


What's next? Bamboo shoots and dripping water?


Whew! You ARE getting a bit delusional! Been watching a bit too many of
those 1940's era WW2 movies, Brain...???

You are so good at this, and you're nuts.


I follow the brown streak and you wish I was...


Eeew. You're not only nuts, you're sick.


So...now you have degrees in both psychiatry AND medicine...?!?!

And if you think "in plain sight" is hiding, well, what can I say?

You're just nuts.


I think the moniker of "nuts" belongs to the guy who thinks none of his
mistruthfulness is apparent to anyone else.

THAT would be YOU.

Steve, K4YZ






Steve Robeson K4CAP March 28th 04 11:37 PM

Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (William)
Date: 3/28/2004 4:11 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From:
(William)
Date: 3/27/2004 8:37 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...


A "smear thread" insinuates that the thread was initiated with the

intent
to mislead or misrepresent some "facts" about the person targeted,

Brain.

That is correct. That would be you.


Nope.

So far, other than correctly pointing out that I make occassional

typos,
you've not been able to successfully disprove anything I've claimed about

you.

It's not a "smear" if it's true. So far you've not produced anything

that
would validate anything YOU have said, nor have you produced anything that
would DISprove anything I have said.


You say I am running and hiding from you. A lie.


Not a lie.

We've spent two weeks trying to get you to answer the question "What
"major role" do unlicensed radio servies play in "emergency comms" as you
stated they did.

You've danced around that.

You say that you're not a bully. Another lie.


Unless you can show me a broken bone or a black eye, I'd say you are again
trying to dodge the questions by trying to make unfounded assertions.

You ask why a 911 operator must answer -all- 911 calls. Then you say
you didn't. Yet another lie.


And I've asked you to please re-post the quote wherein you say I make this
assertion.

You provide the URL to the post, Brain, and if it's othr than what I
represented it to be, I will apologize and take my licks. (No sweat there...)

And that was just this weekend!


Yes...it was...I've asked you to to validate YOUR assertion about 9-1-1
operators.

You haven't done it.

On the otherhand I have reposted not once, not twice, but three times
the post wherein you made claims about "unlicensed" radio services. I offered
to provide MORE if that weren't enough.

You've got a lot of 'splainin to do, but just save it for therapy.


No 'splanin to do, Lucy...It'a ll right there.

Bacause you're nuts.


I'd rather be nuts. That is hard to prove. On the other hand Brian Burke
is a lair, and HE proved that all on his own.

How nuts is that...?!?!

Steve, K4YZ









Steve Robeson K4CAP March 28th 04 11:41 PM

Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (William)
Date: 3/28/2004 4:18 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From:
(William)
Date: 3/27/2004 8:36 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From:
(William)
Date: 3/27/2004 12:47 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


Those darned provrbial vises.


As opposed to the vices you prefer, no doubt.


Which are?


A propensity to humiliate yourself in public, for one.

And they obviously ARE being squeezed, because you keep hollering

at
me.

Ooh, Ouch, Ooh, Ouch!

No, no, not the jumper cables.

The LPN of Torture is putting it to me. Ooh, Ouch.

hihi

You're nuts.


After reading what you just posted, Brain, who do you think would get

THAT
vote...?!?!


It was comedy aimed at your stoopid assertions of "fiction."


No...I think not.

It was fiction. Fantasy. The attempts of the cornered mind to try and
wiggle out of a rapidly-narrowing corner.

"I am laughing at the superior intellect".

Steve, K4YZ


You shouldn't. You should seek help as advised.


But Brain...You and Lennie ARE the "superior intellect" that I am laughing
at.

You DO make it sooooooooooo easy to do!

Steve, K4YZ






Len Over 21 March 29th 04 02:08 AM

In article ,
(William) writes:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From:
(William)
Date: 3/27/2004 8:37 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...


A "smear thread" insinuates that the thread was initiated with the

intent
to mislead or misrepresent some "facts" about the person targeted,

Brain.

That is correct. That would be you.


Nope.

So far, other than correctly pointing out that I make occassional

typos,
you've not been able to successfully disprove anything I've claimed about

you.

It's not a "smear" if it's true. So far you've not produced anything

that
would validate anything YOU have said, nor have you produced anything that
would DISprove anything I have said.


You say I am running and hiding from you. A lie.

You say that you're not a bully. Another lie.

You ask why a 911 operator must answer -all- 911 calls. Then you say
you didn't. Yet another lie.

And that was just this weekend!

You've got a lot of 'splainin to do, but just save it for therapy.

Bacause you're nuts.


...and perverse. :-)

Poor fella don't never seen no old Bell System documents, read the
Bell System Technical Journal, look at the FCC Common Carrier
Bureau documents and regulations, or even see standards of the
"baby bells" such as SBC. He read his QST and now he is the
master of his queen's nay-vee.* :-)

For an ace pilot with the CAP I'm surprised the paralegal gunnery
snurf didn't whoop and holler about "FAR" also being an acronym
for Federal Air Regulations. :-)

Of course, "FAR" or "DFAR" or "COR" or "CAP" has not much to
do with ham radio or whether or not it is a "service" but they are
mad as heck and aren't going to take it anymore! :-)

I wonder if those three (or four) angry-as-heck amateur radio gods
are ever going to get over their perverse personality conflicts with
anyone who disagrees with them? I doubt it. Medical science
can only do so much...

BTW, I've been at two amateur radio repeater sites, laid hands on
the equipment in the presence of other hams who were actually
nice, cordial and everything. Obviously they haven't had Article 15
thrown at them by the paralegal gunnery nurse wearing his pilot
googles and olive USMC tee-shirt with "Temper Fry" on the back.

It's not a pretty sight... :-(

Len Over 21 March 29th 04 02:08 AM

In article ,
(William) writes:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From:
(William)
Date: 3/27/2004 8:44 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From:
(William)
Date: 3/27/2004 9:01 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From:
(William)
Date: 3/26/2004 9:39 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


You think I am nuts becasue I won't let you get away with stupid
assertions that you can't/won't back up with some valid facts.

No. Read it again (and again if you have to). I think you're nuts
because you act nuts.


I've read it thoroughly. Repeatedly, even.

Again, the onlything "nuts" I see in MY behaviour is demonstrating

any
expectation that YOU would actually do any of the things asked of you.

THAT is nuts.


Just like I said, you're nuts.

Put away the sodium penethol and jumper cables.

It just isn't going to work.

You'll never make me love Morse Code.

I don't care if you ever do or not. I'd just as well keep idiots

like
you
out of the narrowband parts of the spectrum.

I just want you to answer "What "major role" do the unlicensed

radio
services play in "emergency comms", as you have suggested they do.

You tell me.


It's not my assertion, Brain. I KNOW what "major role" they

play...None.

None at all? Ever? Never?

YOU made the assertion they did. You were wrong. That was simple enough

to
admit. But then you LIED about having said it. THAT was foolish.


Lied? I said you got it wrong. That is not lying.

And I am wondering WHERE you "saw" me with "jumper cables and "sodium
penethol", Brain? Hallucinations ARE evidence of being delusional, what

the
"lay" person WOULD call "nuts".


What's next? Bamboo shoots and dripping water?

And so far all you've done is rum and hide from answering

questions
about
YOUR assertions.

Yup, rumming and hiding.


My bad on the typo, but I think you got the idea.

Dunno if I do or not.


Lack of situational awareness. Another symptom of possible delusional
circumstances.

Am I hidden well enough for you to keep from finding me?


Nope.

Oh darn, you keep finding me right after I reply to you! How do you
do it?


I follow the stench.

You are so good at this, and you're nuts.


I follow the brown streak and you wish I was...


Eeew. You're not only nuts, you're sick.

And if you think "in plain sight" is hiding, well, what can I say?

You're just nuts.


...and perverse. :-)





Mike Coslo March 29th 04 03:51 AM

William wrote:


Stern has been hard pressed to come up with something funny since he
can't talk about F anymore.


Which exposes that he wasn't particularly funny in the first place.

- Mike KB3EIA -


Mike Coslo March 29th 04 05:23 AM

Steve Robeson K4CAP wrote:

Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 3/27/2004 11:45 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article ,
(William) writes:


Mike Coslo wrote in message
...

William wrote:


(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message

...



How does a citizen call a 911 operator on a radio?

I press 911 on my HT.

- Mike KB3EIA -

I'll try it with my handheld before I turn in this evening.


I think Mike needs to consult one of his many charts. He seems
to be confusing his HT with his cell phone.



I think Lennie is making more assinine statements without the knowledge to
back it up.

One of the repeaters in my area also responds directly to a 9-1-1 input on
DTMF. No other "access tones" or anything else necessary...Of course you get
the 9-1-1 operator for that prefix, but it's a 10 second delay awaiting the
hand-off.


Our repeater has better coverage than cell phones in the area and
covers much area that doesn't have cell phone coverage *at all*. It's a
very advanced system, with several sites that poll each other for the
best signal from you, and send the strongest to the main repeater site.
So if you want to be prepared to call 911 from a wireless system in our
area, you are much better off to use our repeater system.

The only disadvantage is that the phone identifies itself to the
operator as being at the location of the repeater, so you have to
identify your position.

- Mike KB3EIA -


Steve Robeson K4CAP March 29th 04 09:10 AM

Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 3/28/2004 7:08 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article ,
(William) writes:


And if you think "in plain sight" is hiding, well, what can I say?

You're just nuts.


...and perverse.


"Perverse"...?!?!

I'm not the one leaving the brown streaks in public, Lennie...Your
puppetboy is.

Come to think of it...Isn't that about where your hand slides in to work
the head and jaw...?!?!

Don't eat before you wash that hand!

Steve, K4YZ







Steve Robeson K4CAP March 29th 04 09:13 AM

Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 3/28/2004 7:08 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


BTW, I've been at two amateur radio repeater sites, laid hands on
the equipment in the presence of other hams who were actually
nice, cordial and everything. Obviously they haven't had Article 15
thrown at them by the paralegal gunnery nurse wearing his pilot
googles and olive USMC tee-shirt with "Temper Fry" on the back.


What an imagination, Lennie...

Or is it delusional...?!?!

(I particularly like the "laid hands on" part...A bit of the Jim Bakker
syndrome, no doubt...)

It's not a pretty sight...


You mean seeing what an alleged professional has turned into in his waning
yeas...?!?!

For once you'd be right.

Steve, K4YZ







Steve Robeson K4CAP March 29th 04 09:22 AM

Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: Mike Coslo
Date: 3/28/2004 8:51 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

William wrote:


Stern has been hard pressed to come up with something funny since he
can't talk about F anymore.


Which exposes that he wasn't particularly funny in the first


BAM! Hammer on head.

If you get rid of the "f" word and any ribald reference to the female
form, and Howard Stern is just another baritone late night oldies DJ.

Funny, though, that most of the people who are NOW dropping the hammer on
him are the SAME people who laughed at him a 10-15 years ago, but NOW have
children of thier own and don't want THEM exposed to that kind of filth ! ! ! !

73

Steve, K4YZ








Steve Robeson K4CAP March 29th 04 09:26 AM

Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: Mike Coslo
Date: 3/28/2004 10:23 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Our repeater has better coverage than cell phones in the area and
covers much area that doesn't have cell phone coverage *at all*. It's a
very advanced system, with several sites that poll each other for the
best signal from you, and send the strongest to the main repeater site.
So if you want to be prepared to call 911 from a wireless system in our
area, you are much better off to use our repeater system.

The only disadvantage is that the phone identifies itself to the
operator as being at the location of the repeater, so you have to
identify your position.


I agree.

Our local ARES and Amateur clubs have a great raport with local 9-1-1
services and are regulars at their in-services to discuss what we can/cannot
do, etc. All of the local 9-1-1 operators know that if the caller ID's as "via
Ham Radio" that the call is from a remote location other than the number
calling.

That's a part of that "training" thing some posters here say doesn't
happen.


73

Steve, K4YZ






William March 29th 04 02:44 PM

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...

Regardless...Your puppetboy exposed himself and left parts out to be
stepped on that should have never seen the light of day.


Darn! I didn't realize that I had exposed myself.

I apologize. No offense meant (dear God, hope it didn't turn him on).

But I did punch in 911 on my radio and nothing happened.

YOU exacerbated the silliness by spouting off on a topic that you were,
AGAIN, ill-prepared to address. Regardless of what's "voluntary" or "not
universal", direct 9-1-1 access on Amateur repeaters IS commonplace.


But isn't what you are talking about tied to wires?

So again, how does the 911 operator with the radio talk to me?

William March 29th 04 02:48 PM

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...
Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From:
(William)
Date: 3/27/2004 8:51 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From:
(William)
Date: 3/27/2004 8:52 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...

And WHY does it take 911 operators to handle "every" call, Brain?

I might have been wrong. Perhaps answering 90% of 911 calls is
acceptable practice in some localities. "Good enuf 4 Gubmn't Work."
Like the 911 operator that kept hanging up on "sniper" Lee Malvo.

What "90%" Brain?


Now dammit, Steve, you're the one who wanted to know why it takes a
911 operator to handle every 911 call.


That's not what you wrote, Brain.


Correct. It's what you wrote.

Shall I back up a couple posts, RE-POST what was written, and ONCE AGAIN
have two-weeks worth of your newsgroup excrement in which to rub YOUR
nose...?!?!


Yup.

See above. Retract your idiotic comment or forever be known as a
liar.


Best back up, PuppetBoy. If I re-post the complete, IN-CONTEXT post,
you're gonna look stupid...AGAIN...

ALL of the 9-1-1 calls get answered where I live.


Whoa! Here too.


Glad to hear it. Ohio always has had a great emergency response
reputation, even before 9-1-1 was implemented.


Thank you.

NOT all of the calls warrant a Code 3 response.


Do all calls warrant being answered?


Did I say otherwise...?!?! If so, please cite the post wherein I did say
otherwise.


You can capture it again when you back up. But don't go changing anything.

We only
need one, maybe two on any call, if you allow for one being on the phone

and
one on the radio...

How does a citizen call a 911 operator on a radio?

Hmmmmm...there are several ways.

First of all is to use the autopatch if a licensed Amateur.

Second is to be an authorized user of the county dispatch network

(which I
am)

Third is to...never mind...I could be at this all day...


I'll bet you could. Nuts.


Yes, you are.

And you're digging yourself in deeper with every post every day.

I'd have thought you'd have learned by now.

Does your WIFE read your antics? Does she know how thoroughly you
humiliate your family name?


First you want to pick on my kids, now you want to pick on my wife.

No wonder you said you've been divorced so many times.

William March 29th 04 02:52 PM

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...
Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From:
(Len Over 21)
Date: 3/28/2004 3:32 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

If a ham punches in 911 on his or her HT on our local repeater system,
the call will indeed be patched into the local 911 center.


That's an excellent thing for your local repeater. It isn't a national
standard among U.S. amateur radio repeaters, de facto or de jure.


"De facto" or "de jure" noitwithstanding, it IS a technical possibility,
and for some of us, reality.

Sorry it punctured yet another "I Don't Have Any Practical Experience In
Amateur Radio Upon Which To Base This But I'll Take A Shot And Hope I Get Away
With It" rant, Lennie

The 911 combination IS a national standard for all telephone ESSs
in the United States and is accounted for in all number
combinations used in signalling and dialing in the telephone
infrastructure.


"911" is not.

"9-1-1" is. Please refer to the logo on any emergency vehicle that
promotes the number. This was done for a reason.


Please refer to any telephone key pad. There are no dashes on them.

Mike Coslo March 29th 04 08:34 PM

Steve Robeson K4CAP wrote:
Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: Mike Coslo
Date: 3/28/2004 8:51 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

William wrote:



Stern has been hard pressed to come up with something funny since he
can't talk about F anymore.


Which exposes that he wasn't particularly funny in the first



BAM! Hammer on head.

If you get rid of the "f" word and any ribald reference to the female
form, and Howard Stern is just another baritone late night oldies DJ.

Funny, though, that most of the people who are NOW dropping the hammer on
him are the SAME people who laughed at him a 10-15 years ago,


Yup...


but NOW have
children of thier own and don't want THEM exposed to that kind of filth ! ! ! !


And they will fail to protect *their* children just as their parents
did! 8^)

Oh well, I have mixed thoughts on the "new censorship " going on. I
prefer the airways cleaned up, but I would just as soon have Howard
removed from them because he stinks than for his profanity.

- Mike KB3EIA -


Steve Robeson K4CAP March 29th 04 09:46 PM

Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (William)
Date: 3/29/2004 7:44 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


So again, how does the 911 operator with the radio talk to me?


I am sure it's something like "goo goo gaaa gaaa". They are pretty good at
talking to a person on thier level without talking down to them.

Steve, K4YZ






Steve Robeson K4CAP March 29th 04 09:51 PM

Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (William)
Date: 3/29/2004 7:48 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From:
(William)
Date: 3/27/2004 8:51 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From:
(William)
Date: 3/27/2004 8:52 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...

And WHY does it take 911 operators to handle "every" call,

Brain?

I might have been wrong. Perhaps answering 90% of 911 calls is
acceptable practice in some localities. "Good enuf 4 Gubmn't Work."
Like the 911 operator that kept hanging up on "sniper" Lee Malvo.

What "90%" Brain?

Now dammit, Steve, you're the one who wanted to know why it takes a
911 operator to handle every 911 call.


That's not what you wrote, Brain.


Correct. It's what you wrote.


You've already been asked once to cite the post wherein you claim I said
that.

You haven't doen THAT yet either.


Glad to hear it. Ohio always has had a great emergency response
reputation, even before 9-1-1 was implemented.


Thank you.


Are YOU taking credit for this system, Brain?


Does your WIFE read your antics? Does she know how thoroughly you
humiliate your family name?


First you want to pick on my kids, now you want to pick on my wife.

No wonder you said you've been divorced so many times.


I'm not "picking" on your wife, Blockhead.

I ASKED if she "...read your antics?" and further asked if she was aware
how you "thoroughly humiliate your family name?"

Since YOU already quoted it in this same post, I need not go back for that
one.

Thanks. (...you really do make this a lot easier than you realize!)

Steve, K4YZ






Steve Robeson K4CAP March 29th 04 09:55 PM

Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (William)
Date: 3/29/2004 7:52 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From:
(Len Over 21)
Date: 3/28/2004 3:32 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


The 911 combination IS a national standard for all telephone ESSs
in the United States and is accounted for in all number
combinations used in signalling and dialing in the telephone
infrastructure.


"911" is not.

"9-1-1" is. Please refer to the logo on any emergency vehicle that
promotes the number. This was done for a reason.


Please refer to any telephone key pad. There are no dashes on them.


No, there's not.

Neither is "911"

Acting on recommendations from APCO (Lennie can tell you who THEY are...)
it was encouraged that the national emergency number be depicted as three
discreet numbers, ie: 9-1-1. Please refer to the logo on almost any emergency
vehicle in the United States.

If it would be any easier for you, I can use 9.1.1., but there are no
periods on the phone either.

Steve, K4YZ








William March 30th 04 02:43 PM

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...
Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From:
(William)
Date: 3/29/2004 7:52 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From:
(Len Over 21)
Date: 3/28/2004 3:32 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


The 911 combination IS a national standard for all telephone ESSs
in the United States and is accounted for in all number
combinations used in signalling and dialing in the telephone
infrastructure.

"911" is not.

"9-1-1" is. Please refer to the logo on any emergency vehicle that
promotes the number. This was done for a reason.


Please refer to any telephone key pad. There are no dashes on them.


No, there's not.

Neither is "911"

Acting on recommendations from APCO (Lennie can tell you who THEY are...)
it was encouraged that the national emergency number be depicted as three
discreet numbers, ie: 9-1-1. Please refer to the logo on almost any emergency
vehicle in the United States.

If it would be any easier for you, I can use 9.1.1., but there are no
periods on the phone either.

Steve, K4YZ


Why do you insist on inserting superfluous characters in the string?

Probably the same reason why you insisted the FCC keep superfluous
requirements in amateur radio testing.

Do you enjoy being wrong so often?

Has this become a part-time job for you?

Doesn't pay much, does it?

William March 30th 04 02:45 PM

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...
Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From:
(William)
Date: 3/29/2004 7:44 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


So again, how does the 911 operator with the radio talk to me?


I am sure it's something like "goo goo gaaa gaaa". They are pretty good at
talking to a person on thier level without talking down to them.

Steve, K4YZ


Typical response of someone who got his tie stuck in his zipper.

How does the 911 operator with the radio talk to me?


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