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Steve Robeson K4CAP March 24th 04 11:57 AM
Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 3/23/2004 9:47 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article ,
(Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

In the WTC Attack during 11 Sep 01, the NYC Emergency
Communications Center (in an adjacent building) was largely
destroyed by falling debris, also severing many trunk lines
of the telephone system. NYC police and fire units did work-
arounds using their own radios in a relay system to several
centrals, calling in other agencies as well as special units to
help. Some cell phone service did work, regardless of myth to
the contrary and some wired phone service still worked, used
by almost anyone on the WTC Attack scene. Amateur radio
did not play any significant part (if any at all) during the few
hours after the Attack on the WTC.

However Amateur Radio DID play a "major role" in the following DAYS of
post-incident recovery.

Incorrect. NOT a "major role." NYC handled its own debris removal.
(SNIP)

No need in trying to respond to the rest of your verbose obfuscations,
Lennie...Not when you try to go directly from Amateur Radio's role in
communicaitons to discussing "debris removal", none of which had anything to do
with the topic being discussed.

Nice dodge.


Steve, K4YZ

Steve Robeson K4CAP March 24th 04 12:21 PM
Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 3/23/2004 9:47 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article ,
(Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (William)
Date: 3/21/2004 7:14 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

I suggest you tell Average Citizen that he or she needs to have an
amateur radio operator strapped to their hip for emergency purposes.

Where did I speak of the average citizen?

That's who I've been speaking of all along. Do try to keep up.

JJ...please take CAREEFUL note.

YOU were talking about disaster preparedness, those sets of plans in
place by your local or state EMA, FEMA, etc. And in the overall scheme
of things, you (and I) are correct.

Brian is correct. You are not.

I am sure you think so.

FEMA and TEMA officials tend to think otherwise, and for SOME reason, I
value THIER opinons more than I do yours, Lennie........

The scope of operations by the larger emergency agencies in the
United States are available for viewing on the Internet.

Yes, they are.

And for those who care to be INVOLVED in those opertions, know that that
the "scope of operations" exceeds the PR spin provided on those websites.

You really do need to get Mrs Putz to let you out more, Sir Scummy.

Brain, on the other hand, having been UNABLE to successfully argue
against
the value of Amateur Radio in those plans, has shifted his definition of
"emergency comms" to those of STRICTLY "the average citizen".

Again incorrect. Brian Burke has stated the obvious condition of
emergency situations which affect ALL citizens, "average" to
the self-posturing, self-important minority who think only they are
right and "superior" to the average.

I am not "superior", however in this case I AM right.

In the very narrow slice of "emergency comms" that Brian the Brainless
has
wedged himself into, yes, John Q Public is going to whip out the old
cellphone
and call 9-1-1 to get a cop, report a fire, or request EMS for an accident
or
medical emergency...Just like he would have dialed a payphone 5 years ago.

That is more like "dialing a 'payphone' [sic] 25 years ago."

Try to keep up with urban conditions and the number of pay telephones
versus cellular handsets and subscriptions for same.

There is NO "Brian the Brainless" in here. Try to hold down the
insulting behavior.

Sure there is...Just like there's a "Dill Sergeant", "Reverend Jimmy", etc
etc etc.

There's even a Lennie the Liar.

The 911 Emergency Number plan has been in existance for far more
that "5 years." It is a national plan. It was implemented primarily
to handle the small-scale emergencies common everywhere in this
United States. Such calls are the majority of situations, not "a
very narrow slice" as you incorrectly state.

Less than 40% of ACTUAL CALLS to 9-1-1 services are bonafide
"emergencies", big or small.

In some cases the number drops to 20%.

These numbers per APCO and subject to on-going sampling.

9-1-1 has become the de facto "police" or "ambulance" number, whether or
not an emergency exists.

In a true "disaster preparedness" mode, cellphones may suffer all of
the
bad things that you and I have said they will.

Incorrect again. In a "true disaster" SITUATION (not a 'mode') the
telephone system may be overloaded. However, the same thing
may be said of all amateur radio in that same situation. Hypothetical
situations are merely hypothetical, not real things.

If every Amateur licensee was on-the-air during an "emergency" occupying a
discreet channel of his/her choice, over 80% of all available Amateur
frequencies would be empty.

It's highly unlikely that "Amateur Radio" will be "overloaded".

Hypotheses should reflect on objective consideration of the entire
situation and its infrastructure. Hypotheses should not be subjective
conjecture based on personal desires, thoughts or preferences. You
are guilty of subjective conjecture in your disordered hypothesis.

Nope.

Cellphone and hardline common carrier services HAVE suffered network-wide
failures in a number of different disaster situations.

This is not a "hypothesis" or "conjecture", Lennie.

It's happened.

THAT assertion is made upon the evidence that such incidents have
ALREADY
HAPPENED, and those occurences have been sufficient to impress the REAL
"emergency comms" planners to continue to incorporate Amateur Radio in a
wide
range of plans.

The "real emergency communications planners" are no doubt very
well aware that the telephone system can become overloaded with
callers at the onset of any large emergency. However, such
overloads affect only the switch capabilities of most subscribers,
not the users of leased lines which do not route through switches
(broadcast stations' audio, fire department station alert circuits).

Not all of which enjoy such dedicated lines.

And when teh switch itself becomes incapacitated, then it doesn't matter
HOW "dedicated" the line is...broke is broke.

Large-scale emergencies do not require "notification" of an event's
occurrance in most cases. An earthquake is most definitely felt
over a large geographical area. A tall skyscraper pair hit by
hijacked airliners is visible to tens of thousands of city dwellers.
A raging firestorm creates enough smoke to be seen to the
visible horizon. A hurricane or tornado is preceded by spectacular
(and unfortunately familiar to long-time dwellers) cloud conditions;
some tornados and nearly all hurricanes are spotted by weather
satellites and tracked, with public notifications, by NOAA. Floods
are nearly all preceded by high rainfall storms. Such "real"
emergency conditions may result in destruction of amateur radio
capabilities as well as commercial or government communiations.

And they have. Thankfully, ARES and other agencies have made
accomodations for being able to pack in back-up equipment, mobile repeaters,
etc.

Not "imagined" equipment. REAL equipment.

Reiterating from another thread, the major emergency agencies all
have websites for easy access to their organization and policy.
Information from them is public and accessible on request.

And your point is...?!?!

Is there some agency that has amateur radio as a prime method
of emergency communications by any emergency agency in the
United States? I think not. Plans and policies of the "real"
emergency agencies will place amateur radio as a secondary,
or fall-back method of communications. First choice is the
existing public safety agency communications and
communications service providers such as telephone companies.

Lennie WHO said Amateur Radio is a "PRIME" method, other than YOU...?!?!

This is not "urban legend" or based upon some " feel good news release
of
the ARRL" as Lennie the Loser would have us believe. Real, front-page news
stuff. Sorry he won't admit it, but that only helps to substantiate MY
claims
about his "superior intellect".

Personal pejoratives against another do not win your argument.

No, but your failings to substantiate anything you've asserted do.

The information about "real" emergency agencies is out there for
all to see. If all you can see is what you want to see, then you
can only be accused of narrow mental tunnel vision.

Sorry, Your Putziness...I am INVOLVED with many of these agencies.

Regardless of what some PR-intense website may or maynot say, it's what
they can actaully DO that counts.

So they may, but in times of emergency, the military and other civil
authorites will not rely on cell phones to handle major emergency
communications.

And it's always about the military and civil authorities, isn't it?


I am no longer an instrument of national policy. Are you?

As long as my Right to Vote has not been revoked, you're danged tooting
I am!

Brian used the term "instrument of national policy" as a euphemism
for military service. In this case he indicated he was no longer IN
the military service.

Regardless of what methodology he insinutated, Your Scumminess, I am as
much an "instrument of national policy" as long as I participate in the
programs dictated by that policy, and as long as I have a vote in it, my status
as a member of the Armed Forces not withstanding.

BTW: The Armed Forces are an instrument of FOREIGN policy...Posse
Commitatus refers.

Voting Rights are guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution and are NOT
restricted to military service personnel. Review Amendments 15, 17,
19, 24, and 26 to see Voting Rights for United States citizens.

If you have been discharged from military service in the United States
then you are no longer in that military service.

I never said I was.

Only YOU keep trying to amke some inference that I am, Lennie.

Try again, blockhead.

I am a veteran of U.S. Army service, 1952 to 1960. My Honorable
Discharge was granted in April, 1960. I have always been a citizen
of the United States and have managed to vote in every election
in my residence location since 1956. Regardless, you tried to
prevent my communications with my government over federal law
pending on 25 January 1999 (see FCC ECFS 98-143 for that date).

You cannot deny the above since your attempt is public information
and available for all to see.

Why do you assume "power" that you do not have?

I "assumed" nothing.

You are free to say what you want.

I am free to counter it with my own opinion.

THAT is a guarantee of the same governmental documents that you like to
cite...remember...?!?!

Why do you continue to post petty personal pejoratives against
those who disagree with you?

Perhaps becasue of the same "petty personal pejoratives" who disagree with
me, Lennie...

Seek mental health therapy. It will improve your thinking and be
better for all of us.

Seek it yourself, Lennie.

Seems to me that it's just you and Brain that have a problem with me. And
if you'd stop lying and misrepresenting the character and facts relative to
Amateur Radio, you wouldn't even have that...

Steve, K4YZ

William March 24th 04 09:00 PM
(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...
Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (William)
Date: 3/19/2004 6:09 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

JJ wrote in message
...


As far as millitary and civil authorities are concerned for official
emergency comms... a big *yes*.

Are you the SECDEF? Are you the Director of FEMA?

You paint with a broad brush and without authority.

That makes it grafitti.

He needs to be a governmenal official to paint now?

Steve, K4YZ


He has no authority to speak for the DoD and FEMA.

Steve Robeson K4CAP March 24th 04 11:14 PM
Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (William)
Date: 3/24/2004 3:00 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (William)
Date: 3/19/2004 6:09 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

JJ wrote in message
...


As far as millitary and civil authorities are concerned for official
emergency comms... a big *yes*.

Are you the SECDEF? Are you the Director of FEMA?

You paint with a broad brush and without authority.

That makes it grafitti.

He needs to be a governmenal official to paint now?

He has no authority to speak for the DoD and FEMA.

Neither JJ nor I have "(spoke) for the DoD and FEMA.".

We have made observations based upon publically available resources.

In my case I've made comments based upon practical experience AND
publically avaiable resources.

Sorry you don't agree.

Steve, K4YZ

William March 24th 04 11:40 PM
(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...

I am not "superior", however in this case I AM right.

You are "right" in your statement that you are not superior.

You are also right in your claim that you are #2.

See how those go hand in hand?

Now excuse me while I go #1.

William March 24th 04 11:46 PM
(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...

Seems to me that it's just you and Brain that have a problem with me. And
if you'd stop lying and misrepresenting the character and facts relative to
Amateur Radio, you wouldn't even have that...

Steve, K4YZ

More untruths.

Mark Morgan

RRAP is littered with people you hate.

William March 24th 04 11:47 PM
(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...
Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (William)
Date: 3/22/2004 6:43 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Emergencies aren't just about continuity of government for crying out
loud!

Oh?

Right. Get a clue.

William March 24th 04 11:57 PM
(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...
Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (William)
Date: 3/20/2004 7:06 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Because all emergencies are Huge!

They are if they are happening to you.

Steve, K4YZ

Steve, sorry to bust another one of your rants.

The emergencies that could have been huge were mitigated by proper
planning and preparedness.

William March 25th 04 12:04 AM
(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...
Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (William)
Date: 3/22/2004 6:26 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

JJ wrote in message
...
Steve Robeson K4CAP wrote:

From the nature of the posts you have made ehre, I doubt that any
training
you have had has been anything anyone would call "adequate".

Not so, he has been trained to program every emergency number he could
possibably need into his cell phone speed dial.

Good grief! Why wouldn't I just dial 911?

Because 9-1-1 (...NOT "911") is not always who you need to call.

Steve, perhaps it's """9-1-1""" on your telephone, but when I enter 9
dash 1 dash one, I get a recording saying that the number I dialed is
not in service.

Not every call to Fire, Police or EMS rates a 9-1-1 response.

It is here.

Do you know the difference? Do you KNOW what's an "emergency" as opposed
to urgent or routine...?!?!

All of your posts are emergencies.

Lots of ALLCAPS, """QUOTES""", """ACCUSATIONS""", and """DEMANDS"""

However when the cell
network is either down or so overloaded because of everyone attempting
to call home to say, "I'm ok turn on your tv", that he can't get a call
through, he can use his cell phone to play games until the emergency is
over.

Ever notice how immense those pyramid alert rosters get at the bottom?

Actually, the network goes down trying to notify enough amateur
volunteers who signed on but really aren't available.

Most of the "amateur volunteers" I know have scanners, pagers and radios
on...No cellphone necessary.

Gosh. You don't say?

I'll bet they got cell phones, too.

William March 25th 04 12:08 AM
(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...
Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (William)
Date: 3/19/2004 6:16 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

I know only one Steve Roberson and he's nuts.

Well..."Steve Roberson" MAY be nuts.

I am not.

YOU, on the other hand, are not truthful.

Steve, K4YZ


I stand corrected.

Steve Robeson is nuts.

Len Over 21 March 25th 04 04:45 AM
In article ,
(William) writes:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...

Seems to me that it's just you and Brain that have a problem with me.
And
if you'd stop lying and misrepresenting the character and facts relative to
Amateur Radio, you wouldn't even have that...

Steve, K4YZ

More untruths.

Mark Morgan

RRAP is littered with people you hate.

Ahem...the sentence got mixed up.

RRAP is littered with his hatreds.

Brian, might as well give up on the gunnery nurse. All he wants to do
is fight, fight, fight. If anyone knows Don King's number maybe we
could get him to arrange a match? Like with Muhammed Ali? :-)

LHA / WMD

William March 25th 04 01:04 PM
(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article ,
 (William) writes:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...

Seems to me that it's just you and Brain that have a problem with me.
And
if you'd stop lying and misrepresenting the character and facts relative to
Amateur Radio, you wouldn't even have that...

Steve, K4YZ

More untruths.

Mark Morgan

RRAP is littered with people you hate.

Ahem...the sentence got mixed up.

RRAP is littered with his hatreds.

Brian, might as well give up on the gunnery nurse. All he wants to do
is fight, fight, fight. If anyone knows Don King's number maybe we
could get him to arrange a match? Like with Muhammed Ali? :-)

LHA / WMD

A fight with Muhammed Ali?

I think a debate between Muhammed and Steve would be more balanced and entertaining.

Steve Robeson K4CAP March 25th 04 02:03 PM
Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (William)
Date: 3/24/2004 5:46 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...

Seems to me that it's just you and Brain that have a problem with me.
And
if you'd stop lying and misrepresenting the character and facts relative to
Amateur Radio, you wouldn't even have that...

Steve, K4YZ

More untruths.

Mark Morgan

RRAP is littered with people you hate.

Mark's not here anymore.

Mark, like you, was a chronic liar.

Mark isn't here anymore because he got wise when we kept re-quoting those
things he insisted he didn't say, yet was right in front of him. In THAT
regard, it was the only wise thing he ever did (ie: leave)

Like I said...I don't tolerate liars. Mark was proven to be a liar.
Lennie's been proven to be a lair, and now you are.

Wadda ya know!

Steve, K4YZ

Steve Robeson K4CAP March 25th 04 02:06 PM
Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 3/24/2004 10:45 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

RRAP is littered with his hatreds.

Only as long as you continue to tell tales that are easily proven to be
false.

Brian, might as well give up on the gunnery nurse. All he wants to do
is fight, fight, fight. If anyone knows Don King's number maybe we
could get him to arrange a match? Like with Muhammed Ali?

There are a lot of things I'd rather do than fight.

In this case, I am not "fighting". All I am doing is airing out YOUR (and
Brain's) dirty laundry.

Fail to tell the truth and have it found out, and it WILL come back to
haunt you.

Steve, K4YZ

Steve Robeson K4CAP March 25th 04 02:08 PM
Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (William)
Date: 3/24/2004 5:57 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (William)
Date: 3/20/2004 7:06 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Because all emergencies are Huge!

They are if they are happening to you.

Steve, K4YZ

Steve, sorry to bust another one of your rants.

The emergencies that could have been huge were mitigated by proper
planning and preparedness.

Brain, do you READ what you post before you post it?

Steve, K4YZ

Steve Robeson K4CAP March 25th 04 02:13 PM
Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (William)
Date: 3/24/2004 6:04 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...

Not every call to Fire, Police or EMS rates a 9-1-1 response.

It is here.

Then you obviously don't know about tiered dispatching. (Why am I not
surprised?)

Also, most 9-1-1 centers are trying to make it well known that they want
people to use 9-1-1 for TRUE emergencies...bleeding, robbery-in-progress,
smoke/fire, etc...The cat in the tree or the broken window don't rate a Code 3
response.

Do you know the difference? Do you KNOW what's an "emergency" as
opposed
to urgent or routine...?!?!

All of your posts are emergencies.

Lots of ALLCAPS, """QUOTES""", """ACCUSATIONS""", and """DEMANDS"""

I guess that's what it takes to get a reply from you.

Not that you'd answer any of it honestly anyway.

However when the cell
network is either down or so overloaded because of everyone attempting
to call home to say, "I'm ok turn on your tv", that he can't get a call
through, he can use his cell phone to play games until the emergency is
over.

Ever notice how immense those pyramid alert rosters get at the bottom?

Actually, the network goes down trying to notify enough amateur
volunteers who signed on but really aren't available.

Most of the "amateur volunteers" I know have scanners, pagers and
radios
on...No cellphone necessary.

Gosh. You don't say?

I'll bet they got cell phones, too.

Some do.

Steve, K4YZ

Steve Robeson K4CAP March 25th 04 02:17 PM
Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (William)
Date: 3/24/2004 6:08 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (William)
Date: 3/19/2004 6:16 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

I know only one Steve Roberson and he's nuts.

Well..."Steve Roberson" MAY be nuts.

I am not.

YOU, on the other hand, are not truthful.

Steve, K4YZ


I stand corrected.

Steve Robeson is nuts.

You've made another assertion of fact, Brain.

That assertion would be, in most cases, the rendering of a diagnosis,
which requires a degree as a medical doctor.

Are you now telling us that you are a medical doctor?

Please cite what criteria you base this diagnosis on?

That I have labled you a liar after having presented you with your own
words only to have you try and deny it...?!?!

Or that I have labeled you a liar becasue you've made OTHER assertions of
fact for which you refuse to corroborate with some reasonably valid
documentation?

Steve, K4YZ

William March 25th 04 08:25 PM
(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...
Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (William)
Date: 3/24/2004 6:08 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (William)
Date: 3/19/2004 6:16 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

I know only one Steve Roberson and he's nuts.

Well..."Steve Roberson" MAY be nuts.

I am not.

YOU, on the other hand, are not truthful.

Steve, K4YZ


I stand corrected.

Steve Robeson is nuts.

You've made another assertion of fact, Brain.

That assertion would be, in most cases, the rendering of a diagnosis,
which requires a degree as a medical doctor.

Are you now telling us that you are a medical doctor?

Please cite what criteria you base this diagnosis on?

You must understand something, Steve. "Nuts" is not a medical term,
is not a diagnosis, and does not need a medical license to utter.

But you're still nuts.

Steve Robeson K4CAP March 25th 04 09:09 PM
Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (William)
Date: 3/25/2004 2:25 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

You must understand something, Steve. "Nuts" is not a medical term,
is not a diagnosis, and does not need a medical license to utter.

But you're still nuts.

But you've not explained why.

You've again made an assertion of fact without explaining what those facts
supposedly are.

I, on the other hand, have repeatedly re-posted YOUR words from these
threads proving that you DID say what you alledge you DIDN'T say.

In other words, you've been caught lying, and now you're digging yourself
in deeper.

You've proven yourself to not be truthful.

In light of this, how is anyone to accept anything else you say as being
valid unless you provide adequate validation at the time you say it?

Your only "proof" that I am "nuts" is that I keep insisting that you stand
up like a man, admit your error and take what's coming to you.

I guess you're just too stubborn or proud (both?) to realize just how far
up your "stock" would go, having already been proven to be incorrent, if you'd
just do the right thing.

But you won't. I guess I AM nuts for hoping you'd be "a stand-up guy".

Steve, K4YZ

William March 25th 04 11:57 PM
(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...
Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (William)
Date: 3/24/2004 6:04 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...

Not every call to Fire, Police or EMS rates a 9-1-1 response.

It is here.

Then you obviously don't know about tiered dispatching. (Why am I not
surprised?)

My mistake. I misread you statement.

Every emergency call here is handled by 911 operators.

Also, most 9-1-1 centers are trying to make it well known that they want
people to use 9-1-1 for TRUE emergencies...bleeding, robbery-in-progress,
smoke/fire, etc...The cat in the tree or the broken window don't rate a Code 3
response.

Do you know the difference? Do you KNOW what's an "emergency" as
opposed
to urgent or routine...?!?!

All of your posts are emergencies.

Lots of ALLCAPS, """QUOTES""", """ACCUSATIONS""", and """DEMANDS"""

I guess that's what it takes to get a reply from you.

You're more likely not to get a reply with that tactic.

Not that you'd answer any of it honestly anyway.

Not that you target minutia and then demand retribution.

However when the cell
network is either down or so overloaded because of everyone attempting
to call home to say, "I'm ok turn on your tv", that he can't get a call
through, he can use his cell phone to play games until the emergency is
over.

Ever notice how immense those pyramid alert rosters get at the bottom?

Actually, the network goes down trying to notify enough amateur
volunteers who signed on but really aren't available.

Most of the "amateur volunteers" I know have scanners, pagers and
radios
on...No cellphone necessary.

Gosh. You don't say?

I'll bet they got cell phones, too.

Some do.

Most of the people I know have cell phones.

William March 25th 04 11:58 PM
(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...
Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (William)
Date: 3/24/2004 5:57 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (William)
Date: 3/20/2004 7:06 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Because all emergencies are Huge!

They are if they are happening to you.

Steve, K4YZ

Steve, sorry to bust another one of your rants.

The emergencies that could have been huge were mitigated by proper
planning and preparedness.

Brain, do you READ what you post before you post it?

Steve, K4YZ

Steve, do you post what you post? Which one of you did it this time?

William March 26th 04 12:00 AM
(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...
Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 3/23/2004 9:47 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


Then wave your arms around, invoke the magic incantation, and
the world will be remade entirely to your desires.

Your imaginary world will be even better than you dreamed!

I again ask you as to which "imaginary" world you refer...?!?!

How many imaginary worlds do you have?

William March 27th 04 03:38 AM
(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...
Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (William)
Date: 3/24/2004 5:46 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...

Seems to me that it's just you and Brain that have a problem with me.
And
if you'd stop lying and misrepresenting the character and facts relative to
Amateur Radio, you wouldn't even have that...

Steve, K4YZ

More untruths.

Mark Morgan

RRAP is littered with people you hate.

Mark's not here anymore.

Mark, like you, was a chronic liar.

Mark isn't here anymore because he got wise when we kept re-quoting those
things he insisted he didn't say, yet was right in front of him. In THAT
regard, it was the only wise thing he ever did (ie: leave)

Like I said...I don't tolerate liars. Mark was proven to be a liar.
Lennie's been proven to be a lair, and now you are.

Wadda ya know!

Steve, K4YZ

When you take a dislike to someone, you accuse them, villify them,
make them liars, stalk them, attack them, and start numerous smear
threads about them.

RRAP is littered with people you hate.

You have yet to prove that I've lied a single time. Just repeating it
over and over doesn't make it so.

But it does make you look nuts.

William March 27th 04 03:39 AM
(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...
Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (William)
Date: 3/25/2004 2:25 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

You must understand something, Steve. "Nuts" is not a medical term,
is not a diagnosis, and does not need a medical license to utter.

But you're still nuts.

But you've not explained why.

Yes I have.

William March 27th 04 03:42 AM
(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...
Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 3/23/2004 9:47 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

He ought to read "Geek Boy Times" published by
the USMC.

Sorry that I've "been there-done that" more often than you, Lennie. It
just happens that way sometimes.

Steve, K4YZ

No doubt.

Are you still #2?

Steve Robeson K4CAP March 27th 04 07:21 AM
Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (William)
Date: 3/26/2004 9:39 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

You must understand something, Steve. "Nuts" is not a medical term,
is not a diagnosis, and does not need a medical license to utter.

But you're still nuts.

But you've not explained why.

Yes I have.

No, you've not....other than to say I'm "nuts" becasue I dare to question
you.

And so far all you've done is rum and hide from answering questions about
YOUR assertions.

Liar AND coward. Nice combo, Brain.

Steve, K4YZ

Steve Robeson K4CAP March 27th 04 07:39 AM
Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (William)
Date: 3/25/2004 5:57 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (William)
Date: 3/24/2004 6:04 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...

Not every call to Fire, Police or EMS rates a 9-1-1 response.

It is here.

Then you obviously don't know about tiered dispatching. (Why am I not
surprised?)

My mistake. I misread you statement.

Every emergency call here is handled by 911 operators.

Must be nice to have a tax base that supports having 911 oerators.

We have about 7 operators at our 9-1-1 dispatch facility.

Also, most 9-1-1 centers are trying to make it well known that they
want
people to use 9-1-1 for TRUE emergencies...bleeding, robbery-in-progress,
smoke/fire, etc...The cat in the tree or the broken window don't rate a
Code 3
response.

Do you know the difference? Do you KNOW what's an "emergency" as
opposed
to urgent or routine...?!?!

All of your posts are emergencies.

Lots of ALLCAPS, """QUOTES""", """ACCUSATIONS""", and """DEMANDS"""

I guess that's what it takes to get a reply from you.

You're more likely not to get a reply with that tactic.

What "tactic", Brain?

Firts of all I don't reply in "ALLCAPS". I do use specific words
capiltalized for emnphasis, and this only becuase it seems that YOU require
the mephasis in order to understand what's being said.

Secondly, if I put something in "quotes", it's again to specifically
emphasize the word or to make it apparent that I am repating someone elses
words.

Third, I only make "ACCUSSATIONS" when there is some proof that I am
correct.

So far you spent about 10 days dodging an explanation to questions about
YOUR assertion that unlicensed radio services play a "major role" (your
adjectives) in "emergency comms" (your "term")

Lastly, the "damands" only seem like "demands" when YOU are hard-pressed
to respond because you know that some soft, tender part of your anatomy is in
the vise.

Sorry, PuppetBoy...you put them there...Ya shouldn't have put them there
if getting them squeezed was against your nature.

Not that you'd answer any of it honestly anyway.

Not that you target minutia and then demand retribution.

If I wanted "retribution", I
d have it.

AS for "target(ing) minutia", this IS a forum about communications, and
you've made an assertion of fact about emergency communications that I am
asking you to substantiate.

So far you've refused, choosing, rather, to make assertions of mental
instability or other allegations that are so obviosly a childish, sandlot
dodge...Not that I'd expect anything else from Lennie's "mentor"...

However when the cell
network is either down or so overloaded because of everyone
attempting
to call home to say, "I'm ok turn on your tv", that he can't get a
call
through, he can use his cell phone to play games until the emergency
is
over.

Ever notice how immense those pyramid alert rosters get at the bottom?

Actually, the network goes down trying to notify enough amateur
volunteers who signed on but really aren't available.

Most of the "amateur volunteers" I know have scanners, pagers and
radios
on...No cellphone necessary.

Gosh. You don't say?

I'll bet they got cell phones, too.

Some do.

Most of the people I know have cell phones.

And your point is....?!?!

Most of the people I know are capable of lying, too, but most of them
don't. Why do you?

Steve, K4YZ

Steve Robeson K4CAP March 27th 04 07:42 AM
Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (William)
Date: 3/25/2004 6:00 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 3/23/2004 9:47 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


Then wave your arms around, invoke the magic incantation, and
the world will be remade entirely to your desires.

Your imaginary world will be even better than you dreamed!

I again ask you as to which "imaginary" world you refer...?!?!

How many imaginary worlds do you have?

Only the one where-in Brittany Spears shows up at my front door with
round-trip tickets to Tahiti begging me to go with her.

OIther than that, I've pretty well got you and Lennie by the cajones...As
hard as it is to hold on to something that small.

Steve, K4YZ

Steve Robeson K4CAP March 27th 04 08:25 AM
Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (William)
Date: 3/26/2004 9:38 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (William)
Date: 3/24/2004 5:46 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...

Mark isn't here anymore because he got wise when we kept re-quoting
those
things he insisted he didn't say, yet was right in front of him. In THAT
regard, it was the only wise thing he ever did (ie: leave)

Like I said...I don't tolerate liars. Mark was proven to be a liar.
Lennie's been proven to be a lair, and now you are.

When you take a dislike to someone, you accuse them, villify them,
make them liars, stalk them, attack them, and start numerous smear
threads about them.

A "smear thread" insinuates that the thread was initiated with the intent
to mislead or misrepresent some "facts" about the person targeted, Brain.

WHAT about any of my exchanges with "Mark Morgan" were not true? Mark
misrepresented himslef to be a commissioned field grade officer in the Armed
Forces of the United States. He made other accusations and statements of fact
that were each, in turn, proven to be untrue.

RRAP is littered with people you hate.

Nope. Just a FEW people proven to be mistruthful. You would be one of
them.

WHAT about my exchanges with Lennie are not true? Lennie is unlicensed in
the Amateur Radio service. He has made numerous assertions of fact that have
been disproven by myeslf and others in this forum. He has made statements
which validate MY assertion that his lack of practical experience in Amateur
Radio PRACTICE leave him poorly prepared to make INFORMED opinions about the
Amateur Radio service.

WHAT about my exchanges with YOU are not true? You have made numerous
assertions of fact about operating from a U.N.-controlled area of the world and
have yet to provide any validation of your legitimacy in doing so. You
can't/won't even provide the callsign of ONE station you "worked" while
operating from there You have further made assertions of fact pertaining to
emergency copmmunications practice and application that I've asked you to
substantiate, yet you've spent almost two weeks spinning and dancing around
THAT.

You have yet to prove that I've lied a single time. Just repeating it
over and over doesn't make it so.

I HAVE proven you've lied, Brain. YOU have asserted that you never said
that the unlicensed radio services "play a "major role" in emergency comms".

I have repeated the very same quote a couple of times THIS WEEK. THAT was
just ONE of them...I can eat up bandwidth all day re-quoting your dodges if
it's necessary, but why?

You made an assertion. I asked you to back it up. You then claimed you
never made the assertion but then I showed you did. You've now lied about
that.

But it does make you look nuts.

Uh huh. Right. The only thing that might make me look nuts is my
steadfast expectation that you will manifest enough internal fortitude to be
stand-up enough to answer the questions put to you over YOUR assertions.

Steve, K4YZ

Steve Robeson K4CAP March 27th 04 08:32 AM
Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (Steve Robeson K4CAP)
Date: 3/27/2004 1:39 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (William)
Date: 3/25/2004 5:57 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (William)
Date: 3/24/2004 6:04 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...

Not every call to Fire, Police or EMS rates a 9-1-1 response.

It is here.

Then you obviously don't know about tiered dispatching. (Why am I
not
surprised?)

My mistake. I misread you statement.

Every emergency call here is handled by 911 operators.

Must be nice to have a tax base that supports having 911 oerators.

Excuse me..."operators".

And WHY does it take 911 operators to handle "every" call, Brain? We only
need one, maybe two on any call, if you allow for one being on the phone and
one on the radio...

Steve, K4YZ

Steve, K4YZ

William March 27th 04 02:52 PM
(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...

And WHY does it take 911 operators to handle "every" call, Brain?

I might have been wrong. Perhaps answering 90% of 911 calls is
acceptable practice in some localities. "Good enuf 4 Gubmn't Work."
Like the 911 operator that kept hanging up on "sniper" Lee Malvo.

We only
need one, maybe two on any call, if you allow for one being on the phone and
one on the radio...

How does a citizen call a 911 operator on a radio?

Steve, K4YZ

Steve, K4YZ

bb

bb

William March 27th 04 02:56 PM
(William) wrote in message . com...
 (Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article ,
 (William) writes:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...

Seems to me that it's just you and Brain that have a problem with me.
And
if you'd stop lying and misrepresenting the character and facts relative to
Amateur Radio, you wouldn't even have that...

Steve, K4YZ

More untruths.

Mark Morgan

RRAP is littered with people you hate.

Ahem...the sentence got mixed up.

RRAP is littered with his hatreds.

Brian, might as well give up on the gunnery nurse. All he wants to do
is fight, fight, fight. If anyone knows Don King's number maybe we
could get him to arrange a match? Like with Muhammed Ali? :-)

LHA / WMD

A fight with Muhammed Ali?

I think a debate between Muhammed and Steve would be more balanced and entertaining.

Spelling B?

William March 27th 04 03:01 PM
(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...
Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (William)
Date: 3/26/2004 9:39 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

You must understand something, Steve. "Nuts" is not a medical term,
is not a diagnosis, and does not need a medical license to utter.

But you're still nuts.

But you've not explained why.

Yes I have.

No, you've not....other than to say I'm "nuts" becasue I dare to question
you.

Question me? Is THAT what *#*YOU*#* Call it?!?

Interrogation is more like it. And I've told you that time and again.

Get a grip, man.

That's why I think you're nuts.

Put away the sodium penethol and jumper cables.

It just isn't going to work.

You'll never make me love Morse Code.

And so far all you've done is rum and hide from answering questions about
YOUR assertions.

Yup, rumming and hiding.

Liar AND coward. Nice combo, Brain.

Steve, K4YZ

Nuts.

Steve Robeson K4CAP March 27th 04 03:06 PM
Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (William)
Date: 3/27/2004 8:52 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...

And WHY does it take 911 operators to handle "every" call, Brain?

I might have been wrong. Perhaps answering 90% of 911 calls is
acceptable practice in some localities. "Good enuf 4 Gubmn't Work."
Like the 911 operator that kept hanging up on "sniper" Lee Malvo.

What "90%" Brain?

ALL of the 9-1-1 calls get answered where I live.

NOT all of the calls warrant a Code 3 response.

We only
need one, maybe two on any call, if you allow for one being on the phone
and
one on the radio...

How does a citizen call a 911 operator on a radio?

Hmmmmm...there are several ways.

First of all is to use the autopatch if a licensed Amateur.

Second is to be an authorized user of the county dispatch network (which I
am)

Third is to...never mind...I could be at this all day...

But in the CONTEXT which I made the comment, one 9-1-1 operator handles an
RFS (request-for-service) on the phone with the RP (reporting party) while
another monitors the phone call and dispatches the appropriate assets.

Somehow I think you knew that, so I'll just cut your trolling line right
here.

Steve, K4YZ

Steve Robeson K4CAP March 27th 04 03:12 PM
Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (William)
Date: 3/27/2004 9:01 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (William)
Date: 3/26/2004 9:39 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

You must understand something, Steve. "Nuts" is not a medical term,
is not a diagnosis, and does not need a medical license to utter.

But you're still nuts.

But you've not explained why.

Yes I have.

No, you've not....other than to say I'm "nuts" becasue I dare to
question
you.

Question me? Is THAT what *#*YOU*#* Call it?!?

Interrogation is more like it. And I've told you that time and again.

Get a grip, man.

That's why I think you're nuts.

You think I am nuts becasue I won't let you get away with stupid
assertions that you can't/won't back up with some valid facts.

Put away the sodium penethol and jumper cables.

It just isn't going to work.

You'll never make me love Morse Code.

I don't care if you ever do or not. I'd just as well keep idiots like you
out of the narrowband parts of the spectrum.

I just want you to answer "What "major role" do the unlicensed radio
services play in "emergency comms", as you ahve suggested they do.

And so far all you've done is rum and hide from answering questions
about
YOUR assertions.

Yup, rumming and hiding.

My bad on the typo, but I think you got the idea.

Liar AND coward. Nice combo, Brain.

Nuts.

If you insist....You're a liar, a coward, AND nuts.


Steve, K4YZ

William March 27th 04 03:14 PM
(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...
Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (William)
Date: 3/25/2004 6:00 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 3/23/2004 9:47 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


Then wave your arms around, invoke the magic incantation, and
the world will be remade entirely to your desires.

Your imaginary world will be even better than you dreamed!

I again ask you as to which "imaginary" world you refer...?!?!

How many imaginary worlds do you have?

Only the one where-in Brittany Spears shows up at my front door with
round-trip tickets to Tahiti begging me to go with her.

Huh? She'll just waste your time.

Try this instead:

Snipped from ARRL site
----------------------------------------------------------
"Visitors to French Polynesia must send in or bring in:

Copy of current Amateur License
Current passport
List of equipment brought with serial numbers
Copy of itinerary showing location from which they will be operating
Thanks to Bob, N1RA for this update:
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 11:50:15 -0400
Subject: Fo0, French Polynesia

French Polynesia, FO0, Address: Cellule P & T du Haut Commissariat de
la Republique
(HCR-CPT)
BP 115
98713 - Papeete, Tahiti, French Polynesia

Telephone: 011 689 46 8630
Fax: 011 689 46 86 33
E-Mail : [after July 1, 2003]

IMPORTANT: You must have an interpreter or speak French. They do not
speak or read English. Correspondence must be in French also.

Personal notes from David Rosenthal, N6TST, February 2002:

Proceed to the High Commissioners Office in Papeete and ask for Mr.
Sylvain Affinito (he was there in February 2002) in the office of the
Celle PTT. He will examine your paperwork and have you fill out a form
applying for your temporary permit. They should issue you an FO0
license either on the spot or by the next business day since the
documents have to be stamped and signed by an approving official. This
license will be good for 90 days, which is the maximum time a visitor
may stay in French Polynesia. There is no charge for the license.

Note that CEPT Class 2 licenses, are NOT authorized in French
Polynesia, i.e., there is no equivalent to a "codeless Tech" license
there.

For Maritime mobiles sailing into French waters you must have a valid
license to operate within the territory. Upon making your first port
of call, simply call the PTT office with the above information plus
the usual boat info. Your license can be preprocessed and if you call
back the next day he will give you your call letters and you can pick
up your license when you reach Tahiti.

Phone number for this PTT is 46-86-32, the fax is 46-86-33

Phone cards are now needed to access pay telephones and these cards
are available at most stores. They cost XPF 1,000 (about US$8) but you
can also use a major credit card in the phone.

The correct Celle PTT office is HARD to find in Papeete (there are
several) and few people know anything about amateur radio. Streets in
French Polynesia are poorly marked and address numbers virtually
unknown. Basic maps, however, are available free from tourist brochure
displays located in most stores. I've also included my own map showing
the exact location of the Celle PTT office.

Follow Avenue Bruat inland to where it ends at the entrance of the
Gendarmarie, a large police compound. Turn left before entering the
Gendarmarie gate and follow the small street about 100 feet or so
where you'll find a driveway entrance to what appears to be a
two-story apartment building. The Celle PTT office is the last one on
the ground floor and has a blue sign with white script lettering above
the door reading "Cellule des Postes et Télécommunications."

Thanks to David Rosenthal, N6TST for this update.

Additional comments: "Having experienced considerable difficulty
locating the PTT office in Papeete (Tahiti), I added correct street
directions to find the right building as well as producing a map
graphic which I included as a JPEG with this message. This map, though
small, can printed out and easily matched to many readily available
free maps on the island. Perhaps you could paste it into the page as
well since that might be the best way for folks to find their way to
the office. Anyway, I hope you find this helpful and, if I can answer
any questions or provide more information, please feel free to contact
me either via e-mail or at 760 939-5467."
For more information, contact the French Polynesian IARU."
-------------------------------------------------------------

OIther than that, I've pretty well got you and Lennie by the cajones...As
hard as it is to hold on to something that small.

See what I mean? Brittany could fall into your lap and you'd just be
thinking about some guys reproductive equipment. Huge waste of time
in my book.

Steve Robeson K4CAP March 27th 04 03:42 PM
Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (William)
Date: 3/27/2004 9:14 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (William)
Date: 3/25/2004 6:00 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 3/23/2004 9:47 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Only the one where-in Brittany Spears shows up at my front door with
round-trip tickets to Tahiti begging me to go with her.

Huh? She'll just waste your time.

Try this instead:

Snipped from ARRL site
----------------------------------------------------------
"Visitors to French Polynesia must send in or bring in:

BIG SNIP

OIther than that, I've pretty well got you and Lennie by the
cajones...As
hard as it is to hold on to something that small.

See what I mean? Brittany could fall into your lap and you'd just be
thinking about some guys reproductive equipment. Huge waste of time
in my book.

In YOUR book, perhaps.

An assumption on YOUR part that I don't speak at least competent
tourist-level French would be a foolish one.

Shall I squeeze a bit harder, Brain? Or are you finished making a fool
out of yourself...again...?

Steve, K4YZ

William March 27th 04 06:47 PM
(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...
Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (William)
Date: 3/27/2004 9:14 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (William)
Date: 3/25/2004 6:00 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 3/23/2004 9:47 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Only the one where-in Brittany Spears shows up at my front door with
round-trip tickets to Tahiti begging me to go with her.

Huh? She'll just waste your time.

Try this instead:

Snipped from ARRL site
----------------------------------------------------------
"Visitors to French Polynesia must send in or bring in:

BIG SNIP

OIther than that, I've pretty well got you and Lennie by the
cajones...As
hard as it is to hold on to something that small.

See what I mean? Brittany could fall into your lap and you'd just be
thinking about some guys reproductive equipment. Huge waste of time
in my book.

In YOUR book, perhaps.

So you value thinking about some other guys reproductive equipment
higher than you value thinking about Brittany Spears? Eeeewww!

An assumption on YOUR part that I don't speak at least competent
tourist-level French would be a foolish one.

An assumption on your part that there is an assumption on my part is
part of your assuming induced downfall.

No one even cares if you can speak tourist-level French. You are a
fool to think they do.

But with Brittany Spears in your lap, all you can think about is Len's
testicles and my testicles?

Definitely nuts.

Shall I squeeze a bit harder, Brain? Or are you finished making a fool
out of yourself...again...?

Exactly what are you squeezing, Steve?

Whatever it is, keep it away from me and quit being so gay.

Len Over 21 March 27th 04 09:18 PM
In article ,
(William) writes:

Brian, might as well give up on the gunnery nurse. All he wants to do
is fight, fight, fight. If anyone knows Don King's number maybe we
could get him to arrange a match? Like with Muhammed Ali? :-)

LHA / WMD

A fight with Muhammed Ali?

I think a debate between Muhammed and Steve would be more balanced and
entertaining.

Spelling B?

"Float like madam butterfly, sting like a spelling bee..."

Two disabled has-beens "fighting" one another. Not good show biz.

LHA / WMD

Len Over 21 March 27th 04 09:18 PM
In article ,
(William) writes:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (William)
Date: 3/26/2004 9:39 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

You must understand something, Steve. "Nuts" is not a medical term,
is not a diagnosis, and does not need a medical license to utter.

But you're still nuts.

But you've not explained why.

Yes I have.

No, you've not....other than to say I'm "nuts" becasue I dare to
question
you.

Question me? Is THAT what *#*YOU*#* Call it?!?

Interrogation is more like it. And I've told you that time and again.

Get a grip, man.

That's why I think you're nuts.

Put away the sodium penethol and jumper cables.

It just isn't going to work.

You'll never make me love Morse Code.

And so far all you've done is rum and hide from answering questions
about
YOUR assertions.

Yup, rumming and hiding.

Liar AND coward. Nice combo, Brain.

Steve, K4YZ

Nuts.

"Nuts" was good enough on the radio as a reply during the Battle
of the Bulge in the winter of '44-'45. :-)

Macauliffe prevailed and won for our side. :-)

And cashews are the chief export of Guinea-Bisseau.

LHA / WMD


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