Subject: The Pool
From: (William)
Date: 5/27/2004 7:45 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: The Pool
From: (N2EY)
Date: 5/26/2004 12:09 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Meanwhile, Amateur Radio continues. OTA, not here. Will we hear you on
7037 next Monday night?

I hope so, Jim. I am trying to put up a new attic loop right now. I
am
also experimenting with the MFJ version of the manual bandspanner as an
"emergency" antenna. I am trying to see if it can be used in an NVIS
configuration, or if it is too mechanically short.

73

Steve, K4YZ

NVIS prop is usually several db down ordinary skywave.

Depends on who you want to talk to and where they are.

Yes, from my QTH to yours would probably present a several db difference.

But remember what NVIS is for. It's for using HF spectrum for local to
regional communications. It's NOT for continental or DX purposes. I have a
very specific need to have reliable comms on 3.5, 3.9, 4.4, 4.5, 4.6 and
7.9MHz. Especially within Tennessee and the Southeastern United States.

73

Steve, K4YZ

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...
Subject: The Pool
From: (N2EY)
Date: 5/26/2004 12:09 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Meanwhile, Amateur Radio continues. OTA, not here. Will we hear you on
7037 next Monday night?

I hope so, Jim. I am trying to put up a new attic loop right now.

http://www.g3tpw.ukgateway.net/

Not a new idea but I just came upon it. Could be adapted to 40m attic use, I think.


I am
also experimenting with the MFJ version of the manual bandspanner as an
"emergency" antenna. I am trying to see if it can be used in an NVIS
configuration, or if it is too mechanically short.

I'll look that one up.

--

But you haven't answered my other questions, Steve.

73 de Jim, N2EY

In article ,
(William) writes:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: The Pool
From: (N2EY)
Date: 5/26/2004 12:09 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Meanwhile, Amateur Radio continues. OTA, not here. Will we hear you on
7037 next Monday night?

I hope so, Jim. I am trying to put up a new attic loop right now. I
am
also experimenting with the MFJ version of the manual bandspanner as an
"emergency" antenna. I am trying to see if it can be used in an NVIS
configuration, or if it is too mechanically short.

73

Steve, K4YZ

NVIS prop is usually several db down ordinary skywave.

Be kind to someone who just found out about "Nevis." That's
important stuff for effective (but illegal) homegrown "militia"
defense of the Homeland. [remember his need for a "real military"
handset for an SG-2020? :-) ]

Maybe he is "activating" a special "amateur only MARS" unit?

["Hostile action" in TN?]

:-)

LHA / WMD

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...
Subject: The Pool
From: (William)
Date: 5/27/2004 7:45 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: The Pool
From: (N2EY)
Date: 5/26/2004 12:09 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Meanwhile, Amateur Radio continues. OTA, not here. Will we hear you on
7037 next Monday night?

I hope so, Jim. I am trying to put up a new attic loop right now. I
am
also experimenting with the MFJ version of the manual bandspanner as an
"emergency" antenna. I am trying to see if it can be used in an NVIS
configuration, or if it is too mechanically short.

73

Steve, K4YZ

NVIS prop is usually several db down ordinary skywave.

Depends on who you want to talk to and where they are.

As always.

Yes, from my QTH to yours would probably present a several db difference.

But remember what NVIS is for. It's for using HF spectrum for local to
regional communications. It's NOT for continental or DX purposes. I have a
very specific need to have reliable comms on 3.5, 3.9, 4.4, 4.5, 4.6 and
7.9MHz. Especially within Tennessee and the Southeastern United States.

73

Steve, K4YZ

Steve, I know exactly what NVIS is for.

I was trained by the inventor of the whip-tilt adapter at Hurlburt Field, FL.

Brian

In article ,
(William) writes:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: The Pool
From: (William)
Date: 5/27/2004 7:45 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: The Pool
From: (N2EY)
Date: 5/26/2004 12:09 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Meanwhile, Amateur Radio continues. OTA, not here. Will we hear you on
7037 next Monday night?

I hope so, Jim. I am trying to put up a new attic loop right now.
I
am
also experimenting with the MFJ version of the manual bandspanner as an
"emergency" antenna. I am trying to see if it can be used in an NVIS
configuration, or if it is too mechanically short.

73

Steve, K4YZ

NVIS prop is usually several db down ordinary skywave.

Depends on who you want to talk to and where they are.

As always.

Brian, don't try to discuss anything with nursie. He/she will get
it wrong and waste anothe rmonth trying to state he/she is right
when he/she is not right. :-)


Steve, I know exactly what NVIS is for.

I was trained by the inventor of the whip-tilt adapter at Hurlburt Field, FL.

NVIS (pronounced "neviss") has been in U.S. military HF-low-VHF
doctrine for communications for over two decades. Nursie never
worked any military communications so is unaware of that.

Nursie just learned about NVIS from reading this newsgroup. :-)

Nursie failed to provide a single government document name or
other identification in trying to argue that "MARS is amateur radio"
and will now try to "prove" he/she is right about NVIS, whatever
he/she says. :-)

LHA / WMD

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article ,
(William) writes:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: The Pool
From: (William)
Date: 5/27/2004 7:45 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: The Pool
From: (N2EY)
Date: 5/26/2004 12:09 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Meanwhile, Amateur Radio continues. OTA, not here. Will we hear you on
7037 next Monday night?

I hope so, Jim. I am trying to put up a new attic loop right now.
I
am
also experimenting with the MFJ version of the manual bandspanner as an
"emergency" antenna. I am trying to see if it can be used in an NVIS
configuration, or if it is too mechanically short.

73

Steve, K4YZ

NVIS prop is usually several db down ordinary skywave.

Depends on who you want to talk to and where they are.

As always.

Brian, don't try to discuss anything with nursie. He/she will get
it wrong and waste anothe rmonth trying to state he/she is right
when he/she is not right. :-)


Steve, I know exactly what NVIS is for.

I was trained by the inventor of the whip-tilt adapter at Hurlburt Field, FL.

NVIS (pronounced "neviss") has been in U.S. military HF-low-VHF
doctrine for communications for over two decades. Nursie never
worked any military communications so is unaware of that.

Nursie just learned about NVIS from reading this newsgroup. :-)

Nursie failed to provide a single government document name or
other identification in trying to argue that "MARS is amateur radio"
and will now try to "prove" he/she is right about NVIS, whatever
he/she says. :-)

LHA / WMD

I actually have an "amateur" version of the whip-tilt adapter. It
uses 3/8x24 threads rather than military fittings. It runs a hamstick
or 102" whip in the normal vertical position, and then has an angle
off of vertical (probably 15 or 20deg) for NVIS use. It was given to
me by a long-time colleague of the inventor.

I suppose now I'll be commanded to provide names and dates, patent
numbers, and a portfolio of 8x10 glossies with circles and arrows.
But I won't.

After all, "Sorry Hans, MARS IS Amateur Radio." Hi, hi!

70 tree, bb

Gee Dan, you don't mind being jerky to everyone else, but don't like
anyone getting jerky with you.

"Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in message hlink.net...
Gee everybody...look...another creative editor.

How unique.

Idiot.

Dan/W4NTI

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Are you Australian?


No. But I have blown several.

Dan/W4NTI



Too much info.

In article ,
(William) writes:

I actually have an "amateur" version of the whip-tilt adapter. It
uses 3/8x24 threads rather than military fittings. It runs a hamstick
or 102" whip in the normal vertical position, and then has an angle
off of vertical (probably 15 or 20deg) for NVIS use. It was given to
me by a long-time colleague of the inventor.

I suppose now I'll be commanded to provide names and dates, patent
numbers, and a portfolio of 8x10 glossies with circles and arrows.
But I won't.

Don't forget the QSL cards to "prove" you used a tilted whip
to work somebody...AND the signature of your authorizing
officer plus the appropriate directive/regulation! :-)

After all, "Sorry Hans, MARS IS Amateur Radio." Hi, hi!

Don Rumsfeld and company might take some issue with that,
but then someone here "knows" all about MARS.

Maybe he/she went there... :-)

"QRM Interplanetary" is the title of a short story by George O.
Smith, appeared in Astounding Science Fiction of the late
1940s. It was part of the "Venus Equilateral" series, had very
little to do with Mars. :-)

LHA / WMD

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article ,
(William) writes:

I actually have an "amateur" version of the whip-tilt adapter. It
uses 3/8x24 threads rather than military fittings. It runs a hamstick
or 102" whip in the normal vertical position, and then has an angle
off of vertical (probably 15 or 20deg) for NVIS use. It was given to
me by a long-time colleague of the inventor.

I suppose now I'll be commanded to provide names and dates, patent
numbers, and a portfolio of 8x10 glossies with circles and arrows.
But I won't.

Don't forget the QSL cards to "prove" you used a tilted whip
to work somebody...AND the signature of your authorizing
officer plus the appropriate directive/regulation! :-)

After all, "Sorry Hans, MARS IS Amateur Radio." Hi, hi!

Don Rumsfeld and company might take some issue with that,
but then someone here "knows" all about MARS.

Donnie better start kissing the former Marine's butt before Steve
decides to pull all of -his- Amateurs out of MARS.

Maybe he/she went there... :-)

"QRM Interplanetary" is the title of a short story by George O.
Smith, appeared in Astounding Science Fiction of the late
1940s. It was part of the "Venus Equilateral" series, had very
little to do with Mars. :-)

LHA / WMD

"Sorry Hans, MARS IS Amateur Radio!!!" Hi hi

In article ,
(William) writes:

I suppose now I'll be commanded to provide names and dates, patent
numbers, and a portfolio of 8x10 glossies with circles and arrows.
But I won't.

Don't forget the QSL cards to "prove" you used a tilted whip
to work somebody...AND the signature of your authorizing
officer plus the appropriate directive/regulation! :-)

After all, "Sorry Hans, MARS IS Amateur Radio." Hi, hi!

Don Rumsfeld and company might take some issue with that,
but then someone here "knows" all about MARS.

Donnie better start kissing the former Marine's butt before Steve
decides to pull all of -his- Amateurs out of MARS.

Nursie may be cutting orders to that effect even now... :-)

Maybe he/she went there... :-)

"QRM Interplanetary" is the title of a short story by George O.
Smith, appeared in Astounding Science Fiction of the late
1940s. It was part of the "Venus Equilateral" series, had very
little to do with Mars. :-)

LHA / WMD

"Sorry Hans, MARS IS Amateur Radio!!!" Hi hi

That statement is rather like Fantasy Fiction...not enough science
to be Science Fiction, though.

George O. Smith was a ham also, spent WW2 as a civilian on
the first proximity fuse production and development as an
engineer. His "Venus Equilateral" series was based on a future
communications relay station in solar orbit between Earth and
Venus...not knowing as we found out later that Venus is un-
inhabitable for humans.

So, we have nursie being a MARS volunteer thinking that "MARS
is amateur radio." Unlike Smith, he should have known from
DoD documents that MARS is a military radio service. MARS,
as such by name, existed since 1948, rather before nursie's time.

Hi hi hi. :-)

LHA / WMD