In article ,
(Len Over 21) writes:

After you've lived and experienced a few eras in anything, you'll
find lots and lots of "experts" in that anything, who either "know
all about (from reading a book or seeing a movie)" or are some-
how so gifted in their relative youth that they are divine
messengers sent to enlighten all the hoi polloi and the koi.
:-)

Gee, Len, that's interesting....

You mean like someone who's never held any class of amateur license, nor been
involved in radio regulation in any way, yet loudly and repeatedly proclaims
what changes should be made to the amateur radio regulations?

Or someone who has never been directly invoved in the raising of children, yet
proclaims what they can and cannot do at various ages - even to the point of
not allowing them to be amateur radio operators before a certain age?

Or someone who has never really learned or used Morse Code, yet loudly and
repeatedly denies its usefulness - even to the point of denying its historical
importance?

Or someone who claims a desire for "civil discussion", yet will not carry on a
civil discussion with someone of differing opinions, and instead refers to the
other parties by ad-hominem insults to their age, work, gender, license class,
education, name, ethnicity, and military service?

Subject: Able Baker Charlie
From: PAMNO (N2EY)
Date: 6/13/2004 8:07 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article ,
(Len Over 21) writes:

After you've lived and experienced a few eras in anything, you'll
find lots and lots of "experts" in that anything, who either "know
all about (from reading a book or seeing a movie)" or are some-
how so gifted in their relative youth that they are divine
messengers sent to enlighten all the hoi polloi and the koi.
:-)

Gee, Len, that's interesting....

You mean like someone who's never held any class of amateur license, nor been
involved in radio regulation in any way, yet loudly and repeatedly proclaims
what changes should be made to the amateur radio regulations?

Or someone who has never been directly invoved in the raising of children,
yet
proclaims what they can and cannot do at various ages - even to the point of
not allowing them to be amateur radio operators before a certain age?

Or someone who has never really learned or used Morse Code, yet loudly and
repeatedly denies its usefulness - even to the point of denying its
historical
importance?

Or someone who claims a desire for "civil discussion", yet will not carry on
a
civil discussion with someone of differing opinions, and instead refers to
the
other parties by ad-hominem insults to their age, work, gender, license
class,
education, name, ethnicity, and military service?

You forgot a few, Jim:

Like someone who has never been a licensed aviator who tries to advise
current aviators on navigation aid functions and techniques.

Like somone who has no training, certification or licensure in ANY
healthcare profession trying to one-upmanship those who are.

Let us not forget those who have attempted to embellish thier military
service record with the sacrifices of Soldiers who were KIA three years before
the commenter was ever IN the military.

And there are those who make scathing comments on the nature and character
of various volunteer organizations although they themselves have never been in
any of these organizations, and in one case where they hadn't even reached
puberty when they made thier "observations" on those organizations.

The list goes on.

73

Steve, K4YZ

In article ,
(Steaming Steve der STASI Unteroffizier who has to ride the coattails of those
specifically attacking personalities) scribbles:

Subject: Able Baker Charlie
From: PAMNO (N2EY)
Date: 6/13/2004 8:07 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article ,
(Len Over 21) writes:

After you've lived and experienced a few eras in anything, you'll
find lots and lots of "experts" in that anything, who either "know
all about (from reading a book or seeing a movie)" or are some-
how so gifted in their relative youth that they are divine
messengers sent to enlighten all the hoi polloi and the koi.
:-)

Gee, Len, that's interesting....

You mean like someone who's never held any class of amateur license, nor been
involved in radio regulation in any way, yet loudly and repeatedly proclaims
what changes should be made to the amateur radio regulations?

Or someone who has never been directly invoved in the raising of children,
yet
proclaims what they can and cannot do at various ages - even to the point of
not allowing them to be amateur radio operators before a certain age?

Or someone who has never really learned or used Morse Code, yet loudly and
repeatedly denies its usefulness - even to the point of denying its
historical importance?

Or someone who claims a desire for "civil discussion", yet will not carry on
a
civil discussion with someone of differing opinions, and instead refers to
the
other parties by ad-hominem insults to their age, work, gender, license
class,
education, name, ethnicity, and military service?

You forgot a few, Jim:

Like someone who has never been a licensed aviator who tries to advise
current aviators on navigation aid functions and techniques.

Oooooo...der CAP Ace SPEAKS! :-)

[single-engine rated private pilot tries to sound like multi-engine air
transport rated commercial captain or some figher jock...]

Tsk, tsk, tsk. Poor nursie, the wonderham doesn't understand that
air navigation, radio navigation aids, and techniques are NOT a part
of the NATO phonetic alphabet use. :-)

No problem. I know how TACAN, VOR, Localizer, Glideslope,
Marker Beacons, ATCRBS Transponders, Airborne radars all work
because I've been intimately involved with such hardware in design
engineering...in the labs as well as the fixed bases (airports to
civilians). Nursie doesn't know ARINC from an earache, has never
met Bill Cairns of ARINC, doesn't know what an "ATR box" is but
probably (after years of military study) got to know what a "station"
on an aircraft is...:-)

None of that really involves the NATO phonetic alphabet because
nursie is too deep in his hatred of individual personalities to be able
to distinguish right from wrong.

ICAO did adopt the NATO phonetic alphabet and made it a part of
the Air Traffic Control language...which was adopted as English
internationally back in the mid-1950s. I've used that on civil aviation
radio in voice communications about 1960 for the first time. No
biggie, but nursie can't let his hatred die and must tell a bunch of
LIES about my past experience. :-)

Like somone who has no training, certification or licensure in ANY
healthcare profession trying to one-upmanship those who are.

Nursie, trying to masquerade as Dr. Killgore, Knows All, thinks he
wrote "Gray's Anatomy" or the "Physicians' Desk Companion." :-)

Nursie can't stand being "one-upped" on ANYTHING. :-)

Let us not forget those who have attempted to embellish thier military
service record with the sacrifices of Soldiers who were KIA three years before
the commenter was ever IN the military.

Two years. My assignment was to the 71st Signal Service Battalion,
8235th Army Unit. The "71st" lost 20 members on 1 Jul 50 in an air
crash in Korea, en route to bolster U.S. Army communications there.
I honor their memory and of that military unit. Hardy Barracks, the
last surviving U.S. military location in Tokyo, was named for one of
those 20, Corporal Elmer Hardy. I was billeted at Hardy Barracks.
The new transmitter site at Kashiwa was, in 1956, renamed Camp
Tomlinson in honor of one of the "71st" officers on that fatal crash.
I was in the first of C Company to move into the Kashiwa site and
help enabling the start of HF radio operations for station ADA.

I don't "embellish" anything. I was there, as assigned, did my work,
and honored those who went before. I would dishonor the names of
all 23 of my unit if I did not mention them or keep them in my heart.

And there are those who make scathing comments on the nature and
character
of various volunteer organizations although they themselves have never been in
any of these organizations, and in one case where they hadn't even reached
puberty when they made thier "observations" on those organizations.

Poor baby. Still in need of mental counsel. His obsessional hatred
abounds. "Meaningful discussion" isn't possible.

LHA

Subject: Able Baker Charlie
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 6/13/2004 3:28 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article ,
(Steaming Steve der STASI Unteroffizier who has to ride the coattails of
those
specifically attacking personalities) scribbles:

"I am only here to civilly debate the Morse Code test issue".

From the archived mistruths and fantasies of Leonard H. Anderson, a known
pathological liar and ex-test bench technician (no longer able to work regular
hours because most anyone who might hire him has finally gotten the word about
him...)

Steve, K4YZ

In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: Able Baker Charlie
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 6/13/2004 3:28 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article ,
(Steaming Steve der STASI Unteroffizier who has to ride the coattails of
those specifically attacking personalities) scribbles:

"I am only here to civilly debate the Morse Code test issue".

It's rather obvious that the PCTA do NOT want to debate any
morse code test issue. :-)

Anyone who is the slightest against manual telegraphy gets
the "rant" treatment by the PCTA. :-)

From the archived mistruths and fantasies of Leonard H. Anderson, a known
pathological liar and ex-test bench technician (no longer able to work regular
hours because most anyone who might hire him has finally gotten the word about
him...)

Poor baby. Finally went over the edge totally, ey?

Must be the Dr. Killgore personna writing that, with the "pathological
liar" label. :-)

Someone call CSI. A radio hum is ready for spontaneous
combustion now that the red fire in his eyes have spread...best
to get some forensic evidence before he makes an ash of
himself...

Beep, beep...

LHA / WMD

N2EY wrote:
In article ,
(Len Over 21) writes:


After you've lived and experienced a few eras in anything, you'll
find lots and lots of "experts" in that anything, who either "know
all about (from reading a book or seeing a movie)" or are some-
how so gifted in their relative youth that they are divine
messengers sent to enlighten all the hoi polloi and the koi.
:-)


Gee, Len, that's interesting....

You mean like someone who's never held any class of amateur license, nor been
involved in radio regulation in any way, yet loudly and repeatedly proclaims
what changes should be made to the amateur radio regulations?

Or someone who has never been directly invoved in the raising of children, yet
proclaims what they can and cannot do at various ages - even to the point of
not allowing them to be amateur radio operators before a certain age?

Or someone who has never really learned or used Morse Code, yet loudly and
repeatedly denies its usefulness - even to the point of denying its historical
importance?

Or someone who claims a desire for "civil discussion", yet will not carry on a
civil discussion with someone of differing opinions, and instead refers to the
other parties by ad-hominem insults to their age, work, gender, license class,
education, name, ethnicity, and military service?

You forgot to add:

"Someone that has a main purpose here of antagonizing people into
e-battles as a master troll." And in this case, his lack of experience
in certain areas only serves as more bait.

I for one, am impressed by just how GOOD Mr. Anderson is at this! You
(or anyone here) know what will happen when you rise to the bait, you
know pretty much what the resulting exchange will be, and yet it is
irresistable.

Whereas most antagonists eventually find no one to write to in a news
group, Len has managed to generate enough interest to make himself and
those who would spar with him into some of the leading posters.

This is no small accomplishment. I for one have to respect that.

- Mike KB3EIA -

In article , Mike Coslo
(jumping in on the Sermon On The Antenna
Mount trolling) writes:

N2EY wrote:
In article ,

(Len Over 21) writes:

snip of today's hellfire sermon...

You forgot to add:

"Someone that has a main purpose here of antagonizing people into
e-battles as a master troll." And in this case, his lack of experience
in certain areas only serves as more bait.

Awww...poor Mike got his ego perceived as stepped on?

Mike, I've been involved with radio communications since the beginning
of that in early 1953. That's 51 years.

The subject thread is supposed to be on phonetic alphabets. No
problem, I've used those since 1953 and the NATO phonetic
alphabet since 1955 (49 years for that). Is that "lack of experience?"
:-)

I for one, am impressed by just how GOOD Mr. Anderson is at this! You
(or anyone here) know what will happen when you rise to the bait, you
know pretty much what the resulting exchange will be, and yet it is
irresistable.

In other words, you DEMAND that ALL like, honor, love, and cherish
your own preferences and cannot stomach an opposite viewpoint?
:-)

Whhhooooo...you guys are in the WRONG venue to have such an
attitude on the Internet!!! :-)

Whereas most antagonists eventually find no one to write to in a news
group, Len has managed to generate enough interest to make himself and
those who would spar with him into some of the leading posters.

"Leading posters?" :-)

You mean all those wonderful folks who yell "PUTZ" and "Son of
Lennie" and "Sucks to be you" or the snarly types tawkin tuff and
trying to stuff opposite opinions into the ground?

Yup. "Leading posters." Like the ads for some up-coming horror
fantasy movie showing blood, agony, and gore all over the wall. :-)

This is no small accomplishment. I for one have to respect that.

The only ones asking for "respect" are the telegraphy gods of hum
radio, demanding all love, honor, and cherish their "superior" mode
of modes, and thus Rule over all "inferior" beings. :-)

But, the subject title was "phonetic alphabets," wasn't it?

Got a tad off the subject into Personal Hatred, dintcha? :-)

"These things just seem to write themselves" - another hum god

LHA / WMD

Len Over 21 wrote:
In article , Mike Coslo
(jumping in on the Sermon On The Antenna
Mount trolling) writes:

Awww...poor Mike got his ego perceived as stepped on?

Absolutely not! I was complementing you on something. You are pretty
good at this.


Got a tad off the subject into Personal Hatred, dintcha? :-)

I hate almost no one. Whether you like it or not, I like you.

- Mike KB3EIA -

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:
In article , Mike Coslo
(jumping in on the Sermon On The Antenna
Mount trolling) writes:

Awww...poor Mike got his ego perceived as stepped on?

Absolutely not! I was complementing you on something. You are pretty
good at this.

Those replies "just seem to write themselves..." :-)

About two decades ago I started computer-modem communications.
I've seen and met lots of discussors and just dis-cussers in person
via the BBS gatherings. How folks write here is indicative of how
they really feel, up close and personal. :-)


Got a tad off the subject into Personal Hatred, dintcha? :-)

I hate almost no one. Whether you like it or not, I like you.

Tsk, tsk, tsk, Mike. Your words in other messages betray you...

It is totally irrelevant whether anyone is "liked" or not. This is
computer-modem comms and the in-person social rules don't
apply here. The SUBJECT is the thing, but so few beginners
can't grasp that. [so few have been in real debate so they are
inexperienced]

The SUBJECT title is about phonetic alphabets. It isn't about
"being liked" or "being disliked." On the phonetics, some folks
don't like phonetic alphabets, others think they belong...a sort of
quasi-jargon to hang with all the others. Me, I got them way,
way back as part of the military procedures, used them, and
the NATO set has become standard for me and I think nothing
more about it.

Perhaps one exception: "One-three-whiskey at the brewery"
has two sets of meanings to anyone on normal downwind leg
at VNY. [Anheiser-Busch brewery is just across the runways
from the VNY tower...controllers know it, so do all the local
pilots...:-) ]

LHA / WMD

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:


Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Mike Coslo
(jumping in on the Sermon On The Antenna
Mount trolling) writes:

Awww...poor Mike got his ego perceived as stepped on?

Absolutely not! I was complementing you on something. You are pretty
good at this.


Those replies "just seem to write themselves..." :-)

About two decades ago I started computer-modem communications.

Those days were something by comparison. Phone cradle modems and slow
as molasses. Can't say as I'm all that sorry they are gone.

I've seen and met lots of discussors and just dis-cussers in person
via the BBS gatherings.

Yeah, me too.

How folks write here is indicative of how
they really feel, up close and personal. :-)

You are 100 percent correct.


Got a tad off the subject into Personal Hatred, dintcha? :-)

I hate almost no one. Whether you like it or not, I like you.


Tsk, tsk, tsk, Mike. Your words in other messages betray you...

I'm sorry you feel that way.

It is totally irrelevant whether anyone is "liked" or not.

100 percent correct. That doesn't change the fact that I do like you.

This is
computer-modem comms and the in-person social rules don't
apply here.

If you do not wish them to apply to you, they don't have to. You are
the master of what you say and do in person or in a newsgroup.

- Mike KB3EIA -

Kiki-Bueno-3-Encarta-Insipid-Autogyro

hmmm, that's beginning to sound like some of the spam I've been getting
lately! 8^)