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June 20th 04, 02:31 PM
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Subject: Able Baker Charlie
From: PAMNO (N2EY) Date: 6/19/2004 6:58 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , (Len Over 21) writes: and I mention that the U.S. military quit using manual telegraphy for fixed-point communications in 1948. They did? Everywhere? Or did they simply start phasing it out in 1948? And what about non-fixed-point communications, such as between ships? I guess we can throw out as "irrelevent" the fact that there has been rather thorough documentation of the Armed Forces' use of "manual telegraphy" for routine communications right up to the 80's....And NOT "spoon fed by ARRL publications". Of course those are FACTS, and facts don't sit well with one who can't stand the truth. Okay, any positive statements about morse code are allowed and even honored even though some of the individuals involved are obviously fish stories. "some of the individuals involved are obviously fish stories."?? What does that mean? It means that if it ruins one of Lennie's rants it but be a fish story. Those against morse code are evil, wicked, mean, and nasty, are always incorrect and should never be considered. :-) Why should anyone be "against morse code"? Becasue to be "for" Morse Code is to be AGAINST Lennie...Can't have that now! So, some olde-tyme hamme can say he "shot bears for navel intelligence" and that be okay. Navel intel is fine as long as person is for morse code. Do you mean the pictures taken by W3RV? Guess what - they're real. Like it or not, civilian contractors do go out on US Navy ships. And they do see - and photograph - some pretty unusual stuff. Once again Lennie displays his colors with the "olde tyme hamme" reference. He MUST keep on fighting the good fight over ancient postings, again and again and again and again and...yawn You mean the like the one where you called another poster a "feldwebel" and told him to "shut the hell up"? Right. Do you think it's OK to tell someone else in a newsgroup to "shut up", Len? Obviously he does. He does it frequently. Usually when he's got his tail caught under yet another rocking chair, which is pretty frequently these days! The ROE of this newsgroup is: 1. Any kind of language or lack of civility by any morse code proponent is perfectly acceptible, even encouraged. No it isn't. No more or no less than the use of blatant profanity by allegedly college educated, "professional" engineers who are "against" Morse Code. 2. Anything said by anyone who does not love, honor, cherish morse code is to be denigrated, insulted, vilified, and looked at nasty just because of what they think. Not at all. No more or less than the insistence by certain alleged "professionals" that Amateurs show awe and reverence to them as our "superiors"...Recent suggestions by one of those alleged professionals that some in this forum are "jealous" or otherwise despise them for BEING an (alleged) engineer is a prime example. All of those sub- humans must always behave civilly and show respect for the code lovers even if the code lovers are behaving as iceholes. That pretty well sums it up. Really? Again with the inference of profanity. Some professional. Rev. Jimmie, go back to Google where you live... WHO is "Rev. Jimmie", Len? Sheeesh, Jim...You don't expect Lennie will ever live up to his own rhetoric and treat others in the same way he demands that HE be treated...even when you ARE treating him the way he expects...?!?! Almost seven years now and I STILL have yet to see him do as he professes or what he says he will do. And I take the "...go back to Google" remark to be yet another "shut up" by someone who can't stand being made a fool of with his own words....Again. 73 Steve, K4YZ |
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June 20th 04, 11:19 PM
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Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: Able Baker Charlie From: PAMNO (N2EY) Date: 6/19/2004 6:58 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , (Len Over 21) writes: and I mention that the U.S. military quit using manual telegraphy for fixed-point communications in 1948. They did? Everywhere? Or did they simply start phasing it out in 1948? And what about non-fixed-point communications, such as between ships? I guess we can throw out as "irrelevent" the fact that there has been rather thorough documentation of the Armed Forces' use of "manual telegraphy" for routine communications right up to the 80's....And NOT "spoon fed by ARRL publications". And what might those "documentation" be, big-time military communicator? It couldn't be DoD Directive 4650.2 (eff. 21 Nov 03) because nursie sure as heck doesn't understand that. How about all the alleged uses in Vietnam, 1962 through 1970, as documented on the U.S. Army Center for Military History website? Can't be that one, nursie never saw it, let alone read it. How about Field Manual FM 24-24, December 1994, the index of Signal Equipment? [available at the Gen. Dennis J. Reimer digital library, public distribution, even linked-to by several ham websites] It has all the land forces signal equipment in there, but, alas, no code keys. Tsk, tsk. How about "From Flares To Satellites," a USAF history document available for public download from the USAF Communications Agency website (public distribution also, but large at ~14 MB but has pictures for those who can't understand words with more than two capitalized letters such as "CW")? Sunnuvagun! Not a single one of those predates the 1990s! Must be a Big Conspiracy to "hide CW from the masses?" Riiiight...the motion picture "Independence Day" showed us all the REAL truth where "CW" is used to defeat alien space invaders!!!! Of course those are FACTS, and facts don't sit well with one who can't stand the truth. Riiiiiight. In nursieland there be only "FACTS" put there by nursie. Okay, any positive statements about morse code are allowed and even honored even though some of the individuals involved are obviously fish stories. "some of the individuals involved are obviously fish stories."?? What does that mean? It means that if it ruins one of Lennie's rants it but be a fish story. Tsk, tsk, tsk...nursie added that nastygram just for the halibut. Those against morse code are evil, wicked, mean, and nasty, are always incorrect and should never be considered. :-) Why should anyone be "against morse code"? Becasue to be "for" Morse Code is to be AGAINST Lennie...Can't have that now! Who is "becasue?" [spelled Becky Sue wrong, nursie] So...the morse code TEST issue is not for U.S. amateur radio licensing?!?!? It is all about nursie's hatred and outrage over someone he calls "Lennie?" tsk, tsk. Nurise either gone bonkers or has mis-read Steinbeck's "Of Mice And Men." [the character of Lenny does a murder in that one...] So, some olde-tyme hamme can say he "shot bears for navel intelligence" and that be okay. Navel intel is fine as long as person is for morse code. Do you mean the pictures taken by W3RV? Guess what - they're real. Like it or not, civilian contractors do go out on US Navy ships. And they do see - and photograph - some pretty unusual stuff. Riiiiiight. All the newsgroup readers have seen those "real pictures." Suuurrrrre. :-) Nursie done flipped out, big time. tsk, tsk. Yup, like nursie believe Kellie has "26 patents?" :-) [actually, only one, the other 25 are foreign filings for the same thing...which doesn't beat mine (3,848,191) assigned to RCA which has 27 foreign filings...:-) ] Once again Lennie displays his colors with the "olde tyme hamme" reference. Poor baby. Resent getting to be an OF? [pushing 50, nursie, quit pretending to be under 30...get a toupee and get those teeth fixed] Do you think it's OK to tell someone else in a newsgroup to "shut up", Len? Obviously he does. He does it frequently. Usually when he's got his tail caught under yet another rocking chair, which is pretty frequently these days! Riiiiight. The OF diss-and-cusser wants to more of the same because his license (engraved border, suitable for framing) says it is "okay" for him to diss-and-cuss since he passed a test! :-) The ROE of this newsgroup is: 1. Any kind of language or lack of civility by any morse code proponent is perfectly acceptible, even encouraged. No it isn't. Tsk, tsk, tsk...VERY true by easily observed examples. :-) For years. :-) KH2D was a master at that. Learn from the master, grasshopper. No more or no less than the use of blatant profanity by allegedly college educated, "professional" engineers who are "against" Morse Code. Well, heck and darn, gotta cut down on all those profane words like "eliminate the morse code test," certainly those terrible four-letter words like "code" and "test." :-) Some sissies in here get into hissy-fits with strong language! 2. Anything said by anyone who does not love, honor, cherish morse code is to be denigrated, insulted, vilified, and looked at nasty just because of what they think. Not at all. No more or less than the insistence by certain alleged "professionals" that Amateurs show awe and reverence to them as our "superiors"...Recent suggestions by one of those alleged professionals that some in this forum are "jealous" or otherwise despise them for BEING an (alleged) engineer is a prime example. Awe shucks, Maude, sissie inna hissy-fit again, him laffin' an' carryin' on about superior intellect or somthin'... tsk, tsk, tsk... All of those sub- humans must always behave civilly and show respect for the code lovers even if the code lovers are behaving as iceholes. That pretty well sums it up. Really? Again with the inference of profanity. Some professional. "Icehole" is profane? Nursie insulting Minnesotans' big winter sport locations? Tsk, tsk, tsk. Well, maybe I should have split it into two words? Ya know, like "Nursie is an ice hole." Sound better? Rev. Jimmie, go back to Google where you live... WHO is "Rev. Jimmie", Len? Sheeesh, Jim...You don't expect Lennie will ever live up to his own rhetoric and treat others in the same way he demands that HE be treated...even when you ARE treating him the way he expects...?!?! Yup, Maude, sissie still got the hissy-fits... Almost seven years now and I STILL have yet to see him do as he professes or what he says he will do. Well, I admit that trying to change the FCC's mind on eliminating the morse code test from U.S. amateur radio licensing IS a long, hard task. Been at that since 1988. Sooner or later, that WILL happen... :-) Yes, I did officially retire in 1997 and I AM enjoying that, as I said I would. :-) This project of inventing anti-gravity IS VERY DIFFICULT. Not going at all as good as I expected. Something is holding me down... Temper fry... LHA / WMD |
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June 20th 04, 11:19 PM
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In article , PAMNO
(N2EY) writes: In article , (Len Over 21) writes: In article , (N2EY) writes: In article , (Len Over 21) writes: In article , (N2EY) writes: Not in the mid- to late-1950s, senior. :-) Exactly. When you were in Japan, there weren't even any Bear bombers in service. Okay, on the basis for one wrong statement, you mount an "air" assault? :-) Nope. On the basis of a whole pattern of your errors, I point them out. ;-) Sounds like nursie after the remedial English classes. "WHOLE *PATTERN* OF ERRORS!!!" :-) Billions and billions served? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Rev. Jimmie Who mounts the antenna and transmits a Sermon. Meanwhile, I thought this thread to be about Phonetic Alphabets. Must be the "new" English. It's really about some angry extra trying to get even for losing arguments in here years ago. Yawn. Rev. Jimmie Who is very predictable in that he WILL bring up old arguments time and again. We readers aren't sure exactly WHAT will be brought up and WHEN...and that lends a bit of suspense to the proceedings. Okay, so Rev. Jimmie Who says this thread is "not" about phonetic alphabets. In that case, "Able Baker Charlie" (in the subject field) must be about some skilled baker with the given name of Charles. THAT doesn't have much to do with amateur radio, let alone amateur radio policy, does it? Rev. Jimmie Who, you are becoming more cryptic every day. Reminder: FCC sayeth amateur communications must not contain encryption or anything intended to obscure meanings. The 'mean' of "meanings" is obscured, but still visible. So...tell us about YOUR days in military communications? Or civilian communications (other than amateur)? LHA / WMD |
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June 21st 04, 02:59 AM
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June 21st 04, 02:22 PM
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PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in message ...
In article , (Brian Kelly) writes: (N2EY) wrote in message ... and I mention that the U.S. military quit using manual telegraphy for fixed-point communications in 1948. They did? Everywhere? Or did they simply start phasing it out in 1948? And what about non-fixed-point communications, such as between ships? And what about the CW courses still being taught at Fort Huncha-something somewhere in the southwest? Ohyez, the feds still have an abiding and ongoing interest in the use of CW. That's for intel intercept. Listening to others use it, and maybe some spoofing and such. Sure, they'd be grossly negligent if they didn't. I'll just bet that Osama Baby has at least looked at CW for his purposes and that since 9/11 our guys have ramped up their volume of poking around for it. So yes, the feds certainly do have an ongoing and abiding interest in the use of CW, one-way for their purposes and/or otherwise. However, amateur radio isn't the military. We don't have the same mission - or the same resources. Even if we did I wouldn't go anywhere near it. So, some olde-tyme hamme can say he "shot bears for navel intelligence" and that be okay. Navel intel is fine as long as person is for morse code. Do you mean the pictures taken by W3RV? Guess what - they're real. Like it or not, civilian contractors do go out on US Navy ships. And they do see - and photograph - some pretty unusual stuff. Har, I forgot about that, you did see some of those shots I took didn't ya? Yep. Some of them. Quite impressive, actually, both the photography and the subject. Geez that pile of old photos was a real trip back huh? Oyez. Gotta love the way the Putz has twisted 'em into "Naval intel" BS. Bad pun of "navel" noted. Another example of the Putz in his seven-yer-old mode. Which he consistently drops into when he can't find an adult comment to post. No such thing, they were typical on-the-road personal unclassified snapshots and I never claimed otherwise. That's true! Every time the Soviets buzzed a carrier it became a tourist event, bloomin' hoot. Kodak could have made money with a flight deck photo processing kiosk after those flybys. I wasn't a contractor, I was a direct employee of the U.S. Department of Defense and an offical civilian guest of the skipper while I was aboard. Always nice to be friends with the guy in charge. Nah, it was just another bit of Naval tradition, DoD civilian professionals were treated as officers and were expected to reciprocate the courtesies received. I had to introduce myself to both the skipper and the air boss and join them for dinner in officer's mess on Friday evenings, etc. I knew nothing about any of it when I logged aboard the first time. A crusty Chief Yeoman sat me down in his office and went thru the list of what I had to do and not do. The Putz never managed to be either, his types did my drudge work for me for cheap. Steerage dwellers. Of course such activities are also irrelevant to amateur radio policy. End of. roger that! 73 de Jim, N2EY w3rv |
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June 21st 04, 10:42 PM
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June 24th 04, 12:30 AM
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(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article , (Brian Kelly) writes: (N2EY) wrote in message ... In article , (Brian Kelly) writes: (N2EY) wrote in message ... and I mention that the U.S. military quit using manual telegraphy for fixed-point communications in 1948. They did? Everywhere? Or did they simply start phasing it out in 1948? And what about non-fixed-point communications, such as between ships? And what about the CW courses still being taught at Fort Huncha-something somewhere in the southwest? Ohyez, the feds still have an abiding and ongoing interest in the use of CW. That's for intel intercept. Listening to others use it, and maybe some spoofing and such. Sure, they'd be grossly negligent if they didn't. I'll just bet that Osama Baby has at least looked at CW for his purposes and that since 9/11 our guys have ramped up their volume of poking around for it. So yes, the feds certainly do have an ongoing and abiding interest in the use of CW, one-way for their purposes and/or otherwise. Kelly, unable to admit what is happening since his bear-shooting days as King of the Katapults, manufactures "knowing analyses" of terrorists. He be the intelligence failure... Kelly the putz-caller seems to forget a well-publicized video bite of Osama bin Laden rather obviously using a hand-held transceiver in earlier days. No code key was evident in that video bite seen on major networks. Dammit! And I thought all the important guys carried cell phones. Kelly has NO information on "ramping up" on-off keying codes by the U.S. government or anyone else. The Military Intelligence School at Fort Huachuca has been active for years. All U.S. government agencies involved in any way use that M.I. Center, including those few needing any sort of skills with on-off codings such as morse. That as an economic consideration, not any sort of technical reason or alleged "importance of morse." Reference: Fort Huachuca public affairs office. Nice. The Fort WhaChewKah PA Office had to spell it out for those that are smitten by the myth. I can only imagine all of the telephone calls and letters from all of the morseodists that couldn't believe that morse code was not at the crux of modern communications for them to have to put such a notice in their publications. However, amateur radio isn't the military. We don't have the same mission - or the same resources. Even if we did I wouldn't go anywhere near it. Why not? "Sorry Hans, MARS IS amateur radio!" True or not true? From someone "shooting bears for naval intelligence" and bragging about "dining with the [aircraft carrier] captain," that sounds hollow. You know he has to remain silent on the "Sorry Hans, MARS IS Amateur Radio" issue. Wouldn't be PCTA if he didn't. So, some olde-tyme hamme can say he "shot bears for navel intelligence" and that be okay. Navel intel is fine as long as person is for morse code. Do you mean the pictures taken by W3RV? Guess what - they're real. Like it or not, civilian contractors do go out on US Navy ships. And they do see - and photograph - some pretty unusual stuff. Har, I forgot about that, you did see some of those shots I took didn't ya? Yep. Some of them. Quite impressive, actually, both the photography and the subject. Geez that pile of old photos was a real trip back huh? Oyez. Gotta love the way the Putz has twisted 'em into "Naval intel" BS. Bad pun of "navel" noted. Another example of the Putz in his seven-yer-old mode. Which he consistently drops into when he can't find an adult comment to post. I have no problem being "adult" - even around children and the immature. :-) When I find some PCTA who are not children in here, I might alter posting style. Best of Luck. No such thing, they were typical on-the-road personal unclassified snapshots and I never claimed otherwise. That's true! Every time the Soviets buzzed a carrier it became a tourist event, bloomin' hoot. Kodak could have made money with a flight deck photo processing kiosk after those flybys. More "tales of the South Pacific?" :-) I hope it's a musical. I wasn't a contractor, I was a direct employee of the U.S. Department of Defense and an offical civilian guest of the skipper while I was aboard. Always nice to be friends with the guy in charge. Nah, it was just another bit of Naval tradition, DoD civilian professionals were treated as officers and were expected to reciprocate the courtesies received. I had to introduce myself to both the skipper and the air boss and join them for dinner in officer's mess on Friday evenings, etc. I knew nothing about any of it when I logged aboard the first time. A crusty Chief Yeoman sat me down in his office and went thru the list of what I had to do and not do. Good ol' crusty chiefs. :-) So, the dinner table talk was all about ham radio, morse, and establishing valid QSLs for DXCC? :-) Or did the talk involve ANY radio communications? Rubber Band Man. I just knew it would be a musical. The Putz never managed to be either, his types did my drudge work for me for cheap. Steerage dwellers. Of course such activities are also irrelevant to amateur radio policy. End of. roger that! 73 de Jim, N2EY Another installment of "Tales of The South Pacific" by the ancient mariner-guest king of the katapults schmoosing with captains of aircraft carriers. Real involvement with amateur radio! Not... LHA / WMD Hey, how else could he earn his GI Bill? |
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June 24th 04, 04:12 AM
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In article ,
(William) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , (Brian Kelly) writes: (N2EY) wrote in message ... In article , (Brian Kelly) writes: (N2EY) wrote in message ... and I mention that the U.S. military quit using manual telegraphy for fixed-point communications in 1948. They did? Everywhere? Or did they simply start phasing it out in 1948? And what about non-fixed-point communications, such as between ships? And what about the CW courses still being taught at Fort Huncha-something somewhere in the southwest? Ohyez, the feds still have an abiding and ongoing interest in the use of CW. That's for intel intercept. Listening to others use it, and maybe some spoofing and such. Sure, they'd be grossly negligent if they didn't. I'll just bet that Osama Baby has at least looked at CW for his purposes and that since 9/11 our guys have ramped up their volume of poking around for it. So yes, the feds certainly do have an ongoing and abiding interest in the use of CW, one-way for their purposes and/or otherwise. Kelly, unable to admit what is happening since his bear-shooting days as King of the Katapults, manufactures "knowing analyses" of terrorists. He be the intelligence failure... Kelly the putz-caller seems to forget a well-publicized video bite of Osama bin Laden rather obviously using a hand-held transceiver in earlier days. No code key was evident in that video bite seen on major networks. Dammit! And I thought all the important guys carried cell phones. Kelly has NO information on "ramping up" on-off keying codes by the U.S. government or anyone else. The Military Intelligence School at Fort Huachuca has been active for years. All U.S. government agencies involved in any way use that M.I. Center, including those few needing any sort of skills with on-off codings such as morse. That as an economic consideration, not any sort of technical reason or alleged "importance of morse." Reference: Fort Huachuca public affairs office. Nice. The Fort WhaChewKah PA Office had to spell it out for those that are smitten by the myth. I can only imagine all of the telephone calls and letters from all of the morseodists that couldn't believe that morse code was not at the crux of modern communications for them to have to put such a notice in their publications. However, amateur radio isn't the military. We don't have the same mission - or the same resources. Even if we did I wouldn't go anywhere near it. Why not? "Sorry Hans, MARS IS amateur radio!" True or not true? From someone "shooting bears for naval intelligence" and bragging about "dining with the [aircraft carrier] captain," that sounds hollow. You know he has to remain silent on the "Sorry Hans, MARS IS Amateur Radio" issue. Wouldn't be PCTA if he didn't. So, some olde-tyme hamme can say he "shot bears for navel intelligence" and that be okay. Navel intel is fine as long as person is for morse code. Do you mean the pictures taken by W3RV? Guess what - they're real. Like it or not, civilian contractors do go out on US Navy ships. And they do see - and photograph - some pretty unusual stuff. Har, I forgot about that, you did see some of those shots I took didn't ya? Yep. Some of them. Quite impressive, actually, both the photography and the subject. Geez that pile of old photos was a real trip back huh? Oyez. Gotta love the way the Putz has twisted 'em into "Naval intel" BS. Bad pun of "navel" noted. Another example of the Putz in his seven-yer-old mode. Which he consistently drops into when he can't find an adult comment to post. I have no problem being "adult" - even around children and the immature. :-) When I find some PCTA who are not children in here, I might alter posting style. Best of Luck. No such thing, they were typical on-the-road personal unclassified snapshots and I never claimed otherwise. That's true! Every time the Soviets buzzed a carrier it became a tourist event, bloomin' hoot. Kodak could have made money with a flight deck photo processing kiosk after those flybys. More "tales of the South Pacific?" :-) I hope it's a musical. I wasn't a contractor, I was a direct employee of the U.S. Department of Defense and an offical civilian guest of the skipper while I was aboard. Always nice to be friends with the guy in charge. Nah, it was just another bit of Naval tradition, DoD civilian professionals were treated as officers and were expected to reciprocate the courtesies received. I had to introduce myself to both the skipper and the air boss and join them for dinner in officer's mess on Friday evenings, etc. I knew nothing about any of it when I logged aboard the first time. A crusty Chief Yeoman sat me down in his office and went thru the list of what I had to do and not do. Good ol' crusty chiefs. :-) So, the dinner table talk was all about ham radio, morse, and establishing valid QSLs for DXCC? :-) Or did the talk involve ANY radio communications? Rubber Band Man. I just knew it would be a musical. The Putz never managed to be either, his types did my drudge work for me for cheap. Steerage dwellers. Of course such activities are also irrelevant to amateur radio policy. End of. roger that! 73 de Jim, N2EY Another installment of "Tales of The South Pacific" by the ancient mariner-guest king of the katapults schmoosing with captains of aircraft carriers. Real involvement with amateur radio! Not... LHA / WMD Hey, how else could he earn his GI Bill? |
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