(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article , PAMNO
(N2EY) writes:

In article ,
(Len Over 21) writes:

In article ,
PAMNO
(N2EY) writes:


Not in the mid- to late-1950s, senior. :-)

Exactly. When you were in Japan, there weren't even any Bear bombers in
service.

Okay, on the basis for one wrong statement, you mount an "air"
assault? :-)

Ditto the number of active hams hamming it up for WWII [exactly zero
(0)]. But that does not stop some from revering the contributions
that hams hamming it up made in WWII [exactly zero (0)].

BTW, did you know that a Morse Exam acts as a disincentive to CW use
on HF?

And that MARS IS Amateur Radio?

Hi, hi.

These guys keep getting sillier and sillier.

In article ,
(William) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
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In article ,
(Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: Temper Fry, Was Able Baker Charlie
From: (William)
Date: 6/15/2004 9:36 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Nobody
is complaining they didn't get a QSL card from the alleged operation.

Correct. I QSL'd 100%.

It's easy to do when there's nothing to send.

Tsk, tsk. Nursie still trying to invent a stinging rebuke and his
stinger
got broke so long ago that he can't even muster a good rash... :-)

"Nothing to send."

100% of nothing is zero (0). I sent out a few more than one (1) QSL card.

Steve is telling an "untruth." SOP.

Nursie NEVER lie. Not allowed.

That should be the sub-title of every post nursie makes.

"My boots are heavy, My chin strap is tight..."

Other than humorous jody songs, his posts earn a "NCI."

(NCI = No Content Indicator)

"I don't know, but I've been told, old old arguments are mighty
cold...hup, too, tree, Foah!" :-)

Nursie's big negative nothing. Less rest mass than a neutrino.

A black hole?

Shhhh...don't mention Those things...the good Rev. might get
upset!

Steven wouldn't be caught Hawking one of them, either... :-)

Temper fry...

Tempura!

"If you knew sushi, like I know sushi, oh, oh, pass me da Tums."

:-)

LHA / WMD

In article ,
(William) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article ,

(N2EY) writes:

In article ,

(Len Over 21) writes:

In article ,
PAMNO
(N2EY) writes:

Not in the mid- to late-1950s, senior. :-)

Exactly. When you were in Japan, there weren't even any Bear bombers in
service.

Okay, on the basis for one wrong statement, you mount an "air"
assault? :-)

Ditto the number of active hams hamming it up for WWII [exactly zero
(0)]. But that does not stop some from revering the contributions
that hams hamming it up made in WWII [exactly zero (0)].

I get a kick out of the "patriots" who never served in our military
making all kinds of big, important noises about "the war effort!"

Jimmie wants to support Katapult Kellie and his shooting bears
for naval intelligence...so he loves to pick on those who served
rather close to USSR territory.

Never mind that a major area headquarters had all kinds of radio
communications running 24/7 to the States and elsewhere or
that Joe had The Bomb or that the Cold War was anything but
cold in the fifties and sixties. Jimmie gotta drag out one of the
Jane's books and Lecture all about USSR aircraft instead. Like
Jimmie spent a lot of time on the flight line, of course. :-(

Then Jimmie is working up to a hissy-fit asking "who's Rev.
Jim?" After several Sermons on the Antenna Mount, he
doesn't know?!?

Heck, he may be doing a Gibson for a religious picture, drumming
up support?

[Hoot Gibson, not Mel...]

BTW, did you know that a Morse Exam acts as a disincentive to CW use
on HF?

I'd heard that. :-)

Along with manual telegraphy skills are the epitome of excellence,
the heart and soul of U.S. amateur radio and "morse code is fast."

And that MARS IS Amateur Radio?

Hi, hi.

These guys keep getting sillier and sillier.

Could be too much RF exposure? [or the UHF connector got
put into the wrong receptacle?}

All I bothered to mention was that the old military phonetic
alphabet ("able, baker, charlie") got replaced with the NATO
phonetic alphabet ("alpha, bravo, charlie") in 1955...my next
to the last year of active duty in the U.S. Army.

Jimmie wants to rehash old, old arguments in this newsgroup
rather than focus on the reality of now. I guess he figures that
repeating the old stuff over and over might allow him to "win"
one of the arguments...like watching re-runs of "Wheel of
Fortune" and hoping some contestant will guess diffeently and
win more...

Silly. Yeah.

Subject: Able Baker Charlie
From: PAMNO (N2EY)
Date: 6/19/2004 6:58 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article ,
(Len Over 21) writes:

and I mention that
the U.S. military quit using manual telegraphy for fixed-point
communications in 1948.

They did? Everywhere?

Or did they simply start phasing it out in 1948?

And what about non-fixed-point communications, such as between ships?

I guess we can throw out as "irrelevent" the fact that there has been
rather thorough documentation of the Armed Forces' use of "manual telegraphy"
for routine communications right up to the 80's....And NOT "spoon fed by ARRL
publications".

Of course those are FACTS, and facts don't sit well with one who can't
stand the truth.

Okay, any positive statements about morse code are allowed
and even honored even though some of the individuals involved
are obviously fish stories.

"some of the individuals involved are obviously fish stories."??

What does that mean?

It means that if it ruins one of Lennie's rants it but be a fish story.

Those against morse code are evil,
wicked, mean, and nasty, are always incorrect and should never
be considered. :-)

Why should anyone be "against morse code"?

Becasue to be "for" Morse Code is to be AGAINST Lennie...Can't have that
now!

So, some olde-tyme hamme can say he "shot bears for navel
intelligence" and that be okay. Navel intel is fine as long as
person is for morse code.

Do you mean the pictures taken by W3RV? Guess what - they're real. Like it or
not, civilian contractors do go out on US Navy ships. And they do see - and
photograph - some pretty unusual stuff.

Once again Lennie displays his colors with the "olde tyme hamme"
reference.

He MUST keep on
fighting the good fight over ancient postings, again and again and
again and again and...yawn

You mean the like the one where you called another poster a "feldwebel" and
told him to "shut the hell up"?

Right.

Do you think it's OK to tell someone else in a newsgroup to "shut up", Len?

Obviously he does. He does it frequently. Usually when he's got his tail
caught under yet another rocking chair, which is pretty frequently these days!

The ROE of this newsgroup is:

1. Any kind of language or lack of civility by any morse code
proponent is perfectly acceptible, even encouraged.

No it isn't.

No more or no less than the use of blatant profanity by allegedly college
educated, "professional" engineers who are "against" Morse Code.

2. Anything said by anyone who does not love, honor, cherish
morse code is to be denigrated, insulted, vilified, and looked
at nasty just because of what they think.

Not at all.

No more or less than the insistence by certain alleged "professionals"
that Amateurs show awe and reverence to them as our "superiors"...Recent
suggestions by one of those alleged professionals that some in this forum are
"jealous" or otherwise despise them for BEING an (alleged) engineer is a prime
example.

All of those sub-
humans must always behave civilly and show respect for the
code lovers even if the code lovers are behaving as iceholes.

That pretty well sums it up.

Really?

Again with the inference of profanity.

Some professional.

Rev. Jimmie, go back to Google where you live...

WHO is "Rev. Jimmie", Len?

Sheeesh, Jim...You don't expect Lennie will ever live up to his own
rhetoric and treat others in the same way he demands that HE be treated...even
when you ARE treating him the way he expects...?!?!

Almost seven years now and I STILL have yet to see him do as he professes
or what he says he will do.

And I take the "...go back to Google" remark to be yet another "shut up"
by someone who can't stand being made a fool of with his own words....Again.

73

Steve, K4YZ

Subject: Able Baker Charlie
From: (William)
Date: 6/19/2004 10:17 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Ditto the number of active hams hamming it up for WWII [exactly zero
(0)]. But that does not stop some from revering the contributions
that hams hamming it up made in WWII [exactly zero (0)].

You made this up, right?

More over, do you BELIEVE what you wrote? I ask because there is more
than a small amount of evidence to the contrary.

BTW, did you know that a Morse Exam acts as a disincentive to CW use
on HF?

And that MARS IS Amateur Radio?

Hi, hi.

These guys keep getting sillier and sillier.

Kinda like "Unlicensed devices play a major role in "emergency
comms"...?!?!

Or..."I operated portable from Somalia"...?!?!

And let's not forget..."I consider Len to be my mentor and I admire
him"...

Sheeeesh.

Steve, K4YZ

Subject: Temper Fry, Was Able Baker Charlie
From: (William)
Date: 6/19/2004 8:10 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article ,
(Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: Temper Fry, Was Able Baker Charlie
From: (William)
Date: 6/15/2004 9:36 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Nobody
is complaining they didn't get a QSL card from the alleged operation.

Correct. I QSL'd 100%.

It's easy to do when there's nothing to send.

Tsk, tsk. Nursie still trying to invent a stinging rebuke and his
stinger
got broke so long ago that he can't even muster a good rash... :-)

"Nothing to send."

100% of nothing is zero (0). I sent out a few more than one (1) QSL card.

That you may have sent out "QSL" cards is not at issue. That you sent out
QSL cards confirming your activites from Somalia are.

What IS at issue is the validity of the operation (it wasn't) and whom you
may have had QSO's with (you refuse to state).

So far, you've not provided us with anything more than a claim that you
operated from Somalia.

Even if you DID "operate" from Somalia, from your own words in THIS forum
it's apparent that you did not have legal sanction to do what you allege to
ahve done, ergo the cards are invalid for ANY purpose other than a keepsake.

No Proof = Didn't Happen.

Steve, K4YZ

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in
:

Subject: Temper Fry, Was Able Baker Charlie
From: (William)
Date: 6/19/2004 8:10 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article ,
(Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: Temper Fry, Was Able Baker Charlie
From: (William)
Date: 6/15/2004 9:36 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Nobody
is complaining they didn't get a QSL card from the alleged
operation.

Correct. I QSL'd 100%.

It's easy to do when there's nothing to send.

Tsk, tsk. Nursie still trying to invent a stinging rebuke and his
stinger got broke so long ago that he can't even muster a good
rash...
:-)

"Nothing to send."

100% of nothing is zero (0). I sent out a few more than one (1) QSL
card.

That you may have sent out "QSL" cards is not at issue. That you
sent out
QSL cards confirming your activites from Somalia are.

What IS at issue is the validity of the operation (it wasn't) and
whom you
may have had QSO's with (you refuse to state).

So far, you've not provided us with anything more than a claim
that you
operated from Somalia.

Even if you DID "operate" from Somalia, from your own words in
THIS forum
it's apparent that you did not have legal sanction to do what you
allege to ahve done, ergo the cards are invalid for ANY purpose other
than a keepsake.

No Proof = Didn't Happen.

Steve, K4YZ







Don't forget, the requirements for DXCC are far more stringent than those
of mere legality. I have seen threads before where people have argued past
oneanother on this point, i.e. one of them has used the term 'legal' when
they were really talking about DXCC eligibility, a big mistake.

For example, operation without the permission of the owner of the land or
building is not valid for DXCC, but it is seldom illegal. More to the point
in this case, perhaps(?), operation from a war zone is legal with
permission of whoever appears to be in control, but good luck getting it
approved for DXCC.

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article ,
(William) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article ,
(Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: Temper Fry, Was Able Baker Charlie
From: (William)
Date: 6/15/2004 9:36 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Nobody
is complaining they didn't get a QSL card from the alleged operation.

Correct. I QSL'd 100%.

It's easy to do when there's nothing to send.

Tsk, tsk. Nursie still trying to invent a stinging rebuke and his
stinger
got broke so long ago that he can't even muster a good rash... :-)

"Nothing to send."

100% of nothing is zero (0). I sent out a few more than one (1) QSL card.

Steve is telling an "untruth." SOP.

Nursie NEVER lie. Not allowed.

Congenital. Like Hillary

That should be the sub-title of every post nursie makes.

"My boots are heavy, My chin strap is tight..."

Other than humorous jody songs, his posts earn a "NCI."

(NCI = No Content Indicator)

"I don't know, but I've been told, old old arguments are mighty
cold...hup, too, tree, Foah!" :-)

I think he played a bit part in "Small Soldiers."

In article , Alun
writes:

Don't forget, the requirements for DXCC are far more stringent than those
of mere legality. I have seen threads before where people have argued past
oneanother on this point, i.e. one of them has used the term 'legal' when
they were really talking about DXCC eligibility, a big mistake.

For example, operation without the permission of the owner of the land or
building is not valid for DXCC, but it is seldom illegal. More to the point
in this case, perhaps(?), operation from a war zone is legal with
permission of whoever appears to be in control, but good luck getting it
approved for DXCC.

Alun, if there be some etymology of that thread, no "DXCC" was
involved. No contesting at all was involved.

It began when Heil made some chance remark about "working
Frenchmen on 6m out of band." Brian Burke tossed that one
back to him with some mild ascerbicity which caused Heil to
go bananas. Nursie got out his rusty bayonet, locked and
loaded, and made like the Charge of Lite Brigade (which led
into the Valley of Death of his of today).

Nursie never got to Somalia, certainly not to any "hostile action"
there (or anyplace else with any proof) but Brian Burke did.
Brian earlier had made a chance remark about operating from
there on ham frequencies, getting permission from his
commanding officer. That resulted in a long, overdrawn word
battle and flame war with Heil who was resentful (to the max)
of anyone having the temerity to toss him a rejoinder. Nursie
jumped in on that with usual diss-and-cuss, trying to make
like a legal eagle with smarts instead of the hummingbird
with dumbth.

The PCTA of this newsgrope all seem to be self-righteous,
prissy puritans of perfection who will explode with outrage at
the slightest provocation of their beloved manual telegraphy
as being anything less than the ultimate skill of amateurs.

It's almost as Henry Ford put it on the color of the Model T:
"You can have any opinion you want, so long as its pro-
code."

That's the "new" freedom of speech in here. Enjoy.

In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Even if you DID "operate" from Somalia, from your own words in THIS forum
it's apparent that you did not have legal sanction to do what you allege to
ahve done, ergo the cards are invalid for ANY purpose other than a keepsake.

No Proof = Didn't Happen.

Poor nursie. Kills a horse, then keeps trying to kill it all over
again. The beat goes on...

Nursie said he was in "hostile actions" during his military days.
Doesn't give ANY details on it, no when, no where.

Nursie claims his "DD-214" says he got an "honorable
discharge" (not a medical) even though a DD-214 is a
Release from Active Duty and NOT a discharge paper.

Nursie has made numerous general claims in here without
presenting one bit of proof or names of persons who could
verify his general claims.

"No Proof = Didn't Happen."

Under the Rules of Engagement in here, all PCTAs can say
they do or have done anything and it is "the absolute truth."
All NCTAs have to present proof, give names of references,
file notarized legal papers, and probably publish it in the
Newington press...and all that will be thoroughly dissed-
and-cussed for years in here by the PCTA.

NCTAs can give government document references having
full public access specifically about a specific matter and
some PCTAs will still deny that such is proof. Hence -

"Sorry, Hans, MARS IS amateur radio."

Quod Erat Demonstrandum.

Temper fry...

LHA / WMD