Subject: K0HB Supports Terrorist Use Of GPS Net Against America
From: PAMNO (N2EY)
Date: 12/16/2004 4:26 AM Central Standard Time
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In article . com, "K4YZ"
writes:

"The Shrub"...?!?!

Yes.

Hardly. This nation has bandied-about it's "Don't Tread On Me" attitude
for since the fifties yet has gotten into the practice of tucking tail and
running when it get's slapped around a little bit.

We finally have a President who slapped back. Now everyone is upset that
he actaully DID what he said he would do.

If it's OK to call President Clinton "Slick Willy", then it's also OK to call
President Bush "the shrub".

"April Fool's Joke"...?!?!

Hans, you're an idiot or an Al-Queda supporter.

I don't think he's either.

I do.

His gross disrespect for a sitting President and obvious disdain for a
policy that is intended to deny potential adversaries the opportunity to use
our own systems against us speaks for itself.

Hans is an idiot and an Al-Queda supporter. His allegedly well-educated
mind could have more effectively expressed an opposing view of the government's
policies without being disrespectful or insulting. He didn't. He went right
to the deminutives. Funny how he accuses me of that...............

How do I know this?

Because ONLY an idiot or an Al-Queda supporter could suggest that
making it difficult for terrorists to use our own systems against us is
an "April Fool's Joke".

Why are we so dependent on such systems in the first place?

For the same reason we are so "dependent" on TV, radio, electric lights
and penicillin.

It makes our lives easier. Of course in the mean time we LOSE basic
skills that, in the absence of those assets, will be necessary.

BTW...I correct my earlier statement about Slick Willy making the
GPS net available in "93 or 94"...that was when he initially suggested
it. It became effective in 2000. It was discussed in Flying magazine
as early and the late 80's.

None-the-less, the idea of being able to inhibit or completely
disable the system is STILL not new, and I for one hope they DO keep
the reigns on it! It was an error to let it loose in the first place.

You mean "reins"?

Did you understand what I wrote, Jim?

Are you now going to follow in Brain's and Lennie's footsteps with
whittling a post down to spelling?

IIRC, the inhibition was turned off before Gulf War 1 and simply left turned
off.

Perhaps. Still does not negate the fact that it was a mistake to do so.

73

Steve, K4YZ

In article , (Steve
Robeson K4YZ) writes:

Subject: K0HB Supports Terrorist Use Of GPS Net Against America
From: PAMNO (N2EY)
Date: 12/16/2004 4:26 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article . com, "K4YZ"
writes:

"The Shrub"...?!?!

Yes.

Hardly.

How? It's a nickname. If President Clinton can be called "Slick Willy", then
President Bush II can be called "Shrub". Or "W".

One of the most important freedoms we enjoy is the freedom to publicly
criticize and disagree with public officials, including the president.

Remember too that *he* works for and answers to *us*, not the other way around.


This nation has bandied-about it's "Don't Tread On Me" attitude
for since the fifties yet has gotten into the practice of tucking tail and
running when it get's slapped around a little bit.

What *are* you talking about?

Did this nation "tuck tail and run" from Korea? Vietnam? Western Europe?
Kuwait?

We finally have a President who slapped back.

Did he slap the right people?

There is currently *no* evidence that the SH regime had anything to do with any
terror attacks. Nor is there any evidence of "weapons of mass destruction" in
that country.

Afghanistan is a different story. Yet the masterminds of the 911 attacks were
allowed to escape from that country, by the very administration you admire so
much.

The USA has spent over 1000 servicepeople's lives, many more thousands of their
injuries, and hundreds of billions of dollars to overthrow and capture SH. Now
that country is a mess, with an estimated 100,000 dead from the war and its
aftermath. And ol' SH hasn't been formally charged with anything.

Now everyone is upset that
he actaully DID what he said he would do.

No. People are upset that the results aren't what they were promised. The
mission hasn't yet been accomplished, regardless of what some banner says.

If it's OK to call President Clinton "Slick Willy", then it's also OK to
call President Bush "the shrub".

And that's a fact.

"April Fool's Joke"...?!?!

Hans, you're an idiot or an Al-Queda supporter.

I don't think he's either.

I do.

Well, he's not. And that's a fact.

His gross disrespect for a sitting President

Is 100% legal, and in true red-blooded patriotic American fashion. One can
respect the office without respecting the man.

and obvious disdain for a
policy that is intended to deny potential adversaries the opportunity to use
our own systems against us speaks for itself.

It says he disagrees with the policy. Nothing more.

Shutting down GPS may cause more problems than it solves. That's a fact.

Hans is an idiot and an Al-Queda supporter.

That's just plain bull****. No other word for it.

His allegedly well-educated
mind could have more effectively expressed an opposing view of the
government's
policies without being disrespectful or insulting. He didn't. He went right
to the deminutives. Funny how he accuses me of that...............

You mean like "Slick Willy"?

How do I know this?

Because ONLY an idiot or an Al-Queda supporter could suggest that
making it difficult for terrorists to use our own systems against us is
an "April Fool's Joke".

Why are we so dependent on such systems in the first place?

For the same reason we are so "dependent" on TV, radio, electric lights
and penicillin.

Which makes us more vulnerable.

It makes our lives easier. Of course in the mean time we LOSE basic
skills that, in the absence of those assets, will be necessary.

That loss is avoidable.

BTW...I correct my earlier statement about Slick Willy making the
GPS net available in "93 or 94"...that was when he initially suggested
it. It became effective in 2000. It was discussed in Flying magazine
as early and the late 80's.

None-the-less, the idea of being able to inhibit or completely
disable the system is STILL not new, and I for one hope they DO keep
the reigns on it! It was an error to let it loose in the first place.

You mean "reins"?

Did you understand what I wrote, Jim?

Don't you have a spellchecker, Steve?

IIRC, the inhibition was turned off before Gulf War 1 and simply left turned
off.

Perhaps. Still does not negate the fact that it was a mistake to do so.

Why was it a mistake?

Has any terror attack used the increased accuracy of GPS? Or has the increased
accuracy been used by millions of various users ranging from boaters to
surveyors as an easier, cheaper way to know where they are?

Perhaps we should ground all nongovernment aircraft bigger than a certain size,
so that a 911 style attack could never be repeated. We could also outlaw
certain fertilizers and the rental of trucks bigger than a pickup, to avoid
another Oklahoma City.

73 de Jim, N2EY

I guess what was once a priv is now our "rights!"

Protecting America is not stupid nor an April Fools joke. Hans and
Kell may want the terrs to use guidance sytems to harm America, but I'm
with Bush on this.

And though "selective availability" was initially turned off for the
Gulf War, it remained off and in 2000, Slick Willy commanded it to stay
off. They can encrypt it also.

Meanwhile, the Euro is building a compatible fleet of satellites that
the terrs can use in the absence of the USAF system.

bb

"bb" wrote

Hans and Kell may want the terrs to use guidance sytems
to harm America....

Shrub and Robeson, please meet Brian. You guys could start an act and get in
the movies.

Oops, sorry, I just checked and found that Larry, Curly, and Moe already did
that gig.

dit dit

de Hans, K0HB

Subject: K0HB Supports Terrorist Use Of GPS Net Against America
From: "KØHB"
Date: 12/16/2004 2:00 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id: et



"bb" wrote

Hans and Kell may want the terrs to use guidance sytems
to harm America....

Shrub and Robeson, please meet Brian. You guys could start an act and get in

the movies.

Oops, sorry, I just checked and found that Larry, Curly, and Moe already did
that gig.

Hans Brakob supports the use of American resources by terrorists against
America.

Hans Brakob supports terrorism.

Steve, K4YZ

"Steve Robeson K4YZ" wrote


Hans Brakob supports the use of American resources by terrorists against
America.


Quote where I expressed that support, Steve! (DOS Hint: I never said it!)

I just love using your words against you..... Here's a couple of samples

"Liar, liar, pants on fire!"

or

"You got your dirty laundry aired out and you aren't one tenth the man necessary
to say "Ooops...I was wrong.."

Sunuvagun! This is fun!

OBTW, I still think The Shrub is an idiot. So was Slick Willy.

dit dit

de Hans, K0HB

Subject: OOOpppss! You stepped in it again, Steve!
From: "KØHB"
Date: 12/16/2004 4:16 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id: t

"Steve Robeson K4YZ" wrote

Hans Brakob supports the use of American resources by terrorists against
America.


Quote where I expressed that support, Steve! (DOS Hint: I never said it!)

No "DOS Hint" needed Hans.

Your suggestion that "the president's plan" to shut down GPS in response
to some significant emergency was enough.

The article clearly defined that it was just a "plan".

That "plan" was expressed almost 10 years earlier by President Bush's
predecessor.

I just love using your words against you..... Here's a couple of samples

"Liar, liar, pants on fire!"

or

"You got your dirty laundry aired out and you aren't one tenth the man
necessary
to say "Ooops...I was wrong.."

Sunuvagun! This is fun!

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.....Hans...since you have first hand experience that I DO
admit an error, I am at a bit of a loss as to understand where you got THAT
from.

OBTW, I still think The Shrub is an idiot. So was Slick Willy.

And I think you're a two faced liar. Ya pays yer money and takes your
choice....

Hans Brakob supports terrorism.

Steve, K4YZ

Subject: K0HB Supports Terrorist Use Of GPS Net Against America
From: "bb"
Date: 12/16/2004 1:45 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id: .com

Meanwhile, the Euro is building a compatible fleet of satellites that
the terrs can use in the absence of the USAF system.

However the USAF has already demonstrated the ability to suppress
satellites from F-15's. One "high five" for "The Boys In Blue"

73

Steve, K4YZ

Maybe the USA needs to hold a "Have to get along without GPS Day!" It
would be nice if it were simultaneous with our Independance Day.
Remind the moochers of the world of the benefits they accept so freely.

Subject: K0HB Supports Terrorist Use Of GPS Net Against America
From: "bb"
Date: 12/19/2004 10:33 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id: .com

Maybe the USA needs to hold a "Have to get along without GPS Day!" It
would be nice if it were simultaneous with our Independance Day.
Remind the moochers of the world of the benefits they accept so freely.

Started laughing my butt off, but then suddenly stopped and realized that
it's really a pretty danged good idea!

And they need to give just one hour's notice. (There are very bonafide
safety issues to consider...).

73

Steve, K4YZ