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wrote: wrote: From: on Sun,Apr 17 2005 9:29 am wrote: From: on Sat,Apr 16 2005 8:44 am You're misquoting all over the place, Len. But it doesn't matter. Here, I'll clear it up: This is NOT a court of law and "exactness" of quoting is NOT required... Are you afraid of exact quotes, Len? You seem to be. Especially when they are FROM him...Because sure enough something he said is going to come back to haunt him... MARS and amateur radio aren't the same thing. But many radio amateurs are involved in MARS. The MILITARY Affiliate Radio System is DIRECTED by the Department of Defense. They function quite well by sole use of military personnel. No hams are involved in MARS? Sure they are, Jim. Lennie knows that. And Lennie ALSO knows that his "sole use of military personnel" is an absolute lie. See the links to the actual words of the DoD DIRECTIVE posted in here...see the links to several of the "Grecian Firebolt" radio exercises posted in here. Were you a part of that exercise, Len? Of course not. But Lennie COULD have been...Aafterall, HE said it's possible for non-Amateurs to become "licensed" in MARS who are not otherwise part of a relevent DoD program... Still waiting for him to tell us of how he's now on MARS without a Morse Code test.... That's my position. If Steve says different, argue with *him*. Considering that James P. Miccolis is a "good buddie" of that wonderful representative of a modern U.S. Amateur Extra, that is a specious comment of yours. Not specious at all, Len. You hold me responsible for what someone else does. Doesn't work like that, Len. Guess Lenie thinks that his sarcastic use of "wonderful representitive" doesn't work for him too. But it works just fine... You HAVE supported him in the recent past and not long ago disavowed any attempt to control his emotional outbursts. What you're saying is that if I agree with him on something, I'm somehow responsible for everything he does. As opposed to Lennie who's not even responsible for what Lennie does! MARS always was and remains a MILITARY radio system. But most of the participants aren't in the military. How do YOU know? I have sources, Len. Tsk, tsk, tsk. That is acceptible "acceptable", Len. A PROFESSIONAL writer doesn't make such mistakes. ;-) A TYPO! A TYPO! Lennie's MAD now Boys and Girls! ONLY to reputable journalistic practice. YOU are NOT a "reputable journalist." You do NOT have the qualifications. You are NOT INVOLVED in journalism. Neither are you, Len. I've been paid for papers I've written. Had them published, too. Guess that means I am "involved in journalism" too, eh...?!?! Do you feel insulted by my posts, Len? It seems so - you seem to find insult in everything. Not me. Yes, you. ESPECIALLY him! You are the one with daydreaming about the "need" of morsemanship in amateur radio licensing test. You really are unable to handle opposition and difference of viewpoints, Len. Oh, yes, that ties right in with a Canadian museum having morse code in its window...sure... Those windows really seem to bother you. ? I wash windows. I like Microsoft windows. I figured you for a Mac user, Len. What "bothers" me is that a NON-SERVUNG "SERVUNG"? What does that mean? (EVER) person tried to make out like he was the "expert" on the United States military use of radio. I don't claim to be an expert on anything, Len. I think the fact that I pointed out some of your mistakes really burns your bacon. He's made TYPOS! Lennie's REALLY mad now! You are NOT QUALIFIED for such a judgement. shrug Sure I am. Lesseee......I LOVE it when Lennie claims that one MUST have certain credentials in order to comment on military use of radio (which Lennie has not participated in in almost 50 years himself...), yet when any of us suggest that if he were a licensed Amateur with some PRACTICAL EXPERIENCE in Amateur Radio policy and practice, all he can tell us about is the licensure status of FCC commissioners and his Army days in 53-56 while getting profane and demanding! What has that to do with your claim that: "If you ain't got the guts to tell the details, you AIN'T done it. Simple as that." That's what you wrote, Len. Does it only apply to Steve and not to Brian. Simple. Brian has NOT insulted me personally, not even many times over. Robeson HAS and continues to do it. Ah, I see. If someone agrees with you and demonstrates the proper kudos, you accept what they say as absolute fact, without any details or supporting evidence. But if someone disagrees with you, and maybe "returns your fire" in the form of name calling and other jackass behavior, you demand "proof" and deny the reality of their experience. In fact, you claim that: "If you ain't got the guts to tell the details, you AIN'T done it. Simple as that." Of course you've also demonstrated that no matter what proof is presented, you won't accept it, and will attack the messenger. So there's no reason to give you details or proof. Still wondering where Lennie's pictures of his home "radio hobby" projects are...Of course he insults and He insists he has some (projects), but never discusses them or presents them. Has tons of time to insult others over theirs, though. If you don't believe I was there (I was), then Robeson's claim is irrelevant. No, it isn't. Either you were there, or you weren't. That's objective reality. Whether I believe it or not doesn't affect whether you were there or not. You claim without proof that no such person exists. So it's your word against his. Why do you feel you are INVOLVED with Robeson? What involvement? I'm simply pointing out some facts. That's what has Lennie confused. Facts are NOT his forte... You've already disavowed any capability of controlling his emotional tantrums in here. So? *You* can't control his emotional tantrums "in here", either, despite all your alleged knowledge of human nature and psychology, etc. In fact, Len, you can't even control your own emotional tantrums "in here" ;-) Extremely good point...especially with him making several posts this day alone with out-and-out demands, multiple typos (his own "rule" that typos are indicative of anger or "madness"), and frequent use of profanity and antagonistic comments such as "kiss off". Now maybe it's true and maybe it isn't. But it's basically your word against that of some unknown person. IMAGINARY person. The only way that could be proved true is if: 1) You were never at NADC, so nobody could know you from there. Nope...Lennie was there. 2) Everyone who knew you there is now dead or otherwise unable to communicate with Steve. Last I spoke with my contact there was 4 years ago. He may have passed on since then, but he's in great shape...I really doubt it. 3) You have complete information that no one you knew there has communicated with Steve. Ain't happened...Hence Lennie's frequent and lengthy tirades in here in order to mask his retreat...Problem is all he's doing is stompping that much harder! I can't "disprove" something that doesn't exist. So it's your word against his. Nothing more or less. A-yup. And it seems pretty evident from all teh rhetoric that I hit a pretty sensitive chord. He shudda kept his mouth shut instead of trying to show off! If you wish a reference to the fact that I WAS at NADC or that I worked with NADC engineers in the 1970s, you can verify that with KD6JG. Why? Was he there with you? How do I know his information is reliable? And such corroboration would only further substantiate my findings. More important - how would it prove that Steve has not communicated with someone who knew you there? =) Jimmie boy, you are getting VERY tiring with all this "intellectual word gaming" in here. Now there you go, Len, trying to make me angry by calling me names. The fact is you know you've painted yourself into a logical corner, and you're trying to bluff and bluster your way out. Can't you take "strong opposition"? Of course he can't, Jim. That's why he's so frustrated. He came in here thinking (falsely) that all those "amateurs" would just fall at his professional feet. When we not only DIDN'T kneel before him but actually demonstrated that, Yes, we CAN walk, chew gum AND talk on a radio at the same time, he got down right indignant...! All you are doing is WASTING TIME of others. How? I'm simply pointing out some of your mistakes and holes in your logic. Do you consider what you write to be a waste of time? I have plenty of time but grow tired of your constant petulance. What "petulance", Len? I'm not calling you names. I reiterate my suggestion of Lennie's perception as being better than "us"...He sees all of us as errant children, and he thinks himself the father about to administer corporal punishment. You have NO return on any investment. That's not what my monthly statements say! Seems to me all of us with an FCC Form 660 have an investment! All you seem to do is follow your buddie's word and SUPPORT him. You have NO proof that this imaginary "reference" of Robeson exists, can NOT present it to anyone else. I'm not trying to prove it one way or the other. That's for you and Steve to do. I'm just pointing out that your claims are as unproven as his. It's just your word against his. Nothing more. Uh oh...that was rationality, Jim...You'll confuse the old man. Why bother with all your foolish word games in here? Typing practice. Spelling practice. Logic practice. Plus it's mildly amusing. I kinda see it like watching a puppy chase his tail...Only I can't figure out if Lennie is the puppy or the tail. Are you that hard up for something to do? Not me. Obviously *you* are, though... Sounds to me like Lennie just wants everyone to shut up, get in line behind him, and don't do anything HE doesn't do! Bye. Off. Sounds like a veiled command for me to shut up. At least you won't call me a "feldwebel". I am sure Lennie wouldn't have known what it was if not for "Stalag 17". 73 Steve, K4YZ |
K=D8HB wrote: wrote in message oups.com... didn't they test the machines at 100 before the changeover? Ponder that question a minute! It's pretty hard to test a 60WPM machine at 100WPM until you convert it to 100WPM. Duh!!! You misunderstand - probably because I wasn't clear. Here's what I meant to say, but mangled: "Didn't 'Those In Charge Back On Land'(1), who decided to change to 100 wpm, run some off-air, lab tests on the various types of teleprinters in use by the fleet before the changeover, to see how the machines would hold up?" I guess not. They must have figured that if the teleprinter manufacturer said the machines would work at 100 wpm, and made 100 wpm gears, there would be no problem. In some cases (CVA's, CL's, CA's, and flag-configured platforms) that was possible with spare machines, but most hulls did not have that luxury. You just swapped out the gearset and crossed your fingers. If it broke, you could always send a CASREPT and shift to the FOX broadcast. I know what FOX is and I assume CASREPT is a request for a repeat. But I could be mistaken. 73 es tnx de Jim, N2EY (1) Civilian's made-up term that should be self-explanatory. |
K4YZ wrote: wrote: From: "bb" on Sun,Apr 17 2005 4:37 pm Case in point is others' opinions. Robeson labels those as "LIES," perhaps even "deceit" even though those are just personal opinions. Apparently, in Stevieworld, only Stevie Robeson has the "truth." Ergo, in the logic of Stevieworld, ALL contrary (to Robeson's) opinions are "LIES" as well as "errors" and "deceit." That's quite sick. Irrational. Opinions are just opinions. Opinions are just opinions when they start off "My opinion on the subject is..." Is that your official opinion? Lies and deceit are things like "The ARRL BoD is dishonest" or "ARES won't be able to respond becasue their members are too old and oover obligated Quite true, but Robeson hasn't learned to communicate with rational people yet. He simply drives home a blunt point that HE IS RIGHT with no proof or other reference that it IS right. (A) Neither Leonard H Anderson or Brian P Burke are rational. They both make statements in public forum contrary to the presence of data that contradicts their assertions. Yet the data also contradict your assertions, and therein is where one's opinion can be sourced. Even your own attempt at writing a simple schedule for an ARES exercise refuted your very claims that ARES alawys satisfies customers needs. (B) Nice try on the "no proof" assertions, Lennie....And only MORE proof that I am correct in calling you a liar. I am correct in calling you a liar. Your marionette is presently avoiding answering questions about his assertions of the viability of ARES in the face of NUMEROUS news releases to the contrary. Speak of avoiding... You are free to try rewriting the duty roster for that ARES exercise. But please do adhere to customers expectations. Huge snip of ususal obnxious verbosity to..... That would be "usual." Other Amateur Extras seem unable to take any strong action to stop his pollution of all threads in this newsgroup. All threads eventually turn into Robeson's insults of all his "opponents" in any discussion. A few have made negative comments to his style, notably Hans Brakob. Responses to those by Robeson were less than civil and uncomplimentary. While I have no doubt that not everyone approves of my "up in your face" methology of dealing with the two of you, I DO notice that NONE of them, other than to acknowledge your "First Amendment Right" to do so, "support" YOUR presence here, Lennie. It dosen't take one of those "inquiring minds" to know why.... You are both liiars. You don't do what you'll say you'll do. They're tired of the same "Back in 1953...." war satories. You'e deceitful. It really is THAT simple. Steve, K4YZ You've piled on the lies at an uprecedented rate in the past two weeks. Why would we believe anything you might say today? |
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wrote in message oups.com... "Didn't 'Those In Charge Back On Land'(1), who decided to change to 100 wpm, run some off-air, lab tests on the various types of teleprinters in use by the fleet before the changeover, to see how the machines would hold up?" The entire fleet was outfitted with AN/UGC-20 and AN/UGC-25 plus a scattering of AN/UGC-6 teleprinters. These are just different configurations of what civilians would call a "Model 28". The were designed to run at 45.5, 55, and 75 baud (60, 75, and 100 WPM) depending on the gearset installed. Properly maintained and adjusted, they were reliable workhorses at any designed speed. But for years they'd been plodding along at 45.5-baud in the fleet and never been exercised at the higher speed rates. Ships didn't carry gearsets for speeds above 45.5, and even if they did, changing out the gears was not a trivial task, and besides, there were no higher speed signals available to test at those higher speed. But maintenance was uneven, as was the skill level of the repairman. Many ships carried no trained repairman, and the machines only got professional attention during shipyard or tender availability periods (stand-downs for upkeep). These machines have a host of springs/clutches/latches/pivots/adjustments which each of course have design tolerances. Now at 45.5-baud a machine can tolerate some level of "out of tolerance" parts and adjustments and still operate quite satisfactorily. But jump (there's that word again) to 75 baud and all that tolerance creep would result in an inoperative machine, either printing garbage or actually physically failing as out of tolerance parts literally "ran into each other", clutches froze, bearing seized, etc. I know what FOX is and I assume CASREPT is a request for a repeat. CASREPT is "Casualty Report" --- a dreaded notice up the operational chain of command that your ship has some diminished capability to perform. Skippers don't like to send CASREPTs! Good sailors do some heroic things to protect their Skippers from such, including cumshawing a helicopter ride in the middle of the night to carry a sick AN/UGC-20 to the repair shop on a nearby Heavy. Almost as much as a good stewburner (cook) a Captain would do almost anything to get (and keep) a good teletype repairman. 73, de Hans, K0HB |
"Lloyd" wrote in message ... How many other crypto systems were there in existence that you did not have a "Need To Know" about? Almost none. As a senior member of CINCLANTs communications staff, my job required me to be familiar with the secure communications capabilities and interoperability of all US Joint (Army, Navy, Air Force) and Allied Forces assigned to the OPCON of CINCLANT. 73, de Hans, K0HB Master Chief Radioman, US Navy |
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roups.com... TTY rates jumped from 60 WPM to 100 WPM, Hardly a "jump", Len. More like a slide. I'll have to side with Len on this one. It was a JUMP, not a slide or a slither. When the USN fleet broadcasts shifted to JASON cover (100WPM) from black uncovered (60WPM), estimates are that the TTY casualty rate approached 75%. Machines which had been happily chugging along for years on 60WPM gears literally self-destructed when 100WPM gears were installed. In two experiments on a few circuits over RUAP (the TTY network identifier of messages carried through ADA) of 1955, the various teleprinters were modified with "new gears" to operate at 75 WPM. After three months the downtime on those modified machines quadrupled. Another experiment was tried in 1956 (after I had been sent back to the states) but that modified-existing-machine-type was also a negative- result test. Note: Those circuits were running 24/7 and with backup possible on older 60 WPM stcck machines. The newer 100 WPM teleprinters began to come into operational Army use in the 1960s. See the Model 33s from Teletype Corporation which served both industry and the military quite well for the next two decades. The Army had tried both a punch-card and magnetic card system for message relay in the late 1960s but with mixed success. While higher rates were possible without the strain on P-tape punchers-readers now replaced by cards, those would evolve into the all-electronic message relay systems. USAF did the same. Sorry, can't think of any fancy names applied to any of the land-based systems. :-) Guess it isn't as romantic as what the Navy had with names like ADONIS or JASON (if you like horror that one might be considered "romantic" - :-] ). |
From: "K4YZ" on Apr 18, 2:31 pm
There's NO such member at the IEEE. IEEE is a worldwide professional association. I first joined them in 1973 and am a Life Member. You can check that in the annual Membership Directory. retired (from regular hours) electronic engineer person Retired from what he alledges to have been an engineering career... Feel free to query the Personnel departments of: Rocketdyne Division of Boeing Aircraft (when it was a Division of Rockwell International), Teledyne Electronics (Newbury Park, CA), Hughes Aircraft Corporation (now owned by Ford? see ElSegundo radar and Canoga Park missle divisions), RCA Corporation EASD (now owned by General Electric), Electro- Optical Systems (Pasadena, a division of Xerox Corporation). That goes back 40 years. I didn't list Micro- Radionics since they got purchased by Systron- Donner which was later purchased by another corporation with the original MRI group moved from its Van Nuys, CA, building. Same with Birtcher Corporation bailing out of a competitive electronics market and into building management. I left the RCA/GE Retirement Plan in favor of a lump sum dispersal a couple years ago, worked out well for me financially; still getting rebates from our joint tax returns. Mentioning the part-time job as Associate Editor (as well as frequent contributor to Ham Radio Magazine seems to be a sore point with you. Too bad, but you can still get ALL the articles they published over their 22-year life from CQ or ARRL for $150 the set of three CDs (shipping extra if ordered by mail). Since you don't do any computer hobby activities, you wouldn't be interested in my articles in BYTE, Micro, or CALL-A.P.P.L.E publications; ELECTRONICS magazine, a bi-weekly published by McGraw-Hill changed into four separate marketing type periodicals. The old Hewlett-Packard (calculator) Software Library is long gone so you can't check there...although at least one program submittal was in the Top 10 requested programs for months. Now full time newsgroup insulting. Tsk, tsk. You mean like calling others "PUTZ" or "LIAR" or "DECEITFUL?" I don't think I've done that. Seems to me that little STEVIE does that on a regular basis! Sunnuvagun! (as Hans likes to say...) Poor Stevie, you HAD to comment on "alledged." Tsk. |
From: Paul W. Schleck on Mon,Apr 18 2005 12:03 pm
In . com writes: wrote: From: on Apr 12, 8:00 pm wrote: From: N2EY on Apr 12, 4:20 pm *snip!* Yet you make this BIG THING about morse code in a window display... Is it wrong to mention an interesting architectural feature? Morse code is NOW an "interesting architectural feature?" The windows are an interesting architectural feature. Way back in Usenet history(early 90's), there were posts signed by an author named "Serdar Argic" who repetitively posted about the Armenian murders of Turks in 1918: http://www.jaedworks.com/shoebox/zumabot.html (Reputable historians agree that the killing was the other way around.) Some interesting similarities to Len: 1. My ancestry is Scandinavian, not of the Middle East. 2. I have NO disputes on either Armenia or Turkey. 3. I have no "home page" on the Internet, nor am I a registered domain user on same. 4. Why do you insist there are "similarities" to anything in or near the Middle East? I have NEVER used a screen name of "Serdar Argic." - Serdar responded to each and every mention of "Turkey" or "Armenia," no matter the context, with long harangues about his interpretation of history. - Len responds to each and every mention of "Morse Code," no matter the context, with long harangues about his interpretation of history. Explain my "interpretation." As one who was IN communications for a long time, IN the electronics industry for a long time, HAVE extensive backup literature on communications methods, I'm not "interpreting" anything. - Any attempt to engage Serdar in debate resulted in him insulting others with invectives like "Gum Brain," "Wieneramus," "your Criminal Armenian Grandparents" (even others who were, say, ethnic Japanese), and "A mouthpiece for the fascist x-Soviet Armenian Government." - Any attempt to engage Len in debate results in him insulting others with invectives like "Gunnery Nurse," "Katapult King," "Macho Morsemen," and "A believer in the Church of St. Hiram." AFTER I had been personally insulted a number of ways, i.e., called a "PUTZ," "LIAR," "deceitful," AND had members of my family (alive or dead), especially my wife, insulted in public...I decided to "return fire" in the same way. Civility in opposition to anything I wrote was not "discussion" but a series of personal insults and harrassment actions, both on and off the newsgroup. - While somewhat amusing at first, with posters able to easily rebut Serdar, even writing parodies mocking the overwrought style of the posts, the amusement turned to annoyance when the sheer volume of his posts overwhelmed any on-topic discussion. - While somewhat amusing at first, with posters able to easily rebut Len, even writing parodies mocking the overwrought style of the posts, the amusement turned to annoyance when the sheer volume of his posts overwhelmed any on-topic discussion. "Overwrought?" :-) Merely responses in kind. "Sheer volume of posts?" Have you examined the Google statistics for individual messagers or actually EXAMINED the CONTENT of the newsgroup postings? Apparently NOT. Or, the "authority" is rather biased. In the past, I've given what was thought to be some examples of communications modes and methods that I was a party to, knew about, or could double-check through disinterested third parties. What I got in response was the usual personal insults for NOT adhering to the "authority" on amateur radio as stated by the ARRL...or NOT adhering to the pet desires of individuals whose personal views were taken as "applying to ALL in amateur radio." [those did not, but that was irrelevant to such posters] - Serdar failed his Turing Test for human intelligence when it became clear that he could not distinguish between Turkey, the country, and Turkey, the meat. For example, his postings went up dramatically in the first two weeks preceding American Thanksgiving, strongly suggesting that the posts were written and posted by some kind of AI or "bot." - Len's sentience, and ability to pass the Turing Test, is left as an exercise for the reader. As a first test, Len is invited to guess my positions on Morse Code. WHAT "Turing Tests" apply in here? Are you implying (which is transparently obvious on reading) that I am some kind of "Artificial Intelligence?" Is everyone required to "pass a test" to perform as a robot and mechanically utter all the quaint "standards" of yesteryear? Are all robots in here "supposed" to obey - without question - what the ARRL commands? Alan Turing was considered a genius at cryptography and methods of attack (solutions to cryptographic problems). Alan Turing was also a homosexual and, when exposed, took his own life. That was long ago. Suddenly, for some odd reason, I am implied as "failing" a "Turing Test" by NOT ACCEPTING old, antiquated standards in an amateur radio hobby activity!?! So be it. I am NOT a robot. I am NOT artificial (all natural ingredients). If there is any "failing" of a "Turing Test," then I would judge the "authority of the newsgroup" to be deficient in handling a public dispute by a technique of mockery and attempts at humiliation. As one who has been IN computer-modem communication for 20 years - not counting sporadic viewing of the old ARPANET and original USENET before that - and as a former co-sysop of one BBS and a moderator on two other BBSs...I find this "technique" of handling certain individuals to be faulty in the extreme. You should give careful thought, using whatever intelligence is there, artificial or not, to closing access from public to private. Select ONLY those who conform to Group Think, who say nice-nice to all the self-defined gurus, and respect the ENTIRETY of U.S. amateur radio customs and traditions, wishing to keep OLD standards forever. CLOSE this place off. Do NOT let any "riff-raff" in. Demand "dedication" and "committment" to old standards, ideas, and (especially) the mythology. Demand "involvement" FIRST...by licensing, something by which "to show papers." Do NOT, under any circumstances, allow the First Amendment Rights of Americans to operate in here. Think of that as the "Orwell Test." It doesn't have the mythological mystique of "Turing Test" but it is nonetheless as artificial. I refuse to meet any "Orwell Test." Have a nice day, Mr. Asimov... |
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