K=D8HB wrote:
"K4YZ" wrote

You forgot something..."Retired".

What did I forget? My account was as complete as needed.

And what does "Retired" have to do with it?

Details, Master Chief. You've thumped me over the head with
otherwise trivial "details" on other posts before...Are you not subject
to the same expectation?

73

Steve, K4YZ

wrote:
wrote:
From: on Thurs,Apr 14 2005 3:42 am

Be NICE to MARS folks,
Jimmie, maybe they'll GIVE you an AN/FRC-93 for
nothing; it's a Collins KWM2 Commercial transceiver
with a military nameplate.

Don't want one. And it's a KWM-2A, with the extra crystal positions.

It certainly is the KWM-2A.

Nearly a year ago, Len told us:

"The exception was the procurement
of the AN/FRC-93 HF transceiver, the commercial version (full
crystal bank) of the Collins KWM2. [I have the TM on it and can tell
where to get it for free PDF download...even for Canadians... :-) ] "

The commercial version of the Collins KWM-2A is the Collins KWM-2A.
I have a government surplus unit. It has no military nameplate
identifying it as an AN/FRC-93. The units I used in Vietnam had no
military nameplates identifying them as AN/FRC-93 units. The manuals
we
had on hand were Collins KWM-2A manuals.

Well there ya go! :-)

Everybody ought to run right over to LOGSA (that
stands for LOGistical Supply Agency) and tell them...

THE AN/FRC-93 DOESN'T EXIST!

Gosh yes...and TM 11-5820-554-12 doesn't exist, either!

Guess that LOGSA ought to destroy that particular CD
of TMs because Davie's (in-country?) KWM2 didn't have
an "official" nameplate, just the Collins thing. :-)

Oh, and there are about a half dozen versions of this
non-existant transceiver plus several separate TMs
(that's TM for Technical Manual for you civilians) for
ancilliary Collins units to work with it.

Would you like the NSN (National Stock Number) for
this non-existant-nomenclature radio set? :-)
[before you burn all those CDs in your outrage, or
whatever]

Oh, and the manual produced by Collins Radio was
reproduced for most of this TM. That's rather
common for COTS (Commercial Off-The Shelf) electronic
equipment (and other things) and has been done for
many, many years.

Oh, yeah, and TMs are now also distributed on CDs to
all branches of the military. Saves space and paper
plus the weight on shipping the printed versions.
All the branches have computers now, even stuff in
the field. Those computers have "AN" numbers and
"NSNs" also but I don't DARE write them in here due
to the hostile environment presented by die-hard
PCTAs. Those can't exist if Davie says they don't
exist! :-)

Temper fry...

wrote:
wrote:
wrote:
From: on Thurs,Apr 14 2005 3:42 am

Be NICE to MARS folks,
Jimmie, maybe they'll GIVE you an AN/FRC-93 for
nothing; it's a Collins KWM2 Commercial transceiver
with a military nameplate.

Don't want one. And it's a KWM-2A, with the extra crystal
positions.

It certainly is the KWM-2A.

Nearly a year ago, Len told us:

"The exception was the procurement
of the AN/FRC-93 HF transceiver, the commercial version (full
crystal bank) of the Collins KWM2. [I have the TM on it and can
tell
where to get it for free PDF download...even for Canadians... :-) ]
"

The commercial version of the Collins KWM-2A is the Collins KWM-2A.
I have a government surplus unit. It has no military nameplate
identifying it as an AN/FRC-93. The units I used in Vietnam had no
military nameplates identifying them as AN/FRC-93 units. The
manuals
we
had on hand were Collins KWM-2A manuals.

Well there ya go!

Everybody ought to run right over to LOGSA (that
stands for LOGistical Supply Agency) and tell them...

THE AN/FRC-93 DOESN'T EXIST!

I'd be interested in learning where in Dave's post he said it
didn't exist.

I only saw where he said the KWM-2A didn't have a name plate with
that nomenclature on it.

I used KWM-2A's at NNN0MOQ, MOF and at "NZJ". No AN/FRC-93 plates
on them either.

Just stock KWM-2A's with Stock Collins operator and repair
manuals. (We did our own repairs at MOF.) (plus cryastals)

Oh, yeah, and TMs are now also distributed on CDs to
all branches of the military. Saves space and paper
plus the weight on shipping the printed versions.
All the branches have computers now, even stuff in
the field. Those computers have "AN" numbers and
"NSNs" also but I don't DARE write them in here due
to the hostile environment presented by die-hard
PCTAs. Those can't exist if Davie says they don't
exist!

He never said "they don't exist".

I haven't seen him say "they didn't exist".

He just said they didn't have a nameplate with that nomenclature.

Of course YOU wouldn't know since YOU weren't there to see it for
yourself. Again, Lennie making accusations without practical
experience to back it up. You DIDN'T SERVE when/where he did.

Nor where I did, for than matter.

Temper fry...

Putz.

Steve, K4YZ

K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
wrote:
bb wrote:
wrote:

What does it matter whether I served in any military or
not?

Kind of makes it hard to be a Veteran if you didn't serve.

But then comes you. A licensee with no antenna. In your case
one
has
to
conclude that becoming a Veteran was easier than putting up an
antenna.

Brian P Burke and Leonard H Anderson both epitomize all of
the
things that give other veterans a black eye. I would not want to
be
in
a social setting where their status as veterans was known and
then
announce that I was a vet too. That's one "guilty by
association"
that
I will gladly avoid.

Steve, K4YZ

There is no guilt in military service, unless you lie about it.
Like
saying that you have "real military experience" when you don't, or
saying that you have "seven hostile actions" when you have none.

Lennie's use of the sacrifice of life for his own glorification
is
one of the most "intolerable sins" amongst veterans.

Period.

Every veteran has put themselves in the queu for sacrifice. So Jim
asks what difference serving in the military makes? That is the
answer. Apparently he had something more important to do.

Best of Luck.

None needed, but thanks.

Steve, K4YZ

Best of Luck.

K4YZ wrote:
wrote:
From: "K4YZ" on Thurs,Apr 14 2005 2:27 am

wrote:
bb wrote:
wrote:

What does it matter whether I served in any military or not?

Kind of makes it hard to be a Veteran if you didn't serve.

But then comes you. A licensee with no antenna. In your case one
has
to
conclude that becoming a Veteran was easier than putting up an
antenna.

Brian P Burke and Leonard H Anderson both epitomize all of the
things that give other veterans a black eye. I would not want to
be
in
a social setting where their status as veterans was known and then
announce that I was a vet too. That's one "guilty by association"
that
I will gladly avoid.

Tsk, tsk. You had BETTER avoid it! Once you step away
from the Legion Hall bar YOU are liable to not make it out
of the parking lot!

I don't drink, Lennie.

Was that the 12th step? Probably has something to do with your medical
discharge.

Sweetums, I have an HONORABLE discharges from military
service.

Yes, you do. But it's your self-serving use of the deaths of
others for your own glorification that dishonored whatever you DID do
good, Lennie.

Jim asked what difference it makes if he served or not? Soldiers die.

Kellie ain't got a one! Kellie couldn't make it
in or got away with staying out (take a pick, prick).

You've been asked this before, I am asking again: WHAT LAW DID
BRIAN KELLY VIOLATE BY NOT SERVING IN THE ARMED FORCES...?!?!

Kellie lied about it. He claimed to have "real military service."

(Caps not for yelling, but to make it easier for the old man to
read...he has obviouly had a hard with it!)

What have YOU got? A medical discharge.

Nope. Same Honorable you've got, Lennie.

You claim, and then
try to bluff everyone into believing "it was changed to an
'honorable' discharge." Do WE have "proof" of that? NO!

It was never "changed" to an Honorable, Lennie. It was
Honorable
all along. I was discharged.

Was Kelly discharged? Jim?

Tsk. I can digitize my 1960 HONORABLE discharge...(SNIP)

Sure you can. Two problems, though. One, you've already done
the
"I am going to send you an e-mail" trick wherein you DIDN'T send what
you promised you were going to do.

Why do you use the word "promised?" Is it a cheap Robeson trick to
make greater your injury? Hi!

Trust blown.

Secondly, as I have said over an over, I don't doubt that you
have
an "Honorable" discharge. But what I HAVE said over and over it's
HOW
YOU DISGRACED YOUR SERVICE WITH YOUR SELFISH USE OF OTHER'S
SACRIFICES
THAT MAKE YOU THE SCUMBAG YOU ARE!

Didn't people who didn't serve make selfish use of other's sacrifices?

Me, I got NO problems associating with REAL military
veterans. Done it much...and NOT at some Legion Hall bar.
Done it for years. I'm proud of what I did and there are
NO blemishes on my military record. I'm sure Brian has a
good record, too. "It ain't braggin if ya did it."
I did it.

You also "did it" when you tried to embellish YOUR "record"
with
the deaths of Soldiers who died in combat before you were even
inducted.

What? No marines ever died in combat prior to your service? You
enlisted because it was safe and you knew you'd get back in one piece
(didn't happen, did it?)

Jim asks what difference serving or not serving in the military makes?
I'd like to see you explain it to him.

Get some mental help, Psychotic Pstevie. You need it.

Not even remotely as much as you, old man.

Let the professionals make that determination.



ex-RA16408336, U.S. Army 1952-1960, HONORABLE discharge

Pathologiocal liar and teller of Tall Tales. User Of Other's
Sacrifices.

Putz.

Steve, K4yz

What about your claim of seven hostile actions?

"K4YZ" wrote

Details, Master Chief. You've thumped me over the head with
otherwise trivial "details" on other posts before.

I thought my account was sufficiently detailed to the question at hand. If you
want more non-related detail, ask Len Anderson to go cut and paste some
out-of-context triva from somewhere. Then you two can bicker over it. I'm outa
here.

Hans, K0HB
Master Chief Radioman, USN

bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:

I don't drink, Lennie.

Was that the 12th step? Probably has something to do with your
medical
discharge.

Nope. Has to do with getting more out of life with a clear head
than without it.

You should try it.

Sweetums, I have an HONORABLE discharges from military
service.

Yes, you do. But it's your self-serving use of the deaths of
others for your own glorification that dishonored whatever you DID
do
good, Lennie.

Jim asked what difference it makes if he served or not? Soldiers
die.

So do construction workers who build bases, or mechanics that
manufacture tanks.

The fact of the matter is that except in the most aggrevious
warfare, more Americans die on the highways at home than do Servicemen.

You've been asked this before, I am asking again: WHAT LAW
DID
BRIAN KELLY VIOLATE BY NOT SERVING IN THE ARMED FORCES...?!?!

Kellie lied about it. He claimed to have "real military service."

You'll have to show me that one, Brain.

I've seen where he's said he worked WITH the Armed Forces, but
never "I was in..."

It was never "changed" to an Honorable, Lennie. It was
Honorable
all along. I was discharged.

Was Kelly discharged? Jim?

I ams till trying to figure out your point here.

Tsk. I can digitize my 1960 HONORABLE discharge...(SNIP)

Sure you can. Two problems, though. One, you've already done
the
"I am going to send you an e-mail" trick wherein you DIDN'T send
what
you promised you were going to do.

Why do you use the word "promised?" Is it a cheap Robeson trick to
make greater your injury?

Nope.

Because he lied. An Anderson trick, but not an uncommon one.

Trust blown.

Secondly, as I have said over an over, I don't doubt that you
have
an "Honorable" discharge. But what I HAVE said over and over it's
HOW
YOU DISGRACED YOUR SERVICE WITH YOUR SELFISH USE OF OTHER'S
SACRIFICES
THAT MAKE YOU THE SCUMBAG YOU ARE!

Didn't people who didn't serve make selfish use of other's
sacrifices?

Oh come on, Burke...Building upon the sacrifices others made is
one tthing...That's how America got to BE America.

Your "mentor" intentionally tried to get away with making it
appear as though HE had "served" with the Soliders who were KIA.

THAT is DISGUSTING.

You also "did it" when you tried to embellish YOUR "record"
with
the deaths of Soldiers who died in combat before you were even
inducted.

What? No marines ever died in combat prior to your service? You
enlisted because it was safe and you knew you'd get back in one piece
(didn't happen, did it?)

I never tried to convince anyone that I was somehow involved
in a war that happened 3 years before I was enlisted.

Jim asks what difference serving or not serving in the military
makes?
I'd like to see you explain it to him.

It DOESN'T matter...It's NOT the law, and not every person was
meant to be a Soldier or Marine.

Get some mental help, Psychotic Pstevie. You need it.

Not even remotely as much as you, old man.

Let the professionals make that determination.

I am one of the professionals, Brian. Licensed.



ex-RA16408336, U.S. Army 1952-1960, HONORABLE discharge

Pathologiocal liar and teller of Tall Tales. User Of Other's
Sacrifices.

Putz.

Steve, K4yz

What about your claim of seven hostile actions?

Tried to trust YOU once upon a time, Brain, but you blew YOUR
"trust" opportunity too. Oh well.

Steve, K4YZ

K=D8HB wrote:
"K4YZ" wrote

Details, Master Chief. You've thumped me over the head with
otherwise trivial "details" on other posts before.

I thought my account was sufficiently detailed to the question at
hand.

Guess not sufficiently enough.

If you
want more non-related detail, ask Len Anderson to go cut and paste
some
out-of-context triva from somewhere. Then you two can bicker over
it.

Why? He wouldn't get it right anyway.

I'm outa here.

Promises, promises.

Hans, K0HB
Master Chief Radioman, USN

Retired.

Steve, K4YZ

wrote in message
oups.com...


The only encryption used by the USA
(and Canada as well as the UK) was the "Sigaba" as shown
on the USS Pampanito floating museum and at the NSA
on-line Museum.

Wrong, kind elderly Gentleman. It wasn't the "only encryption used by the USA".

SIGABA (KL-29/BACCUS) was only ONE of SEVERAL encryption systems used by the USA
during WWII. In fact, it wasn't even the most commonly used one (KL7/ADONIS
holds that honor).


The "Sigaba" system (TTY), upgraded to post-WW2 standards
was severely compromised by the capture of the USS Pueblo
off the North Korean coast in 1968.

Wrong again, SIGANDERSON. SIGABA (and it's "upgrades") were retired from
service in 1959, almost a decade before the Lloyd Bucher shamefully struck his
colors to the Koreans..

73, de Hans, K0HB
Master Chief Radioman, US Navy