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"KØHB" wrote in message ink.net... wrote in message oups.com... The only encryption used by the USA (and Canada as well as the UK) was the "Sigaba" as shown on the USS Pampanito floating museum and at the NSA on-line Museum. Wrong, kind elderly Gentleman. It wasn't the "only encryption used by the USA". SIGABA (KL-29/BACCUS) was only ONE of SEVERAL encryption systems used by the USA during WWII. In fact, it wasn't even the most commonly used one (KL7/ADONIS holds that honor). The "Sigaba" system (TTY), upgraded to post-WW2 standards was severely compromised by the capture of the USS Pueblo off the North Korean coast in 1968. Wrong again, SIGANDERSON. SIGABA (and it's "upgrades") were retired from service in 1959, almost a decade before the Lloyd Bucher shamefully struck his colors to the Koreans.. 73, de Hans, K0HB Master Chief Radioman, US Navy Hans is typical of radiomen. The more he runs his mouth, the more his gross ignorance shows. His earlier statement about Morse no longer being widely taught or used in the U.S. armed forces is but one case in point. Now he attacks Lloyd Bucher! Is there any doubt the Navy was correct in disbanding the Radioman rating? Good riddance! How's the story telling going down at the Legion Hall Hans? 73, Lloyd |
K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: I don't drink, Lennie. Was that the 12th step? Probably has something to do with your medical discharge. Nope. Has to do with getting more out of life with a clear head than without it. You should try the "clear head" stuff. You should try it. You should. Sweetums, I have an HONORABLE discharges from military service. Yes, you do. But it's your self-serving use of the deaths of others for your own glorification that dishonored whatever you DID do good, Lennie. Jim asked what difference it makes if he served or not? Soldiers die. So do construction workers who build bases, or mechanics that manufacture tanks. The fact of the matter is that except in the most aggrevious warfare, more Americans die on the highways at home than do Servicemen. And heroes all of them, defending the country. """Sorry Hans, a run-over Jay-Walker IS a Veteran!!!""" Hi! You've been asked this before, I am asking again: WHAT LAW DID BRIAN KELLY VIOLATE BY NOT SERVING IN THE ARMED FORCES...?!?! Kellie lied about it. He claimed to have "real military service." You'll have to show me that one, Brain. I've seen where he's said he worked WITH the Armed Forces, but never "I was in..." It was in a brag-tape challenge to one of the rra.misc cretins. You guys tend to attract the wrong element to rrap. It was never "changed" to an Honorable, Lennie. It was Honorable all along. I was discharged. Was Kelly discharged? Jim? I ams till trying to figure out your point here. "Just answer the man's question." Tsk. I can digitize my 1960 HONORABLE discharge...(SNIP) Sure you can. Two problems, though. One, you've already done the "I am going to send you an e-mail" trick wherein you DIDN'T send what you promised you were going to do. Why do you use the word "promised?" Is it a cheap Robeson trick to make greater your injury? Nope. Because he lied. An Anderson trick, but not an uncommon one. I've yet to see Len say, "Steve, I promise..." Ever. So why do you say that he promised? My OPINION is that he did not promise, and you lied about it. Why do I think that? Because it fits you to a T. Trust blown. Secondly, as I have said over an over, I don't doubt that you have an "Honorable" discharge. But what I HAVE said over and over it's HOW YOU DISGRACED YOUR SERVICE WITH YOUR SELFISH USE OF OTHER'S SACRIFICES THAT MAKE YOU THE SCUMBAG YOU ARE! Didn't people who didn't serve make selfish use of other's sacrifices? Oh come on, Burke...Building upon the sacrifices others made is one tthing...That's how America got to BE America. They had ample opportunity to serve. Jim says he "served in other ways." Kelly says he has "real military experience." Your "mentor" intentionally tried to get away with making it appear as though HE had "served" with the Soliders who were KIA. THAT is DISGUSTING. Perhaps you got it wrong. Perhaps he served with soldiers that SURVIVED IN ACTION. I know I did. You also "did it" when you tried to embellish YOUR "record" with the deaths of Soldiers who died in combat before you were even inducted. What? No marines ever died in combat prior to your service? You enlisted because it was safe and you knew you'd get back in one piece (didn't happen, did it?) I never tried to convince anyone that I was somehow involved in a war that happened 3 years before I was enlisted. You tried to convince us that you were involved in 7 hostile actions that never occurred. Jim asks what difference serving or not serving in the military makes? I'd like to see you explain it to him. It DOESN'T matter...It's NOT the law, and not every person was meant to be a Soldier or Marine. Now you are telling me that your service didn't matter. Hans' service didn't matter. Len's service didn't matter. Roll's service didn't matter. Morgan's service didn't matter. Get some mental help, Psychotic Pstevie. You need it. Not even remotely as much as you, old man. Let the professionals make that determination. I am one of the professionals, Brian. Licensed. Wrong. ex-RA16408336, U.S. Army 1952-1960, HONORABLE discharge Pathologiocal liar and teller of Tall Tales. User Of Other's Sacrifices. Putz. Steve, K4yz What about your claim of seven hostile actions? Tried to trust YOU once upon a time, Brain, but you blew YOUR "trust" opportunity too. Oh well. Yeh, yeh. You talked on a radio. Is that what you're calling a hostile action? Did the radio topple off the field desk and dent your spit-shined boot? That's right, Gunny. You can't trust anyone. That's one sign of a mentally ill person (paranoia). |
From: "bb" on Sat,Apr 16 2005 6:22 am
K4YZ wrote: wrote: From: "K4YZ" on Thurs,Apr 14 2005 2:27 am Brian P Burke and Leonard H Anderson both epitomize all of the things that give other veterans a black eye. I would not want to be in a social setting where their status as veterans was known and then announce that I was a vet too. That's one "guilty by association" that I will gladly avoid. Tsk, tsk. You had BETTER avoid it! Once you step away from the Legion Hall bar YOU are liable to not make it out of the parking lot! I don't drink, Lennie. Was that the 12th step? Probably has something to do with your medical discharge. Er, Brian, Psychotic Pstevie NOW says his discharge was "honorable all along!" :-) Gosh, I wonder if some medical tech ever did a culture on what was in that "discharge?" [might be a medical breakthrough! :-) ] Pstevie doesn't drink? Gosh and golly, from the looks of things in here, I think he strains out the pickles (KOSHER of course) from those jars and enjoys the dill juice. Keeps his "Gunnery Sgt command voice" in the proper sour tone, the lips pursed in proper Dill Sergeant disapproval. :-) Sweetums, I have an HONORABLE discharges from military service. Yes, you do. But it's your self-serving use of the deaths of others for your own glorification that dishonored whatever you DID do good, Lennie. Jim asked what difference it makes if he served or not? Soldiers die. Pstevie MUST get his "insult quotient" of the day in. He MUST "avenge" his "outrage" (at being caught LYING to others and not having his brags believed). The original thread subject is of no consequence to Pstevie. He MUST take REVENGE!!! :-) Quite so...soldiers, sailors, airmen may ALL die in the performance of their military duty. MAY. All of us who wore the uniform know that, in greater or lesser degree depending on the individual. We do honor those who gave their lives...or who had their lives taken from them in the course of duty. "Civilians" (those who never served in the military) don't have a rapport with that. They only have the emotional, second-hand viewing of movies, TV, and published accounts, at best a vicarious "experience" based only on their emotional take on it. Because of that emotion-only input, they cannot comprehend being IN any such situation. Because their input is only second-hand and emotional, they will confuse that with whatever other emotions they have. A case in point is Jimmie's apparent glorification of morse code use on radio in WW2 with warfare itself. All grand and glorious but the warfare happening well before his lifetime. He can't really comprehend what it means to be IN a true warfare situation OR in a military situation of any kind. He has no baseline from which to judge. At best, all he can do is an intellectual exercise of words, of imagination, so that he can give the appearance of "knowing" what it is like. Now we've got Psychotic Pstevie who claims "insult" that others can actually honor those who died in the performance of their military duties...especially those of the same military unit. Jimmie has NO sense of "unit cohesiveness" that grows in every military unit, the bond of all who serve in a unit. Such a bond is not easily explainable in words but it can be felt deep inside. It is visceral, deep in the psyche. It can't be fully realized until one has done it. Psychotic Pstevie the Psonofabitch perverses such honoring of a unit's dead in order to produce his interminable insult-throwing. He is a special case, perhaps one who should be IN a case, locked away. When I've stood Retreat at sundown with the special order of honoring those 19 of the 71st Battalion who died on 1 July 1950, I was not thinking ahead to many years later of "bragging" about personal exploits. Those 19 were ALL "rear area" communications Signalmen; the 71st served the Far East Command Headquarters directly and General Mac had ordered that group to Korea to reinforce the partly overrun communications system at the start of the Korean War. Their transport crashed on landing, killing not only them but also the four in the aircrew. Stuff happens and none of them expected that. Army Central Command honored two of the 19 by naming the Battalion's billet as Hardy Barracks, later the new transmitter site as Camp Tomlinson. That is the best that the military can do besides the "insurance" money and consoling of their families. The media had not yet come up with "body counts" of the later Vietnam War, that sorry excuse to make warfare sound like some pro football game...which it definitely is not. Jimmie and Pstevie have made much of "rear area" military service, as if that is a disreputable thing. About six out of seven military personnel ARE "rear area" and not DIRECTLY involved in actual "battle." Yet, with the mobility of modern warfare ANY ONE of those six may be thrust into some kind of "battle" or, in the case of the 19 from the 71st Signal Battalion, dying for no cause of theirs or the enemy. "Rear area" service is necessary to prosecute the mass logistics of warfare...to coordinate supplies arriving to replenish consumables, to get reinforcements or replacements...even to perform ground service on aircraft such as helicopters. None of us "rear area" personnel are expected to be "in the thick of battle" (as Jimmie may think, never having served and getting input only from mass media). We did our tasks as assigned, following the orders passed down along chain of command. We did our DUTY and took pride in what we did, even if we didn't get our names in magazines or amass "scores" to show "how good/superious" we were. Most of us survived to continue life outside of the military. A few of us "lucked out" in doing our duty, such as my getting assigned to a big communications station. I had NO hand in getting such, had to accept what happened. Some, like myself, availed themselves of the opportunity to learn, to grow in knowledge of communications arts, technology. You've been asked this before, I am asking again: WHAT LAW DID BRIAN KELLY VIOLATE BY NOT SERVING IN THE ARMED FORCES...?!?! Kellie lied about it. He claimed to have "real military service." Kellie once said he had "26 patents." Actually, he had only ONE, the other 25 being grants in other countries for the SAME patent. Same as I did although my single patent may have had 28 foreign grants; exact number varied depending on who was contacted at RCA Corporation Legal. It was never "changed" to an Honorable, Lennie. It was Honorable all along. I was discharged. Was Kelly discharged? Jim? They "served in other ways." However, Pstevie contradicted himself. In here, Pstevie said he had a Medical discharge "from an accident." Discharges for enlisted personnel are either Honorable, Dishonorable, or Medical. Tsk. I can digitize my 1960 HONORABLE discharge...(SNIP) Sure you can. Two problems, though. One, you've already done the "I am going to send you an e-mail" trick wherein you DIDN'T send what you promised you were going to do. Poor Psycho Pstevie, still ANGRY over another accident. He neglected (deliberately) to say that he was sent the correct file later, not once but twice. Pstevie was SO angry and upset that he REFUSED to look at the correct file. [his RAGE is legendary...] Why do you use the word "promised?" Is it a cheap Robeson trick to make greater your injury? Hi! Pstevie thinks ALL exist to SERVE HIM! :-) Pstevie is a warlord-wannabe (or some kind of self- professed nobility person) who demands OBEDIANCE from those he threatens. Secondly, as I have said over an over, I don't doubt that you have an "Honorable" discharge. But what I HAVE said over and over it's HOW YOU DISGRACED YOUR SERVICE WITH YOUR SELFISH USE OF OTHER'S SACRIFICES THAT MAKE YOU THE SCUMBAG YOU ARE! Didn't people who didn't serve make selfish use of other's sacrifices? Psycho Pstevie the Psonofabitch would think that my periodic placement of flags on veteran's graves is an INSULT!!! He may think that placing my hand over my heart (in civilian salute) to the flag of the USA is an INSULT!!! Pstevie makes Memorial Day less memorable... You also "did it" when you tried to embellish YOUR "record" with the deaths of Soldiers who died in combat before you were even inducted. What? No marines ever died in combat prior to your service? You enlisted because it was safe and you knew you'd get back in one piece (didn't happen, did it?) The USMC uniform was pretty...two colors of blue, white hat, flashy red stripe on the outside of each trouser, shiny chromed SWORD! Wowee! Pstevie says I was "inducted." ERROR. I volunteered. I was sworn into service. There's a difference. In the 50s the Army had its own "ASN" or Army Serial Number. Mine was RA 16 408 336. The "RA" prefix stood for "Regular Army" and denoted volunteer enlistment. Draftees (those inducted) had "US" prefixes, standing for "Army of the United States." Activated National Guard had "NG" prefixes. Commissioned officer ASN prefixes were simply "O." Jim asks what difference serving or not serving in the military makes? I'd like to see you explain it to him. I wonder if Pstevie will order him to "GET DOWN AND GIVE ME TWENTY!!!" :-) Get some mental help, Psychotic Pstevie. You need it. Not even remotely as much as you, old man. Let the professionals make that determination. Pstevie gonna say "HE has the 'professional qualifications!'" :-) Pstevie still hasn't "picked up the phone to tell 'authorities' to come pick me up for mental stuff!" He said he "could do that" (apparently by the powers that be in Pstevieland). Pathologiocal liar and teller of Tall Tales. User Of Other's Sacrifices. Putz. Steve, K4yz What about your claim of seven hostile actions? Pstevie gave his life for his country seven times? He must have cat DNA...but only two lives left! Psychotic Pstevie should call the VA and ask them who had ASN RA16408336. Tsk. Not a "tall tale." Getting tired of the Psychotic One going on his HATE binges. I thought U.S. ham radio was all about good fellowship and friendly helping of those who don't know about radio? Not in Pstevie's back yard. :-) |
bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: The fact of the matter is that except in the most aggrevious warfare, more Americans die on the highways at home than do Servicemen. And heroes all of them, defending the country. """Sorry Hans, a run-over Jay-Walker IS a Veteran!!!""" Hi! The point beig, Brain, that civilians die in the course of both "peacetime" and states of war too. Do a bit of history research on "Maritime Marine", "Civil Air Patrol" and "Office of Civilian Defense" during WW2. CAP "civilians" still lose their lives "in the line of duty", and they weren't even getting paid for it. Steve, K4YZ |
wrote: From: "bb" on Sat,Apr 16 2005 6:22 am Now we've got Psychotic Pstevie who claims "insult" that others can actually honor those who died in the performance of their military duties... Your "honoring" was a blatant attempt to put YOU up front. That's the disgusting part. Psychotic Pstevie the Psonofabitch... Ahhhhhhhhhh, Lennie, even MORE name calling! Why am I not surprised? Rest of your ususal pontification and self-righteous indignation snipped for bandwidth conservation. You're still a lair, Lennie. You're still not an Amateur Radio licensee, and will never have a fraction of the experiences in Amateur Radio that any other person in this NG has. Sucks to be you! Steve, K4YZ |
wrote: From: on Sat,Apr 16 2005 8:44 am Amateur radio isn't the US military. MARS is military. "Sorry, Hans, MARS IS amateur radio!" No Amateur Radio = No MARS. The "A" in MARS stands for "Affiliate", as in "Affiliated" with Amateur Radio. Amateur radio is NOT Private Land Mobile Radio Service. But Amateur Radio is used as an emergency adjunct to it, so sayeth the FCC. (You know, Lennie...the FEDERAL Communications Commission...) Amateur radio is NOT Mass Media Radio Service. But under certain circumstances may be used to assist in that pursuit...so sayeth the FCC. Amateur radio is NOT Maritime Radio Service. But Amateur Radio is routinely carried aboard both commercial and pleasure vessles of many types...Including warships of the United States Navy...So sayeth the FCC AND the Deaprtment of Defense. Amateur radio is NOT Aviation Radio Service. But with the permission of the pilot-in-command, Amateur Radio activities may be conducted from both private and commercial aircarft...So sayeth the FCC AND the FAA. Amateur radio is NOT Personal Radio Service. But Amateur Radio may be rotinely used for many of the same purposes of the Personal Radio Service...So sayeth the FCC... So...so far we have at least three federal agencies telling us that Amateur Radio CAN be used under all of the flags above that Lennie said Amateur Radio "wasn't". Sheeeesh. Leonard H. Anderson is a putz. A loser again...\ Steve, K4YZ |
From: "K=D8=88B" on Sat,Apr 16 2005 3:47 pm
wrote in message roups.com... The only encryption used by the USA (and Canada as well as the UK) was the "Sigaba" as shown on the USS Pampanito floating museum and at the NSA on-line Museum. Wrong, kind elderly Gentleman. It wasn't the "only encryption used by the USA". SIGABA (KL-29/BACCUS) was only ONE of SEVERAL encryption systems used by the USA during WWII. In fact, it wasn't even the most commonly used one (KL7/ADONIS holds that honor). Of course it's "wrong," you are always "right." :-) Never had a crypto clearance in the service, certainly not in WW2. You have one then? [of course you did...] Have to "dot the i and cross the t" to the EXACT number or else be sentenced to a capital-crime felony in here? :-) All I know is the basic principle of the system, obtained in a couple of interesting books by CIVILIANS! :-) Also an article by the Chief Cryptographer of the U.S. Army...a civilian! :-) The "Sigaba" system (TTY), upgraded to post-WW2 standards was severely compromised by the capture of the USS Pueblo off the North Korean coast in 1968. Wrong again, SIGANDERSON. SIGABA (and it's "upgrades") were retired from service in 1959, almost a decade before the Lloyd Bucher shamefully struck his colors to the Koreans.. No problem, Super Chief. :-) Until around 1964 I didn't KNOW the EXACTNESS of the systems or even how it was done. The crypto stuff would roll in looking for all the world as way-off-bias-distortion-prone TTY on any standard TTY...on what I saw in the Army. I'm sure you think that the Army sent everything "in clear" using morse code (to confuse the 'enemy') and all that. That's another subject of course and I'm not allowed to talk of that; I need an AMATEUR RADIO license in order to talk about military/all- Navy encryption. :-) The system used then was a "rotor" type (familiar name). Essentially a set of rotary switches turning at different rates (according to key settings, crypto key, not key on a manual keyboard operation). Those rotary switches ("rotors") scrambled the normal TTY in synchronism with the TTY motor and would also UN-scramble received TTY. Neat thing about that, even with the "wrong" name and all the EXACT number and letter designators, was that NOBODY COMPROMISED IT! Sunnuvagun! Lots and lots of cryptologists and historians have tried to see if anyone compromised it on any intercepts during WW2 and somewhat afterwards (I won't say the EXACT year because you want to snarl and argue about it if I do) but haven't come up with anything yet. Of course you are on this wonderful, traditional, "do or die," "death before dishonor" bull**** attitude in regards to Commander Bucher. Riiiiight...the USN thoughtfully "armed" the USS Pueble with a single machine gun and a few personal arms of some of the personnel. NOT ENOUGH destruct flares on board to destroy equipment. Pueblo was surrounded in shallow water...not a big problem to have NORTH Korean divers raise enough equipment to sell to the USSR. But... "being there" (in your heart) you would want everyone to FIGHT TO THE LAST MAN! Wow, lot of "good" that was goint to do. By the way, since you are so picky-picky about EXACT names and things, the USS Pueblo was captured by NORTH Koreans. Korea isn't unifed yet, hasn't been since the USSR jumped in on the tailboard of WW2 and "occupied" the North and sticking in their communist government ideas there. As a separate Korean nation, that is. The crew of the USS Pueblo (officially a USN ship, an "oceanographic research vessel" according to our government) pretty much survived captivity. [do you need an EXACT body count?] Bucher survived. But, Bucher died not too long ago. No problem for you, huh? The USN didn't haul him up for any courts martial. He was allowed to retire. [you were allowed to retire, right?] CWO Walker, USN, STOLE whole technical manuals (by photographic copying) and Key Lists while SERVING in the USN. Sold the material to the USSR. Walker was eventually caught, tried, and sentenced to life in a federal pen. [do you need the EXACT details on that, too, and if no one supplies them, are they "all wrong?"] Walker is STILL ALIVE! Sunnuvagun! You don't posit that as a "terrible thing," do you? You want to try and convict (in absentia) a USN commissioned officer stuck in an untenable position in his command...but you don't give a **** about ANOTHER USN officer, a Warrant, doing deliberate TREASON while SERVING! That's okay? 73, de Hans, K0HB Master Chief Radioman, US Navy Good grief, you didn't "cross the tee" in your manuevers properly. You should have pointed out that the USN closed down ELF transmitters in Clam Lake, WI, and Republic, MI, at the end of September 2004!!! No more 76 Hz at 1 MW. [too many in the U.S. north country want to "save the environment" and "preserve world peace" by withholding the use of *nuclear* (horrors!) missles] Riiiight...76 Hz is terribly harmful to the ecology they think! Tsk, tsk! You could have had a FINE time doing the pillory bit on me...but you NEGLECTED to do so! Missle submarines and attack submarines have to use alerts from VLF stations NAA, NLK, NPM, NML, NAU, NRK, NWC...frequencies from 19.8 to 40.8 KHz. But, I almost hesitate to list those since you will NO DOUBT want the EXACT details, the EXACT locations, and the EXACT mode, protocol, and all that...or ANY listing is TOTALLY WRONG!!! :-) Cool it, Master super-duper Chief (USN). I'm still a citizen of the U.S. of A. and served in MY country's (USA) military BEFORE you did. I know that doesn't count for much in this din of inequity but it's all I got. :-) By the way, for EXACTNESS, my surname was NEVER "SIGANDERSON." You made a "mistake" but I won't hold anything against you. Well, maybe a bayonet or such... :-) Temper fry... |
wrote in message oups.com... Walker is STILL ALIVE! Sunnuvagun! He shouldn't be. |
wrote: Cool it, Master super-duper Chief (USN). I'm still a citizen of the U.S. of A. and served in MY country's (USA) military BEFORE you did. I know that doesn't count for much in this din of inequity but it's all I got. Of course Lennie's reading the riot act to someone about experience and "seniority", yet is first and loudest to cry foul if Amateurs point out HIS lack of "experience and seniority". By the way, for EXACTNESS, my surname was NEVER "SIGANDERSON." You made a "mistake" but I won't hold anything against you. Well, maybe a bayonet or such... And Lennie, always quick to find SOME "threat" in anything, blatantly threatens Hans with a bayonet. Why am I not surprised? Temper fry... Steve, K4YZ |
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