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K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: wrote: What does it matter whether I served in any military or not? Kind of makes it hard to be a Veteran if you didn't serve. Where has Jim EVER claimed ANY aspect of military or federal service, Brian? Quiterecently Jim has left it open whether he's served or not. Now answer the man's question. Jim did not direct his question to me. Here's a hint: The Canadian military forces used Morse Code in WW2. Oh, now I see the connections. Because you saw photos of Ham soldiers in QST, and you're a ham, you "served" by extension. The coat-tail connection. You really are in a max-putz mode today, aren't you? Sayonara-head to you, too. WHERE did Jim EVER claim to be a Veteran? WHERE did he EVER say he "served" in the Armed Forces? He said that he served in unmentionable ways. I could go on about the political and economic effects, but since this is a radio newsgroup I thought I'd stick to electronic and radio subjects. And Canadian war museum topics. That happened to have a connection to radio communications. Just "radio communications?" I thought this was the exclusive domain of AMATEUR radio communications? Other forms of radio communications knowledge and experiences have absolutely no bearing on this group. You see, Brian, THAT is why you catch the flak taht yopu do for your behaviour. Spell much? Just like Lennie, you like to stop where it serves you to do so and ignore facts. You'se guys have repeatedly said that this is about AMATEUR radio. Not other radios and other radio services. If I did talk about any military service I had, you would be certain to make fun of it. It's just what you do, Len. So typical. You "served" in other ways. And Kelly has "real" military experience. Do YOU, Brain? You were only a weatherman in the USAF. We can make all sorts of issues if you want. Yup. I aimed high. You aimed low. Jim and Kelly missed the target altogether. It's only those who disagree with you about Morse Code testing that get your disrespect, abuse, name calling, and general jack(expletive deleted] behavior. Do you eat with that mouth? Sure he does. You kiss your wife with the same lips you have on Lennie's butt all the time...Does SHE complain? Interesting statement. Is that an opinion or is it an assertion of fact? Is there any reason to doubt that Steve, K4YZ, was involved if he says he was? Is there any reason to not apply Steve's rules of facts to Steve's claims? There are no "rules of facts". If a "fact" has no documentation, then it's a "lie." Things either "are" or they "are not". Like: No Documentation = Lies. Like "seven hostile actions" is a figment of your disturbed mind. Like your ARES claims (are not true). I proved it true. And your Somalia claims (are not true). Just because I won't send you a QSL card... Then there's your "unlicensed devices" claims. (are not true). What's not true? I see. His mistake somehow justifies *your* behavior? Mistake? He's had ample opportunity to correct that mistake. Instead he piles up the lies. Thee was no mistake. Thee is a mistake. YOU have yet to cite a single error or lie, Brain. You keep claiming one after another refuse to cite why ANY statement is a "lie". Many of your lies are so obviously lies that There you go again - calling names. "jack(expletive deleted] behavior" Godwin invoked. You lose. Why not use the person's name and callsign? Kim, W5TIT. Miccolis invoked. You lose. Rest of your double-standards snipped. If "double standards" were "snipped", you'd be extinct already. I would not exist to you, Steve, because you would cease to exist. How is it that Jim can say to use a person's name and call, yet he repeatedly snipped Kim's call in his replies to her??? Miccolis invoked. Miccolis loses. |
Michael Coslo wrote: bb wrote: wrote: The new Canadian War Museum opens May 7-8 http://www.warmuseum.ca/cwm/opening/celebrate_e.html Some of the windows spell out "Lest We Forget" in Morse Code. 73 de Jim, N2EY I thought that people went to Canada to avoid war, and here they dedicate a museum to war. Wonder where Jim went to engineering school? They do have a significant military. - Mike KB3EIA - Dunno. Maybe they were missing their recruitment quotas and Jim went there to plus them up. |
wrote: bb wrote: wrote: What does it matter whether I served in any military or not? Kind of makes it hard to be a Veteran if you didn't serve. But then comes you. A licensee with no antenna. In your case one has to conclude that becoming a Veteran was easier than putting up an antenna. How's the antenna install that your sister did for you on her last visit? Hams and non-hams can serve in the military. Which branch did you serve in? |
From: "K4YZ" on Thurs,Apr 14 2005 2:27 am
wrote: bb wrote: wrote: What does it matter whether I served in any military or not? Kind of makes it hard to be a Veteran if you didn't serve. But then comes you. A licensee with no antenna. In your case one has to conclude that becoming a Veteran was easier than putting up an antenna. Brian P Burke and Leonard H Anderson both epitomize all of the things that give other veterans a black eye. I would not want to be in a social setting where their status as veterans was known and then announce that I was a vet too. That's one "guilty by association" that I will gladly avoid. Tsk, tsk. You had BETTER avoid it! Once you step away from the Legion Hall bar YOU are liable to not make it out of the parking lot! :-) Sweetums, I have an HONORABLE discharges from military service. Kellie ain't got a one! Kellie couldn't make it in or got away with staying out (take a pick, prick). What have YOU got? A medical discharge. You claim, and then try to bluff everyone into believing "it was changed to an 'honorable' discharge." Do WE have "proof" of that? NO! Tsk. I can digitize my 1960 HONORABLE discharge and send it (have to get it out of the bank's safety deposit box). It can be verified at the St. Louis military records archives. It can probably be verified through the VA...but I've had NO need to do that myself. My employers have all checked and verified such was true for me, as has Social Security after my 65th birthday. Not a problem in my case. So...we've got BIG MOUTH Cuss-Everyone-Out Stevie bad-mouthing every one who disagrees with him and his claims of "seven hostile actions" and other bull****. We have to take his "word" that all he say is "true." :-) Like his "reference" to my "employment with NADC." [which never happened since I was never employed by the USN in any capacity] Poor Stevie doesn't like to "associate" with myself or Brian. Tsk, tsk, tsk. Poor baby. He should stay at the Legion Hall bar and keep telling his fantasy stories. Maybe someone WILL believe him (if they've had enough to drink). "Belief" is Stevie's BIG PROBLEM. He can't live with it...makes every- one else "prove" theirs and then keeps bad-mouthing them when they do! Psychotic Psteve. Tsk. Me, I got NO problems associating with REAL military veterans. Done it much...and NOT at some Legion Hall bar. Done it for years. I'm proud of what I did and there are NO blemishes on my military record. I'm sure Brian has a good record, too. "It ain't braggin if ya did it." I did it. Get some mental help, Psychotic Pstevie. You need it. ex-RA16408336, U.S. Army 1952-1960, HONORABLE discharge |
From: "bb" on Wed,Apr 13 2005 6:20 pm
wrote: What does it matter whether I served in any military or not? Kind of makes it hard to be a Veteran if you didn't serve. In his "heart" he served in everything... Here's a hint: The Canadian military forces used Morse Code in WW2. Oh, now I see the connections. Because you saw photos of Ham soldiers in QST, and you're a ham, you "served" by extension. The coat-tail connection. Of course. [he does expert "tailoring" on that coat-tail] Don't forget that Jimmie "served" in every morse combat situation...before and after "pioneering the airwaves" with all the first radiomen...not to mention being a personal assistant to Reggie Fessenden. :-) I could go on about the political and economic effects, but since this is a radio newsgroup I thought I'd stick to electronic and radio subjects. And Canadian war museum topics. ...and ANYTHING else that has emotional appeal to all those MORSEMEN out there. If it has MORSE in it, Jimmie MUST stamp it "approved for r.r.a.p. use." :-) If I did talk about any military service I had, you would be certain to make fun of it. It's just what you do, Len. So typical. You "served" in other ways. And Kelly has "real" military experience. Riiiight...Kellie was "served" at the Captain's table. It's only those who disagree with you about Morse Code testing that get your disrespect, abuse, name calling, and general jack(expletive deleted] behavior. Do you eat with that mouth? ...he eats Morse-o-meal for breakfast... Is there any reason to doubt that Steve, K4YZ, was involved if he says he was? Is there any reason to not apply Steve's rules of facts to Steve's claims? Stevie's "facts" are right out of Twilight Zone. Stevie is the National Enquirer's wanna-be reporter who was rejected by the editorial staff en masse as "being too fanciful for National Enquirer's standards." :-) I see. His mistake somehow justifies *your* behavior? Mistake? He's had ample opportunity to correct that mistake. Instead he piles up the lies. It must be eternal spring...whatever Stevie says, Jimmie approves. [kiss, kiss...] Godwin invoked. You lose. Why not use the person's name and callsign? Kim, W5TIT. Miccolis invoked. You lose. Rest of your double-standards snipped. Jimmie is thinking along Henry Ford lines...viz, the old quote about the Model T Ford: "You can have any color you want...as long as its black." Anyone can say anything positive about morse code in here...in any manner the pro-coder wants...and Jimmie will "judge" them "approved" and even "praise" the "manly manner" the pro-coder boosts the glory of Morse. :-) |
From: "K=D8=88B" on Thurs,Apr 14 2005 7:18 am
"K4YZ" wrote in message oups.com... Didn't Hans put that well into the 70's for the Navy? No, Hans didn't. The last significant use of Morse in the Navy was in the late 50's/early 60's. This usage was by small-boys, DD and smaller, on "fox" broadcasts and "A1" ship/shore circuits. Both uses ended with fleetwide deployment of Jason and Orestes circuits in the early 60's. Morse training for general duty Navy RM's ceased at the same time, and Morse operator became a specialized NEC (MOS to you grunts) held by only a few sailors, mostly in SPECOM branches (intercept operators, etc.). The single operational Morse use which survived was the VLF SSBN transmissions (two transmitters, one Cutler, ME and the other at Jim Creek, WA). That was a simple slow-speed beaconing system which notified boomers to pop up their satcomm antennas for the actual communications. 73, de Hans, K0HB Master Chief Radioman, US Navy Thank you for factual corroboration, Hans. As far as I know now, the VLF stations evolved into ELF but at different locations. According to a USN Fact Sheet those locations are at Clam Lake, WI, in the Chequamegon National Forest (operational since 1985) and Republic, MI (operational since 1989). The Republic station is synchronized in time with Clam Lake, all under operational control of NCTAMS LANT headquarters at Norfolk, VA. Their transmission protocol is "Deep Black" slow-speed data and the Boomers' (and Shark's) electronics rooms (what used to be a tiny "radio room" cubicle in WW2 boats) have "Black" ELF receivers always on-line (as are their automatic decoders) for Alerts. For an illustration of a Boomer electronics room, go to the www.fas.org site and search down through a maze of internal links to USN stuff; take info there as old and not containing all the juicy details but has the appearance of unclassified USN documents. My nephew-in-law was an electrician's mate on a shark, involved with reactor power plants, not radio. All he said about his shark boat's electronics room was "we couldn't hang around in there." :-) There was no such thing as a "nuclear boat/ship" in Canada or any other Navy during WW2. The only encryption used by the USA (and Canada as well as the UK) was the "Sigaba" as shown on the USS Pampanito floating museum and at the NSA on-line Museum. The "Sigaba" system (TTY), upgraded to post-WW2 standards was severely compromised by the capture of the USS Pueblo off the North Korean coast in 1968. The replacement system was compromised by CWO Walker who was convicted of espionage and is serving a federal life term. The present encryption methods are apparently two generations later than the Walker- compromised crypto systems...and quite secure. The original "Sigaba" on-line TTY crypto terminal was first installed in the 1940s and used to relay intercepts of the infamous "14-part" diplomatic message of Japan that was supposed to be the formal start of the Japanese declaration of a state of war. "Sigaba" was later used to coordinate USN fleet movements to enable the success of the Battle of Midway. That TTY encryption was never compromised through intercepts. It was compromised by actual capture of later-generation hardware on the USS Pueblo. The "Sigaba" encryption looked like severely distorted TTY to any standard, non-crypto TTY terminal, totally unreadable. The Far East Command Hq (Pershing Heights, Tokyo, Japan) had their crypto room in the sub-sub- basement of the main Hq building, the former Japanese War Ministry Hq. The post-WW2 improved "Sigaba" (known by various other names) was used by US Army Field Radio units in "Angry-26" huts during the Korean War. A few M-209 Code Coverters (WW2 non-electric devices in small cases of the portable typewriter kind) were used in the field in Korea for small-radio encryption but that ceased by the time of the active phase beginning in Vietnam. By interviews and other correspondence, the U.S. Army maintained morsemanship as a requisite for Field Radio MOSs ("NEC" to swabbies?) up to about 1972. USA had several different communications MOSs then, especially in TTY over various systems and including the first of the military satellite communications links. However, tactical use of morse code in the Army was essentially nil at that time. Encrypted voice in the field was first tried operationally during the Vietnam War over the PRC-25s and PRC-77s through peripheral boxes. Such is now easily selectable by front panel controls on the SINCGARS manpack and vehicular sets (COMSEC is built-in to nearly every radio now, including military HTs). During the First Gulf War, Special Forces had slightly old "threes" having 1200 BPS "chiclet" keyboards and LCD text display working on the military aviation band of 225-400 MHz. The mil av band was also relayed by mil satellites as well as "Joint Stars" relay aircraft. Moderate crypto system built-in on the "threes." There was no movie-style "behind enemy lines" use of morse in the 1990-1991 period...or afterwards. |
From: on Thurs,Apr 14 2005 3:42 am
wrote: From: on Wed,Apr 13 2005 4:28 am [etc., etc., etc...] Granted, you didn't see any "morse code modes" in use at ADA. But to say there was none used at all, anywhere in the US military is a different thing. Tsk, tsk, tsk. Changing the subject. Long-distance point-to-point communications bore the brunt of ALL military branchs' message traffic to an amount of GREATER than a million messages a month. What's interesting is that you have to qualify the statement as "long-distance point-to-point communications" - because Morse Code was then still being used *extensively* by the US Navy, by the maritime radio services, by aircraft and by many other radio services such as press services. "Extensively?!?" HOW DO YOU KNOW? :-) Sweetums, I WAS PART OF IT. :-) Army station ADA, as assigned to Far East Command Headquarters, carried not only Army traffic, but some USN traffic, some USAF traffic, some Press Services, even some Red Cross message traffic. ALL on TTY. Not a bit of morse code. And ADA was just the third largest station in ACAN (Army Commmand and Administrative Network). That "little" station (36 transmitters, all over 1 KW and on 24/7) relayed 220 thousand messages a month (1955). WAR (Washington Army Radio) handled over a million a month then. Sweetums, that "extensively" is just your wishful thinking. Of course there was SOME morse being used by all branches in 1953. But, HOW MUCH? YOU DON'T KNOW! YOU WERE NEVER IN. YOU NEVER DID IT FOR THE MILITARY. Your tunnel vision of "long-distance point-to-point communications" by the US military is about as relevant as the fact that Morse Code wasn't in use on the AM broadcast band in the 1930s. Tsk. A reducto ad absurdum. You must be getting rattled, sweetums. You are too young to have listened to Walter Winchell's "news broadcasts" on radio. He "used morse code" at every opening...apparently for some weird "authenticity" since ol' Walt was getting on towards Alzheimers at the time. And it was on fixed, predetermined frequencies, using equipment most individuals could not afford to buy. Tsk, that's called PROFESSIONAL COMMUNICATIONS, sweetums. When one is IN the Cold War and trying NOT to let it develop into a nuclear confrontation, one uses absolutely the BEST stuff to "get the message through." I'm sure the Canadian military did the same within their budget constraints. You want the U.S. military to act like amateurs? :-) Some of us think that POLICY of the U.S. government is "done by amateurs" but that's a whole other story. So, famous historian of radio, DID THE CANADIANS USE MILITARY RADIO LIKE AMATEURS? And it was *not* the kind of communications that make up the vast majority of amateur radio communications. Don't misdirect, sweetums. YOU started this thread with an emotional message about "morse code in the window" at a CANADIAN MILITARY museum. Try to stay within a few light-years of the subject. At some point, anyway. The US Navy was still using Morse Code long after the beginning of the 1950s. HOW DO YOU KNOW? YOU DIDN'T SERVE. So was the Coast Guard. HOW DO YOU KNOW? YOU DIDN'T SERVE. That SHOULD have some meaning to rational persons insofar as the efficacy of morse code for communications... There you go, Len, assuming your conclusion. What you're saying is that because the Army didn't use it, nobody should use it. For the VAST MAJORITY of message traffic in the U.S. military - ALL BRANCHES - morse code mode was NOT used "extensively." What the heck, Jimmie Noserve, you weren't IN any military, not even in Canada. Why are you all upset? Here's a hint: Ham radio isn't the US Army. When Uncle Sam is willing to buy radios for all hams, then maybe you'll have a point. OH! OH! ERROR! MISTAKE! First of all, your buddie and pal, Stevie he say that "MARS IS amateur radio!" Tsk. MARS' first letter in that acronym means MILITARY. Secondly, check with a REAL MARS civilian volunteer. You will find out that the military GIVES them radio goodies. No need to "buy." Military already bought the stuff and used it. Be NICE to MARS folks, Jimmie, maybe they'll GIVE you an AN/FRC-93 for nothing; it's a Collins KWM2 Commercial transceiver with a military nameplate. too prone to human errors by its operators, All communications modes are prone to operator error. The person typing on a teleprinter can make a mistake, too. HOW DO YOU KNOW? Don't see any TTY in that picture of YOUR ham shack! :-) Nope. You just don't like the mode. Sweetums, I just don't LIKE the TEST for it. :-) Tsk. You get SO confused when someone doesn't "like" EVERYTHING about morse code! by now, EVERY other radio service has either DROPPED the mode (if they used it at all in the past) or NEVER CONSIDERED it when that radio service began. So what, Len? That's like saying that since almost all motor vehicles don't have manual transmissions anymore, no vehicles should have them. gave up having "...give up having..." Tsk. Got so flustered you couldn't finish the sentence? :-) Hello? Have you taken a state driver license exam? Lately? Look again and see how many questions there are on MANUAL TRANSMISSION automobile operation. Sweetums, I was talking about the morse code TEST. You began this whole thread with an emotional thing about "morse code in the window" at a Canadian military museum. I wasn't talking about automotive design. There's a rec newsgroup on that but I don't know it's name. Automotive design doesn't belong in here anyway. The main reason Morse Code was replaced by other modes in other radio services is that it required skilled operators at both ends of the circuit. Skilled operators cost money and have to be taken care of, and the speed and accuracy of communications is limited to their skill level. So the skilled operator was eliminated by technology, to save time and money. Riiiight, Jimmie, but you've de-emphasized "other modes" to try and make your case. You didn't for a lot of reasons. Day-in, day-out morse mode manual comms can probably handle 20 WPM rates. If the morsemen are good. I'm talking SUSTAINED hour-by-hour operation, NOT burst mode stuff which CAN be faster. The OLD teleprinters could chug along CONTINUOUSLY at 60 WPM from the 1930s onward. Paper tape could be prepared ahead of time and used in automatic transmitting distributors, be punched at the receiving end also. By the 1960s the NEWER teleprinters were chugging along at 100 WPM SUSTAINED. No problem. Teleprinter makers did excellent electromechanical designs. Just think, SUSTAINED THROUGHPUT at 100 WPM! 24/7 if there were folks to keep feeding the machines paper, p-tape, and electricity. No bathroom breaks, no need to sleep, no need for food breaks. By the 1970s the electromechanical systems were being replaced by DATA, teleprinting by electronics, first with rates of 300 WPM, then 1200 WPM, then 2400 WPM, and finally at 56000 WPM over voice-grade circuits. [getting close to Shannon's limit on today's modems] What you're saying, then, is that you want to eliminate the skilled operators from ham radio, too. NO, sweetums. What I've ALWAYS SAID is to toss, throw away, eliminate the morse code TEST for amateur radio license. THE TEST. In the United States, "ARS" does NOT stand for "Amateur RadioTELEGRAPHY Service." There is NO requirement for any U.S. amateur licensee to operate on morse code mode. ALL allocated modes are optional to use for any class. Why do you keep insisting that the ONLY SKILL in ham radio is morsemanship? If morsemanship is such a wonderful thing, then it should be optional for any ham to become a good morseman ON HIS OR HER OWN. Since the U.S. government doesn't require exclusive morse use, it shouldn't be ON the TEST. For over half a century (actually, since before WW2) the brunt of messaging in the military has been done by modes OTHER than morse code. Even if true, (it's not) so what? HOW DO YOU KNOW? YOU'VE NEVER SERVED IN THE MILITARY. You're argument says that since most US Navy ships stopped relying on the wind for propulsion long ago, nobody should own a sailboat today, even for "a hobby pursuit, a recreation, something done on free time for enjoyment." Sweetums, this newsgroup is NOT about BOATING. YOU started this thread with an emotional message about "morse code in the window" at a Canadian military museum. Now you want to hoist a sail on your lil sabot? :-) Show me the SSBN that uses "sail" as an alternate means of propulsion...or the USS Kennedy aircraf carrier. :-) Better yet, tell us how the USCG appreciates the use of morse modes on harbor and river VHF communications? :-) Very illogical. Sweetums, you almost take the prize for today's reducto ad absurdum message content! The old Bell Telephone system handled a lot more than 1.5 million "messages" a month back then, too. HOW DO YOU KNOW? WERE YOU A TELEPHONE OPERATOR? What possible connection does that have to the self-trained, self-funded amateur radio operator? WHAT POSSIBLE "CONNECTION" does a NON-VETERAN, NON- CANADIAN have with a Canadian military museum that has "morse code in the window?" :-) It should be obvious to rational people that there is NO need for any morse code testing for a hobby radio activity. There's where you make an illogical jump. You hold up what the US military allegedly did, then say it's somehow connected to what hams should do. There's NO "allegedly" going on, Sweetums. It is recorded history. I was THERE, DOING IT. You were NOT. But you never say what the connection is. Just that "it's obvious to rational people" - which it isn't. I never said morsemen are "rational." :-) What morse code testing for a hobby radio activity has become is a travesty, a gross artificiality kept in there by old-timers who managed to pass such tests and keep insisting that all newcomers MUST do as they did. No, that's simply not true at all. It's just your way of rationalizing your hatred, Len. "Hatred?" Ain't NO "hatred," Jimeee. You must think the ARS stands for Amateur RadioTELEGRAPHY Service. You cannot conceive of the possibility that U.S. amateur radio could ever exist without that beloved code TEST and all the "importance" "skill" "grandeur" and "nobility" of morsemanship. :-) Since amateur radio operators *do* use Morse Code extensively, today, on the air, for a wide variety of activities, it is perfectly obvious to rational people that a basic test of Morse code skill is a reasonable test requirement for a license. That's the whole thing, right there. NO! ERROR! MISTAKE! The FCC has NOT *REQUIRED* morse use over an above any other mode, any class licensee, for years. ALL allocated modes are OPTIONAL for use. Since all those allocated modes are OPTIONAL, then there is NO reason to require a morse code test for a license. Of course, that is a rational reason. Since some morsemen are irrational in their absolute DEMAND to RETAIN morse code testing, you might not approve. :-) You resent knowing that another has done it. I don't resent it at all, Len. I'm just bored by your constant repetition of the same old story and illogical conclusions. Poor baby. Just like your buddie and pal, Psycho Psteve. Anything against your Godlike judgement is an "error" or "mistake" and you DISALLOW all such arguments. :-) And you still haven't explained how what happened at ADA a half-century ago has any relevance to ham radio today. Oh, my, you are still "unconvinced?" ADA, as well as AHA, AGA, and lots of other Army stations used vacuum tube transmitters. Seems to me that station N2EY uses TUBES! Tsk, over half a century later and Jimmie still relies on TUBES! :-) Oh, and the SAME principles of physics applied to RADIO then as well as now, regardless of human-designated radio "service." ADA did its operation on HF. By odd coincidence (or is it?) station N2EY also uses HF! Sunnuvagun! :-) Here's one more analogy to your alleged logic: Now, now, Jimmie, you are getting testy... :-) Inexpensive calculators have been around for a couple of decades now. Almost nobody in business or the professions relies on manual arithmetic anymore - even the smallest businesses, for example, use electronic cash registers to do the calculations. Wowee...such "extensive" analogy building. However, some ERRORS! "Pa" Watson, the one who began IBM, began as a cash register salesman for NCR. All-mechanical cash registers. Those worked real well for SMALL businesses before I was born. The HP-35 and all the rest of the scientific calculators that followed obliterated the demand for "slide rules!" Where such manual calculation was once done, it has been completely replaced by electronic methods. Manual calculation is too slow, too error-prone, and too dependent on human skill. Oh, my, yes! Therefore, we should not require anyone to learn how to do such calculations as addition, subtraction, multiplication or division, let alone square roots or other techniques. That's what you're saying. And it's nonsense. Now, now, Jimmie, you are falling into the reducto ad absurdum "argument" again. :-) Maybe there's some situation where a cash register or calculator was "necessary" for radio communication, but dang if'n I know of one. Try to remember I've been doing radio communications for a long time now...longer than you've been alive (or at least born, that is). Never heard of a radio license exam that REQUIRED demonstrating basic arithmetic skills to get that license. :-) Tsk. Anyone wanting logs or trig functions to better than 5 figures needs to do a Taylor Series or other polynomial equations to get an accurate answer?!? That's DUMB, Jimmie, and you SHOULD know that is a complete waste of time. Let the little scientific calculator do it...good to 12 digits...double-precision computer calculations are good to 14 decimal digits. But, you are trying to make an "analogy" of basic math skills to RADIO LICENSING! Good grief. Not ONE bit of morse code involved in basic math skills! Tsk. You ought to get all ARS licensees to WORK SPARK TRANSMITTERS! VERY BASIC! THE *FIRST* TRANSMITTERS FOR AMATEURS! Tradition and all that...long before you were born, Jimmie. Yes, I know "spark" is not allowed as an emission. So, why are you constantly emitting all that nonsense about the NEED TO KNOW morse code? Why do you force your personal desires on all newcomers? Why can't you live and let live...allow the ARS to ADVANCE beyond the "Archaic Radiotelegraphy Society?" |
bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: wrote: bb wrote: wrote: What does it matter whether I served in any military or not? Kind of makes it hard to be a Veteran if you didn't serve. But then comes you. A licensee with no antenna. In your case one has to conclude that becoming a Veteran was easier than putting up an antenna. Brian P Burke and Leonard H Anderson both epitomize all of the things that give other veterans a black eye. I would not want to be in a social setting where their status as veterans was known and then announce that I was a vet too. That's one "guilty by association" that I will gladly avoid. Steve, K4YZ There is no guilt in military service, unless you lie about it. Like saying that you have "real military experience" when you don't, or saying that you have "seven hostile actions" when you have none. Lennie's use of the sacrifice of life for his own glorification is one of the most "intolerable sins" amongst veterans. Period. Best of Luck. None needed, but thanks. Steve, K4YZ |
wrote: From: "K4YZ" on Thurs,Apr 14 2005 2:27 am wrote: bb wrote: wrote: What does it matter whether I served in any military or not? Kind of makes it hard to be a Veteran if you didn't serve. But then comes you. A licensee with no antenna. In your case one has to conclude that becoming a Veteran was easier than putting up an antenna. Brian P Burke and Leonard H Anderson both epitomize all of the things that give other veterans a black eye. I would not want to be in a social setting where their status as veterans was known and then announce that I was a vet too. That's one "guilty by association" that I will gladly avoid. Tsk, tsk. You had BETTER avoid it! Once you step away from the Legion Hall bar YOU are liable to not make it out of the parking lot! I don't drink, Lennie. Sweetums, I have an HONORABLE discharges from military service. Yes, you do. But it's your self-serving use of the deaths of others for your own glorification that dishonored whatever you DID do good, Lennie. Kellie ain't got a one! Kellie couldn't make it in or got away with staying out (take a pick, prick). You've been asked this before, I am asking again: WHAT LAW DID BRIAN KELLY VIOLATE BY NOT SERVING IN THE ARMED FORCES...?!?! (Caps not for yelling, but to make it easier for the old man to read...he has obviouly had a hard with it!) What have YOU got? A medical discharge. Nope. Same Honorable you've got, Lennie. You claim, and then try to bluff everyone into believing "it was changed to an 'honorable' discharge." Do WE have "proof" of that? NO! It was never "changed" to an Honorable, Lennie. It was Honorable all along. I was discharged. Tsk. I can digitize my 1960 HONORABLE discharge...(SNIP) Sure you can. Two problems, though. One, you've already done the "I am going to send you an e-mail" trick wherein you DIDN'T send what you promised you were going to do. Trust blown. Secondly, as I have said over an over, I don't doubt that you have an "Honorable" discharge. But what I HAVE said over and over it's HOW YOU DISGRACED YOUR SERVICE WITH YOUR SELFISH USE OF OTHER'S SACRIFICES THAT MAKE YOU THE SCUMBAG YOU ARE! Me, I got NO problems associating with REAL military veterans. Done it much...and NOT at some Legion Hall bar. Done it for years. I'm proud of what I did and there are NO blemishes on my military record. I'm sure Brian has a good record, too. "It ain't braggin if ya did it." I did it. You also "did it" when you tried to embellish YOUR "record" with the deaths of Soldiers who died in combat before you were even inducted. Get some mental help, Psychotic Pstevie. You need it. Not even remotely as much as you, old man. ex-RA16408336, U.S. Army 1952-1960, HONORABLE discharge Pathologiocal liar and teller of Tall Tales. User Of Other's Sacrifices. Putz. Steve, K4yz |
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