wrote:
From: "K0HB" on Mon 6 Jun 2005 03:14

wrote

4) Reducing the license test requirements has not brought sustained
growth to US amateur radio.

Does Amateur Radio need to grow?

If so, why?

1. In order to be at the same percentage as OTHER radio users;
the FCC regulates ALL civil radio in the USA and the
population of the USA is (keeping on) increasing. To be
competitive just to retain desired bands against all other
services requires a justification in citizen participants in
amateur radio...which means it must at least keep up with
the increasing population.

The total number of amateur radio licensees as a percentage of the
US population is only one factor in the regulatory process. Other
factors include the number of *active* licensees, the way the
allocated spectrum is used, compliance with FCC rules,
the needs and wants of the ARS vs. other services, new and old
technologies, to name but a few.

2. To retain a sizeable market for both equipment, components,
and publications aimed at radio amateurs. There are many,
many, many markets for electronics items today, much more
so than a half century ago.

Agreed. However, the variety of equipment available to radio
amateurs today far exceeds that of the past, and the cost in
constant dollars is far less.

Manufacturers of equipment,
components, and publications desire a large enough
market to enable profit; shrinking market numbers are
coincident with reduced profit and that be a no-no.

Yet even small companies serving niches in the amateur radio
market have demonstrated they can survive.

3. Actuarial tables will show that normal life span is going
to have a greater effect on an activity where the
participants are above the median population age...which
increases the probability of earlier attrition of numbers.

In other words, the older the population, the more of 'em are
going to die off sooner.

[regardless of egregious boasting or frequent, vociferous
denial, radio amateurs will NOT live forever]

Who boasted that?

Note:
amateur radio demographics indicate the participants are
older than the national population median age.

It would be interesting to see detailed statistics on that. Can you
provide them, Len?

Two caveats on median age comparisons:

1) There are relatively few radio amateurs younger
than about 10 years of age. So any comparison
to the general population should be adjusted to
compensate for the fact that the median age of the
US population can reasonably be expected to
be lower than that of an activity such as amateur
radio.

2) The source of amateur radio licensee age
statistics can be problematic. The FCC has
changed its policy on birthdate information
as part of the requirements, so some licensees
ages are known and others are unknown, making
the FCC database a problematic source of
licensee age information.
Surveys and polls may or may not be a
representative sample of the amateur radio
population.

A more illuminating statistic, IMHO, would be to compare
the distribution of the ages of amateur radio operators
to the distribution of the ages of the general population.

4. Amateur radio is basically a HOBBY.

For many if not most radio amateurs, that is true. But there
is a significant public service element to the amateur radio
service that is not a part of most other "hobby" activities.

There are many more
types and kinds of activity available to the population
today versus a half century ago and that is competition
for available free time for hobbyists.

There are also more hobbyists and more free time. More retirees
and semi-retirees. People are living longer and staying active longer.

Greater numbers
of amateur radio participants will increase exposure and
possible interest to the general public, demonstrate to
government agencies for favorable decisions in favor of
amateur radio participants.

That is true only if the "greater numbers" are active, visible, and
present a positive image to the general public and government
agencies.

Note: The ARRL membership
as of the end of 2004 was only 140 thousand while the
Academy of Model Aeronautics, the USA national membership
organization of model airplane flyers was 175 thousand
at that same time. [source: website statements of both
organizations]

An interesting statistic, but of itself tells little. Additional
information is
needed to understand the full meaning.

For example, what does it cost to be a member of the Academy of
Model Aeronautics? How long is a membership good for? What services
does the Academy offer its membership?

5. The no-code-test Technician Class license has only been
available for 14 years and (as of Sunday, 5 Jun 05) already
has 293,613 licensees out of a total of 722,452 individual
licenses in the USA.

The above numbers include expired-but-in-the-grace-period
licenses as well as current (unexpired) licenses. The number of
current licenses is significantly lower.

The term "no-code-test Technician Class" is not entirely accurate.
An unknown number of amateur whose license class is Technician
have passed a code test. These include:

- Former Novices who passed the Technician written test after April
15, 2000

- Former Technician Plus licensees who renewed their licenses after
April
15, 2000

- Technician licensees who passed the code test after April 1, 2000 but
who
have not upgraded to a higher license class.

Had that not been available, the
total number of amateur licenses would have SHRUNK by a
sizeable number.

This statement is an opinion, not a fact. There is no way to know for
sure
what would have happened.

However, it should be noted that, in the 9 years and two months from
February 14, 1991
to April 15, 2000, the overall growth in the number of FCC issued
amateur radio licenses
was less in both total number of licenses and percentage growth, than
the growth for an equal period of time before February 14, 1991. (That
date is when the Technician class license no longer required a code
test).

In addition, there has been a net loss of total FCC amateur radio
licenses held by individuals since the restructuring of April 2000.
Despite reductions in both code and written testing, and the reduction
of license classes open to newcomers, growth has
not occurred.

The exact amount of shrinkage is
unknown since it is impossible to accurately predict an
alternate future.

There is a logical contradiction here.

First Len claimed that a "shrinkage" (loss of total number of licenses)
would
have occurred if the Technician had retained its 5 wpm code test. Then,
he
admits that it is impossible to accurately predict an alternate future.

Both statements cannot be simultaneously true. One of them must be
incorrect.

That shrinkage could, at worst case,
reduced the Sunday totals to 428,839 total individual
licenses, a drop to 59.36 percent.

The preceding statement is incorrect.

The 293,613 Technician class licenses cited above are not all
"no-code-test" licenses. Therefore, had the Technician
retained its code test, at least some of those 293,613 would
still be licensed amateurs. An additional unknown number
would have earned licenses regardless of the code test.

Currently (as of
Sunday, 5 Jun 05) the no-code-test Technician class
license represents 40.64 percent of the total individual
license grants.

The preceding statement does not recognize the fact that not
all licenses of the Technician class are "no code test". It is
therefore misleading to the point of possibly being incorrect.

As the FCC continues to renew all Technician Plus licenses
as Technician, the number of code-tested Technicians
continues to grow.

6. The availability of communications resources to the general
public has greatly expanded in the last half century.

As it did in the half-century preceding ...

As
of the end of 2003 there were 100 MILLION cellular telephone
subscriptions in the USA. [USA Census Bureau statement in
early 2004] One in five families in the USA has SOME
access to the Internet. [Census Bureau, same statement as
for cellular telephony] Self-service facsimile machines
are common in chain drugstores and office supply stores.
Every government agency and nearly all military units of
battalion size or equivalent have websites in the USA.
Direct-dial-telephone service is available to all telephone
subscribers in the USA from small towns to large urban
areas; that includes direct dialing to foreign telephone
subscribers.

None of these are radio services that require licensing by the user.
Indeed, most of them are not radio services at all.

The only real significance of these communications alternatives
to amateur radio growth is that they are additional choices for the
person whose primary interest is the message rather than the medium.
For the person who is more interested in "radio for its own sake",
they are not a substitute.

Consider the analogy of water transport. For millenia, watercraft were
propelled by wind, muscles (human or animal) and/or water currents.
Traveling by water meant those motive power sources and no others.

Then the invention of steam and internal-combustion engines created
a whole new set of alternatives. In less than a century, most water
transportation abandoned wind and muscle power entirely, in favor
of fossil-fueled and even nuclear-powered engines.

Yet sailboats, rowboats and canoes still exist. They are most used
by those for whom the journey is more than simply getting from
Point A to Point B.

The number of "eleven meter" CB transceivers
in use in the USA is roughly 5 MILLION (electronic industry
estimates several years ago);

There is no way to know for sure how many of these are actually
in use, because there is no license procedure for that radio
service. The number quoted is a decline from the boom
years of the "cb craze", about 30 years ago. Despite the low cost
of cb equipment, the lack of licensing and rules enforcement, and
the widespread availability, the cb service has been in decline from
its peak for a couple of decades now - while the population considers
to increase.

"CB" has existed for 47
years.

Citizens band allocations in the 27 MHz region were created 47 years
ago,
but the service goes back to 1948, when UHF allocations were created by
FCC. The current GMRS and FRS allocations are the direct descendants
of those 1948 allocations.

FRS and GMRS handheld, average 5-mile range, are
available in consumer electronics stores/departments for
less than $100 a pair (no license required for FRS radios).
Throughout the USA public safety agencies have some form
of non-amateur radio communications, as do utility,
transportation, highway maintenance industries; the business
and government radio market has long been established in
the USA and major countries in the world.

Yet in emergency situations, the amateur radio service continues to
perform public service.

As an adjunct to several items in competition for advertising
income necessary to sustain some publications, it should be
pointed out that the number of printed periodicals in the
USA has tripled (almost quadrupled) in the last half century.
Add to that the competiiton from the Internet ad markets since
the public release of the Internet in 1991 and the advertising
space purchasers are spread over a large number of venues.
In USA amateur radio periodicals, Ham Radio, Ham Radio Horizons,
73, and CQ VHF have all been forced to close due to insufficient
income from ad sales. [QEX and Communications Quarterly, a
attempt at some resumption of Ham Radio magazine content, were
joined, but with marginal success on ad space sales] Note:
HR, 73, CQ are all "independent" periodical publishers whose
operating income is dependent entirely on advertising space
sales.

The previous statement is obviously incorrect, since none of the
above mentioned are free publications. It is obvious that "operating
income" includes all income available for the production of a
publication - advertising, subscriptions, etc.

Some non-amateur-specific periodicals such as Popular
Communications have enjoyed an increase in readership and
drawing more ad space purchasers. Marketing follows trends and
interests generated through advertising and adjusts product
prices accordingly. Advertising, though irritating to some, is
a good barometer of the "product weather."

To sustain at least the status quo, U.S. amateur radio license
numbers must follow the population increase. To be competitive
for both attention and product pricing, as well as for favorable
regulations and new products, the license numbers must grow.

This may or may not be true. Simply increasing the number of
licenses may not result in a larger market for equipment or
publications, nor a more-favorable regulatory climate. The 27 MHz
cb example is not what amateur radio should emulate.

Individual radio amateurs have expressed an opinion that growth
should NOT happen.

Who would that be, Len? What did they say, exactly?

Those may be looking at their own activities
without regard for the overall national picture or advances in
overall communications capabilities. To them everything is
"comfortable" as it is.

Perhaps. It is important, however, to evaluate whether proposed
changes will actually bring growth, and also whether there will
be negative effects connected with the proposed changes that
will negate the positive effects of growth.

Greater quantity will not help the ARS if the quality suffers too
much.

Those same "comfortable as it is"
amateurs will begin to attrit in a decade or two and their
numbers will drop.

Who are you referring to, Len?

That will shrink the number of licensees
despite the recent increases due almost entirely to the no-code-
test licensees of the last 14 years.

In the past 5 years, the number of US hams has decreased, not
increased. The total
number of Technicians and Technician Pluses is lower now than 5 years
ago.

Shrinkage in numbers due
to old-timers leaving must be offset by more than just that "new"
no-code-test license class.

What solution do you propose?

From: on Mon 6 Jun 2005 18:17

wrote:
From: "K0HB" on Mon 6 Jun 2005 03:14


The total number of amateur radio licensees as a percentage of the
US population is only one factor in the regulatory process. Other
factors include the number of *active* licensees, the way the

That's simply untrue, '

[FCC constantly polls all amateurs to see if they are *active*
and thus only the *active* amateurs count for anything by the
morsemen who are truly representative of amateur radio in their
service to the nation]

Agreed. However, the variety of equipment available to radio
amateurs today far exceeds that of the past, and the cost in
constant dollars is far less.

That's simply untrue, '

[beautiful, state-of-the transceivers can be built for
under $100 by morsemen who are the true representatives
of amateur radio in their service to the nation]

Yet even small companies serving niches in the amateur radio
market have demonstrated they can survive.

That's simply untrue, '

[all who dilligently serve the niches never go defunct]

In other words, the older the population, the more of 'em are
going to die off sooner.

That's simply untrue, '

[morsemen live forever and are truly representative of
amateur radio in their service to the nation]


1) There are relatively few radio amateurs younger
than about 10 years of age. So any comparison
to the general population should be adjusted to
compensate for the fact that the median age of the
US population can reasonably be expected to
be lower than that of an activity such as amateur
radio.

That's simply untrue, '

[all true morsemen began when under 14 years of age, live
forever, and are the true representatives of amateur radio
in their service to the nation]

2) The source of amateur radio licensee age
statistics can be problematic. The FCC has
changed its policy on birthdate information
as part of the requirements, so some licensees
ages are known and others are unknown, making
the FCC database a problematic source of
licensee age information.
Surveys and polls may or may not be a
representative sample of the amateur radio
population.

That's simply untrue, '

' has only to post and his words are true, for
he is a morseman and truly representative of amateur radio
in his service to the nation]

A more illuminating statistic, IMHO, would be to compare
the distribution of the ages of amateur radio operators
to the distribution of the ages of the general population.

That's simply untrue, '

[morsemen are ageless and truly represent amateur radio in
their service to the nation]


4. Amateur radio is basically a HOBBY.

For many if not most radio amateurs, that is true. But there
is a significant public service element to the amateur radio
service that is not a part of most other "hobby" activities.

That's simply untrue, '

[morsemen serve their country in all amateurdom and are the
only true representatives of amateur radio]


There are also more hobbyists and more free time. More retirees
and semi-retirees. People are living longer and staying active longer.

That's simply untrue, '

[morsemen are ageless and truly represent amateur radio in
their service to the nation]


That is true only if the "greater numbers" are active, visible, and
present a positive image to the general public and government
agencies.

[morsemen serve their country in all things amateur, are the
only true representatives]


An interesting statistic, but of itself tells little. Additional
information is needed to understand the full meaning.

That's simply untrue, '

[morsemen are the only ones that count for anything]


For example, what does it cost to be a member of the Academy of
Model Aeronautics? How long is a membership good for? What services
does the Academy offer its membership?

[only morsemen are true representatives of anything and
therefore all other activities are meaningless]


The above numbers include expired-but-in-the-grace-period
licenses as well as current (unexpired) licenses. The number of
current licenses is significantly lower.

[only morsemen are significant since they represent amateur
radio in their service to the country]

The term "no-code-test Technician Class" is not entirely accurate.
An unknown number of amateur whose license class is Technician
have passed a code test. These include:

[only morsemen are significant since they represent amateur
radio in their service to the country]


In addition, there has been a net loss of total FCC amateur radio
licenses held by individuals since the restructuring of April 2000.
Despite reductions in both code and written testing, and the reduction
of license classes open to newcomers, growth has not occurred.

[the only true growth in radio is through morsemenship and thus
morsemen truly represent amateur radio in their service to the
nation]


The preceding statement does not recognize the fact that not
all licenses of the Technician class are "no code test". It is
therefore misleading to the point of possibly being incorrect.

[only morsemen are truly representative of amateur radio in
their service to the nation]



As the FCC continues to renew all Technician Plus licenses
as Technician, the number of code-tested Technicians
continues to grow.

[only morsemen are truly representative of amateur radio in
their service to the nation]


None of these are radio services that require licensing by the user.
Indeed, most of them are not radio services at all.

[only amateur morsemen are truly representative of radio]


The only real significance of these communications alternatives
to amateur radio growth is that they are additional choices for the
person whose primary interest is the message rather than the medium.
For the person who is more interested in "radio for its own sake",
they are not a substitute.

[only amateur morsemen are truly representative of radio]


Consider the analogy of water transport. For millenia, watercraft were
propelled by wind, muscles (human or animal) and/or water currents.
Traveling by water meant those motive power sources and no others.

[only amateur morsemen are truly representative of radio which,
through amateurism is the national transportation served]


Then the invention of steam and internal-combustion engines created
a whole new set of alternatives. In less than a century, most water
transportation abandoned wind and muscle power entirely, in favor
of fossil-fueled and even nuclear-powered engines.

[only amateur morsemen are truly representative of radio which,
through amateurism is the national transportation served]



There is no way to know for sure how many of these are actually
in use, because there is no license procedure for that radio
service. The number quoted is a decline from the boom
years of the "cb craze", about 30 years ago. Despite the low cost
of cb equipment, the lack of licensing and rules enforcement, and
the widespread availability, the cb service has been in decline from
its peak for a couple of decades now - while the population considers
to increase.

[only amateur morsemen are truly representative of radio which,
through amateurism is the national transportation served]



Citizens band allocations in the 27 MHz region were created 47 years
ago, but the service goes back to 1948, when UHF allocations were created by
FCC. The current GMRS and FRS allocations are the direct descendants
of those 1948 allocations.

That is simply mistaken, .

The electromagnetic spectrum does not exist in frequency unless
it has first been pioneered by amateurs, noted by the ARRL,
and remarked upon by K1ZZ in a QST editorial. FCC does not
count, physics do not count, the fact that the FCC did not
exist prior to 1934 does not count.

[the first mode in radio was telegraphy and that, in 1896, is
the bedrock upon which morsemen trace their radiotelegraphy
roots and morsemen are the only true representatives of
amateur radio in their service to the nation]


Yet in emergency situations, the amateur radio service continues to
perform public service.

[so it is written by morsemen who are the true representatives
of amateur radio in their service to the nation]



The previous statement is obviously incorrect, since none of the
above mentioned are free publications. It is obvious that "operating
income" includes all income available for the production of a
publication - advertising, subscriptions, etc.

You are simply mistaken,

[so it is written by the morsemen who are all accomplished
publishers as well as radio manufacturers and thus truly
representative of amateur radio in their service to the nation]



This may or may not be true. Simply increasing the number of
licenses may not result in a larger market for equipment or
publications, nor a more-favorable regulatory climate. The 27 MHz
cb example is not what amateur radio should emulate.

[cb is the scum, the vileness of the devil, spawn of satan
and the only true representatives of radio are the amateur
morsemen serving their nation]



Perhaps. It is important, however, to evaluate whether proposed
changes will actually bring growth, and also whether there will
be negative effects connected with the proposed changes that
will negate the positive effects of growth.

You are simply mistaken, .

[only morsemen can know for they represent the true being of
radio and the amateur service to their nation]



In the past 5 years, the number of US hams has decreased, not
increased. The total
number of Technicians and Technician Pluses is lower now than 5 years
ago.

You are simply mistaken, .

[only morsemen know the truth for they are truly representative
of amateur radio in their service to the nation]


What solution do you propose?

Morse code. The salvation of humankind, morse code is the only
answer to immortality, truth, justice, and the American Way.

.... "morsemen" have lost touch of reality... however, this is not
surprising, they attempt to pay homage to dead keys and recite the
technology of yesteryear as relevant... soon this too will pass...

Warmest regards,
John
wrote in message
oups.com...
From: on Mon 6 Jun 2005 18:17

wrote:
From: "K0HB" on Mon 6 Jun 2005 03:14


The total number of amateur radio licensees as a percentage of the
US population is only one factor in the regulatory process. Other
factors include the number of *active* licensees, the way the

That's simply untrue, '

[FCC constantly polls all amateurs to see if they are *active*
and thus only the *active* amateurs count for anything by the
morsemen who are truly representative of amateur radio in their
service to the nation]

Agreed. However, the variety of equipment available to radio
amateurs today far exceeds that of the past, and the cost in
constant dollars is far less.

That's simply untrue, '

[beautiful, state-of-the transceivers can be built for
under $100 by morsemen who are the true representatives
of amateur radio in their service to the nation]

Yet even small companies serving niches in the amateur radio
market have demonstrated they can survive.

That's simply untrue, '

[all who dilligently serve the niches never go defunct]

In other words, the older the population, the more of 'em are
going to die off sooner.

That's simply untrue, '

[morsemen live forever and are truly representative of
amateur radio in their service to the nation]


1) There are relatively few radio amateurs younger
than about 10 years of age. So any comparison
to the general population should be adjusted to
compensate for the fact that the median age of the
US population can reasonably be expected to
be lower than that of an activity such as amateur
radio.

That's simply untrue, '

[all true morsemen began when under 14 years of age, live
forever, and are the true representatives of amateur radio
in their service to the nation]

2) The source of amateur radio licensee age
statistics can be problematic. The FCC has
changed its policy on birthdate information
as part of the requirements, so some licensees
ages are known and others are unknown, making
the FCC database a problematic source of
licensee age information.
Surveys and polls may or may not be a
representative sample of the amateur radio
population.

That's simply untrue, '

' has only to post and his words are true, for
he is a morseman and truly representative of amateur radio
in his service to the nation]

A more illuminating statistic, IMHO, would be to compare
the distribution of the ages of amateur radio operators
to the distribution of the ages of the general population.

That's simply untrue, '

[morsemen are ageless and truly represent amateur radio in
their service to the nation]


4. Amateur radio is basically a HOBBY.

For many if not most radio amateurs, that is true. But there
is a significant public service element to the amateur radio
service that is not a part of most other "hobby" activities.

That's simply untrue, '

[morsemen serve their country in all amateurdom and are the
only true representatives of amateur radio]


There are also more hobbyists and more free time. More retirees
and semi-retirees. People are living longer and staying active longer.

That's simply untrue, '

[morsemen are ageless and truly represent amateur radio in
their service to the nation]


That is true only if the "greater numbers" are active, visible, and
present a positive image to the general public and government
agencies.

[morsemen serve their country in all things amateur, are the
only true representatives]


An interesting statistic, but of itself tells little. Additional
information is needed to understand the full meaning.

That's simply untrue, '

[morsemen are the only ones that count for anything]


For example, what does it cost to be a member of the Academy of
Model Aeronautics? How long is a membership good for? What services
does the Academy offer its membership?

[only morsemen are true representatives of anything and
therefore all other activities are meaningless]


The above numbers include expired-but-in-the-grace-period
licenses as well as current (unexpired) licenses. The number of
current licenses is significantly lower.

[only morsemen are significant since they represent amateur
radio in their service to the country]

The term "no-code-test Technician Class" is not entirely accurate.
An unknown number of amateur whose license class is Technician
have passed a code test. These include:

[only morsemen are significant since they represent amateur
radio in their service to the country]


In addition, there has been a net loss of total FCC amateur radio
licenses held by individuals since the restructuring of April 2000.
Despite reductions in both code and written testing, and the reduction
of license classes open to newcomers, growth has not occurred.

[the only true growth in radio is through morsemenship and thus
morsemen truly represent amateur radio in their service to the
nation]


The preceding statement does not recognize the fact that not
all licenses of the Technician class are "no code test". It is
therefore misleading to the point of possibly being incorrect.

[only morsemen are truly representative of amateur radio in
their service to the nation]



As the FCC continues to renew all Technician Plus licenses
as Technician, the number of code-tested Technicians
continues to grow.

[only morsemen are truly representative of amateur radio in
their service to the nation]


None of these are radio services that require licensing by the user.
Indeed, most of them are not radio services at all.

[only amateur morsemen are truly representative of radio]


The only real significance of these communications alternatives
to amateur radio growth is that they are additional choices for the
person whose primary interest is the message rather than the medium.
For the person who is more interested in "radio for its own sake",
they are not a substitute.

[only amateur morsemen are truly representative of radio]


Consider the analogy of water transport. For millenia, watercraft were
propelled by wind, muscles (human or animal) and/or water currents.
Traveling by water meant those motive power sources and no others.

[only amateur morsemen are truly representative of radio which,
through amateurism is the national transportation served]


Then the invention of steam and internal-combustion engines created
a whole new set of alternatives. In less than a century, most water
transportation abandoned wind and muscle power entirely, in favor
of fossil-fueled and even nuclear-powered engines.

[only amateur morsemen are truly representative of radio which,
through amateurism is the national transportation served]



There is no way to know for sure how many of these are actually
in use, because there is no license procedure for that radio
service. The number quoted is a decline from the boom
years of the "cb craze", about 30 years ago. Despite the low cost
of cb equipment, the lack of licensing and rules enforcement, and
the widespread availability, the cb service has been in decline from
its peak for a couple of decades now - while the population considers
to increase.

[only amateur morsemen are truly representative of radio which,
through amateurism is the national transportation served]



Citizens band allocations in the 27 MHz region were created 47 years
ago, but the service goes back to 1948, when UHF allocations were
created by
FCC. The current GMRS and FRS allocations are the direct descendants
of those 1948 allocations.

That is simply mistaken, .

The electromagnetic spectrum does not exist in frequency unless
it has first been pioneered by amateurs, noted by the ARRL,
and remarked upon by K1ZZ in a QST editorial. FCC does not
count, physics do not count, the fact that the FCC did not
exist prior to 1934 does not count.

[the first mode in radio was telegraphy and that, in 1896, is
the bedrock upon which morsemen trace their radiotelegraphy
roots and morsemen are the only true representatives of
amateur radio in their service to the nation]


Yet in emergency situations, the amateur radio service continues to
perform public service.

[so it is written by morsemen who are the true representatives
of amateur radio in their service to the nation]



The previous statement is obviously incorrect, since none of the
above mentioned are free publications. It is obvious that "operating
income" includes all income available for the production of a
publication - advertising, subscriptions, etc.

You are simply mistaken,

[so it is written by the morsemen who are all accomplished
publishers as well as radio manufacturers and thus truly
representative of amateur radio in their service to the nation]



This may or may not be true. Simply increasing the number of
licenses may not result in a larger market for equipment or
publications, nor a more-favorable regulatory climate. The 27 MHz
cb example is not what amateur radio should emulate.

[cb is the scum, the vileness of the devil, spawn of satan
and the only true representatives of radio are the amateur
morsemen serving their nation]



Perhaps. It is important, however, to evaluate whether proposed
changes will actually bring growth, and also whether there will
be negative effects connected with the proposed changes that
will negate the positive effects of growth.

You are simply mistaken, .

[only morsemen can know for they represent the true being of
radio and the amateur service to their nation]



In the past 5 years, the number of US hams has decreased, not
increased. The total
number of Technicians and Technician Pluses is lower now than 5 years
ago.

You are simply mistaken, .

[only morsemen know the truth for they are truly representative
of amateur radio in their service to the nation]


What solution do you propose?

Morse code. The salvation of humankind, morse code is the only
answer to immortality, truth, justice, and the American Way.

From: "John Smith" on Tues 7 Jun 2005 13:13

Len:

Naaa, a bunch of toothless old farts wrote that, don't be fooled...
these are the same men who confuse a hobby license with a Phd... they
take themselves much too seriously and expect other too... now, you can
be a dern fool and pay attention to all that, or ignore it all and seek
truth...

"John Smith," ya gotta know da TERRITORY!

This place be da BLOG of the Mighty Macho Morsemen, serving
the nation through amateur radio!

First of all, only one in here apparently is "toothless," that
of the Cursing Tomb Sentinel who never shows any teeth in his
mighty photo portraits and "action" candids. [he of the
"seven hostile actions"]

Then we have the NO-Serving (except through morsemanship
which is their true representative of U.S. amateur radio)
who make jolly good laffs and pointy fingers at those of
us who have served our country in the military.

There are the apparently brain-damaged who are confused and
curse those of us who know the truth...because we have done
things not described by the official voice of radio, ARRL.

One of the greatest of the apparently brain-damaged was in
firm conviction of the ARRL Handbook as being "a standard
book on every [electronic] engineer's desk." He got very
upset when asked to prove that statement. Being a
"lecturer at the University of Hawaii" (instructor at a
junior college attached the university) he was unfamiliar
with engineering per se but was a champion of morsemanship
and once heard a ship "scream" through CW.

There have been many others, some no longer with us. They
all have variations on the common dreams of wish-fulfillment
and self-importance. They are a SERVICE TO THE NATION for
taking up the hobby of amateur radio, "proving it" by
pointing (heatedly) to the FCC's definition of "Amateur
Radio Service." Unfortunately they overlook the simple fact
that EVERY radio type and kind in Title 47 C.F.R. is called
a Service ("service" in Title 47 is a regulatory term).

They have their "academic certificates" in the form of FCC
amateur radio license forms (suitable for framing) and thus
are BETTER than PhDs. They are nearly all claiming they, as
amateurs, are BETTER than professionals. Of course they are
...in their minds. Some have passed a morse code test at
high rate and that is even GREATER than their "academic
achievement" license certificates. They are RADIOTELEGRAPHERS!
The nobelest achievement in their world. Never mind that
actual jobs of radiotelegraphy are akin to chicken having teeth,
they have FANGS of expertise and bite all who dare accost them
in this newsgroup. They are CHAMPIONS, they are HEROES,
they are a bit nuts with self-love, self-promotion, self-
righteousness that doesn't stop.

"The truth is out there" is more than a TV show catchphrase.
It is reality of the rest of the radio world. Few of these
mighty macho morsemen have the courage to find out...they
await their revelations in the pages of QST where they are
spoon-fed what a few in Newington think is what they ought
to know.

So, to coexist in this Morsemen's BLOG, one has to "agree"
and kiss their figurative asses, take their unflogging
cursing and denigrations. Morsemen RULE RADIO in this
little BLOG. Morsemen must be fed a steady emotional diet
of gratuitous (and unwarranted) praise for their mighty
efforts and skills. THEY know all. Like already.

Get the picture? :-)

I was gonna say that!!! (but, you did say it better!)

But glad you clarified, certainly is close to my take on the whole
thing--you think you might be the only one who has ever told them the
truth--of how it all looks in others eyes? If not, you suppose the
problem is that they didn't believe the first guy? grin

Warmest regards,
John
wrote in message
ups.com...
From: "John Smith" on Tues 7 Jun 2005 13:13

Len:

Naaa, a bunch of toothless old farts wrote that, don't be fooled...
these are the same men who confuse a hobby license with a Phd... they
take themselves much too seriously and expect other too... now, you
can
be a dern fool and pay attention to all that, or ignore it all and
seek
truth...

"John Smith," ya gotta know da TERRITORY!

This place be da BLOG of the Mighty Macho Morsemen, serving
the nation through amateur radio!

First of all, only one in here apparently is "toothless," that
of the Cursing Tomb Sentinel who never shows any teeth in his
mighty photo portraits and "action" candids. [he of the
"seven hostile actions"]

Then we have the NO-Serving (except through morsemanship
which is their true representative of U.S. amateur radio)
who make jolly good laffs and pointy fingers at those of
us who have served our country in the military.

There are the apparently brain-damaged who are confused and
curse those of us who know the truth...because we have done
things not described by the official voice of radio, ARRL.

One of the greatest of the apparently brain-damaged was in
firm conviction of the ARRL Handbook as being "a standard
book on every [electronic] engineer's desk." He got very
upset when asked to prove that statement. Being a
"lecturer at the University of Hawaii" (instructor at a
junior college attached the university) he was unfamiliar
with engineering per se but was a champion of morsemanship
and once heard a ship "scream" through CW.

There have been many others, some no longer with us. They
all have variations on the common dreams of wish-fulfillment
and self-importance. They are a SERVICE TO THE NATION for
taking up the hobby of amateur radio, "proving it" by
pointing (heatedly) to the FCC's definition of "Amateur
Radio Service." Unfortunately they overlook the simple fact
that EVERY radio type and kind in Title 47 C.F.R. is called
a Service ("service" in Title 47 is a regulatory term).

They have their "academic certificates" in the form of FCC
amateur radio license forms (suitable for framing) and thus
are BETTER than PhDs. They are nearly all claiming they, as
amateurs, are BETTER than professionals. Of course they are
...in their minds. Some have passed a morse code test at
high rate and that is even GREATER than their "academic
achievement" license certificates. They are RADIOTELEGRAPHERS!
The nobelest achievement in their world. Never mind that
actual jobs of radiotelegraphy are akin to chicken having teeth,
they have FANGS of expertise and bite all who dare accost them
in this newsgroup. They are CHAMPIONS, they are HEROES,
they are a bit nuts with self-love, self-promotion, self-
righteousness that doesn't stop.

"The truth is out there" is more than a TV show catchphrase.
It is reality of the rest of the radio world. Few of these
mighty macho morsemen have the courage to find out...they
await their revelations in the pages of QST where they are
spoon-fed what a few in Newington think is what they ought
to know.

So, to coexist in this Morsemen's BLOG, one has to "agree"
and kiss their figurative asses, take their unflogging
cursing and denigrations. Morsemen RULE RADIO in this
little BLOG. Morsemen must be fed a steady emotional diet
of gratuitous (and unwarranted) praise for their mighty
efforts and skills. THEY know all. Like already.

Get the picture? :-)

From: "John Smith" on Tues 7 Jun 2005 21:18

I was gonna say that!!! (but, you did say it better!)

Thank you...but it's only a summation of what has gone on in
here for years, said by others as well as I. :-)


But glad you clarified, certainly is close to my take on the whole
thing--you think you might be the only one who has ever told them the
truth--of how it all looks in others eyes? If not, you suppose the
problem is that they didn't believe the first guy? grin

Actually there were dozens in here since 1996 trying to
point out the TRUTH, but the die-hard morsemen would have
none of it, preferring their own wonderful fantasies. Most
simply got tired of wasting their time trying to argue
against those (sometimes irrational) "believers."

One of the redoubtable fanstasizers was Jim Kehler, KH2D,
on Guam. He went so far as to "found" the fake organization
known as "No SSB International" to counter the established
No Code International (NCI) organiztion. NSI had very good
web page design but was hampered by their "leader," Kehler,
possessed of a zealot's blunt axe of words. NSI no longer
exists as any effective group. NCI continues. NCI leaders
helped to bring about the revision of S25 for international
amateur radio standards at WRC-03...along with the IARU...
even though hampered by the resistance of ARRL at the time.
Kehler had some kind of illness and moved to the contiguous
USA a few years ago. He had a website of his own (may still
have) and kept digging and digging at those code-tested he
did not like...in rather not-nice terms such as "brain-dead
old farts." :-)

The international maritime world selected GMDSS as THE
distress-and-safety automatic calling system a few years
ago, abandoning the old, romantic stalwart 500 KHz distress
frequency with its "CW" only capability. The USCG has
stopped monitoring that 500 KHz frequency. Some in here
(notably W0EX in Missouri, probably SK now) tried to tell
all "it wouldn't work!" by repeatedly quoting some retired
mariner (who was oblivious to the fact that the international
maritime folks had already tested the system and found that
it does work!). The FCC has added GMDSS commercial licensing
class categories (a few years ago) in Title 47 C.F.R. and
COLEMs do the testing for those (rather simple) written
license tests.

The ICAO (International Civil Aviation Organization) has
abandoned "CW" necessity for long over-water flights and
air carrier navigator-radio personnel were "downsized"
(laid-off, given their pension monies, waved bye-bye).
ICAO switched to voice on HF for such tasks.

Maritimers on the shipping lanes now use SSB voice and
various TORs (Teleprinter Over Radio) on HF for long-distance
communications. More expeditious for them, less error-prone
than "CW." River and harbor communications switched to VHF
voice decades ago for water-borne radio communications.

Outside of some long-ago-installed automatic station
identifiers using preset ID beepers, the only users of "CW"
in the USA are the amateur radiotelegraphers. Members of
the ARS (Archaic Radiotelegraphy Society) do some remarkable
rationalization on "why" all MUST test for morsemanship to
gain HF privileges: "It is the SECOND-most popular mode;"
"it is needed so all can communicate with third-world hams;"
"it is a 'traditional' and 'basic' mode;" "they need to know
it so that all can communicate during extreme emergencies
(perhaps when space aliens invade the earth)." The old,
tired, trite "CW gets through when nothing else will" still
surfaces even though first coined in the 1930s. Put into
terms of reality, the morsemen had to test for it and
therefore all newcomers have to do it (the "jump through the
hoops" hazing syndrome)...nya, nya. :-)

A sub-group of the mighty macho morsemen are the ex-service-
members (military service that is) who demand a militaristic
structure of defined rank-status-privilege with the "best"
privileges naturally bestowed on those with the highest rank.
[they self-define themselves as "deserving" of it] All of
the military mighty macho morsemen are anal to a point of
near-insanity on strict, unbending legalities with implied
capital-offense punishment to be immediately applied to the
poor souls who look for change in regulations. They
"believe" all the usual political propaganda statements to
be (almost) words of God and gleefully pin on their "deserved"
medals for engaging in a hobby activity that requires federal
regulation (due to the nature of EM physics).

All that fuss and furor over a HOBBY activity! None may say
nay to the divine-right of ham rule by the mighty macho
morsemen! :-)

Yes.

Well, you cannot disguise the fact that the over 60 crowd just don't
have the energy or enthusiasm as the teenage to 30 crowd--or the fact
that these younger people are actively engaged in the research,
development and production phases of electronics. Why they may
effectively hang on limiting the hobby--this cannot not go on
indefinitely...

And, while it is true only those with a wet diaper can truly appreciate
change--change is in the wind... the next decade should provide a dip
in number of licenses which has never been seen before... this is only
the beginning...

Warmest regards,
John
wrote in message
ups.com...
From: "John Smith" on Tues 7 Jun 2005 21:18

I was gonna say that!!! (but, you did say it better!)

Thank you...but it's only a summation of what has gone on in
here for years, said by others as well as I. :-)


But glad you clarified, certainly is close to my take on the whole
thing--you think you might be the only one who has ever told them the
truth--of how it all looks in others eyes? If not, you suppose the
problem is that they didn't believe the first guy? grin

Actually there were dozens in here since 1996 trying to
point out the TRUTH, but the die-hard morsemen would have
none of it, preferring their own wonderful fantasies. Most
simply got tired of wasting their time trying to argue
against those (sometimes irrational) "believers."

One of the redoubtable fanstasizers was Jim Kehler, KH2D,
on Guam. He went so far as to "found" the fake organization
known as "No SSB International" to counter the established
No Code International (NCI) organiztion. NSI had very good
web page design but was hampered by their "leader," Kehler,
possessed of a zealot's blunt axe of words. NSI no longer
exists as any effective group. NCI continues. NCI leaders
helped to bring about the revision of S25 for international
amateur radio standards at WRC-03...along with the IARU...
even though hampered by the resistance of ARRL at the time.
Kehler had some kind of illness and moved to the contiguous
USA a few years ago. He had a website of his own (may still
have) and kept digging and digging at those code-tested he
did not like...in rather not-nice terms such as "brain-dead
old farts." :-)

The international maritime world selected GMDSS as THE
distress-and-safety automatic calling system a few years
ago, abandoning the old, romantic stalwart 500 KHz distress
frequency with its "CW" only capability. The USCG has
stopped monitoring that 500 KHz frequency. Some in here
(notably W0EX in Missouri, probably SK now) tried to tell
all "it wouldn't work!" by repeatedly quoting some retired
mariner (who was oblivious to the fact that the international
maritime folks had already tested the system and found that
it does work!). The FCC has added GMDSS commercial licensing
class categories (a few years ago) in Title 47 C.F.R. and
COLEMs do the testing for those (rather simple) written
license tests.

The ICAO (International Civil Aviation Organization) has
abandoned "CW" necessity for long over-water flights and
air carrier navigator-radio personnel were "downsized"
(laid-off, given their pension monies, waved bye-bye).
ICAO switched to voice on HF for such tasks.

Maritimers on the shipping lanes now use SSB voice and
various TORs (Teleprinter Over Radio) on HF for long-distance
communications. More expeditious for them, less error-prone
than "CW." River and harbor communications switched to VHF
voice decades ago for water-borne radio communications.

Outside of some long-ago-installed automatic station
identifiers using preset ID beepers, the only users of "CW"
in the USA are the amateur radiotelegraphers. Members of
the ARS (Archaic Radiotelegraphy Society) do some remarkable
rationalization on "why" all MUST test for morsemanship to
gain HF privileges: "It is the SECOND-most popular mode;"
"it is needed so all can communicate with third-world hams;"
"it is a 'traditional' and 'basic' mode;" "they need to know
it so that all can communicate during extreme emergencies
(perhaps when space aliens invade the earth)." The old,
tired, trite "CW gets through when nothing else will" still
surfaces even though first coined in the 1930s. Put into
terms of reality, the morsemen had to test for it and
therefore all newcomers have to do it (the "jump through the
hoops" hazing syndrome)...nya, nya. :-)

A sub-group of the mighty macho morsemen are the ex-service-
members (military service that is) who demand a militaristic
structure of defined rank-status-privilege with the "best"
privileges naturally bestowed on those with the highest rank.
[they self-define themselves as "deserving" of it] All of
the military mighty macho morsemen are anal to a point of
near-insanity on strict, unbending legalities with implied
capital-offense punishment to be immediately applied to the
poor souls who look for change in regulations. They
"believe" all the usual political propaganda statements to
be (almost) words of God and gleefully pin on their "deserved"
medals for engaging in a hobby activity that requires federal
regulation (due to the nature of EM physics).

All that fuss and furor over a HOBBY activity! None may say
nay to the divine-right of ham rule by the mighty macho
morsemen! :-)

Len:

A direct quote from Jim Haynie, "The ARRL president asserted that many
Amateur Extra class licensees couldn't pass today's Element 4
examination if they had to..."
Complete article at:
http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2004/05/22/1/?nc=1

Warmest regards,
John
wrote in message
ups.com...
From: "John Smith" on Tues 7 Jun 2005 21:18

I was gonna say that!!! (but, you did say it better!)

Thank you...but it's only a summation of what has gone on in
here for years, said by others as well as I. :-)


But glad you clarified, certainly is close to my take on the whole
thing--you think you might be the only one who has ever told them the
truth--of how it all looks in others eyes? If not, you suppose the
problem is that they didn't believe the first guy? grin

Actually there were dozens in here since 1996 trying to
point out the TRUTH, but the die-hard morsemen would have
none of it, preferring their own wonderful fantasies. Most
simply got tired of wasting their time trying to argue
against those (sometimes irrational) "believers."

One of the redoubtable fanstasizers was Jim Kehler, KH2D,
on Guam. He went so far as to "found" the fake organization
known as "No SSB International" to counter the established
No Code International (NCI) organiztion. NSI had very good
web page design but was hampered by their "leader," Kehler,
possessed of a zealot's blunt axe of words. NSI no longer
exists as any effective group. NCI continues. NCI leaders
helped to bring about the revision of S25 for international
amateur radio standards at WRC-03...along with the IARU...
even though hampered by the resistance of ARRL at the time.
Kehler had some kind of illness and moved to the contiguous
USA a few years ago. He had a website of his own (may still
have) and kept digging and digging at those code-tested he
did not like...in rather not-nice terms such as "brain-dead
old farts." :-)

The international maritime world selected GMDSS as THE
distress-and-safety automatic calling system a few years
ago, abandoning the old, romantic stalwart 500 KHz distress
frequency with its "CW" only capability. The USCG has
stopped monitoring that 500 KHz frequency. Some in here
(notably W0EX in Missouri, probably SK now) tried to tell
all "it wouldn't work!" by repeatedly quoting some retired
mariner (who was oblivious to the fact that the international
maritime folks had already tested the system and found that
it does work!). The FCC has added GMDSS commercial licensing
class categories (a few years ago) in Title 47 C.F.R. and
COLEMs do the testing for those (rather simple) written
license tests.

The ICAO (International Civil Aviation Organization) has
abandoned "CW" necessity for long over-water flights and
air carrier navigator-radio personnel were "downsized"
(laid-off, given their pension monies, waved bye-bye).
ICAO switched to voice on HF for such tasks.

Maritimers on the shipping lanes now use SSB voice and
various TORs (Teleprinter Over Radio) on HF for long-distance
communications. More expeditious for them, less error-prone
than "CW." River and harbor communications switched to VHF
voice decades ago for water-borne radio communications.

Outside of some long-ago-installed automatic station
identifiers using preset ID beepers, the only users of "CW"
in the USA are the amateur radiotelegraphers. Members of
the ARS (Archaic Radiotelegraphy Society) do some remarkable
rationalization on "why" all MUST test for morsemanship to
gain HF privileges: "It is the SECOND-most popular mode;"
"it is needed so all can communicate with third-world hams;"
"it is a 'traditional' and 'basic' mode;" "they need to know
it so that all can communicate during extreme emergencies
(perhaps when space aliens invade the earth)." The old,
tired, trite "CW gets through when nothing else will" still
surfaces even though first coined in the 1930s. Put into
terms of reality, the morsemen had to test for it and
therefore all newcomers have to do it (the "jump through the
hoops" hazing syndrome)...nya, nya. :-)

A sub-group of the mighty macho morsemen are the ex-service-
members (military service that is) who demand a militaristic
structure of defined rank-status-privilege with the "best"
privileges naturally bestowed on those with the highest rank.
[they self-define themselves as "deserving" of it] All of
the military mighty macho morsemen are anal to a point of
near-insanity on strict, unbending legalities with implied
capital-offense punishment to be immediately applied to the
poor souls who look for change in regulations. They
"believe" all the usual political propaganda statements to
be (almost) words of God and gleefully pin on their "deserved"
medals for engaging in a hobby activity that requires federal
regulation (due to the nature of EM physics).

All that fuss and furor over a HOBBY activity! None may say
nay to the divine-right of ham rule by the mighty macho
morsemen! :-)

wrote:
From: on Mon 6 Jun 2005 18:17

wrote:
From: "K0HB" on Mon 6 Jun 2005 03:14


The total number of amateur radio licensees as a percentage of the
US population is only one factor in the regulatory process. Other
factors include the number of *active* licensees, the way the

That's simply untrue, '

[FCC constantly polls all amateurs to see if they are *active*
and thus only the *active* amateurs count for anything by the
morsemen who are truly representative of amateur radio in their
service to the nation]

I didn't get any farther than this to see what yet anotehr moronic
anti-Amateur Radio rant this was.

Yet another validation of my claim that Leonard H. Anderson is a
chronic, pathological liar.

"I am only here to civilly debte the Morse Code TEST
issue."...Leonard H. Anderson.

Huge snip of obvious "I could be on HF right now but I'd rather
insult people" rants......

Morse code. The salvation of humankind, morse code is the only
answer to immortality, truth, justice, and the American Way.

No, but right now, it's the ony way to an HF-authorized Amatreur
Radio license in the United States, and is one of the simpilest, most
easily employed modes in Amateur Radio communication.

Steve, K4YZ

From: "K4YZ" on Jun 8, 5:14 am


I didn't get any farther than this to see what yet anotehr moronic
anti-Amateur Radio rant this was.

Yet another validation of my claim that Leonard H. Anderson is a
chronic, pathological liar.



...the sun sets on the Tomb of the Unknown Solder as a solitary
figure in a patch-adorned flight suit slowly paces out his lonely
path of anger, J-38 in one hand, bayonetted USMC soldering iron
in the other. Pre-recorded marine marches softly fill the air,
interspersed with dits and dahs of a few PCTA morsebirds not yet
extinct. The Tomb of the Unknown Solder is a lonely place, deep
in the valley of neuroses, anger, and frustration. The single
sentinel counts cadennce to himself, muttering "flux you, flux
you" between the slow steps. His fists are clenched, eager to do
bottle but only sipping a cup of unkindness. It is sad but the
sentinel at the Tomb of the Unknown Solder keeps going. He does
not know why and that is the tragedy. The sun slowly sets on the
Tomb of the Unknown Solder leaving only the red light of fire in
the eyes of the muttering sentinel. Those glow in the dark like
LED pilot lights. Hatred lives on in his twilight of despair.

Temper fry.