"N8KDV" wrote in message
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Matt wrote:
"Dwayne" wrote in message
.net...
In article ,

says...
You do need help George... Hey! Did you take Billy8156 and
pilotjoeturner
with you on your fishing trip?

Your the one that needs help. For gods sake let it rest and grow up a
bit.

Concur - have seen George posting quite a lot of helpful comments,
suggestions and advice for many people on this group. All I have seen
from
you is some pretty nasty personal attacks - yet to read anything from
you
that is of use to anyone on this group - apart from the hate george
people
(term used loosly).
Goodbye

I don't think anyone actually 'hates' George. However, it needs to be
pointed
out that George likes to post as different characters other than himself.
Such
as Billy 8156, pilotjoeturner, and perhaps others as yet undiscovered. He
does
it here, and also on the MilCom list.

I certainly do not claim to be a computer geek, but when looking at headers
they do not seem to support your comments that it is one and the same person
making the posts. For a start, there are two seperate ISP's plus google
(which could be either of the other two admittedly).
Personally I have seen nothing but helpful comments from George other than
when he has been hassled by others, and even then he has been very subdued
in his responses - which is better than I would have reacted.


Also, the excercise started when George made false statements, and put
down
those who were pointing folks to more complete up-to-date data, data that
was
not to be found on HIS website. And that tends to upset George, especially
when
one of those involved happens to be affiliated with Grove Enterprises.

George has 'issues'. Get over it.




--
Dwayne
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BC895/

Matt wrote:

"N8KDV" wrote in message
...
Matt wrote:
"Dwayne" wrote in message
.net...
In article ,

says...
You do need help George... Hey! Did you take Billy8156 and
pilotjoeturner
with you on your fishing trip?

Your the one that needs help. For gods sake let it rest and grow up a
bit.

Concur - have seen George posting quite a lot of helpful comments,
suggestions and advice for many people on this group. All I have seen
from
you is some pretty nasty personal attacks - yet to read anything from
you
that is of use to anyone on this group - apart from the hate george
people
(term used loosly).
Goodbye

I don't think anyone actually 'hates' George. However, it needs to be
pointed
out that George likes to post as different characters other than himself.
Such
as Billy 8156, pilotjoeturner, and perhaps others as yet undiscovered. He
does
it here, and also on the MilCom list.

I certainly do not claim to be a computer geek, but when looking at headers
they do not seem to support your comments that it is one and the same person
making the posts. For a start, there are two seperate ISP's plus google
(which could be either of the other two admittedly).

I think a careful search will show you that George developed the pilotjoeturner
nick (an AOL account) when dealing with Allan Stern, another individual that
George has 'issues' with, other than Grove Enterprises. Otherwise pilotjoe is a
noshow anywhere else, at least on Google.

He developed Billy8156 (yahoo.com) apparently to do some discreet inquiries
regarding a hobby shop where he (George) had worked, and also for making other
inquiries where he did not want it to be known that it was him.

It seems very odd that Billy and George are so closely tied together, originally
from PA, then moving to Florida, working at the same place, etc. But not so odd
when one realises that they are one and the same.

George claims he lives just down the street, but in at least in one Google
message, Billy claimed to live 50 miles away. It's just a very strange picture.
And when one sees the post from Billy8156 looking for George Fetter but in a way
touting some model aircraft stuff George was involved in that has the
Licensed4Fun stuff at the bottom one becomes suspicious. Why was Billy looking
for George, when he was already involved in Licensed4Fun.com and obviously knew
George, and according to George they worked together?

Shortly thereafter, George must have realised his mistake, and the Licensed4Fun
stuff at the bottom of Billy8156 posts disappears.

And according to George he already knew Billy and that they worked together,
etc. And even makes up the convenient excuse that Billy was using his 'puter.
That is interesting also, as they both have the same exact habit of hitting the
wrong keys on the keyboard, and in some messages they say the same things,
especially about Grove, almost word for word.

Since he has these (and probably other) characters made up, they are there to
help defend him and pat him on the back when required.

I've got a feeling that Billy8156 and pilotjoeturner will probably go into
retirement now, and be replaced by other FOG's (Friends Of George).

I've received a few emails from individuals indicating that they to in the past
have checked the IP addresses of Billy8156 and that they come up the same as
Georges. I've also seen at least one copy of an email from George with an
interesting 'excuse' as to why this was so. Rubbish!

At any rate, it's quite interesting.




Personally I have seen nothing but helpful comments from George other than
when he has been hassled by others, and even then he has been very subdued
in his responses - which is better than I would have reacted.

Also, the excercise started when George made false statements, and put
down
those who were pointing folks to more complete up-to-date data, data that
was
not to be found on HIS website. And that tends to upset George, especially
when
one of those involved happens to be affiliated with Grove Enterprises.

George has 'issues'. Get over it.




--
Dwayne
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BC895/

On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 09:36:19 -0400, N8KDV in rec.radio.scanner - :


Since he has these (and probably other) characters made up, they are there to
help defend him and pat him on the back when required.

I've got a feeling that Billy8156 and pilotjoeturner will probably go into
retirement now, and be replaced by other FOG's (Friends Of George).

I've received a few emails from individuals indicating that they to in the past
have checked the IP addresses of Billy8156 and that they come up the same as
Georges. I've also seen at least one copy of an email from George with an
interesting 'excuse' as to why this was so. Rubbish!

At any rate, it's quite interesting.


Sure is!
I'm going to like george. Some better stuff coming soon!

Matt wrote:
Personally I have seen nothing but helpful comments from George other than
when he has been hassled by others, and even then he has been very subdued
in his responses - which is better than I would have reacted.


Thanks for your kind comments. Its hard to not get emotional when
people attempt to perform character assassination. However as grown ups
do we look past those who feel threatened or have nothing better to do.

Yes, Bill and I have known each other, and we live close to each other
and have worked for the same companies in the past. We also share some
of the same hobbies and have worked on business dealings together as
well. As far as Pilot Joe goes I don't know him other than he is new to
the area.

I now just forward Steve Lare's offtop and flame provoking comments to
as his recent 20+ posts are in clear violation of
the Supernews User Agreement. Each and every flame from him has been
forwarded and every new one will be as well. If anyone else is sick
and tired of him making endless and off topic posts you can report him
to as that is who is newsgroup account is with.

There are two ways to keep the newsgroups free of SPAM and off topic
items and that is 1) Report the offenders to their newsgroup provider
which is avilable in the headers. 2) Do not respond to off topic of
SPAM posts.

Oh, one last thing, as most people know I'm not affraid to speak out
about a product or company of which I do not like. I've done it before
and will do it when ever I see/find an item which I like or don't like.
I don't need to create fake accounts to hide behind when I say I don't
like product 'X', this is clear from my many posting both pro and con
regarding various products and companies I've dealt with. I'm not
affraid to speak out.

Thanks for your support
George
http://www.MilAirComms.com

GeorgeF wrote:

Matt wrote:
Personally I have seen nothing but helpful comments from George other than
when he has been hassled by others, and even then he has been very subdued
in his responses - which is better than I would have reacted.

Thanks for your kind comments. Its hard to not get emotional when
people attempt to perform character assassination. However as grown ups
do we look past those who feel threatened or have nothing better to do.

Yes, Bill and I have known each other, and we live close to each other
and have worked for the same companies in the past. We also share some
of the same hobbies and have worked on business dealings together as
well. As far as Pilot Joe goes I don't know him other than he is new to
the area.

I now just forward Steve Lare's offtop and flame provoking comments to
as his recent 20+ posts are in clear violation of
the Supernews User Agreement. Each and every flame from him has been
forwarded and every new one will be as well. If anyone else is sick
and tired of him making endless and off topic posts you can report him
to as that is who is newsgroup account is with.

There are two ways to keep the newsgroups free of SPAM and off topic
items and that is 1) Report the offenders to their newsgroup provider
which is avilable in the headers. 2) Do not respond to off topic of
SPAM posts.

Oh, one last thing, as most people know I'm not affraid to speak out
about a product or company of which I do not like. I've done it before
and will do it when ever I see/find an item which I like or don't like.
I don't need to create fake accounts to hide behind when I say I don't
like product 'X', this is clear from my many posting both pro and con
regarding various products and companies I've dealt with. I'm not
affraid to speak out.

Thanks for your support
George
http://www.MilAirComms.com

More idle threats from GeorgeF.

Report away George, your so-called spam is my simply reporting the truth. And I
think you'll find that folks are not removed for speaking the truth.

Speaking of the truth George, what became of your threat to remove your website?
I did say 'Yes' to your request, how about a little follow through?

GeorgeF wrote:

Matt wrote:
Personally I have seen nothing but helpful comments from George other than
when he has been hassled by others, and even then he has been very subdued
in his responses - which is better than I would have reacted.

Thanks for your kind comments. Its hard to not get emotional when
people attempt to perform character assassination. However as grown ups
do we look past those who feel threatened or have nothing better to do.

Yes, Bill and I have known each other, and we live close to each other
and have worked for the same companies in the past. We also share some
of the same hobbies and have worked on business dealings together as
well. As far as Pilot Joe goes I don't know him other than he is new to
the area.

He sure seems to know you George, he knows you are a pilot. And yes, he's 'new
to the area', you created him on or about May 31, 2003 so you could make a query
here regarding Allan Stern. LMAO It's only a simple Google search away!

You are sure one heck of a funny guy George.



I now just forward Steve Lare's offtop and flame provoking comments to
as his recent 20+ posts are in clear violation of
the Supernews User Agreement. Each and every flame from him has been
forwarded and every new one will be as well. If anyone else is sick
and tired of him making endless and off topic posts you can report him
to as that is who is newsgroup account is with.

There are two ways to keep the newsgroups free of SPAM and off topic
items and that is 1) Report the offenders to their newsgroup provider
which is avilable in the headers. 2) Do not respond to off topic of
SPAM posts.

Oh, one last thing, as most people know I'm not affraid to speak out
about a product or company of which I do not like. I've done it before
and will do it when ever I see/find an item which I like or don't like.
I don't need to create fake accounts to hide behind when I say I don't
like product 'X', this is clear from my many posting both pro and con
regarding various products and companies I've dealt with. I'm not
affraid to speak out.

Thanks for your support
George
http://www.MilAirComms.com

GeorgeF wrote:

Matt wrote:
Personally I have seen nothing but helpful comments from George other than
when he has been hassled by others, and even then he has been very subdued
in his responses - which is better than I would have reacted.

Thanks for your kind comments. Its hard to not get emotional when
people attempt to perform character assassination. However as grown ups
do we look past those who feel threatened or have nothing better to do.

Yes, Bill and I have known each other, and we live close to each other
and have worked for the same companies in the past. We also share some
of the same hobbies and have worked on business dealings together as
well.

As far as Pilot Joe goes I don't know him other than he is new to
the area.

You don't know him? Here is his very first post:

From: Pilotjoeturner )
Subject: Who is this Allan Stern guy?
Newsgroups: rec.radio.scanner
Date: 2003-05-31 12:46:33 PST

I see this name all over this group but never heard of him till now. Just got
started into scanning and have received great help from George.

Who is the Allan Stern charactor and what's his claim to radio fame
- - - - - - -

That's the guy's very first post here. LOL, he's seen Allan Stern all over the
newsgroup, but never heard of him till now? What a hoot George.

And he's received so much great help from you. And yet you don't know him? I'm
sure he got it all from your website. Never emailed you, never ever posed a
question to the group other than to inquire about Allan Stern? LMAO George.

As I said, YOU created pilotjoeturner.



I now just forward Steve Lare's offtop and flame provoking comments to
as his recent 20+ posts are in clear violation of
the Supernews User Agreement. Each and every flame from him has been
forwarded and every new one will be as well. If anyone else is sick
and tired of him making endless and off topic posts you can report him
to as that is who is newsgroup account is with.

There are two ways to keep the newsgroups free of SPAM and off topic
items and that is 1) Report the offenders to their newsgroup provider
which is avilable in the headers. 2) Do not respond to off topic of
SPAM posts.

Oh, one last thing, as most people know I'm not affraid to speak out
about a product or company of which I do not like. I've done it before
and will do it when ever I see/find an item which I like or don't like.
I don't need to create fake accounts to hide behind when I say I don't
like product 'X', this is clear from my many posting both pro and con
regarding various products and companies I've dealt with. I'm not
affraid to speak out.

Thanks for your support
George
http://www.MilAirComms.com

N8KDV wrote:

GeorgeF wrote:


Matt wrote:

Personally I have seen nothing but helpful comments from George other than
when he has been hassled by others, and even then he has been very subdued
in his responses - which is better than I would have reacted.

Thanks for your kind comments. Its hard to not get emotional when
people attempt to perform character assassination. However as grown ups
do we look past those who feel threatened or have nothing better to do.

Yes, Bill and I have known each other, and we live close to each other
and have worked for the same companies in the past. We also share some
of the same hobbies and have worked on business dealings together as
well.


As far as Pilot Joe goes I don't know him other than he is new to
the area.

Duh, he used my website and emailed some questions, I don't know him
personally.

and I really should have to answer such a dumb assed questions. You're
whole tread is offtopic and SPAM.

George
http://www.MilAirComms.com

GeorgeF wrote:

N8KDV wrote:

GeorgeF wrote:


Matt wrote:

Personally I have seen nothing but helpful comments from George other than
when he has been hassled by others, and even then he has been very subdued
in his responses - which is better than I would have reacted.

Thanks for your kind comments. Its hard to not get emotional when
people attempt to perform character assassination. However as grown ups
do we look past those who feel threatened or have nothing better to do.

Yes, Bill and I have known each other, and we live close to each other
and have worked for the same companies in the past. We also share some
of the same hobbies and have worked on business dealings together as
well.


As far as Pilot Joe goes I don't know him other than he is new to
the area.

Duh, he used my website and emailed some questions, I don't know him
personally.

and I really should have to answer such a dumb assed questions.

I agree, you should have to answer them. LMAO

You're
whole tread is offtopic and SPAM.

The use of 'You're' in this sentence comfirms for me that you are probably Dwayne
also... LMAO

I'll say it again George, you should quit while you are ahead.

You're really getting worked up since the truth has been presented.



George
http://www.MilAirComms.com

GeorgeF wrote:

N8KDV wrote:

GeorgeF wrote:


Matt wrote:

Personally I have seen nothing but helpful comments from George other than
when he has been hassled by others, and even then he has been very subdued
in his responses - which is better than I would have reacted.

Thanks for your kind comments. Its hard to not get emotional when
people attempt to perform character assassination. However as grown ups
do we look past those who feel threatened or have nothing better to do.

Yes, Bill and I have known each other, and we live close to each other
and have worked for the same companies in the past. We also share some
of the same hobbies and have worked on business dealings together as
well.


As far as Pilot Joe goes I don't know him other than he is new to
the area.

Duh, he used my website and emailed some questions, I don't know him
personally.

Sure George. You created pilotjoeturner on or about May 31, 2003 to stir up
things with Allan Stern. LMAO



and I really should have to answer such a dumb assed questions. You're
whole tread is offtopic and SPAM.

George
http://www.MilAirComms.com