"Why the drop outs?
 

"A Brown" wrote in message
...

"Scooter" wrote:


I agree with Telamon HD technonogy sucks! Not similar, much like the way
Am
stereo was mismanged and look what happend.. it died.

It's different.....

The FCC refused to pick an AM stereo standard...therefore there were
competing and incompatible systems on the air. ANd manufacturers had to
choose which format to create radios for it. The "market chooses"
approach took too long, and when a system became the standard, there was
no music left on AM.

In this case there is ONE standard! And everybody is on board with it!

Car manufacturers don't have to pick a standard, stations dont have to
pick a standard, listeners don't have to pick a standard.


Listeners, by and large, have chosen their preferred standard: ordinary
analog, which they can already receive without replacing all their existing
radios (well, much of the time anyway.. since IBOC interferes with reception
of adjacent, second adjacent, and even in some cases, co-channel reception.

"Why the drop outs?
 

I agree with Telamon HD technonogy sucks! Not similar, much like the way
Am
stereo was mismanged and look what happend.. it died.

It's different.....

The FCC refused to pick an AM stereo standard...therefore there were
competing and incompatible systems on the air. ANd manufacturers had to
choose which format to create radios for it. The "market chooses"
approach took too long, and when a system became the standard, there was
no music left on AM.

In this case there is ONE standard! And everybody is on board with it!

Car manufacturers don't have to pick a standard, stations dont have to
pick a standard, listeners don't have to pick a standard.


Listeners, by and large, have chosen their preferred standard: ordinary
analog...

Listeners have not made any conscious choice. Most of them don't even know
what HD radio is...

which they can already receive without replacing all their existing radios

But those radio's don't/won't last forever....what will they be replaced
with? What will be in the cars they will buy in 2-3-4 or 5 years from now?

In the past many were content with AM radios. When they replaced them, they
wanted newer technology (FM).

Now you can't even buy a radio without FM, right?

(well, much of the time anyway.. since IBOC interferes with reception of
adjacent, second adjacent, and even in some cases, co-channel reception.

IBOc doesn't "interfere" with anything you really want to listen to.

If there is a co-chanel station you want to hear, you are probably not in
the priomary listening zone...as stations would not be placed that close to
each other in the same area.

"Why the drop outs?
 

On May 5, 8:06*pm, "A Brown" wrote:
I agree with Telamon HD technonogy sucks! Not similar, much like the way
Am
stereo was mismanged and look what happend.. it died.

It's different.....

The FCC refused to pick an AM stereo standard...therefore there were
competing and incompatible systems on the air. *ANd manufacturers had to
choose which format to create radios for it. *The "market chooses"
approach took too long, and when a system became the standard, there was
no music left on AM.

In this case there is ONE standard! *And everybody is on board with it!

Car manufacturers don't have to pick a standard, stations dont have to
pick a standard, listeners don't have to pick a standard.

Listeners, by and large, have chosen their preferred standard: ordinary
analog...

Listeners have not made any conscious choice. *Most of them don't even know
what HD radio is...

which they can already receive without replacing all their existing radios

But those radio's don't/won't last forever....what will they be replaced
with? *What will be in the cars they will buy in 2-3-4 or 5 years from now?

In the past many were content with AM radios. *When they replaced them, they
wanted newer technology (FM).

Now you can't even buy a radio without FM, right?

(well, much of the time anyway.. since IBOC interferes with reception of
adjacent, second adjacent, and even in some cases, co-channel reception.

IBOc doesn't "interfere" with anything you really want to listen to.

If there is a co-chanel station you want to hear, you are probably not in
the priomary listening zone...as stations would not be placed that close to
each other in the same area.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

A Brown - Wait a day or two and someone will come along
and call you an IBCO Shill. ~ RHF

"Why the drop outs?
 

"A Brown" wrote in message
t...

(well, much of the time anyway.. since IBOC interferes with reception of
adjacent, second adjacent, and even in some cases, co-channel reception.

IBOc doesn't "interfere" with anything you really want to listen to.

If there is a co-chanel station you want to hear, you are probably not in
the priomary listening zone...as stations would not be placed that close
to each other in the same area.

Please don't try to tell ME or anyone else what we DON'T want to hear. There
are millions of people across the country that do not live in major metro
areas, and don't want to listen to their local radio. And you didn't even
address adjacent channel and second adjacent interference, which HAS been
proved many times over. Before IBOC, there were two co-owned stations, one
in Seattle on 97.3, one in Portland on 97.1. I could listen to the same
programming (not something I care about in most cases, but in this case I
did) all the way from Portland to Seattle, and only need to click the radio
up one position at some point around Longview/Kelso. Now, anywhere in that
middle area, it's nearly impossible to listen to EITHER signal. I know many
people in Longview/Kelso. Most of those I know do not listen to local radio.
They listen to Portland radio (and watch Portland television). At least
they did until several of the stations started running IBOC, now they're a
captive audience to local stations.. those that didn't just turn off their
radios completely and listen to CD's and MP3's.

It's supposed to be a free country. I for one, and there are a great many
others, don't like being told what to listen to.

"Why the drop outs?
 

Brenda Ann wrote:

"A Brown" wrote in message
t...

(well, much of the time anyway.. since IBOC interferes with reception of
adjacent, second adjacent, and even in some cases, co-channel reception.

IBOc doesn't "interfere" with anything you really want to listen to.

If there is a co-chanel station you want to hear, you are probably not in
the priomary listening zone...as stations would not be placed that close
to each other in the same area.

Please don't try to tell ME or anyone else what we DON'T want to hear. There
are millions of people across the country that do not live in major metro
areas, and don't want to listen to their local radio. And you didn't even
address adjacent channel and second adjacent interference, which HAS been
proved many times over. Before IBOC, there were two co-owned stations, one
in Seattle on 97.3, one in Portland on 97.1. I could listen to the same
programming (not something I care about in most cases, but in this case I
did) all the way from Portland to Seattle, and only need to click the radio
up one position at some point around Longview/Kelso. Now, anywhere in that
middle area, it's nearly impossible to listen to EITHER signal. I know many
people in Longview/Kelso. Most of those I know do not listen to local radio.
They listen to Portland radio (and watch Portland television). At least
they did until several of the stations started running IBOC, now they're a
captive audience to local stations.. those that didn't just turn off their
radios completely and listen to CD's and MP3's.

It's supposed to be a free country. I for one, and there are a great many
others, don't like being told what to listen to.

'Eduardo' will be around shortly to straighten your thinking out after he
recovers from the Cinco de Mayo festivities.

"Why the drop outs?
 

In article , A Brown
wrote:

I agree with Telamon HD technonogy sucks! Not similar, much like the way
Am
stereo was mismanged and look what happend.. it died.

It's different.....

The FCC refused to pick an AM stereo standard...therefore there were
competing and incompatible systems on the air. ANd manufacturers had to
choose which format to create radios for it. The "market chooses"
approach took too long, and when a system became the standard, there was
no music left on AM.

In this case there is ONE standard! And everybody is on board with it!

Car manufacturers don't have to pick a standard, stations dont have to
pick a standard, listeners don't have to pick a standard.


Listeners, by and large, have chosen their preferred standard: ordinary
analog...

Listeners have not made any conscious choice. Most of them don't even know
what HD radio is...

which they can already receive without replacing all their existing radios

But those radio's don't/won't last forever....what will they be replaced
with? What will be in the cars they will buy in 2-3-4 or 5 years from now?

In the past many were content with AM radios. When they replaced them, they
wanted newer technology (FM).

Now you can't even buy a radio without FM, right?

(well, much of the time anyway.. since IBOC interferes with reception of
adjacent, second adjacent, and even in some cases, co-channel reception.

IBOc doesn't "interfere" with anything you really want to listen to.

If there is a co-chanel station you want to hear, you are probably not in
the priomary listening zone...as stations would not be placed that close to
each other in the same area.



Why in the bloody h*ll are you posting to r.r.s.? You obviously have no
appreciation of DX, be it SWL or MW. (Sorry to be harsh, but my mind's
ear hears Bugs saying, "Ehhhh, what a Maroon!")

-j

"Why the drop outs?
 

(well, much of the time anyway.. since IBOC interferes with reception of
adjacent, second adjacent, and even in some cases, co-channel reception.

IBOc doesn't "interfere" with anything you really want to listen to.

If there is a co-chanel station you want to hear, you are probably not in
the priomary listening zone...as stations would not be placed that close
to each other in the same area.

Please don't try to tell ME or anyone else what we DON'T want to hear.

I'm not trying to tell you what you WANT to hear. I'm telling you what you
should expect to be able to hear.

There are millions of people across the country that do not live in major
metro areas, and don't want to listen to their local radio.

Well radio station's signals don't cover the earth...they only cover limited
areas. If you do not live in an area that is covered by a station...then
you're out of luck.

And you didn't even address adjacent channel and second adjacent
interference,

I think I have....When Is aid this:

If there is a co-chanel station you want to hear, you are probably not in
the priomary listening zone...as stations would not be placed that close
to each other in the same area.


efore IBOC, there were two co-owned stations, one in Seattle on 97.3, one
in Portland on 97.1. I could listen to the same programming (not something
I care about in most cases, but in this case I did) all the way from
Portland to Seattle, and only need to click the radio up one position at
some point around Longview/Kelso. Now, anywhere in that middle area, it's
nearly impossible to listen to EITHER signal.

Well, this is an isolated example. The industry was not set up to protect
stations broadcasting on two different frequecies. And in these cases, it
is rare that a station would broadcawst on two adjacent channels. (97.1 &
97.3)

But, what you are saying is that because of this one situation in the
Portland/Seattle area....all technology should stop? So you can listen to
one station in your car?

I know many people in Longview/Kelso. Most of those I know do not listen
to local radio. They listen to Portland radio (and watch Portland
television).

The stations in Portland are licensed to PORTLAND...and that is their city
of service.

IBOC has given the people of Portland a better listening experience and
potential.

The people of Portland (A major city) should be deprived of the newer
technology so the people in Longview/Kelso area can hear their distant
stations?

At least they did until several of the stations started running IBOC, now
they're a captive audience to local stations..

You mean the stations that were intended to serve your area?

It's supposed to be a free country. I for one, and there are a great many
others, don't like being told what to listen to.

It's also a free country where stations are free to incorperate newer
technologies.

"Why the drop outs?
 

If there is a co-chanel station you want to hear, you are probably not in
the priomary listening zone...as stations would not be placed that close
to
each other in the same area.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

A Brown - Wait a day or two and someone will come along
and call you an IBCO Shill. ~ RHF

yes, and I MUST be on the board of iBiquity, etc.

At least Brenda Ann posted why she isn't a fan of IBOC. The rest seem to be
on some kind of tirade without any foundation.

"Why the drop outs?
 

On May 6, 10:20�pm, "A Brown" wrote:
(well, much of the time anyway.. since IBOC interferes with reception of
adjacent, second adjacent, and even in some cases, co-channel reception.

"Why the drop outs?
 

wrote in message
...
On May 6, 10:20?pm, "A Brown" wrote:
(well, much of the time anyway.. since IBOC interferes with reception
of
adjacent, second adjacent, and even in some cases, co-channel
reception.

IBOc doesn't "interfere" with anything you really want to listen to.

If there is a co-chanel station you want to hear, you are probably not
in
the priomary listening zone...as stations would not be placed that
close
to each other in the same area.

Please don't try to tell ME or anyone else what we DON'T want to hear.

I'm not trying to tell you what you WANT to hear. ?I'm telling you what
you
should expect to be able to hear.

There are millions of people across the country that do not live in
major
metro areas, and don't want to listen to their local radio.

Well radio station's signals don't cover the earth...they only cover
limited
areas. ?If you do not live in an area that is covered by a station...then
you're out of luck.

And you didn't even address adjacent channel and second adjacent
interference,

I think I have....When Is aid this:

If there is a co-chanel station you want to hear, you are probably not
in
the priomary listening zone...as stations would not be placed that
close
to each other in the same area.
efore IBOC, there were two co-owned stations, one in Seattle on 97.3,
one
in Portland on 97.1. I could listen to the same programming (not
something
I care about in most cases, but in this case I did) all the way from
Portland to Seattle, and only need to click the radio up one position at
some point around Longview/Kelso. Now, anywhere in that middle area,
it's
nearly impossible to listen to EITHER signal.

Well, this is an isolated example. ?The industry was not set up to protect
stations broadcasting on two different frequecies. ?And in these cases, it
is rare that a station would broadcawst on two adjacent channels. ?(97.1 &
97.3)

But, what you are saying is that because of this one situation in the
Portland/Seattle area....all technology should stop? ?So you can listen to
one station in your car?

I know many people in Longview/Kelso. Most of those I know do not listen
to local radio. They listen to Portland radio (and watch Portland
television).

The stations in Portland are licensed to PORTLAND...and that is their city
of service.

IBOC has given the people of Portland a better listening experience and
potential.

The people of Portland (A major city) should be deprived of the newer
technology so the people in Longview/Kelso area can hear their distant
stations?

At least they did until several of the stations started running IBOC,
now
they're a captive audience to local stations..

You mean the stations that were intended to serve your area?

It's supposed to be a free country. ?I for one, and there are a great
many
others, don't like being told what to listen to.

It's also a free country where stations are free to incorperate newer
technologies.

You are obviously associated with HD Radio in some capacity

Oh, here we go....Anyone who looks at the subject without the "HD Radio must
Die" attitude has to be accused of working for iBiquity, eh?

Its a new technology...just like Color TV, Stereo, RDS, etc.

Deal with it.

HD Radio is a farce

HD radio is a new technology that offers many new features to typical
broadcast radio.

You or I won't decide it's fate. Consumers, manufacturers and broadcasters
will.

Give it a rest