"Why the drop outs?
 

In article ,
"A Brown" wrote:


I agree with Telamon HD technonogy sucks! Not similar, much like the way
Am
stereo was mismanged and look what happend.. it died.

It's different.....

The FCC refused to pick an AM stereo standard...therefore there were
competing and incompatible systems on the air. ANd manufacturers had to
choose which format to create radios for it. The "market chooses"
approach took too long, and when a system became the standard, there was
no music left on AM.

In this case there is ONE standard! And everybody is on board with it!

Car manufacturers don't have to pick a standard, stations dont have to
pick a standard, listeners don't have to pick a standard.


Listeners, by and large, have chosen their preferred standard: ordinary
analog...

Listeners have not made any conscious choice. Most of them don't even know
what HD radio is...

I have and so have others.

HD radio, tune in, turn on, and drop out. Ha ha ha.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

"Why the drop outs?
 

Telamon wrote:

HD radio, tune in, turn on, and drop out. Ha ha ha.


Sounds like 'Lost Signal Detection' abuse to me.


mike leary II

"Why the drop outs?
 

On May 6, 8:14*pm, Telamon
wrote:
In article ,
*"A Brown" wrote:







I agree with Telamon HD technonogy sucks! Not similar, much like the way
Am
stereo was mismanged and look what happend.. it died.

It's different.....

The FCC refused to pick an AM stereo standard...therefore there were
competing and incompatible systems on the air. *ANd manufacturers had to
choose which format to create radios for it. *The "market chooses"
approach took too long, and when a system became the standard, there was
no music left on AM.

In this case there is ONE standard! *And everybody is on board with it!

Car manufacturers don't have to pick a standard, stations dont have to
pick a standard, listeners don't have to pick a standard.

Listeners, by and large, have chosen their preferred standard: ordinary
analog...

Listeners have not made any conscious choice. *Most of them don't even know
what HD radio is...

I have and so have others.

- HD radio, tune in, turn on, and drop out. Ha ha ha.
-
- --
- Telamon
- Ventura, California
-

Teli - Almost read like a 'david' post. ~ RHF

"Why the drop outs?
 

In article ,
"A Brown" wrote:


wrote in message
...
On May 6, 10:20?pm, "A Brown" wrote:
(well, much of the time anyway.. since IBOC interferes with reception
of
adjacent, second adjacent, and even in some cases, co-channel
reception.

IBOc doesn't "interfere" with anything you really want to listen to.

If there is a co-chanel station you want to hear, you are probably not
in
the priomary listening zone...as stations would not be placed that
close
to each other in the same area.

Please don't try to tell ME or anyone else what we DON'T want to hear.

I'm not trying to tell you what you WANT to hear. ?I'm telling you what
you
should expect to be able to hear.

There are millions of people across the country that do not live in
major
metro areas, and don't want to listen to their local radio.

Well radio station's signals don't cover the earth...they only cover
limited
areas. ?If you do not live in an area that is covered by a station...then
you're out of luck.

And you didn't even address adjacent channel and second adjacent
interference,

I think I have....When Is aid this:

If there is a co-chanel station you want to hear, you are probably not
in
the priomary listening zone...as stations would not be placed that
close
to each other in the same area.
efore IBOC, there were two co-owned stations, one in Seattle on 97.3,
one
in Portland on 97.1. I could listen to the same programming (not
something
I care about in most cases, but in this case I did) all the way from
Portland to Seattle, and only need to click the radio up one position at
some point around Longview/Kelso. Now, anywhere in that middle area,
it's
nearly impossible to listen to EITHER signal.

Well, this is an isolated example. ?The industry was not set up to protect
stations broadcasting on two different frequecies. ?And in these cases, it
is rare that a station would broadcawst on two adjacent channels. ?(97.1 &
97.3)

But, what you are saying is that because of this one situation in the
Portland/Seattle area....all technology should stop? ?So you can listen to
one station in your car?

I know many people in Longview/Kelso. Most of those I know do not listen
to local radio. They listen to Portland radio (and watch Portland
television).

The stations in Portland are licensed to PORTLAND...and that is their city
of service.

IBOC has given the people of Portland a better listening experience and
potential.

The people of Portland (A major city) should be deprived of the newer
technology so the people in Longview/Kelso area can hear their distant
stations?

At least they did until several of the stations started running IBOC,
now
they're a captive audience to local stations..

You mean the stations that were intended to serve your area?

It's supposed to be a free country. ?I for one, and there are a great
many
others, don't like being told what to listen to.

It's also a free country where stations are free to incorperate newer
technologies.

You are obviously associated with HD Radio in some capacity

Oh, here we go....Anyone who looks at the subject without the "HD Radio must
Die" attitude has to be accused of working for iBiquity, eh?

Its a new technology...just like Color TV, Stereo, RDS, etc.

SNIP

"just like"? Heck no, that stuff works.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

"Why the drop outs?
 

Its a new technology...just like Color TV, Stereo, RDS, etc.

SNIP

"just like"? Heck no, that stuff works.


My HD radio is working fine!

It must be you.

"Why the drop outs?
 

In article ,
"Radio Ron" wrote:

Its a new technology...just like Color TV, Stereo, RDS, etc.

SNIP

"just like"? Heck no, that stuff works.


My HD radio is working fine!

It must be you.

You must be nuts.

You meant to say HD is working like crap. That I could believe.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

"Why the drop outs?
 

On May 6, 11:12�pm, "A Brown" wrote:
wrote in message

...
On May 6, 10:20?pm, "A Brown" wrote:





(well, much of the time anyway.. since IBOC interferes with reception
of
adjacent, second adjacent, and even in some cases, co-channel
reception.

IBOc doesn't "interfere" with anything you really want to listen to.

If there is a co-chanel station you want to hear, you are probably not
in
the priomary listening zone...as stations would not be placed that
close
to each other in the same area.

Please don't try to tell ME or anyone else what we DON'T want to hear.

I'm not trying to tell you what you WANT to hear. ?I'm telling you what
you
should expect to be able to hear.

There are millions of people across the country that do not live in
major
metro areas, and don't want to listen to their local radio.

Well radio station's signals don't cover the earth...they only cover
limited
areas. ?If you do not live in an area that is covered by a station...then
you're out of luck.

And you didn't even address adjacent channel and second adjacent
interference,

I think I have....When Is aid this:

If there is a co-chanel station you want to hear, you are probably not
in
the priomary listening zone...as stations would not be placed that
close
to each other in the same area.
efore IBOC, there were two co-owned stations, one in Seattle on 97.3,
one
in Portland on 97.1. I could listen to the same programming (not
something
I care about in most cases, but in this case I did) all the way from
Portland to Seattle, and only need to click the radio up one position at
some point around Longview/Kelso. Now, anywhere in that middle area,
it's
nearly impossible to listen to EITHER signal.

Well, this is an isolated example. ?The industry was not set up to protect
stations broadcasting on two different frequecies. ?And in these cases, it
is rare that a station would broadcawst on two adjacent channels. ?(97.1 &
97.3)

But, what you are saying is that because of this one situation in the
Portland/Seattle area....all technology should stop? ?So you can listen to
one station in your car?

I know many people in Longview/Kelso. Most of those I know do not listen
to local radio. They listen to Portland radio (and watch Portland
television).

The stations in Portland are licensed to PORTLAND...and that is their city
of service.

IBOC has given the people of Portland a better listening experience and
potential.

The people of Portland (A major city) should be deprived of the newer
technology so the people in Longview/Kelso area can hear their distant
stations?

At least they did until several of the stations started running IBOC,
now
they're a captive audience to local stations..

You mean the stations that were intended to serve your area?

It's supposed to be a free country. ?I for one, and there are a great
many
others, don't like being told what to listen to.

It's also a free country where stations are free to incorperate newer
technologies.
You are obviously associated withHD Radioin some capacity

Oh, here we go....Anyone who looks at the subject without the "HD Radiomust
Die" attitude has to be accused of working for iBiquity, eh?

Its a new technology...just like Color TV, Stereo, RDS, etc.

Deal with it.

HD Radiois a farce

HD radiois a new technology that offers many new features to typical
broadcast radio.

You or I won't decide it's fate. �Consumers, manufacturers and broadcasters
will.

Give it a rest- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Deal with it - oh, I heard that a thousand times from IBOC-shills! HD/
IBOC will be the downfall of the broadcast indusrt. Conversions to FM-
HD has jsut about stalled, and definately stalled with AM-HD - LOL!

"Why the drop outs?
 

On May 7, 1:10*am, "Radio Ron" wrote:
Its a new technology...just like Color TV, Stereo, RDS, etc.

SNIP

"just like"? Heck no, that stuff works.

MyHD radiois working fine!

It must be you.

“Is HD Radio Toast?”

“There are serious issues of coverage. Early adopters who bought HD
radios report serious drop-outs, poor coverage, and interference. The
engineers of Ibiquity may argue otherwise and defend the system, but
the industry has a serious PR problem with the very people we need to
get the word out on HD... In other words, everything you can find on
the regular FM dial... The word has already gotten out about HD Radio.
People who have already bought an HD Radio are telling others of their
experience (mostly bad) and no amount of marketing will reverse this.”

http://www.fmqb.com/article.asp?id=487772

"IBOC TECHNOLOGY: An Assessment of Technical & Operational Issues in
the Canadian FM Radio Environment"

"For a variety of reasons relating to the time requirements for
digital signal processing, it takes 8-10 seconds for the digital audio
signals to be heard when an HD Radio receiver is first tuned to a
transmission. Likewise, it can take equally long to restore digital
quality when the signal fails and then returns again. A secondary
consequence of this processing delay is that programming fed to the
analog FM transmitter must be delayed by 8-10 seconds whenever the
blending feature is being utilized. This ensures that content is not
lost when the receiver switches back to analog mode during a digital
signal failure. Stations using this technology may need to implement
certain internal operational changes to accommodate the fact that off-
air listeners will experience delays of up to 10 seconds with both the
analog and digital versions of their programming. Since no analog
program version exists for ancillary HD2 or HD3 programming, listeners
experiencing digital failures must simply tolerate audio outages until
the signal restores itself."

http://www.cab-acr.ca/english/radio/...port_final.pdf

Yea, working like a champ - LOL!

"Why the drop outs?
 

"just like"? Heck no, that stuff works.

MyHD radiois working fine!

It must be you.

“Is HD Radio Toast?”

“There are serious issues of coverage. Early adopters who bought HD
radios report serious drop-outs, poor coverage, and interference.

Gee, sounds like the stuff they used to say about FM!

(And we all k now how that turned out!)

"Why the drop outs?
 

Its a new technology...just like Color TV, Stereo, RDS, etc.

SNIP

"just like"? Heck no, that stuff works.


My HD radio is working fine!

It must be you.

You must be nuts.

You meant to say HD is working like crap. That I could believe.

Nope.

I'm listening right now. Works fine here.

It's you.

You probably never got a cell phone becuase your old CB radio works just
fine, right?