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Brenda Ann May 7th 08 07:39 AM

"Why the drop outs?
 

"A Brown" wrote in message
...

Its a new technology...just like Color TV, Stereo, RDS, etc.

Deal with it.


Color TV, stereo FM, stereo AM, RDS, SCA, etc. did not interfere with
existing services. IBOC is being almost universally panned. It's a
non-starter. A very few thousand early adapters (nerds, and not even that
many nerds) have bothered to buy the radios. IBOC has elicited a massive
ennui from the American populus, and interference complaints (especially
with nighttime AM IBOC) from many stations in the US, Canada and Mexico,
where IBOC sidebands interfere within the city grade contours of existing
stations.




Radio Ron May 7th 08 07:05 PM

"Why the drop outs?
 

"Brenda Ann" wrote in message
...

"A Brown" wrote in message
...

Its a new technology...just like Color TV, Stereo, RDS, etc.

Deal with it.


Color TV, stereo FM, stereo AM, RDS, SCA, etc. did not interfere with
existing services.


And IOBOC doesn't either...unless youa re listening to stations that are not
required to cover your area.

IBOC is being almost universally panned.


If this was the case, there wouldn't be radios for sale or stations that
broadcast in IBOC.

The onl;y "universal panning" that is going on is by people who want to hold
back technological innovation.

IBOC has elicited a massive ennui from the American populus


How lonf did FM take to be the accepted standard?

and interference complaints (especially with nighttime AM IBOC) from many
stations in the US, Canada and Mexico, where IBOC sidebands interfere
within the city grade contours of existing stations.


The FCC isn't protecting nightime clear channel stations anymore...



Radio Ron May 7th 08 07:06 PM

"Why the drop outs?
 
Well radio station's signals don't cover the earth...they only cover
limited areas. If you do not live in an area that is covered by a
station...then you're out of luck.

That's bull****. The FCC specifically requires that top tier clear
channel stations provide service to interurban areas.


There is no such thing as "clear channel" stations anymore.

Please get with the 20th century.




Radio Ron May 7th 08 07:07 PM

"Why the drop outs?
 

"dave" wrote in message
...
A Brown wrote:


Its a new technology...just like Color TV, Stereo, RDS, etc.

Deal with it.

Color TV and FM stereo didn't wipe out extra spectrum when they were
introduced.


Nor is IBOC.

Where is it written that everything has to be digital?


Read carefully: P-R-O-G-R-E-S-S




Radio Ron May 7th 08 07:09 PM

"Why the drop outs?
 

"dave" wrote in message
. ..
Radio Ron wrote:
"just like"? Heck no, that stuff works.
MyHD radiois working fine!

It must be you.


“Is HD Radio Toast?”

“There are serious issues of coverage. Early adopters who bought HD

radios report serious drop-outs, poor coverage, and interference.

Gee, sounds like the stuff they used to say about FM!

(And we all k now how that turned out!)

Nobody ever said that about FM as far as I know.


Maybe it was before your time....

"I can't pick it up!" "It needs a BIG antenna". "I costs more". "There's
Nothing on FM I would want to hear".

"Same thing I can get on AM." "Who needs an FM Radio when I have my
(staticky) FM?"




Radio Ron May 7th 08 07:10 PM

"Why the drop outs?
 

"dave" wrote in message
. ..
Radio Ron wrote:
Its a new technology...just like Color TV, Stereo, RDS, etc.
SNIP

"just like"? Heck no, that stuff works.



My HD radio is working fine!

It must be you.


If one wants to listen to 1150 in Los Angeles in the morning one must put
up with IBOC crap from 1140 in Sacto and 1160 in SLC.


Not if you are in LA....which is the city of service for 1150AM.

A service to thousands is diminished for the benefit of a handful of
techies.


No, for the benefit of listeners in LA...which is the service area for
1150AM.




Brenda Ann May 7th 08 09:31 PM

"Why the drop outs?
 

"Radio Ron" wrote in message
. ..

"Brenda Ann" wrote in message
...

"A Brown" wrote in message
...

Its a new technology...just like Color TV, Stereo, RDS, etc.

Deal with it.


Color TV, stereo FM, stereo AM, RDS, SCA, etc. did not interfere with
existing services.


And IOBOC doesn't either...unless youa re listening to stations that are
not required to cover your area.

IBOC is being almost universally panned.


If this was the case, there wouldn't be radios for sale or stations that
broadcast in IBOC.

The onl;y "universal panning" that is going on is by people who want to
hold back technological innovation.

IBOC has elicited a massive ennui from the American populus


How lonf did FM take to be the accepted standard?

and interference complaints (especially with nighttime AM IBOC) from many
stations in the US, Canada and Mexico, where IBOC sidebands interfere
within the city grade contours of existing stations.


The FCC isn't protecting nightime clear channel stations anymore...


I'm talking about local stations in said localities, many within their
protected contours.




A Brown May 8th 08 12:21 AM

"Why the drop outs?
 

and interference complaints (especially with nighttime AM IBOC) from
many
stations in the US, Canada and Mexico, where IBOC sidebands interfere
within the city grade contours of existing stations.


The FCC isn't protecting nightime clear channel stations anymore...


I'm talking about local stations in said localities, many within their
protected contours.


Please cite the case you are speaking about....

Where does a local station get interfered with in their own city of license
or protected contour by another stations IBOC.

I have never heard of such a case.




A Brown May 8th 08 12:22 AM

"Why the drop outs?
 
"There are serious issues of coverage. Early adopters who bought HD
radios report serious drop-outs, poor coverage, and interference.

Gee, sounds like the stuff they used to say about FM!

(And we all k now how that turned out!)

Nobody ever said that about FM as far as I know.


Maybe it was before your time....

"I can't pick it up!" "It needs a BIG antenna". "I costs more".
"There's Nothing on FM I would want to hear".

"Same thing I can get on AM." "Who needs an FM Radio when I have my
(staticky) FM?"


Then came a time when radio manufacturers were required to include the FM
Band, right?

Add to that "I don't see why they are making me buy and FM radio when I
don't want one!"




Brenda Ann May 8th 08 04:51 AM

"Why the drop outs?
 

"A Brown" wrote in message
...
"There are serious issues of coverage. Early adopters who bought HD
radios report serious drop-outs, poor coverage, and interference.

Gee, sounds like the stuff they used to say about FM!

(And we all k now how that turned out!)
Nobody ever said that about FM as far as I know.


Maybe it was before your time....

"I can't pick it up!" "It needs a BIG antenna". "I costs more".
"There's Nothing on FM I would want to hear".

"Same thing I can get on AM." "Who needs an FM Radio when I have my
(staticky) FM?"


Then came a time when radio manufacturers were required to include the FM
Band, right?

Add to that "I don't see why they are making me buy and FM radio when I
don't want one!"


Radio manufacturers were NEVER, and are still not, "required" to include the
FM band. There are still AM-only pocket radios on the market to this day.
FM was added to more radios within a given line as it became more popular.
FM gained popularity primarily due to content, and not fidelity. The average
person doesn't know fidelity from Fido. The most popular 'hard rock' radio
station in Portland for several years (even with 3 such stations available
on FM) was an AM station licensed to Vancouver, WA. Content made it
successful, over the better fidelity of the FM stations (well, that, and
some coverage issues... even with a 100,000 watt transmitter, there are just
some places in the Portland market that cannot receive good FM signals).




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