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"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
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In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

Keyword: still. Most AMs are talk based, and all the decently rated
ones are. A few exceptions, on analysis, make the rule; those with
music in rated markets are either ethnic (like the Farsi, Korean,
Chinese and Vietnamese language stations in the LA metro.

And like any other topic we disagree on I just happen to have one of
those exceptions about 5 miles away from myself, in english, playing
rock and roll music. Since this is the case for myself I could
extrapolate this to the majority of towns in this country. That would
add up to many more music station then you allow for.

Try re-reading the paragraph above your ill-reasoned one. I said "decently
rated" quite clearly. KVEN is rated 39th in the market in 25-54 year old
listeners (what in the industry are called the "sales demos") and is 27th in
listeners of all ages (12+ being the term used for that.). It's billings
have fallen by more than half since the year 2000, and currently are about
10% of the level attained by the market's leading billers, KCAQ, KHAY and
KXLM.

I don't need to reread it master of BS. You have this false notion that
there are only like 2 stations that have any signal in a market, which
of course is BS.

I get around 13 stations over S9 where I live 60 miles north of LA and
of course there are another dozen that put in a decent relatively noise
fee signal on a portable most places.

In fact, most places in the US don't have much music on AM unless, as I
said, it is in Farsi or Russian or Polish, to name three... or the station
is one of several forms of Gospel that have mostly 55 and over listeners.

I don't believe it.

I'll bet if I took the trouble to spin the dial looking for more I
could get maybe a handful buy you would come back and say I could not
hear them.

No, I would say, as I always have, that what you may pick up on your $5000
radio does not have the signal strength, clarity and consistency the average
listener seeks. There are probably hundreds or relatively easy out of market
AM signals you can get, between daytime and night. Listeners only pick the
ones that have monster signals, as proven by decades of research.

This is part of your BS story. I just used the table radios for S meter
readings and the portable for listening. Over a dozen come in noise free
on the portable. Actually almost 2 dozen come in noise free.

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Telamon
Ventura, California

"Telamon" wrote in message
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In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:


Try re-reading the paragraph above your ill-reasoned one. I said
"decently
rated" quite clearly. KVEN is rated 39th in the market in 25-54 year old
listeners (what in the industry are called the "sales demos") and is 27th
in
listeners of all ages (12+ being the term used for that.). It's billings
have fallen by more than half since the year 2000, and currently are
about
10% of the level attained by the market's leading billers, KCAQ, KHAY and
KXLM.

I don't need to reread it master of BS. You have this false notion that
there are only like 2 stations that have any signal in a market, which
of course is BS.

No, I have the proof, as does any other subscriber to Arbitron, that people
will not listen to weak signals that are subject to noise, interference or
difficult to tune in.

Anyway, you are obfuscating. I clearly said that AM stations with any
appreciable ratings are not playing music. You went off on an unrelated and
irrelevant tangent.

I get around 13 stations over S9 where I live 60 miles north of LA and
of course there are another dozen that put in a decent relatively noise
fee signal on a portable most places.

But most of the ones that have a good signal TO YOU do not get listening by
anyone else that is measurable.

In fact, most places in the US don't have much music on AM unless, as I
said, it is in Farsi or Russian or Polish, to name three... or the
station
is one of several forms of Gospel that have mostly 55 and over listeners.

I don't believe it.

Name me ONE non-ethnic AM that plays only music and has salable ratings
(meaning under age 55 listening).


No, I would say, as I always have, that what you may pick up on your
$5000
radio does not have the signal strength, clarity and consistency the
average
listener seeks. There are probably hundreds or relatively easy out of
market
AM signals you can get, between daytime and night. Listeners only pick
the
ones that have monster signals, as proven by decades of research.

This is part of your BS story. I just used the table radios for S meter
readings and the portable for listening. Over a dozen come in noise free
on the portable. Actually almost 2 dozen come in noise free.

But nobody else listens to them, even in your specific ZIP code area, as I
explained to you before.

Again, all of this is to divert attention from the fact that you cited a
music AM in your metro area and I gave you the facts that it is rated poorly
(39th in 25-54 in the Ventura / Ornard MSA) and has plummeting revenue and
almost no billing now. That's typical for music AMs unless they are ones
like KIRN that are the only service to an unserved community... in this
case, Persians.

In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
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In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:


Try re-reading the paragraph above your ill-reasoned one. I said
"decently rated" quite clearly. KVEN is rated 39th in the market
in 25-54 year old listeners (what in the industry are called the
"sales demos") and is 27th in listeners of all ages (12+ being the
term used for that.). It's billings have fallen by more than half
since the year 2000, and currently are about 10% of the level
attained by the market's leading billers, KCAQ, KHAY and KXLM.

I don't need to reread it master of BS. You have this false notion
that there are only like 2 stations that have any signal in a
market, which of course is BS.

No, I have the proof, as does any other subscriber to Arbitron, that
people will not listen to weak signals that are subject to noise,
interference or difficult to tune in.

That's not proof. That's just advertising marketing BS.

Anyway, you are obfuscating. I clearly said that AM stations with any
appreciable ratings are not playing music. You went off on an
unrelated and irrelevant tangent.

I'm not obfuscating. You have a one note point to make and this is just
your way to obscure it.

I get around 13 stations over S9 where I live 60 miles north of LA
and of course there are another dozen that put in a decent
relatively noise fee signal on a portable most places.

But most of the ones that have a good signal TO YOU do not get
listening by anyone else that is measurable.

Yeah, and you see that you fall back to that marketing crap. It doesn't
get enough market share so it does not exist.

In fact, most places in the US don't have much music on AM unless,
as I said, it is in Farsi or Russian or Polish, to name three...
or the station is one of several forms of Gospel that have mostly
55 and over listeners.

I don't believe it.

Name me ONE non-ethnic AM that plays only music and has salable
ratings (meaning under age 55 listening).

I don't prove the existence of radio stations by what ratings they get.
That's your scam.

No, I would say, as I always have, that what you may pick up on
your $5000 radio does not have the signal strength, clarity and
consistency the average listener seeks. There are probably
hundreds or relatively easy out of market AM signals you can get,
between daytime and night. Listeners only pick the ones that have
monster signals, as proven by decades of research.

This is part of your BS story. I just used the table radios for S
meter readings and the portable for listening. Over a dozen come in
noise free on the portable. Actually almost 2 dozen come in noise
free.

But nobody else listens to them, even in your specific ZIP code area,
as I explained to you before.

Again, all of this is to divert attention from the fact that you
cited a music AM in your metro area and I gave you the facts that it
is rated poorly (39th in 25-54 in the Ventura / Ornard MSA) and has
plummeting revenue and almost no billing now. That's typical for
music AMs unless they are ones like KIRN that are the only service to
an unserved community... in this case, Persians.

Nope. That is just a part of the fantasy marketing world you live in.
This is just a part of the marketing fantasy you relive every day. Wake
up the reader of this news group know you game.

First it's "The station does not exist."

Next "The station does not have enough signal to be noise free so people
will listen."

Then the final fall back position " The station does not get ratings so
it might as well not exist."

So now that we are down to 2 stations in a market we can implement HD
with no problems right? What BS!

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Telamon
Ventura, California