"Tom Betz" wrote in message
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Quoth "-=jd=-" in
:

True - If they play their cards right, they *should* be #1 in NYC.

They'd have to add about 20kW to the 30 kW WLIB transmitter to have
a fair
shot at #1.

#2 ain't bad for three months. Let's see whether they can hold onto
it.


I'm not that familiar with the New York AM market--that's #2 in 25-54
out of 3 -talk- stations, correct? As opposed to #2 overall on AM.
And with all respect to your well-taken point regarding the
transmitter, there is still a huge disproportion of liberals to
conservatives all over NYC--a huge built in market that should
minimize any transmitter issues.

Quoth "T. Early" in news:40fc8e47$0$5635
:

I'm not that familiar with the New York AM market--that's #2 in 25-54
out of 3 -talk- stations, correct?

Correct.

--
"I am afeard there are few die well that die in a battle; for how can they
charitably dispose of anything when blood is their argument? Now, if these
men do not die well, it will be a black matter for the King that led them
to it; who to disobey were against all proportion of subjection." - W.S.

Tom Betz wrote:

Quoth "T. Early" in news:40fc8e47$0$5635
:

I'm not that familiar with the New York AM market--that's #2 in 25-54
out of 3 -talk- stations, correct?

Correct.

But Rush is still #1, right?

Please don't give me a whiny answer.

"Tom Betz" wrote in message
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Quoth "T. Early" in news:40fc8e47$0$5635
:

I'm not that familiar with the New York AM market--that's #2 in 25-54
out of 3 -talk- stations, correct?

Correct.

No, it is also behind WFAN, a sports talker and WADO, a Spanish talker. Make
that #4 out of 5.

Quoth "David Eduardo" in news:vEaLc.24232$vi2.697
@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com:

No, it is also behind WFAN, a sports talker and WADO, a Spanish talker.
Make that #4 out of 5.

So Crains NY has it wrong, you say?

In Message-ID: you say there
are six talk stations:

770, 620, 1280, 1050, 1190, 710 are all talk. Sports talk is also talk.

Though sports talk aims at a younger demographic than straight talk, I'm
perfectly willing to concede this for the sake of discussion, considering
that Air America's listener base skews younger than WOR and WABC, too. I
have a harder time including Spanish talk as a competitor to Air America,
even though I've observed that Air America has a considerable Latino listener
base. I often find Latinos on the street listening to WLIB.

WSNR 620 doesn't even appear on the Radio and Records ratings chart. Would
it be number 6 out of 6?

--
"I am afeard there are few die well that die in a battle; for how can they
charitably dispose of anything when blood is their argument? Now, if these
men do not die well, it will be a black matter for the King that led them
to it; who to disobey were against all proportion of subjection." - W.S.

"Tom Betz" wrote in message
. 70...
Quoth "David Eduardo" in news:vEaLc.24232$vi2.697
@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com:

No, it is also behind WFAN, a sports talker and WADO, a Spanish talker.
Make that #4 out of 5.

So Crains NY has it wrong, you say?

Probably Crains had 1) the unofficial monthly numbers and, 2) forgot that
WADO is talk and WFAN is talk.... first because it is Spanish and second
because it is sports talk.

The Friday numbers were "advances" while today's release is the offical
data.

In 12+, the ranking is WABC, WFAN, WOR, WADO and WLIB last.


In Message-ID: you say
there
are six talk stations:

770, 620, 1280, 1050, 1190, 710 are all talk. Sports talk is also talk.

Though sports talk aims at a younger demographic than straight talk, I'm
perfectly willing to concede this for the sake of discussion, considering
that Air America's listener base skews younger than WOR and WABC, too. I
have a harder time including Spanish talk as a competitor to Air America,
even though I've observed that Air America has a considerable Latino
listener
base. I often find Latinos on the street listening to WLIB.

And most 35+ Hispanics in NY, overwhelmingly Puerto Ricans, are English
dominant.

WSNR 620 doesn't even appear on the Radio and Records ratings chart.
Would
it be number 6 out of 6?

Yes, I guess. But it is a perpetual no-show.

David Eduardo wrote:

"Tom Betz" wrote in message
. 70...
Quoth "David Eduardo" in news:vEaLc.24232$vi2.697
@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com:

No, it is also behind WFAN, a sports talker and WADO, a Spanish talker.
Make that #4 out of 5.

So Crains NY has it wrong, you say?

Probably Crains had 1) the unofficial monthly numbers and, 2) forgot that
WADO is talk and WFAN is talk.... first because it is Spanish and second
because it is sports talk.

The Friday numbers were "advances" while today's release is the offical
data.

In 12+, the ranking is WABC, WFAN, WOR, WADO and WLIB last.

Rush mentioned today that new ratings were out and that he was the most
listened to show in NYC.




In Message-ID: you say
there
are six talk stations:

770, 620, 1280, 1050, 1190, 710 are all talk. Sports talk is also talk.

Though sports talk aims at a younger demographic than straight talk, I'm
perfectly willing to concede this for the sake of discussion, considering
that Air America's listener base skews younger than WOR and WABC, too. I
have a harder time including Spanish talk as a competitor to Air America,
even though I've observed that Air America has a considerable Latino
listener
base. I often find Latinos on the street listening to WLIB.

And most 35+ Hispanics in NY, overwhelmingly Puerto Ricans, are English
dominant.

WSNR 620 doesn't even appear on the Radio and Records ratings chart.
Would
it be number 6 out of 6?

Yes, I guess. But it is a perpetual no-show.

"T. Early" wrote:

"Tom Betz" wrote in message
. ..
Quoth "-=jd=-" in
:

True - If they play their cards right, they *should* be #1 in NYC.

They'd have to add about 20kW to the 30 kW WLIB transmitter to have
a fair
shot at #1.

#2 ain't bad for three months. Let's see whether they can hold onto
it.


I'm not that familiar with the New York AM market--that's #2 in 25-54
out of 3 -talk- stations, correct? As opposed to #2 overall on AM.
And with all respect to your well-taken point regarding the
transmitter, there is still a huge disproportion of liberals to
conservatives all over NYC--a huge built in market that should
minimize any transmitter issues.

Some Arbitron ratings I just looked at placed WLIB 24th in the NYC market.

dxAce

Quoth dxAce in :

Some Arbitron ratings I just looked at placed WLIB 24th in the NYC market.

In the 12+ demo, 24th overall. But there aren't a lot of talk stations in
NYC.

http://radioandrecords.com/RRRatings...4&RY=2004&RQ=2
&MP=0&OTHER=2&MN=New%20York&MS=NY&MR=1&12P=1534000 0&UP=7/16/2004&SU=CM&BPER=
17.5&HPER=19.1&OPER=&NSD=8/23/2004&CE=0 aka http://tinyurl.com/6wb69 is a
readily available source for the most recently published 12+ ratings. It
also shows the breakdown of station owners and format.

--
"I am afeard there are few die well that die in a battle; for how can they
charitably dispose of anything when blood is their argument? Now, if these
men do not die well, it will be a black matter for the King that led them
to it; who to disobey were against all proportion of subjection." - W.S.

"Tom Betz" wrote in message
. 70...
Quoth dxAce in :

Some Arbitron ratings I just looked at placed WLIB 24th in the NYC
market.

In the 12+ demo, 24th overall. But there aren't a lot of talk stations in
NYC.

770, 620, 1280, 1050, 1190, 710 are all talk. Sports talk is also talk.