I would not be surprised if he left for good after a few run-ins with
our resident xenophobes.

That was one of the most painful threads I have ever read.

I was excited to find out that the 1108 was going to become a reality. I am
a big fan of Degen and I hope to place my order for this radio the very
first day it goes on sale.

I was even more excited (or even awed) to see that the engineer who was
responsible for two of the best radios this decade (Sat 800 and DE1103) was
actually sharing his time and energy with us, and was even letting us, the
listening and buying public, to help him design the best radio possible.

But then the xenophobic ranting started. I was shocked at first, but I hoped
that it was just a poorly executed cute remark that fell flat. But the
rantings continued. And there was definitely nothing cute about it. It was
intentionally mean, and I was horrified to realize that a fellow American
and dxer would stoop to such ignorant and mean-spirited rantings.

The thread then got too painful to read. I immediately blocked the offending
poster, but the memory of his ignorant ranting still sticks in my craw. In
fact, looking back, I can't even remember exactly who that hateful poster
was. I think he was a regular here, but his postings no longer appear on my
computer, so I can't be sure.

I hope that wonderful engineer is able to forgive that crude offender, and
that he doesn't hold all of us responsible for such horrible and
unacceptable behavior.

lsmyer wrote:

That was one of the most painful threads I have ever read.

I was excited to find out that the 1108 was going to become a reality. I am
a big fan of Degen and I hope to place my order for this radio the very
first day it goes on sale.

I was even more excited (or even awed) to see that the engineer who was
responsible for two of the best radios this decade (Sat 800 and DE1103) was
actually sharing his time and energy with us, and was even letting us, the
listening and buying public, to help him design the best radio possible.

But then the xenophobic ranting started. I was shocked at first, but I hoped
that it was just a poorly executed cute remark that fell flat. But the
rantings continued. And there was definitely nothing cute about it. It was
intentionally mean, and I was horrified to realize that a fellow American
and dxer would stoop to such ignorant and mean-spirited rantings.

The thread then got too painful to read. I immediately blocked the offending
poster, but the memory of his ignorant ranting still sticks in my craw. In
fact, looking back, I can't even remember exactly who that hateful poster
was. I think he was a regular here, but his postings no longer appear on my
computer, so I can't be sure.

I guess all you'd have to do would be to look at your kill file to get an idea
of who it was then. Seems pretty darn simple to me.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

"lsmyer" wrote

But then the xenophobic ranting started. I was shocked at first, but I
hoped
that it was just a poorly executed cute remark that fell flat. But the
rantings continued. And there was definitely nothing cute about it. It was
intentionally mean, and I was horrified to realize that a fellow American
and dxer would stoop to such ignorant and mean-spirited rantings.

The thread then got too painful to read. I immediately blocked the
offending
poster, but the memory of his ignorant ranting still sticks in my craw. In
fact, looking back, I can't even remember exactly who that hateful poster
was. I think he was a regular here, but his postings no longer appear on
my
computer, so I can't be sure.

Shocked you were? And your memory is too painful for you?
Hmmm, perhaps you should read more, or better yet, live in China for a
while.
Then and only then will you understand the "horror" that the WWII generation
that can no longer pass on to your memory. Perhaps Tianamen Square will
refresh your ailing synapses. No? Well, here is something very recent for
you
to be shocked about:

http://www.geocities.com/china_e_lob...ember2004.html
http://www.geocities.com/china_e_lob...ember2004.html
http://www.geocities.com/china_e_lob...ember2004.html

Keep up to date about your engineer Komrade he
http://english.epochtimes.com/category.asp?id=92
Especially noteworthy today: http://china-e-lobby.blogspot.com/

By the way let me give you a bit of advice. If your email to the Degen
engineer doesn't bounce these days it is a sure bet he is very well
connected with the Chinese Communist Party. The CCP are currently in the
Blocking All Foreign Email mode! They tend to do this during times when
they feel threatened by "unsanitary information" penetrating their bamboo
curtain.

tianli wrote:


"lsmyer" wrote

But then the xenophobic ranting started. I was shocked at first, but I
hoped
that it was just a poorly executed cute remark that fell flat. But the
rantings continued. And there was definitely nothing cute about it. It was
intentionally mean, and I was horrified to realize that a fellow American
and dxer would stoop to such ignorant and mean-spirited rantings.

The thread then got too painful to read. I immediately blocked the
offending
poster, but the memory of his ignorant ranting still sticks in my craw. In
fact, looking back, I can't even remember exactly who that hateful poster
was. I think he was a regular here, but his postings no longer appear on
my
computer, so I can't be sure.

Shocked you were? And your memory is too painful for you?
Hmmm, perhaps you should read more, or better yet, live in China for a
while.
Then and only then will you understand the "horror" that the WWII generation
that can no longer pass on to your memory. Perhaps Tianamen Square will
refresh your ailing synapses. No? Well, here is something very recent for
you
to be shocked about:

http://www.geocities.com/china_e_lob...ember2004.html
http://www.geocities.com/china_e_lob...ember2004.html
http://www.geocities.com/china_e_lob...ember2004.html

Keep up to date about your engineer Komrade he
http://english.epochtimes.com/category.asp?id=92
Especially noteworthy today: http://china-e-lobby.blogspot.com/

By the way let me give you a bit of advice. If your email to the Degen
engineer doesn't bounce these days it is a sure bet he is very well
connected with the Chinese Communist Party. The CCP are currently in the
Blocking All Foreign Email mode! They tend to do this during times when
they feel threatened by "unsanitary information" penetrating their bamboo
curtain.



Get this straight. Buying a Degen or Tecsun or any other Chinese made
product does NOT constitute de facto endorsement of the Chinese
Communist Party! You, apparently, are too dense to grasp this simple
fact. Listening to CRI, and/or receiving a QSL from them, does NOT
constitute endorsement of the CCP. I listen to Radio Havana all the
time, but I'm no fan of Fidel or his regime. I enjoy Cuba's perspective
on events, especially the Israeli-Palestinian war-they're the only SW
station that I can regularly receive that reports the Palestinian side,
a useful counterbalance to American domestic news, which reports the
Israeli side, when they report on it at all. Anyway, listening to a
certain SW station or buying products from a certain country does not
endorse that country's regime. All the Degen engineer was trying to do
was get feedback on his designs, and YOU GUYS turned it into a political
battle, when it shouldn't have been. Your blind hatred of all things
Chinese is as bad as Roedy Green's blind hatred of all things US, and
dxAce's blind hatred of, well, everything. Get a clue already!


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Get this straight. Buying a Degen or Tecsun or any other Chinese made
product does NOT constitute de facto endorsement of the Chinese
Communist Party! You, apparently, are too dense to grasp this simple
fact. Listening to CRI, and/or receiving a QSL from them, does NOT
constitute endorsement of the CCP. I listen to Radio Havana all the
time, but I'm no fan of Fidel or his regime. I enjoy Cuba's
perspective on events, especially the Israeli-Palestinian war-they're
the only SW station that I can regularly receive that reports the
Palestinian side, a useful counterbalance to American domestic news,
which reports the Israeli side, when they report on it at all. Anyway,
listening to a certain SW station or buying products from a certain
country does not endorse that country's regime. All the Degen engineer
was trying to do was get feedback on his designs, and YOU GUYS turned
it into a political battle, when it shouldn't have been. Your blind
hatred of all things Chinese is as bad as Roedy Green's blind hatred
of all things US, and dxAce's blind hatred of, well, everything. Get a
clue already!

Absolutely right. It no more makes a radio consumer an endorser or support
of communism than the companies who are outsourcing their production to
China and elsewhere while making contributions to both political parties.

it into a political battle, when it shouldn't have been. Your blind
hatred of all things Chinese is as bad as Roedy Green's blind hatred
of all things US, and dxAce's blind hatred of, well, everything. Get a
clue already!

Absolutely right. It no more makes a radio consumer an endorser or
support
of communism than the companies who are outsourcing their production to
China and elsewhere while making contributions to both political parties.

I suppose that it was alright to encourage trade with the Nazi regime.

Imagine Nazi Germany instead of "Communist" China as your trading partner
and you have a very good comparison of your ignorant logic.

Imagine Chinkland without American Intelligence,them chinks asses would
be in a sling right now! Imagine the far east without American
Intelligence,, they used to all live in mud huts! Imagine naziland
without American Intelligence,, You probally wouldn't exist right now!
cuhulin

tianli_ wrote:

it into a political battle, when it shouldn't have been. Your blind
hatred of all things Chinese is as bad as Roedy Green's blind hatred
of all things US, and dxAce's blind hatred of, well, everything. Get a
clue already!

Absolutely right. It no more makes a radio consumer an endorser or
support
of communism than the companies who are outsourcing their production to
China and elsewhere while making contributions to both political parties.

I suppose that it was alright to encourage trade with the Nazi regime.

Imagine Nazi Germany instead of "Communist" China as your trading partner
and you have a very good comparison of your ignorant logic.

If we ever go to war with China, then your comparison will be valid.
Otherwise, it's not trading with the enemy, and therefore is not an
endorsement of a regime hostile to the US. Many US companies did
business with Nazi Germany before war was declared in 1941, and it was
not illegal nor an endorsement of Nazi policies or the Nazi regime's
existence. It was just business. Capitalists do business with everybody
as long as they have money, unless their government forbids them from
doing so with a certain country.


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24 November 2004 - Voice of America News
China's Sichuan Province Tense in Aftermath of Violent Anti-Dam Protests
By Luis Ramirez
Hanyuan, China
....
This man, who did not want his name used, saw the confrontation and says it
is impossible to know exactly how many people were killed. "People died," he
said. "Maybe more than 10,000 died. It cannot be estimated."

Others in Hanyuan give accounts of staggering death tolls. But it is
impossible to independently verify. The government promptly sealed off the
entire region surrounding the dam, and banned all news media from entering.
Witnesses cautioned that if journalists were discovered in the area,
authorities would detain and expel them.

In a car with tinted windows, this reporter anonymously slipped into the
gorge along the Dadu River - past heavily armed soldiers and police, to
catch a glimpse of the gigantic dam project and the towns of villages that
are to be flooded.
http://www.voanews.com/english/China...-Aftermath-of-
Violent-Anti-Dam-Protests.cfm


Nov 10, 2004 - COMMUNIST POLICE BEAT SICHUAN PROTESTERS

Tens of thousands marched in Hanyuan County to protest a forced relocation
that included "tearing down their homes under orders issued by corrupt
officials" who lied about the compensation value of the land seized. In
response to the protest, the cadres sent in the police, who "injured several
dozen people and beat one man to death."


Nov 17, 2004 - SICHUAN PROTESTS ENDS WITH COMMUNIST POLICE SHOOTING

The farmers and others protesting a mass forced relocation in Hanyuan
County, Sichuan Province, were met with a hail of bullets from Communist
police. An activist in communication with the farmers during the shooting
told the Epoch Times that the police killed seventeen protestors and wounded
at least forty others.

Luo Gan, head of security for the People's Republic of China, flew in
himself to supervise the crackdown. Luo, a protégé of Tiananmen Square
butcher Li Peng, may have been driven to follow in Li's bloody footsteps by
the recent reports tallying the number of protests in Communist China at
more than three million.
http://www.geocities.com/china_e_lob...ember2004.html


Nov 24, 2004 - SICHUAN DAM HALTED, CADRE FIRED AFTER PROTEST
BUT THE KILLING CONTINUES AS MORE COMMUNIST MILITARY IS SENT IN

The massive protests against relocation forced by cadres building a dam in
Sichuan has led the Communists to fire one unnamed cadre and promise
suspension of construction. Left unmentioned by the BBC report of the
"riot" was the fact that Communist police shot at least seventeen
protestors dead.

In fact, the PRC has sent in the military to "put down the 'rebellion' of
the unarmed peasants", through, among other things, the use of tear gas -
"many people have been wounded and some killed." Of course, local cadres
are insisting "there is no gathering of armed forces and no conflict between
the government and local residents."
http://www.geocities.com/china_e_lob...ember2004.html


Dec 1, 2004 - DEATH TOLL IN HANYUAN COUNTY "CANNOT BE ESTIMATED"
"STAGGERING" SLAUGHTER BY MILITARY TERRORIZES ANTI-DAM LOCALS INTO SILENCE;
CONSTURCTION OF DAM CONTINUES DESPITE PRC PLEDGE TO SUSPEND IT

The Epoch Times managed to get Luis Ramirez (VOA) into Hanyuan County, where
the military forces of the People's Republic crushed a massive protest
against land seizures by local cadres to build a power dam. One local, who
wisely "did not want his name used," guessed the number of protestors killed
by the Communist military to be "more than 10,000".

While such a number - or any number - was "impossible to independently
verify," other locals gave "accounts of staggering death tolls." If the
number is even remotely accurate, it would be three times the estimated
number killed in Tiananmen Square in 1989; as on that fateful June 4,
"troops fired on the unarmed demonstrators."

The dam "will force 100,000 people from their homes." A roughly equal
number of protestors filled the streets of Hanyuan County and tried to shut
down dam construction. The Communists pledged to halt said construction,
but according to this report, "it is apparent that work on the dam has in
fact continued."

It should be noted that the decision to send in the military was made by
"both the central government and the Sichuan provincial authorities,"
meaning that the Hanyuan November massacre can be laid at the feet of
"reformer" Hu Jintao.
http://www.geocities.com/china_e_lob...ember2004.html