Two million gallon oil storage tank near Venis,Louisiana,leaking into
the Mississippi River. www.drudgereport.com I heard from someone
earlier today there are two oil tankers (Ships) waiting in New Orleans
so the oil can be offloaded for the refineries.Two oil tankers,two
million gallons of oil each.Someone shot holes in the sides of the oil
tankers and they are leaking.I dont know if it is true or not.I think
that is some tough steel plates on the sides of those oil tankers and I
think some of them are double hulled,or whatever it's called.It must be
some very powerfull Rifles and ammo that can shoot holes in the sides of
those oil tankers.
cuhulin

But did you drink the beer out first? Anyway,the reason is,measuring the
distance one way and then reversing the empty (beer) cans the other way
doesn't take into account of the diameter of the (beer) cans.
cuhulin

Unfortunately most folks simply do not comprehend the scale of the disaster nor
what it takes to mobilize relief on that scale and the logistics
involved.

They have little patience for anything these days and if it can't be
magically
accomplished 'yesterday' then there must be something seriously wrong.

I pity them, for they are truly the clueless.

dxAce
Michigan

You are right. It's huge, and things take time. But that's not the
real problem, at least for the future of NO and for other areas subject
to catastrophes (like California and Seattle for example). It's not
about relief after the fact - it's about being ready for the
inevitable, especially when fair warning is given.

There has been an almost unconscionable lack of good planning in the NO
area for decades. The place has been a sitting duck, and people from
the rank and file citizen to the federal government have been sitting
on their hands hoping that what just happened never would. Oh sure,
they (the Army Corps and related agencies) built levees and dikes and
canals to move the water around the city, but in the final analysis, a
city built below sea level needs not only the best possible system to
keep the water out, it needs a coordinated contingency plan, with the
feds/state/local governments all involved, as well as an educated and
ready citizenry, to be prepared and ready to move when a major
emergency happens (as it inevitably will). *Neither of these was in
place.*

This is hardly Bush's fault only (I am no Bush fan, but I recognize
that he saw an emergency coming before the storm made landfall, and
that in the long term he inherited this heritage from many
administrations and congresses before him), but knowing that this socko
blast was about to hit the single most vulnerable spot in the country,
and having a few days warning, some effort could and should have been
mobilized ASAP - and it wasn't. Not by Bush, not by Louisiana, and
certainly not by NO, one of the poorest major communities in the nation
and probably the most incapable as a result.

Bush, unfortunately to his discredit, also said that nobody could have
foreseen the breaching of the levees - but that is really beside the
point. In reality, everyone who was familiar with them virtually
*knew* it was coming. This worst case scenario has been predicted for
ages. Enough people knew so that a plan could have been in place long
before Bush was ever in office.

Levee inadequacy being known, if a coordinated evacuation plan could
have started in earnest early enough to get incapable people out, a
significant amount of the current sturm und drang could have been
avoided. Of course, some people would have been overlooked and some
would have purposely stayed behind - that's human nature - but the
worst could have been avoided. Even an extra 12 hours would have been
quite beneficial, with time to get, for example, a fleet of buses into
the poorer sections and out again.

No, we cannot magically accomplish evacuation assistance and a cleanup,
*not now,* with any immediacy. There are too many obstacles in the
way. If a coordinated plan was in place before the obstacles were
created, however, things would look better right now, at least from a
human survival perspective. Either way, though, the city will take a
generation to get back on its feet - if another hurricane does not come
along first.

Bruce Jensen

-=jd=- wrote:
snip

The local authorities (city, parish, state) are *wholly*
responsible for filling the gap between when the disaster hits and federal
resources arriving on-scene. In this case, *none* of the local authorities
were the least bit prepared for the actual disaster they were met with.
They most certainly had contingency plans, but it is quite obvious that
*all* of their plans were immediately overwhelmed by events. Bear in mind
that this is a City and State that has been (purportedly) planning for a
bad storm of this nature for *decades*.


On WELI this morning, someone (I tuned in too late to get his name) was
being interviewed by the local morning guy.

He says New Orleans has the largest ratio of elected officials to
population in the world.

The reason?

There isn't enough room in the prisons.

Wish I caught that guy's name...

bush Rejects French Offer of Medical Aide,Water Filters.
www.infowars.com MORON Goathead Goat story bush is a MORON,a brain
salad cocaine head booze drinking MORON,Major Enemy of U.S.A.!!! The
Levee's could have been strenghtened,but nooooooooo,,,,,,, got to send
that money for the Iraq "war"!!!
cuhulin

As many times as I have been to Louisiana (I only live about forty five
miles East of the Louisiana state line) before and New Orleans and I
have been there many,many times before since the late 1940's,I have seen
many,many native Louisianans and native folks from New Orleans.Most of
the people are not as poor as you might think.Some of them can drop a
few thousand dollars now and then and never even miss that money.
cuhulin

www.devilfinder.com Waterways Experiment Station Vicksburg
Mississippi Lake Ponchartrain Levee

They knew the Lake Ponchartrain Levee needed shoreing up.So did D.C.
cuhulin

The money that could have been used to help save New Orleans went for
bush's "war".I BLAME the current tragedy in New Orleans Directly on
bush!
cuhulin

Tom Sherren wrote:

PS: Chavez got in a wipe at W by calling him the "Vacation President".

I am *not* bashing W's hurricane performance, but I will address your
"vacation" statement...

Sure, it's a Chavez slam, but it also happens to be true. He (Chavez) is
just quoting the American Public Records of those who keep track of such
things. W does indeed hold the record as the U.S. "most vacationing
president". No bashing, just a simple, straightforward, easily
verifiable, matter of public record "almanac-style" fact. (W earned this
record *before* Katrina, so sort of a Chavez cheap shot).

On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 20:06:54 GMT, (Tom Sherren)
wrote:

In article , (Tom Sherren) wrote:
In article , "MnMikew"
wrote:

"Mike Lee" wrote in message
.uk...
Come on Bush get off your f****** ass and do some thing.

Funny I dont seen any relief effort coming from any other countries,
including yours.



Wrong. As of today the US has received offers of assistance from Canada, the
UK, France (!), Germany(!!), Venzuela(!!!), and Israel. There may be a
couple of others, but I forget.

T.

PS: Chavez got in a wipe at W by calling him the "Vacation President".

Here is the complete list of nations offering assistance from today's
Washington Post:

"Offers have been received from Russia, Japan, Canada, France, Honduras,
Germany, Venezuela, Jamaica, Australia, the United Kingdom, the Netherlands,
Switzerland, Greece, Hungary, Colombia, the Dominican Republic, El Salvador,
Mexico, China, South Korea, Israel, the United Arab Emirates, NATO and the
Organization of American States, the spokesman said.

Also, the Singapore embassy said the Southeast Asian country was sending three
Chinook helicopters with 38 air force personnel from military exercises in
Texas, to Louisiana to support relief efforts by the Texas National Guard."

How many of the above offers has our beloved administraion
accepted?