Szczepan Bialek wrote:

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Szczepan Bialek wrote:


All the links I quote are wrote by "people who have
spent decades building and using antennas in the real world, people
ranging
in education from knowledgable hobbyiests to degreed engineers and
scientists."


Are you one of them?
S*

Am I one of what?

If you mean what are MY qualifications to call you a babbling idiot, I
have
been building and using antennas for about 50 years and have a degree in
Electrical and Electronic Engineering.

How long have you been building and using antennas and what degrees do
you have?

Instead writting the "babbling idiot" write a long article on antennas
without ground.

Why as there already exists thousands and thousands of such literature
references?

Howver you are too much of an ignorant, ineducable, babbling idiot to be
able to read any of them and understand them.

You were totally unable to understand something as simple as:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dipole_antenna

and started babbling about the colors on the graphics showing you haven't
a clue what the article was actually saying.

You wrote: "Only end fed monopoles need radials". Do you mean that "Only end
fed monopoles need ground"?

No, I meant what I said.

You, however, are too much of an ignorant, ineducable, babbling idiot to be
able to understand it.

To be precise, only end fed monopoles need a counterpoise.

The counterpoise can consist of either radials, a large conductive area
fabricated for the purpose, or the Earth itself IF the surface conductivity
is high enough.

The words "ground", "radial", and "counterpoise" in relation to antennas
are three diffent things with three different meanings but you are too
much of an ignorant, ineducable, babbling idiot to be to understand that.

A quarter wave, end fed vertical monopole with a set of radials does NOT
need a connection to ground.

The radials serve as the counterpoise.

As you are an ignorant, ineducable, babbling idiot you will not understand
any of this and will reply with babbling nonsense.

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You were totally unable to understand something as simple as:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dipole_antenna

"The quarter wavemonopole antenna is a single element antenna fed at one
end, that behaves as a dipole antenna."

Are you able to understand something as simple as the above?


To be precise, only end fed monopoles need a counterpoise.

The radials serve as the counterpoise.

The Author in Wiki describes the "dipole" used by radio-amateurs.
Such dipole is simply "The quarter wavemonopole antenna".
S*

Szczepan Bialek wrote:

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You were totally unable to understand something as simple as:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dipole_antenna

"The quarter wavemonopole antenna is a single element antenna fed at one
end, that behaves as a dipole antenna."

Are you able to understand something as simple as the above?

Yes, and obviously you can not.

What it means is the total FIELD is the same as if the antenna were a dipole.

Nothing more, nothing less.

To be precise, only end fed monopoles need a counterpoise.

The radials serve as the counterpoise.

The Author in Wiki describes the "dipole" used by radio-amateurs.
Such dipole is simply "The quarter wavemonopole antenna".

A dipole is a dipole is a dipole and it doesn't matter who is using it.

A dipole is NOT "The quarter wavemonopole antenna".

A dipole is a dipole is a dipole.

You STILL can not understand the difference and you never will as you are
an ineducable idiot.

How many antennas have you built in your lifetime?

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On 08/07/2012 10:23, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
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You were totally unable to understand something as simple as:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dipole_antenna

"The quarter wavemonopole antenna is a single element antenna fed at one
end, that behaves as a dipole antenna."

Are you able to understand something as simple as the above?


To be precise, only end fed monopoles need a counterpoise.

The radials serve as the counterpoise.

The Author in Wiki describes the "dipole" used by radio-amateurs.
Such dipole is simply "The quarter wavemonopole antenna".
S*


No It doesn't, it describes a monopole as as dipole using the image in the
ground as the second leg!!

But what is does show is a dipole with one arm connected to the braid of a
coax!!!! Which of course you ignored!!!!!

The braid = the shield.

The braid and the arm are together the counterpoise.

Have you the same voltages on the braid and on the coax "live" wire?

If not, than you heve the monopole. But it is nothing wrong if in your
community it is call "dipole".
S*

Szczepan Bialek wrote:
The braid = the shield.

The braid and the arm are together the counterpoise.

Have you the same voltages on the braid and on the coax "live" wire?

If not, than you heve the monopole. But it is nothing wrong if in your
community it is call "dipole".
S*

You seem to think that the braid of the coax is a ground and the
voltage there is always zero.

But that is not how things work.

A length of cable, whatever cable it is, is not a short circuit on HF.

"Szczepan Bialek" wrote in message
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If not, than you heve the monopole. But it is nothing wrong if in your
community it is call "dipole".
S*

Hello Szczepan. The monopole and dipole aerials are definitely two different
aerials and it would be wrong to call a monopole a dipole.
It seems that you need some help to understand aerials. The ARRL
(http://www.arrl.org/shop/Antennas/ ) and RSGB
(http://www.rsgbshop.org/acatalog/Onl...tennas_37.html) both
sell helpful books on aerials.

Kindest regards, Ian.

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"Szczepan Bialek" wrote in message
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If not, than you heve the monopole. But it is nothing wrong if in your
community it is call "dipole".
S*

Hello Szczepan. The monopole and dipole aerials are definitely two
different
aerials and it would be wrong to call a monopole a dipole.

Monopole antenna: "One side of the antenna feedline is attached to the lower
end of the monopole, and the other side is attached to the ground plane,
which is often the Earth."

Dipole antenna: "A dipole antenna is a straight electrical conductor
measuring 1/2 wavelength from end to end and connected at the center to a
radio-frequency (RF) feed line. This antenna, also called a doublet, is one
of the simplest types of antenna, and constitutes the main RF radiating and
receiving element in various sophisticated types of antennas. The dipole is
inherently a balanced antenna, because it is bilaterally symmetrical.
Ideally, a dipole antenna is fed with a balanced, parallel-wire RF
transmission line"

The Hertz dipole was symmetrical.

The radio-amateurs use the name "dipole" for a monopole.
It is not wrong because they do not use the name monopole.
S*

"Szczepan Bialek" wrote in message
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"Szczepan Bialek" wrote in message
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If not, than you heve the monopole. But it is nothing wrong if in your
community it is call "dipole".
S*

Hello Szczepan. The monopole and dipole aerials are definitely two
different
aerials and it would be wrong to call a monopole a dipole.

Monopole antenna: "One side of the antenna feedline is attached to the
lower end of the monopole, and the other side is attached to the ground
plane, which is often the Earth."

Dipole antenna: "A dipole antenna is a straight electrical conductor
measuring 1/2 wavelength from end to end and connected at the center to a
radio-frequency (RF) feed line. This antenna, also called a doublet, is
one of the simplest types of antenna, and constitutes the main RF
radiating and receiving element in various sophisticated types of
antennas. The dipole is inherently a balanced antenna, because it is
bilaterally symmetrical. Ideally, a dipole antenna is fed with a balanced,
parallel-wire RF transmission line"

The Hertz dipole was symmetrical.

The radio-amateurs use the name "dipole" for a monopole.
It is not wrong because they do not use the name monopole.
S*

Hello Szczepan.
Your definition of a dipole is wrong. A dipole is not a "straight electrical
conductor measuring 1/2 wavelength ".

Szczepan Bialek wrote:

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"Szczepan Bialek" wrote in message
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If not, than you heve the monopole. But it is nothing wrong if in your
community it is call "dipole".
S*

Hello Szczepan. The monopole and dipole aerials are definitely two
different
aerials and it would be wrong to call a monopole a dipole.

Monopole antenna: "One side of the antenna feedline is attached to the lower
end of the monopole, and the other side is attached to the ground plane,
which is often the Earth."

Yes, and there in ONE element.

Dipole antenna: "A dipole antenna is a straight electrical conductor
measuring 1/2 wavelength from end to end and connected at the center to a
radio-frequency (RF) feed line. This antenna, also called a doublet, is one
of the simplest types of antenna, and constitutes the main RF radiating and
receiving element in various sophisticated types of antennas. The dipole is
inherently a balanced antenna, because it is bilaterally symmetrical.
Ideally, a dipole antenna is fed with a balanced, parallel-wire RF
transmission line"

Yes, and there are TWO elements.

The Hertz dipole was symmetrical.

A dipole is symmetrical by definition, idiot.

The radio-amateurs use the name "dipole" for a monopole.

No, they do not, you babbling, ineducable idiot.

It is not wrong because they do not use the name monopole.

It is nonsense because radio amateurs do NOT call a monopole a dipole.

You are a babbling, ineducable idiot.

How many antennas have you built in your lifetime.

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Szczepan Bialek wrote:


Monopole antenna: "One side of the antenna feedline is attached to the
lower
end of the monopole, and the other side is attached to the ground plane,
which is often the Earth."

Yes, and there in ONE element.

Dipole antenna: "A dipole antenna is a straight electrical conductor
measuring 1/2 wavelength from end to end and connected at the center to a
radio-frequency (RF) feed line. This antenna, also called a doublet, is
one
of the simplest types of antenna, and constitutes the main RF radiating
and
receiving element in various sophisticated types of antennas. The dipole
is
inherently a balanced antenna, because it is bilaterally symmetrical.
Ideally, a dipole antenna is fed with a balanced, parallel-wire RF
transmission line"

Yes, and there are TWO elements.

The Hertz dipole was symmetrical.

A dipole is symmetrical by definition, idiot.

The "dipole" where one element is connected to "live" wire and the second
to a "ground" is the monopole.
Yours "dipoles" are not symmetrical (electrically0. They are symmetrical
mechanically.
S*