On Sat, 5 Dec 2015, Phil Kyle wrote:

On 05/12/15 12:16, Jimbo in the Borders ... wrote:

I admit it ....I wasn't beat up ...


I suggest ignoring Gareth for the rest of Dec. Not crowing about shunning, or
talking around him, just plain ignoring his posts.


YOu could just reply on topic, and then let the conversation go that way,
instead of it always turning to the usual ruckus.

Most threads he starts can be interpreted as on topic, and an excuse to
post something on topic. If others joined in, these places would be
better, but instead the usual crowd comes out and wants to "shun" him.

I've never looked in the UK newsgroup, all I see is when what happens
there falls out to the rec.radio.amateur.* hierarchy. Maybe there is a
real grievance, maybe not, but out here, I see people more interested in
attackhing him than talking about amateur radio.

Michael

On 12/5/2015 10:40 AM, Michael Black wrote:
On Sat, 5 Dec 2015, Phil Kyle wrote:

On 05/12/15 12:16, Jimbo in the Borders ... wrote:

I admit it ....I wasn't beat up ...


I suggest ignoring Gareth for the rest of Dec. Not crowing about
shunning, or talking around him, just plain ignoring his posts.


YOu could just reply on topic, and then let the conversation go that
way, instead of it always turning to the usual ruckus.

Most threads he starts can be interpreted as on topic, and an excuse to
post something on topic. If others joined in, these places would be
better, but instead the usual crowd comes out and wants to "shun" him.

I've never looked in the UK newsgroup, all I see is when what happens
there falls out to the rec.radio.amateur.* hierarchy. Maybe there is a
real grievance, maybe not, but out here, I see people more interested in
attackhing him than talking about amateur radio.

Unfortunately there are some who have legitimate gripes with Gareth.
Those who he has sought to harm. They feel compelled to share their
trouble in no small part to warn others how dangerous he can be. They
sometimes post regardless of any bans or shuns.

Then there are others who just can't resist piling on because it is fun.
All in all this group has a very marginal signal to noise ratio.
Sometimes the group is ok, but then a brouhaha will break out and the
group is possessed by demons for a week or two.

Then there is the ongoing discussion of how to deal with him. It also
detracts from the small, but useful technical content of the group. So
many people have opinions they wish to share about how to deal with the
noise level, meanwhile adding to it just as my post has done.

--

Rick

"rickman" wrote in message
...

Unfortunately there are some who have legitimate gripes with Gareth.

Untrue.
Those who he has sought to harm.

I have never sought to harm anybody. I have, however, used the Internet
to assert the right of reply when that same Internet has been used to
blacken my name.

They feel compelled to share their trouble in no small part to warn
others how dangerous he can be.

I am not dangerous. I am a peace-loving pacifist. Are you making this up as
you go along?

Then there are others who just can't resist piling on because it is fun.

We agree on one thing

Then there is the ongoing discussion of how to deal with him.

No-one who is decent and proper and endeavouring to promote these
NGs as technical fora needs to be "dealt with".

Perahps it is a discredit to you that you have sided with the gratuitously
abusive children?

On Sat, 05 Dec 2015 16:16:55 +0000, gareth wrote:

"rickman" wrote in message
...

Unfortunately there are some who have legitimate gripes with Gareth.

Untrue.
Those who he has sought to harm.

I have never sought to harm anybody. I have, however, used the Internet
to assert the right of reply when that same Internet has been used to
blacken my name.

It's a real travesty of justice that the judge didn't agree with you,
Gareth.

"This email was sent with the sole intent of getting Mr Reay removed from
his position because you and you alone deemed him to be unsuitable as a
teacher. In that sense this was offensive to Mr Reay. "

He even went as far as suggesting that you're not of "right mind"

"This is childish, humorous banter that no one in their right mind would
take seriously. "

How are the preparations for the appeal coming along, Gareth? You haven't
mentioned it in quite some time.

"Michael Black" wrote in message
news:alpine.LNX.2.02.1512051037460.16706@darkstar. example.org...
Most threads he starts can be interpreted as on topic, and an excuse to
post something on topic.

Indeed they are just that, and also a defence by a decent right-thinking
individual
against the infantile and anti-social effluent that comes from so many
others.

I've been a subscriber to uk.radio.amateur for 21 years and am increasingly
concerned
that a cornerstone of amateur radio in Brit is being driven down from its
position as an exemplar of gentlemanly and technical discussion, and so I
try to
fly the flag for those traditions.

As I said elsewhere, 43 years ago I completed an electronics degree,
specialising
in computers and communications, and am now in a position as a retired
engineer
to discuss those things that puzzled me and which were never explained at
the time in the rush to
be able to regurgitate facts in order to pass exams. I have assumed,
possibly wrongly,
that the spirit of enquiry and technical curiosity was what motivated all
radio amateurs.

I'm a great believer that education should deliver understanding as opposed
to training that
only delivers knowledge.

If you had a teenage daughter, which would you prefer her to receive, sex
education or sex training?

On Sat, 5 Dec 2015 16:12:31 -0000, "gareth"
wrote:

As I said elsewhere, 43 years ago I completed an electronics degree,
specialising in computers and communications, and am now in a position
as a retired engineer to discuss those things that puzzled me and
which were never explained ...

Retired engineer with a degree? I would never have suspected that you
had any level of electronic competence beyond basic dabbling, much
less an engineering degree, which incidentally doesn't exist unless
you obtained a general engineering degree. Which university, what
degree, and in what year did you graduate (presumably 1972)? I want
to verify your claims.

Citing from
(And that is despite that in my last 10 years of gainful employment
I was designing test eqpt for mobile phone development!)

10 years designing test equipment should have given you considerable
experience in radio techniques, terminology, and in particular
standards. Yet, you seem to lack the relevant technical vocabulary
preferring CB lingo over proper engineering terms. You've also never
mentioned any testing RF testing standards. It's also odd that you
claim to have worked in the industry, yet have never offered an
anecdote, story, math, or calculation from your unspecified years of
employment. Something is wrong here.

I'm a great believer that education should deliver understanding as opposed
to training that only delivers knowledge.

This is not directed at you in particular, but in my never humble
opinion and limited experience in edukation, the best that can be done
is to overload the student with as much relevant and diverse
knowledge, facts, and techniques as possible. What they do with it
will be determined after they graduate and go to work. Experience is
the best teacher.

At the time I graduated (1971) college, teaching methods revolved
around independent thinking. Collaboration was deemed cheating.
Teamwork was tolerated only if there was a shortage of lab equipment.
All that has fortunately changed today, but it left it's mark on me. I
initially had a VERY difficult time working with other engineers and
technicians simply because I had never done it in skool.

If you had a teenage daughter, which would you prefer her to receive, sex
education or sex training?

There's not much you can tell a teenager. They already know
everything.

--
Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

give me my cat back .....
http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/pics/dri...at-warmer.html

On Sat, 5 Dec 2015 21:02:33 -0000, "Jimbo in the Borders ..."
wrote:

give me my cat back .....
http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/pics/dri...at-warmer.html

That's my neighbors cat and laptop. Cats like to be where it's warm.
I had just tried to move her so I could use the laptop, but she had
other ideas, which explains the her expression. I settled for a bad
photo and found another computer.

You can't have her because she's solely responsible for clearing the
neighborhood of various rodents. Last week, she chased away a much
larger bobcat that was trying to attack the chicken coop.

Unfortunately, she's quite old and may not be around for much longer.

--
Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

"Jeff Liebermann" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 5 Dec 2015 21:02:33 -0000, "Jimbo in the Borders ..."
wrote:

give me my cat back .....
http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/pics/dri...at-warmer.html

That's my neighbors cat and laptop. Cats like to be where it's warm.
I had just tried to move her so I could use the laptop, but she had
other ideas, which explains the her expression. I settled for a bad
photo and found another computer.

You can't have her because she's solely responsible for clearing the
neighborhood of various rodents. Last week, she chased away a much
larger bobcat that was trying to attack the chicken coop.

Unfortunately, she's quite old and may not be around for much longer.

mine is the uglyist fat cat in the world .....

At 21:14:53 on Sat, 5 Dec 2015, Jimbo in the Borders ...
wrote in :


"Jeff Liebermann" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 5 Dec 2015 21:02:33 -0000, "Jimbo in the Borders ..."
wrote:

give me my cat back .....
http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/pics/dri...at-warmer.html

That's my neighbors cat and laptop. Cats like to be where it's warm.
I had just tried to move her so I could use the laptop, but she had
other ideas, which explains the her expression. I settled for a bad
photo and found another computer.

You can't have her because she's solely responsible for clearing the
neighborhood of various rodents. Last week, she chased away a much
larger bobcat that was trying to attack the chicken coop.

Unfortunately, she's quite old and may not be around for much longer.

mine is the uglyist fat cat in the world .....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytQehQJXpow
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