Please re-read Phil's reply again. You missed the point as to each
administration is free to do as they please. So far, the FCC has not seen
to eliminate the Morse requirement. Period.

73 from Rochester, NY
Jim



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Phil,

So how's retirement going

73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA


"Phil Kane" wrote in message
.net...
On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 15:10:39 -0400, Spamhater wrote:

Seems to me, the other Keith is too lazy to read the rules and
regulations
and instead wants a hand out. He needs to REALLY sit down and read the
rules
and regulations or have them read to him and get a grasp on the fact that
you can't just do as you damned well please.

Or listen to accurate interpretations by a local communications
attorney who is willing to teach him without charge (ahem).

He does the same thing on local scanner nets, too.

Ready for this one...... he is an EXTRA Class licensee. I'm not
going to "out" him further - at this stage.

Why is he jumping up and down like a monkey on a string?

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73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane

From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon




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"gw" wrote in message
om...
Dwight Stewart wrote in message
...
"Bill Sohl" wrote:

The FCC could, however, make rules changes
which are based on the new treaty because
the OLD treaty is gone, done, defunct,
over...even if the US never ratified the
new treaty. No nation is now bound by the
old treaty at all.


I asked Phil about something similar a few weeks ago, and he seemed to
think it was not possible. After further research, I tend to agree with
him.
It does look like the changes to that treaty will have to be ratified
first.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

hey look twistie .......its aaaron h voobner..........hey numbnutts i
thought you were supposed to move to europe.....


I thought I was aaaron h voobner?

On 26 Jul 2003 22:30:49 -0700, (gimmie freebie)
wrote:

Hey Keith may be you can help me. I have been diagnosed as a dyslexic
and have ADD. My disability prevents me from concentrating for more
than a few minutes so I can't take any code test or written test let
alone study for them.

I managed with both, so I figure you can, too.

May not be as easy as some folks, but it's time you studied.

snip
--
Nobody but a fool goes into a federal counterrorism operation without duct tape - Richard Preston, THE COBRA EVENT.

"C" wrote in message
...

My only gripe with the code is the testing. It is stated as a 5 word
per minute test. When I challenged the test a few weeks ago I found that
it is actually anywhere from 13 to 18 words per minute, not 5 words per
minute. The 5 words per minute is a lie....

Why not tell it like it is.... Those giving the test do not want to make
it easy for anyone who has a learning disability or not. I have never
been able to memorize anything easily when in school, and was accused of
being from lazy to stupid. My father told me that I was ignorant because
I was partly colorblind. I do not want sympathy, just after studying for
almost a year to pass the 5 word per minute test for what it is suppose
to be not what someone who is more proficient with the code wants it to
be.....

If my General CSCE expires again (this will be #2) I will never take it
again and will have lost desire in a hobby that I grew up working in for
the last 39 years.......

C.





In article ,
"Spamhater" wrote:

"Keith" wrote in message
...
On 27 Jul 2003 15:22:47 -0700, (Rich) wrote:

I know a bed ridden quad who dictated 20 wpm to his wife.He uses a
straw
cw keyer.

Can he hear? That is what we are talking about.

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http://www.kilowatt-radio.org/

There are cases where flashing lights are used for such a thing OR
vibrating
surfaces..... so being deaf is no excuse either. There ARE provisions.
The
main thing is, that IF the person is that handicapped, it is up to THEM
or
their family to provide any testing accessories to suit their needs, to
allow the VEs to send the text. The VEs are not required to provide
specialized equipment to cater to the handicaps needs.



Not trying to be a smart ass here...but...how do you know it was 13 if you
say you can't copy 13???. Could it be he was sending the characters fast
and making the spacing long. I.E. Farnsworth method, which is the
recomended way to conduct a test?

If you want to quit. Thats your choice. I would suggest you go to a
different test place with different folks instead.

Dan/W4NTI

On 28 Jul 2003 20:12:07 GMT, (Michael Black) wrote:

Over the 31 years since I've been licensed, my impression is that
amateur radio has increasingly disappeared from public view.

I agree with you 100%. The reason in my opinion is that the ARRL kept the
morse code requirement for HF access and that kept a lot of my teenage friends
out of ham radio way back in 1982 and through the present day.
Today kids now have instant voice communications via the Internet and cell
phones and can even send pictures and text messages with their phones. Now that
the Internet is here and advanced digital cellphone is in every middle class
kids pocket technology has passed by ham radio.
Hams are the now the old technology brushed aside by technology advances. The
ARRL just couldn't let code die and now it is too late. IMHO.

--
The Radio Page Ham, Police Scanner, Shortwave and more.
http://www.kilowatt-radio.org/

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message
y.com...

"C" wrote in message
...

My only gripe with the code is the testing. It is stated as a 5 word
per minute test. When I challenged the test a few weeks ago I found that
it is actually anywhere from 13 to 18 words per minute, not 5 words per
minute. The 5 words per minute is a lie....


The test is given at 5 words per minute. They use a faster character
speed
but make the letters further apart. It is actually easier this way
because
the brain has more time to react to the character before it has to go on
to
the next one.

Why not tell it like it is.... Those giving the test do not want to make
it easy for anyone who has a learning disability or not. I have never
been able to memorize anything easily when in school, and was accused of
being from lazy to stupid. My father told me that I was ignorant because
I was partly colorblind. I do not want sympathy, just after studying for
almost a year to pass the 5 word per minute test for what it is suppose
to be not what someone who is more proficient with the code wants it to
be.....


If you were memorizing the code, that was the problem. That's not the
right
way to learn it. There's quite a bit of material out there on the
internet
on the right way to learn code. For starters, work towards a reflex
reaction. i.e. Hear the sound, write the letter. Don't think about the
dots and dashes. Practice every day for 30 mintues per day EVERY day or
almost everyday. There are lots of computer programs out there you can
download from the internet and every person has their favorite. Set it
for
an 18wpm character speed but 5wpm word speed. Try the G4FON program.
It's
available for free on the internet. I apologize for not posting the
website
but I don't happen to have it anymore.

Practicing once or twice a week won't get it. You fall too far backwards
between sessions. Memorizing dots and dashes and then trying to write the
letter slows you down so that you can't keep up.

Read "The Art and Skill of Radiotelegraphy". It's available for free on
the
internet. The author did extensive research on how code should be
studied.
The biggest problem is that too many people are told to use study methods
that hold a person back rather than move them forward. Another problem is
unrealistic expections. They see the whiz kids get it in a week and think
they should be able to do the same. They're the exception not the rule.

The code is far easier than most things that you have learned in life if
you
find the correct way to study it and put in the amount of time needed.


If my General CSCE expires again (this will be #2) I will never take it
again and will have lost desire in a hobby that I grew up working in for
the last 39 years.......

C.

Don't give up. Work with modern training methods and you can do it.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


What you just described, about memorizing the code, happened to me. I
started to try to learn the code at 12 years old. My mom bought me a
record...yeah thats right A RECORD..hi. And I thought I was hot stuff...but
when I actually tried to receive CW off the air, at a very slow rate.
Listened in the Novice bands. I found I didn't know a thing.

A local ham told me I had memorized the record. And that is exactly what
happened. He then gave me the ARRL license manual with the proper method
and helped when he could.

I eventually RE-LEARNED Morse and got it right. I passed the Novice and in
3 months passed the 13WPM General in front of the FCC.

I am not solid at 40 or so.

So Dee's advice is right on target.

Dan/W4NTI

"Dick Carroll;" wrote in message ...

If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck......

Maybe he's a Dick.

I asked why it seemed so fast. I was told by the VE that he gives all
code test at least 13 words per minute if not faster.....

I have sent out a couple of e-mails requesting imformation of how tests
are given ie, speed and if fonsworth method was used. I do not wnat to
know the test iteslf as that would defeat the purpose of the testing
session. I have yet to receive an answer from any VE...

All I ask for is to know what speed I need to be studying as it all
sounds different to me at each speed....



Not trying to be a smart ass here...but...how do you know it was 13 if you
say you can't copy 13???. Could it be he was sending the characters fast
and making the spacing long. I.E. Farnsworth method, which is the
recomended way to conduct a test?

If you want to quit. Thats your choice. I would suggest you go to a
different test place with different folks instead.

Dan/W4NTI

"Keith" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 27 Jul 2003 16:57:14 GMT, "Carl R. Stevenson"
wrote:

. the FCC has records
of who has code credit and who doesn't, so no-code Techs should
NOT, repeat NOT, try to use HF.

You are ignorant. The FCC has no idea if a tech has passed a morse code
proficiency test and has a CSCE in their hand.

--
The Radio Page Ham, Police Scanner, Shortwave and more.
http://www.kilowatt-radio.org/


Keith, why don't you solicit the opinions of some deaf hams? There is a
group called HandiHams that you could ask--if they would respond. You could
also get on eHam.net, and qrz.com and pose the question in the forums. The
question, I suppose, would be: Do you, as a deaf ham, agree that the
government should require that you pass a minimum CW requirement for amateur
radio privileges at that level?

My guess is most deaf hams are not going to mind a bit. Note that I said
*most.* I am sure there are some out there that may object.

Kim W5TIT


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