"Keith" wrote in message
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On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 12:17:08 -0400, Dwight Stewart
wrote:

Technician Plus license holder

The FCC does not issue technician plus license any more so I guess no one
can
operate on 10 meters that has passed the tech license test?

Hey Dwight have you ever driven 56 in 55 mph zone?


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Hey Keith, do actually know the FCC rules? They did stop issuing the novice
and tech plus licenses, but the requiremenmts are still there. Now if a tech
passes element one thet are still a tech but witt the same HF priviledges as
a novice. They have to keep there CSCE as proof. The treaty stated that it
no longer requires code, but would leave it up to the individual countries
to set the rules, and UNTIL the fcc says CW is no longer needed, then the
same rules apply as before the WRC treaty change.

73 de Keith

"Dwight Stewart" wrote in message
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"Keith" wrote:

Dwight, There is no way for anyone to know if
a tech license has passed a morse code test
and all techs have voice privileges for 28.3-
28.5 MHz. What is the FCC going to do run
around and check every tech license holder?
Besides would you rather give up ten meters
to truckers and CBers?


I would not do what you're seeking even if there was absolutely no
chance
at all for the FCC to catch me. When I joined the Amateur Radio community,
I
made a commitment to abide by the rules and regulations associated with
it.
That commitment is not based on the FCC's enforcement ability, but my own
sense of what is good for this community. I personally benefit from a
community that has an equal commitment to abide by the rules and
regulations. I therefore would not do anything to upset that situation.

I suspect you will eventually find that most other Technician license
holders have a similar commitment to abide by the rules and regulation.

By the way, your statement that "all techs have voice privileges for
28.3-28.5 MHz" is simply not true - only a Technician Plus license holder
(a
Tech who has also passed the 5wpm code test) is allowed to operate on
those
frequencies.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/


And, as I understand it, only until they "renew" or change their callsign,
correct? In other words, when I renew my license, or if I change my
callsign, I would only be licensed as a Technician, I think.

Kim W5TIT


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"Keith" wrote:

Dwight, There is no way for anyone to know if
a tech license has passed a morse code test
and all techs have voice privileges for 28.3-
28.5 MHz. What is the FCC going to do run
around and check every tech license holder?
Besides would you rather give up ten meters
to truckers and CBers?


I would not do what you're seeking even if there was absolutely no
chance
at all for the FCC to catch me. When I joined the Amateur Radio
community,
I
made a commitment to abide by the rules and regulations associated with
it.
That commitment is not based on the FCC's enforcement ability, but my
own
sense of what is good for this community. I personally benefit from a
community that has an equal commitment to abide by the rules and
regulations. I therefore would not do anything to upset that situation.

I suspect you will eventually find that most other Technician license
holders have a similar commitment to abide by the rules and regulation.

By the way, your statement that "all techs have voice privileges for
28.3-28.5 MHz" is simply not true - only a Technician Plus license
holder
(a
Tech who has also passed the 5wpm code test) is allowed to operate on
those
frequencies.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/


And, as I understand it, only until they "renew" or change their callsign,
correct? In other words, when I renew my license, or if I change my
callsign, I would only be licensed as a Technician, I think.

Kim W5TIT

Your license will say Technician but you will retain your Tecnician Plus
privileges forever (or until you upgrade to General) assuming that you keep
your license current. Since the FCC database will no longer show the
difference, keep a copy of your old Technician Plus license and/or your
Technician Plus CSCE to be able to prove that you have those priviliges.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

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"Kim W5TIT" wrote in message
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"Dwight Stewart" wrote in message
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"Keith" wrote:

Dwight, There is no way for anyone to know if
a tech license has passed a morse code test
and all techs have voice privileges for 28.3-
28.5 MHz. What is the FCC going to do run
around and check every tech license holder?
Besides would you rather give up ten meters
to truckers and CBers?


I would not do what you're seeking even if there was absolutely no
chance
at all for the FCC to catch me. When I joined the Amateur Radio
community,
I
made a commitment to abide by the rules and regulations associated
with
it.
That commitment is not based on the FCC's enforcement ability, but my
own
sense of what is good for this community. I personally benefit from a
community that has an equal commitment to abide by the rules and
regulations. I therefore would not do anything to upset that
situation.

I suspect you will eventually find that most other Technician
license
holders have a similar commitment to abide by the rules and
regulation.

By the way, your statement that "all techs have voice privileges for
28.3-28.5 MHz" is simply not true - only a Technician Plus license
holder
(a
Tech who has also passed the 5wpm code test) is allowed to operate on
those
frequencies.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/


And, as I understand it, only until they "renew" or change their
callsign,
correct? In other words, when I renew my license, or if I change my
callsign, I would only be licensed as a Technician, I think.

Kim W5TIT

Your license will say Technician but you will retain your Tecnician Plus
privileges forever (or until you upgrade to General) assuming that you
keep
your license current. Since the FCC database will no longer show the
difference, keep a copy of your old Technician Plus license and/or your
Technician Plus CSCE to be able to prove that you have those priviliges.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


AH...OK. Well, that's good news to the folks who surely would have wished
to keep the little bit of HF that they've got.

Kim W5TIT


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"Kim W5TIT" wrote:

And, as I understand it, only until they
"renew" or change their callsign, correct?
In other words, when I renew my license, or
if I change my callsign, I would only be
licensed as a Technician, I think.

Kim W5TIT


Thanks for a quote of Kim's message, Dee.

Sorry, Kim, I'm still having problems reading your messages (the same
problem as before). I don't know if it's my server, your server, some
software setting, or something else entirely. I haven't blocked your
messages. I checked to make sure of that. They're still showing up in the
newsgroup message list. However, whenever I select one to read, I get an
error message saying the message is no longer on the server.

Occasionally one will slip through that I can read, but 99 percent of your
messages result in the same error. Again, this doesn't happen to messages
from anyone else. In fact, your messages are the only times I've seen this
error message at all.

If this isn't happening to anyone else here (and nobody else has said
anything), I can only assume the problem is with my server. So, it looks
like the problem will remain until I switch servers (something I'm planning
to do soon anyway). When it stops, I'll let you know.

Of course, if you reply to this, I'll probably never see the reply. So, if
you have something to say in reply, send it by email instead.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

"Keith" wrote in message
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On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 03:29:59 -0400, Dwight Stewart
wrote:

" wrote:

Let the FCC know that they can no longer keep you
from your right to use the ten meter band allocation
if you are a technician licensee. (snip)

You don't have to use your identity, (snip)

(snip) I will be on the air and I hope 10,000 or
more no code technicians will join me. (snip)


And I suspect anyone who did this would find himself very much alone
on
those frequencies. Only an idiot would risk his license doing something
like
this. That and your provocative email address, should be enough to
convince
most you message is nothing more than a message trolling for suckers
foolish
enough to take it seriously.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

Dwight, There is no way for anyone to know if a tech license has passed a
morse code test and all techs have voice privileges for 28.3-28.5 MHz.
What is the FCC going to do run around and check every tech license
holder?
Besides would you rather give up ten meters to truckers and CBers?


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The Radio Page Ham, Police Scanner, Shortwave and more.
http://www.kilowatt-radio.org/

Thats not the point Keith.

Item one there is no "RIGHT" to the ten meter sub-band to a Technician
licensee. It is a PRIVILIDGE. Turn your license over and read that part.

Item two by doing such a thing only proves what us 'coders' have said over
and over. Its all about a bunch of CB outlaws that are trying to destroy
Amateur Radio by bringing the lawless tactics and attituded to the ARS.

Come to think of it...Go ahead boneheads. Show the FCC we were right.

Dan/W4NTI

"Keith" wrote in message
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On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 03:29:59 -0400, Dwight Stewart
wrote:

" wrote:

Let the FCC know that they can no longer keep you
from your right to use the ten meter band allocation
if you are a technician licensee. (snip)

You don't have to use your identity, (snip)

(snip) I will be on the air and I hope 10,000 or
more no code technicians will join me. (snip)


And I suspect anyone who did this would find himself very much alone
on
those frequencies. Only an idiot would risk his license doing something
like
this. That and your provocative email address, should be enough to
convince
most you message is nothing more than a message trolling for suckers
foolish
enough to take it seriously.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

Dwight, There is no way for anyone to know if a tech license has passed a
morse code test and all techs have voice privileges for 28.3-28.5 MHz.
What is the FCC going to do run around and check every tech license
holder?
Besides would you rather give up ten meters to truckers and CBers?


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The Radio Page Ham, Police Scanner, Shortwave and more.
http://www.kilowatt-radio.org/

Whoa!!!

Per the FCC website:

"Technician
The privileges of a Technician Class operator license include operating
stations while transmitting on channels in any of 17 frequency bands above
50 MHz with up to 1,500 watts of power. To pass the Technician Class
examination, at least 26 questions from a 35 question written examination
must be answered correctly. A Technician Class licensee who also has passed
a 5 words-per-minute (wpm) telegraphy examination receives privileges in
four long distance shortwave bands in the HF range (3-30 MHz) (Refer to
Section 97.301)."

So, Techs don't have phone privileges from 28.3-28.5. Not only that, they
don't have voice priveleges *anywhere* below 50 MHz.

Kim W5TIT


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On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 00:48:08 -0700, Keith
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Dwight, There is no way for anyone to know if a tech license has passed a
morse code test and all techs have voice privileges for 28.3-28.5 MHz.

First of all, all Techs do not have the voice privileges you
mentioned. Only Techs with Element 1 credit have those privileges.

As for your assertion that there is no way for anyone to know the
difference - Sure there is. Those who passed the test have:

1. A license (even if it's expired) in his/her name showing a class
that had the code test as a requirement, OR

2. A Certificate of Successful Completion of Examination (CSCE) for
Element 1, OR

3. Both.

Consider this: hams do not live, or operate, in a vaccuum. Other
people who live near you know who you are. Chances are that they also
know whether you're a no-code Tech or one who has passed a code test.
If not, they can always ask you, and ask to see proof of having
Element 1 credit.

Now, there may be no legal requirement for you to show it to them, BUT
you see, anyone with code credit will be proud of that fact and
happily show proof of having it...so if you refuse, all anyone has to
do is advise FCC that you were heard on HF and refused to provide
proof of having qualified for HF privileges when asked to do so. At
that point, FCC sends you a letter asking to see proof of your having
passed a code test. Refuse to prove to FCC that you have operating
authority to operate where you were operating, and you leave yourself
wide open to FCC enforcement action up to including the revocation of
your license, a hefty fine, confiscation of your equipment...get the
idea? Ham radio is not like CB where nobody cares whether you follow
the rules or not. The amateur radio service is self-policing. When
other hams hear you operating beyond the authority granted to you by
your license, they WILL blow you in to FCC, period.

What is the FCC going to do run around and check every tech license holder?

No running around necessary. You get a letter in the mail. You either
respond to the letter or face the consequences.

Besides would you rather give up ten meters to truckers and CBers?

The 10m band is in no danger of being reallocated to CB. Beyond that,
there is no difference as far as I'm concerned between unlicensed
pirates operating on a ham band and hams operating beyond the
authority of their licenses. Both are operating where they have no
authority to operate. Full stop, end of story.

DE John, KC2HMZ