Bob McConnell wrote:
On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 14:33:32 +0200, "Sigurd Stenersen"
wrote:

Jerseyj wrote:
Too band there isn't a Linux or MacOS version!

Well, this is a hobby project and I have to select how I want to
spend the little time I have for hobbies. Currently, I choose to
add more features to Just Learn Morse Code and later I might want to
spend some time on regular ham activities rather than just extending
my working hours without being paid...

One user reported that the executable runs just fine on Linux under
the WINE emulator, tho.

If you published the source under the GPL, you might find a few people
interested in porting it to a real OS. I wouldn't dare install DirectX
on any computer with a NIC, but don't have any use for a box without
one.

Really ? Wow ! How incredibly interesting...


LB3KB, Sigurd

On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 03:16:40 +0200, Sigurd Stenersen wrote:

Bob McConnell wrote:
On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 14:33:32 +0200, "Sigurd Stenersen"
wrote:

Jerseyj wrote:
Too band there isn't a Linux or MacOS version!

Well, this is a hobby project and I have to select how I want to spend
the little time I have for hobbies. Currently, I choose to add more
features to Just Learn Morse Code and later I might want to spend some
time on regular ham activities rather than just extending my working
hours without being paid...

One user reported that the executable runs just fine on Linux under the
WINE emulator, tho.

If you published the source under the GPL, you might find a few people
interested in porting it to a real OS. I wouldn't dare install DirectX
on any computer with a NIC, but don't have any use for a box without
one.

Really ? Wow ! How incredibly interesting...


LB3KB, Sigurd

Interesting because someone else might be interested in the code, or
because someone actually cares about the security of their computers?

Bob McConnell
N2SPP

Bob McConnell wrote:
On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 03:16:40 +0200, Sigurd Stenersen wrote:

Bob McConnell wrote:
On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 14:33:32 +0200, "Sigurd Stenersen"
wrote:

Jerseyj wrote:
Too band there isn't a Linux or MacOS version!

Well, this is a hobby project and I have to select how I want to
spend the little time I have for hobbies. Currently, I choose to
add more features to Just Learn Morse Code and later I might want
to spend some time on regular ham activities rather than just
extending my working hours without being paid...

One user reported that the executable runs just fine on Linux
under the WINE emulator, tho.

If you published the source under the GPL, you might find a few
people interested in porting it to a real OS. I wouldn't dare
install DirectX on any computer with a NIC, but don't have any use
for a box without one.

Really ? Wow ! How incredibly interesting...

Interesting because someone else might be interested in the code, or
because someone actually cares about the security of their computers?

Neither. I was being ironic.

Why don't you just make your own software and throw it away like that, if
you have the skills ? Or are you just bitching because you don't have the
ability ?

So far, I'm the only one giving away great work for free here...


LB3KB, Sigurd

On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 02:10:36 +0200, Sigurd Stenersen wrote:

Bob McConnell wrote:
On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 03:16:40 +0200, Sigurd Stenersen wrote:

Bob McConnell wrote:
On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 14:33:32 +0200, "Sigurd Stenersen"
wrote:

Jerseyj wrote:
Too band there isn't a Linux or MacOS version!

Well, this is a hobby project and I have to select how I want to
spend the little time I have for hobbies. Currently, I choose to add
more features to Just Learn Morse Code and later I might want to
spend some time on regular ham activities rather than just extending
my working hours without being paid...

One user reported that the executable runs just fine on Linux under
the WINE emulator, tho.

If you published the source under the GPL, you might find a few people
interested in porting it to a real OS. I wouldn't dare install DirectX
on any computer with a NIC, but don't have any use for a box without
one.

Really ? Wow ! How incredibly interesting...

Interesting because someone else might be interested in the code, or
because someone actually cares about the security of their computers?

Neither. I was being ironic.

Why don't you just make your own software and throw it away like that, if
you have the skills ? Or are you just bitching because you don't have the
ability ?

So far, I'm the only one giving away great work for free here...


LB3KB, Sigurd

I can and have written code to give away, as well as finding bugs,
indentifying fixes and adding enhancements for other programs. I attempt
to contribute back to any project that I use and some that I only
considered using. But my expertise is in communications and embedded
systems with no user interface. Most of my targets don't have a disk
drive, keyboard, display or an X86 CPU. I usually work is in 'C' and
assembler and ocassionally have to write my own interrupt service
routines. So while the back end is easy, I don't have a clue how to create
a working user interface.

I prefer the GPL so that if someone wants to use my code to make money,
they either share all their code or come talk to me about using a
different license and share some of the money. On the other hand, one of
the advantages of the GPL is that if just 10 people contribute one hour
each to a project, they all get ten hours of value back. But to create the
most value, each should work in an area where they are proficient.

Bob McConnell
N2SPP

Bob McConnell wrote:
On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 02:10:36 +0200, Sigurd Stenersen wrote:


Bob McConnell wrote:

On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 03:16:40 +0200, Sigurd Stenersen wrote:


Bob McConnell wrote:

On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 14:33:32 +0200, "Sigurd Stenersen"
wrote:


Jerseyj wrote:

Too band there isn't a Linux or MacOS version!

Well, this is a hobby project and I have to select how I want to
spend the little time I have for hobbies. Currently, I choose to add
more features to Just Learn Morse Code and later I might want to
spend some time on regular ham activities rather than just extending
my working hours without being paid...

One user reported that the executable runs just fine on Linux under
the WINE emulator, tho.

That was me who reported it. I used a 6 month old version of WINE and
a current version of WINE in two differenct computers. One had the
standard OSS sound system and one had the commercial 4Front Technologies
code for sound setup. One machine is a Quad 6 four Pentium-Pro 333Mhz
cpu machine and the other is a very old PR440FX dual Pentium-Pro 333Mhz.
Only thing that doesn't work is the helpfiles.

To get the program to work under WINE, lift the
Just-Learn-Morse-Code.exe file off of a Windows machine. Stick it in
your Linux box and start it with the usual WINE command. I tried to
do an install using WINE and the .msi program but the install hung up.
Manually getting and using the executable works fine for me.

Sheesh, I gotta work harder. Can send well but receiving is a whole
'nother ballgame. Fired up JLMC last night and gave it a serious go and
it is indeed going to take 30 minutes a night for sometime to get me up
to speed. I was a bit saddened but felt better when I reminded myself
I haven't put myself on a timeframe and still need to study the Tech and
General Manuals. Passed an OnLine tech exam, but I would like to get a
higher score.

Kurt Savegnago

Kurt Savegnago





If you published the source under the GPL, you might find a few people
interested in porting it to a real OS. I wouldn't dare install DirectX
on any computer with a NIC, but don't have any use for a box without
one.

Really ? Wow ! How incredibly interesting...


Interesting because someone else might be interested in the code, or
because someone actually cares about the security of their computers?

Neither. I was being ironic.

Why don't you just make your own software and throw it away like that, if
you have the skills ? Or are you just bitching because you don't have the
ability ?

So far, I'm the only one giving away great work for free here...


LB3KB, Sigurd


I can and have written code to give away, as well as finding bugs,
indentifying fixes and adding enhancements for other programs. I attempt
to contribute back to any project that I use and some that I only
considered using. But my expertise is in communications and embedded
systems with no user interface. Most of my targets don't have a disk
drive, keyboard, display or an X86 CPU. I usually work is in 'C' and
assembler and ocassionally have to write my own interrupt service
routines. So while the back end is easy, I don't have a clue how to create
a working user interface.

I prefer the GPL so that if someone wants to use my code to make money,
they either share all their code or come talk to me about using a
different license and share some of the money. On the other hand, one of
the advantages of the GPL is that if just 10 people contribute one hour
each to a project, they all get ten hours of value back. But to create the
most value, each should work in an area where they are proficient.

Bob McConnell
N2SPP

Kurt wrote:
Sheesh, I gotta work harder. Can send well but receiving is a whole
'nother ballgame. Fired up JLMC last night and gave it a serious go
and it is indeed going to take 30 minutes a night for sometime to get
me up to speed. I was a bit saddened but felt better when I reminded
myself I haven't put myself on a timeframe and still need to study
the Tech and General Manuals. Passed an OnLine tech exam, but I
would like to get a higher score.

What speed setting are you using ?

I think it may be harder learning at below 12 WPM than above. But I suppose
that's bad news if you're aiming for a 5WPM test...


73 de LB3KB, Sigurd
http://justlearnmorsecode.com

Sigurd Stenersen wrote:
Kurt wrote:

Sheesh, I gotta work harder. Can send well but receiving is a whole
'nother ballgame. Fired up JLMC last night and gave it a serious go
and it is indeed going to take 30 minutes a night for sometime to get
me up to speed. I was a bit saddened but felt better when I reminded
myself I haven't put myself on a timeframe and still need to study
the Tech and General Manuals. Passed an OnLine tech exam, but I
would like to get a higher score.


What speed setting are you using ?

I think it may be harder learning at below 12 WPM than above. But I suppose
that's bad news if you're aiming for a 5WPM test...


73 de LB3KB, Sigurd
http://justlearnmorsecode.com



I slowed it down to 10 as I was a bit depressed and I actually haven't
been seriously practicing receiving so I just have to do the 30 minutes
or more a day routine. Use headphones and such.
I memorized by rote the characters and practiced sending in my head
whenever I get the chance. Sending and receiving takes different parts
of the brain to process so I just have to activate the auditory centers.
I did use G4FON's program and other free programs to help me learn the
characters.

The other incentive I have is I am on the shipping list for a Small
Wonders DSW-II 40 meter transceiver kit. When built, I have a dummy
load to work with it but won't plug a key in or transmit until I pass
the test and get assigned a callsign.

A fellow told me he got a rig before he was licensed and used the
receiver to listen and never plugged a key or a mic in. (It was a
considerably pricey rig) It was the incentive for him to keep studying
and worked. It was he who told me that I didn't have to be licensed to
buy a rig and just use it to listen. Just can't send a signal.
(Makes sense to me.)

Kurt Savegnago

On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 18:26:00 +0200, "Sigurd Stenersen"
wrote:

Kurt wrote:
Sheesh, I gotta work harder. Can send well but receiving is a whole
'nother ballgame. Fired up JLMC last night and gave it a serious go
and it is indeed going to take 30 minutes a night for sometime to get
me up to speed. I was a bit saddened but felt better when I reminded
myself I haven't put myself on a timeframe and still need to study
the Tech and General Manuals. Passed an OnLine tech exam, but I
would like to get a higher score.

What speed setting are you using ?

I think it may be harder learning at below 12 WPM than above. But I suppose
that's bad news if you're aiming for a 5WPM test...


73 de LB3KB, Sigurd
http://justlearnmorsecode.com

try chars at 8wpm with spacing at 16
It gives a better sense of the "flow and rhythm" so its easier to
increase speed.
Ed
de KA9AHQ/7
No Voice, No Vice, Novice :-)

and again
Thank You Sigurd.

On 18/10/2005 8:10 PM, Sigurd Stenersen wrote:
Bob McConnell wrote:
On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 03:16:40 +0200, Sigurd Stenersen wrote:

Bob McConnell wrote:
On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 14:33:32 +0200, "Sigurd Stenersen"
wrote:

Jerseyj wrote:
Too band there isn't a Linux or MacOS version!
Well, this is a hobby project and I have to select how I want to
spend the little time I have for hobbies. Currently, I choose to
add more features to Just Learn Morse Code and later I might want
to spend some time on regular ham activities rather than just
extending my working hours without being paid...

One user reported that the executable runs just fine on Linux
under the WINE emulator, tho.

If you published the source under the GPL, you might find a few
people interested in porting it to a real OS. I wouldn't dare
install DirectX on any computer with a NIC, but don't have any use
for a box without one.
Really ? Wow ! How incredibly interesting...

Interesting because someone else might be interested in the code, or
because someone actually cares about the security of their computers?

Neither. I was being ironic.

Why don't you just make your own software and throw it away like that, if
you have the skills ? Or are you just bitching because you don't have the
ability ?

So far, I'm the only one giving away great work for free here...

Well, it is free as in beer, for now. Everyone loves free beer!

Of course, there is more than one kind of "free" when it comes to source
code. The only real reason you might want to hang onto the source is if
you plan on selling it as a proprietary product in the future. Even
then, it may be to your advantage to open the source up to take
advantage of what other people can do. Any copyrights still reside with
you. Allowing someone to spin off a native OS X or Linux version will
only benefit you, as most small software projects never make any money
anyway.

There are more than a few Morse training programs available for free (at
least for Win32.) What is missing is a real solid suite of Morse tools
available under a truly open license.

It still remains to be seen whether or not this software is an example
of "great work" or not

clvrmnky wrote:
On 18/10/2005 8:10 PM, Sigurd Stenersen wrote:
Bob McConnell wrote:
On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 03:16:40 +0200, Sigurd Stenersen wrote:
Bob McConnell wrote:
If you published the source under the GPL, you might find a few
people interested in porting it to a real OS. I wouldn't dare
install DirectX on any computer with a NIC, but don't have any use
for a box without one.

Really ? Wow ! How incredibly interesting...

Interesting because someone else might be interested in the code, or
because someone actually cares about the security of their
computers?

Neither. I was being ironic.

Why don't you just make your own software and throw it away like
that, if you have the skills ? Or are you just bitching because you
don't have the ability ?

So far, I'm the only one giving away great work for free here...

Well, it is free as in beer, for now. Everyone loves free beer!

That's irrelevant. It's great software, and all the feedback I have gotten
(with the exception of that from one or two anonymous "contributors" on
news) supports this fact.

More than four thousand downloads in just a few weeks is another indicator.


The only real reason you might want to hang onto the
source is if you plan on selling it as a proprietary product in the
future.

I don't have any plans to sell this product in the future. I made this as a
contribution to the continued use of Morse code, and the fact that there has
been more than 4,000 downloads in just a few weeks indicate that it is
already a SOLID contribution.

Either way, the source code belongs to me, I decide what to do with it and I
don't feel the need to justify that to anyone.


Even then, it may be to your advantage to open the source up
to take advantage of what other people can do. Any copyrights still
reside with you. Allowing someone to spin off a native OS X or Linux
version will only benefit you, as most small software projects never
make any money anyway.

Point taken. Still, it's my baby, and as I never expected to make money
from it I don't really need any of those "benefits".


There are more than a few Morse training programs available for free
(at least for Win32.)

Yes, there are. So what reason could I possibly have for spending time on
creating this one ? Could it be that most of the others are not all that
good ?


What is missing is a real solid suite of Morse
tools available under a truly open license.

I don't miss that at all.

I have made a solid contribution to the continued use of Morse code. What
have you contributed, besides negativity ?


It still remains to be seen whether or not this software is an example
of "great work" or not

Not for me. Why don't you download it and give it a try, instead of just
working real hard to find something to complain about ?


LB3KB, Sigurd
http://justlearnmorsecode.com