On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 20:57:23 -0400, scharkalvin
wrote:

Does this mean that I died on the operating table during my
open heart surgery last year, and awoke in a different reality
where I am still living?

Did the surgeons tell you they'd lost you for a while there? If so,
you might have been revived in that same reality in the usual way, or
else if such efforts failed, you'd then 'come round' in one of the
other remaining universes in which you didn't die, in an example the
so-called 'weak anthropic principle.'
--

"I believe history will be kind to me, since I intend
to write it." - Winston Churchill

Paul Burridge wrote:
On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 20:57:23 -0400, scharkalvin
wrote:


Does this mean that I died on the operating table during my
open heart surgery last year, and awoke in a different reality
where I am still living?


Did the surgeons tell you they'd lost you for a while there? If so,
you might have been revived in that same reality in the usual way, or
else if such efforts failed, you'd then 'come round' in one of the
other remaining universes in which you didn't die, in an example the
so-called 'weak anthropic principle.'
--

"I believe history will be kind to me, since I intend
to write it." - Winston Churchill

My surgery was actually 'text book', but my recovery was a little
rocky. My lungs filled with fluid and I was moved back into
intensive care a day after being put in a normal recovery room after
the surgery. I was on 100% O2 for a day or so, after they inserted a
needle in my back and drained the fluid (about a liter or two) I was
much better. I was seeing things because of the drugs I was on though.
When ever I closed my eyes I felt like I was floating in a crypt and I saw
gargoyles on the walls with red eyes. They gave me something to help
me relax and then the vision changed....I was now floating in a toy work
shop (north pole?) surrounded by dolls and wooden toys and model trains.
The visions disappeared when I was taken off the O2.

Paul Burridge wrote:
On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 20:57:23 -0400, scharkalvin
wrote:


Does this mean that I died on the operating table during my
open heart surgery last year, and awoke in a different reality
where I am still living?


Did the surgeons tell you they'd lost you for a while there? If so,
you might have been revived in that same reality in the usual way, or
else if such efforts failed, you'd then 'come round' in one of the
other remaining universes in which you didn't die, in an example the
so-called 'weak anthropic principle.'
--

"I believe history will be kind to me, since I intend
to write it." - Winston Churchill

My surgery was actually 'text book', but my recovery was a little
rocky. My lungs filled with fluid and I was moved back into
intensive care a day after being put in a normal recovery room after
the surgery. I was on 100% O2 for a day or so, after they inserted a
needle in my back and drained the fluid (about a liter or two) I was
much better. I was seeing things because of the drugs I was on though.
When ever I closed my eyes I felt like I was floating in a crypt and I saw
gargoyles on the walls with red eyes. They gave me something to help
me relax and then the vision changed....I was now floating in a toy work
shop (north pole?) surrounded by dolls and wooden toys and model trains.
The visions disappeared when I was taken off the O2.

On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 22:22:56 -0400, scharkalvin
wrote:

My surgery was actually 'text book', but my recovery was a little
rocky. My lungs filled with fluid and I was moved back into
intensive care a day after being put in a normal recovery room after
the surgery. I was on 100% O2 for a day or so, after they inserted a
needle in my back and drained the fluid (about a liter or two) I was
much better. I was seeing things because of the drugs I was on though.
When ever I closed my eyes I felt like I was floating in a crypt and I saw
gargoyles on the walls with red eyes. They gave me something to help
me relax and then the vision changed....I was now floating in a toy work
shop (north pole?) surrounded by dolls and wooden toys and model trains.
The visions disappeared when I was taken off the O2.

Interesting. Most people who undergo NDEs report a heavenly experience
that often changes their outlook on life everafter. However, there are
a *small* proportion of NDEs where the subjects report a truly hellish
experience very much worse than you have described. Anyway, that's not
what I was getting at, of course.
I should also point out that the theoretical physicists have not thus
far extended the Quantum Theory of Immortality to encompass anything
beyond *instant* death; the orginal example by Tegal in his Quantum
Suicide Experiment was that of being shot in the head. I don't see any
reason why it should not be so extended to more protracted deaths, and
thinking among those involved in formulating this line of argument is
heading that way, but I'm no quantum pysicist so anyone curious should
follow up the leads I gave earlier in the thread and read up for
themselves.
--

"I believe history will be kind to me, since I intend
to write it." - Winston Churchill

On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 22:22:56 -0400, scharkalvin
wrote:

My surgery was actually 'text book', but my recovery was a little
rocky. My lungs filled with fluid and I was moved back into
intensive care a day after being put in a normal recovery room after
the surgery. I was on 100% O2 for a day or so, after they inserted a
needle in my back and drained the fluid (about a liter or two) I was
much better. I was seeing things because of the drugs I was on though.
When ever I closed my eyes I felt like I was floating in a crypt and I saw
gargoyles on the walls with red eyes. They gave me something to help
me relax and then the vision changed....I was now floating in a toy work
shop (north pole?) surrounded by dolls and wooden toys and model trains.
The visions disappeared when I was taken off the O2.

Interesting. Most people who undergo NDEs report a heavenly experience
that often changes their outlook on life everafter. However, there are
a *small* proportion of NDEs where the subjects report a truly hellish
experience very much worse than you have described. Anyway, that's not
what I was getting at, of course.
I should also point out that the theoretical physicists have not thus
far extended the Quantum Theory of Immortality to encompass anything
beyond *instant* death; the orginal example by Tegal in his Quantum
Suicide Experiment was that of being shot in the head. I don't see any
reason why it should not be so extended to more protracted deaths, and
thinking among those involved in formulating this line of argument is
heading that way, but I'm no quantum pysicist so anyone curious should
follow up the leads I gave earlier in the thread and read up for
themselves.
--

"I believe history will be kind to me, since I intend
to write it." - Winston Churchill

Paul Burridge wrote:

Interesting. Most people who undergo NDEs report a heavenly experience
that often changes their outlook on life everafter. However, there are
a *small* proportion of NDEs where the subjects report a truly hellish
experience very much worse than you have described. . .

Harris poll results reported in the July/August issue of _Skeptical
Inquirer_ reveal that 84% of Americans believe in survival of the soul
after death. 82% believe there's a heaven, and 63% expect to go there.
But while 69% believe in hell, only 1% expect to go there. Wonder if the
"small" proportion happens to be about 1%. . . and wonder if it's the
same ones.

Roy Lewallen, W7EL

Paul Burridge wrote:

Interesting. Most people who undergo NDEs report a heavenly experience
that often changes their outlook on life everafter. However, there are
a *small* proportion of NDEs where the subjects report a truly hellish
experience very much worse than you have described. . .

Harris poll results reported in the July/August issue of _Skeptical
Inquirer_ reveal that 84% of Americans believe in survival of the soul
after death. 82% believe there's a heaven, and 63% expect to go there.
But while 69% believe in hell, only 1% expect to go there. Wonder if the
"small" proportion happens to be about 1%. . . and wonder if it's the
same ones.

Roy Lewallen, W7EL

Harris poll results reported in the July/August issue of _Skeptical
Inquirer_ reveal that 84% of Americans believe in survival of the soul
after death. 82% believe there's a heaven, and 63% expect to go there.
But while 69% believe in hell, only 1% expect to go there. Wonder if the
"small" proportion happens to be about 1%. . . and wonder if it's the
same ones.

Tell you one thing, I hope for every ones sake, we don't exist in one form or
another 'forever'.

I can't think of a worse nightmare than to always exist with no reprieve ! ...
in the end, you'd wish for nothing else but to be allowed to rest in peace.

Clive

Harris poll results reported in the July/August issue of _Skeptical
Inquirer_ reveal that 84% of Americans believe in survival of the soul
after death. 82% believe there's a heaven, and 63% expect to go there.
But while 69% believe in hell, only 1% expect to go there. Wonder if the
"small" proportion happens to be about 1%. . . and wonder if it's the
same ones.

Tell you one thing, I hope for every ones sake, we don't exist in one form or
another 'forever'.

I can't think of a worse nightmare than to always exist with no reprieve ! ...
in the end, you'd wish for nothing else but to be allowed to rest in peace.

Clive

On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 22:19:45 +0200, Lasse SM5GLC wrote:

Roy,
If I remember correctly my physics teacher showed that based on what is
written in the Bible, heaven have a much higher temperature than
hell.....

We are wandering way off-topic here so I'm a bit reluctant to post this on
r.r.a.h

Ah! what the hell!, it's only a few KB of text....

The following is an actual question given on a University of Washington
chemistry mid-term. The answer by one student was so "profound" that the
professor shared it with colleagues, via the Internet, which is, of
course, why we now have the pleasure of enjoying it as well.


Bonus Question: Is Hell exothermic (gives off heat) or endothermic
(absorbs heat)?

Most of the students wrote proofs of their beliefs using Boyle's Law (gas
cool when it expands and heats when it is compressed) or some variant. One
student, however, wrote the following:

"First, we need to know how the mass of Hell is changing in time. So we
need to know the rate at which souls are moving into Hell and the rate at
which they are leaving. I think that we can safely assume that once a
soul gets to Hell, it will not leave. Therefore, no souls are leaving.

As for how many souls are entering Hell, let's look at the different
religions that exist in the world today. Most of these religions state
that if you are not a member of their religion, you will go to Hell.
Since there is more than one of these religions and since people do not
belong to more than one religion, we can project that all souls go to
Hell.

With birth and death rates as they are, we can expect the number of souls
in Hell to increase exponentially. Now, we look at the rate of change of
the volume in Hell because Boyle's Law states that in order for the
temperature and pressure in Hell to stay the same, the volume of Hell has
to expand proportionately as souls are added.

This gives two possibilities:

1) If Hell is expanding at a slower rate than the rate at which souls
enter Hell, then the temperature and pressure in Hell will increase until
all Hell breaks loose.

2) If Hell is expanding at a rate faster than the increase of souls in
Hell, then the temperature and pressure will drop until Hell freezes over.

So which is it? If we accept the postulate given to me by Teresa during
my Freshman year that, "...it will be a cold day in Hell before I sleep
with you," and take into account the fact that I still have not succeeded
in having an affair with her, then #2 above cannot be true, and thus I am
sure that Hell is exothermic and will not freeze over."

THIS STUDENT RECEIVED THE ONLY "A".


73, Ed, EI9GQ.


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