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AF6AY April 5th 07 06:40 AM

The First Month of the Revolution in USA Amateur Radio
 
From: on Tues, Apr 3 2007 6:35 pm

On Mar 29, 11:24 pm, Dave Heil wrote:
KH6HZ wrote:
"Dave Heil" wrote:


You're being disingenuous again, Leonard. I've stated that you are a
newcomer to *amateur* radio. Each time I've done so, you've tried to make
it appear that I've used the generic term "radio".


I think Grandpa Lennie is simply jealous of the fact that due to his waiting
54 years to get an amateur radio license...


It doesn't matter whether he's jealous or not, Mike. He can fill up his
years with getting on 75m and telling hams who have been in the game for
decades about his experiences at ADA in the 1950's.


Wow, lots of envy and hostility in that statement...


That's all I expect from the Robust Oberst. :-)

But then, we are speaking of "Mister DeeEcks" of Department of
State (Retired)...who BECAME DX Out Of Africa and Finland under
State's generous "A DX of One" program to help hams worldwide
get a rare one. Hard to beat that...and he got PAID to do it!

Me, I just did (like you did) what I was told to do and also
be proficient at "destroying the enemy" in my military service.
That I lucked out on my military assignment wasn't any doing
of mine. But, I DID take advantage of learning, observing
all that went on, asking questions to study more...and making
friends with a lot of good people, both military and civilian.

I dunno why Mister DeeEcks thinks I should "get on 75m" when
there is already an established net on 20m of ex-RCA employees
who get together every morning. I worked with some of them
in real life (as opposed to the imaginary life spent staring
at front panels while gabbing with relative strangers). :-)

-- and the fact that the actuarial
tables state he probably doesn't have 15 years left...


I don't intend to keep reminding him of his remaining time on the
planet. Any of us could easily go before Len does. All it takes is a
traffic accident (Roger Wiseman's death wish for me: failing brakes,
sharp curves, twisting road) or a sudden illness.


Or Robesin's predictions for "Slashed tires, bricks through windows,
and terrorized wives..."


Robesin is the Public Affairs Officer for his CAP unit in TN.
Some "public affairs" of his must be kinda 'private.' :-)

Wow, if Robesin is typical of CAP Public Affairs, the CAP
is in a HEAP of trouble!

The fact is that I've
already enjoyed 43 years in amateur radio.


Ahem, minus one year during your tour in Vietnam. Remember, no ham
radio for you...


We really don't know how long he was there. [Robesin syndrome?]

According to a couple websites, he was a rock musician - guitarist
for ten years with several bands. Those aren't "ham bands." :-)
That occupied some of the 22 years between first being licensed
(1963) and being sent to the Finland Embassy (1985). He got his
Vanity call of K8MN in 1977 and there's 8 years between that and
his first Helsinki posting.

-- he will be unable to
accumulate 230k+ QSOs that others accumulated here have.


If he gets busy and hones his skills, he could get it done.


I still don't understand this NECESSITY of "logging thousands
of contacts"...just to log thousands of contacts?

What does one DO with all those logs? I would suggest just
recycling those logs to save real logs from being turned into
paper pulp to "archive" ham logs. Putting it all into CD R/W
discs for archival would require using Chinese-manufacture
CD blanks whose plastic is made from non-renewable petroleum.

I made over
that number in my nearly sixteen years overseas though it wasn't really
that long since I was typically in the U.S. for two to three months
between assignments and usually burned a month or so of leave in the
U.S. or elsewhere each year. I've submitted nearly 30,000 QSOs to LOTW
but I still have years of contest logs from the paper logging days which
have yet to be entered into the computer logging database.


1985 to 2000 is just FIFTEEN years. Wow, all that FREE TIME
(paid for?) between "assignments." Not a bad gig, 11 months
of "work" a year. Very "European."

Get off the branch water and it might be possible for you to get it
done... unless you're taking time out to run for Director of the
Roanoke Division.


He ought to lay off the Marlboros, too...not to mention the
brannvin. Of course, another storm might come up and the
OTHER tower fall over...thus taking more time away from all
that "logging."

It'd be nice
to have a half million or so QSOs logged before departure time.


Better find a DXpedition.


This time he gonna have to PAY for it out of his own pocket
(and pension check). :-)

Mr. Roarke might help him out on an expedition to Fantasy
Island? :-) "de blane! de blane!"

If Len Anderson wants to pretend that he is part of some revolution, let
him play. He'll unbox his JA transceiver, hook it to a vertical antenna
and have all the fun he is capable of having.


No different than you unboxing your TN transceiver...


My IC-746Pro is made in Japan. The companion SP-23 filter-speaker
is made in China. I haven't looked to see where the PS-125 (free)
12 VDC supply is made. My MFJ dry dummy load is made in
Starkville,
MS. My Heil Sound ProSetPlus is made (somewhat) in a suburb of
Chicago, IL. The vertical antenna I will probably get will be made
in Issaquah, WA, (on the Puget Sound). I dunno WHERE the wire I am
using for a temporary HF antenna was made. That is matched by an
LDG AT-100Pro Autotuner (powered by the IC-746Pro). The Diamond
discone I'm using for 10m through 23cm was made in Japan (very well
made at that) and it is held up by some thin-wall conduit pipe made
in the USA with a Cable Experts RG-8 coax cable bringing it into
the house office (I didn't check where the coax or UHF connector
fitting assembly happened...didn't know that was so IMPORTANT!).

No sweat...whatever I have, Davey Heil will PUT IT DOWN! :-)
He always does...

73, Len AF6AY


AF6AY April 5th 07 06:41 AM

The First Month of the Revolution in USA Amateur Radio
 
From: John Smith I on Wed, 04 Apr 2007
06:17:11 -0700

Dave Heil snarled:

...


You aren't lopping off heads, Len. You're a beginner in amateur radio.
Trust me on this point: You'll get all the recognition you deserve.


Standing in the midst of genderless midgets, he IS bound to get
attention! 8-)


Careful, JS, you are speaking to Mister DeeEcks, formerly from
the Government! [here to help? nah...]

He WAS DX!

Like that is the "only" function a US amateur "must" have...
"working DX on HF with CW." :-)

I've got to stay away from those rainbows...all those Little
People near them with little round pots.

73, Len AF6AY



John Smith I April 5th 07 12:52 PM

The First Month of the Revolution in USA Amateur Radio
 
AF6AY wrote:

...
Careful, JS, you are speaking to Mister DeeEcks, formerly from
the Government! [here to help? nah...]

He WAS DX!
...
73, Len AF6AY



Len:

I am quite sure the problem is all on this end; the importance of
pointless bickering has always escaped me ...

Regards,
JS

AF6AY April 5th 07 05:49 PM

The First Month of the Revolution in USA Amateur Radio
 
On Apr 5, 3:52�am, John Smith I wrote:
AF6AY wrote:

* ...

* *Careful, JS, you are speaking to Mister DeeEcks, formerly from
* *the Government! *[here to help? *nah...]


* *He WAS DX!


Len:

I am quite sure the problem is all on this end; *the importance of
pointless bickering has always escaped me ...


It ain't "pointless bickering" in Heil's case. In the typical
"look at me, I am SOMEBODY" fashion of computer-modem
comms, the bickerer has to come out on top, regardless.

During Word War 3 prior to FCC 06-178, morsemen HAD
to be on top. It was almost a compulsion. Just about all
the old morse myths were brought out, dusted off, and
presented in all their "glory" despite being outmoded, out-
dated, too worn to use in the future. Morsemen were
intensely PROUD of their skill and were bound and
determined to shove it down everyone's throat...whether
anyone actually thought much of the mode or not. They
had rank, status, privilege all because of that morse skill
and hated to lose any of it. It was almost a fight for
survival of a species...it was THEM or no one...and to
hell with what any newcomer thinks or for the future of
US amateur radio. It was extremism in the defence of
their very-private playground. [de fence was up and
trying to keep off the encroaching voice modes]

Early on I had mentioned my military service assignment.
I thought it was adequate proof that "CW" wasn't up to
the task of hundreds of thousands of message relays
per month (teleprinter was used)...the necessity for an
entire military theater of operations doing 24/7 duty during
the Cold War. No, the morsemen HAD to try turning that
around to "my bragging" and a general big nothing during
Word War 3. Sure, I did brag some since I absolutely
lucked out on that assignment, even if the station was only
the third largest in the Army worldwide network. Even
being only third, pushing 220K messages relayed a month
24/7 is Big Business any way one slices it. The amateur
national network can't come close to that using RTTY and
certainly not via "CW." Manual "CW" even at 20 to 40
WPM just can't beat the old 60 WPM machinery (then
the only form of Data using electromechanical terminals).

That was in 1953 to 1956 and most of the "CW" super-
skilled hams in here were just being born (a few not yet
conceived). The military was ramping up its skills and
beginning to go 100 WPM teleprinter, 300 WPM "Data"
(that word not yet in vogue then), using Troposcatter
and hoping satellites could be put up without the launch
vehicles constantly exploding on the pad. All was
accomplished and more, no military OR commercial
service looking back to quaint old methods. Yet the
superskilled (self-imagined) hams HAD to stay with ALL
needing to be federally tested for "important" skill of
morse code! For a hobby activity yet. Morsemen had
done it, therefore "all could do it."

None of the Word War 3 fighting on morsemanship was
"pointless bickering" to the morsemen. They were the
"best radio operators" and HAD to tell everyone they
were. Years and years of them honing their twitchy-
fingered skills on the paddles made them a needed
resource in homeland defense and security of the nation,
the amateur radio SERVICE...and all should look up to
them, admire them, salute them as they entered a
room and other ossifer courtesy tenderred in utmost
respect and reverence.

So, on 17th February I decided to get in the amateur radio
hobby. Might be fun...except in here waging the on-going
gorilla fight in the post Word War 3 era. I became an
Extra Out Of The Box by test on February 25th, by law on
7 March. All the operating privileges of any OTHER Extra
are mine, no restrictions by law. Now Heil wants to drone
on that I'm such a "Beginner, a Neophyte" in ANY radio,
amateur or not. After 54 years of doing it in many radio
services? Amateurism is extra super-special most very
difficult to learn? No. It is for me and morsemanship,
something I will probably never use, but who really cares
except morsemen? The FCC gives the OPTION to any
amateur to use ANY allocated mode, any allocated band.

Ah, but Heil, Miccolis, Kelly, et al, say I "MUST" use "CW"
to "PROVE WORTH." Prove to whom? To them? Mais non,
mon ami, they be just little people, almost a protected
species of old and, with the protection they had gone, now
a dying breed. They continue their POINTLESS BICKERING
yet, trying to put down all those who do not agree with Their
magnificence and god-like skills. It is Them against the rest
of the radio world and they are losing. Let them bicker and
rant. It is all they have left in the wreckage of their fallen
towers and former imagined glory.

73, Len AF6AY






Dave Heil April 5th 07 06:54 PM

The First Month of the Revolution in USA Amateur Radio
 
AF6AY wrote:
From: on Tues, Apr 3 2007 6:35 pm

On Mar 29, 11:24 pm, Dave Heil wrote:
KH6HZ wrote:
"Dave Heil" wrote:
You're being disingenuous again, Leonard. I've stated that you are a
newcomer to *amateur* radio. Each time I've done so, you've tried to make
it appear that I've used the generic term "radio".
I think Grandpa Lennie is simply jealous of the fact that due to his waiting
54 years to get an amateur radio license...
It doesn't matter whether he's jealous or not, Mike. He can fill up his
years with getting on 75m and telling hams who have been in the game for
decades about his experiences at ADA in the 1950's.

Wow, lots of envy and hostility in that statement...


That's all I expect from the Robust Oberst. :-)


There was envy expressed, Windy.

But then, we are speaking of "Mister DeeEcks" of Department of
State (Retired)...who BECAME DX Out Of Africa and Finland under
State's generous "A DX of One" program to help hams worldwide
get a rare one. Hard to beat that...and he got PAID to do it!


Most folks who work for an employer expect to be paid. Did you ever
work for any employer for free?

Me, I just did (like you did) what I was told to do and also
be proficient at "destroying the enemy" in my military service.


Have you ever destroyed an enemy, Leonard?


I dunno why Mister DeeEcks thinks I should "get on 75m" when
there is already an established net on 20m of ex-RCA employees
who get together every morning.


Oh, I just picked a band at random. You can tell your tales on 20m if
you choose.

I worked with some of them
in real life (as opposed to the imaginary life spent staring
at front panels while gabbing with relative strangers). :-)


If I'm to believe your statement, I never stared at a front panel and
chatted with relative strangers, I simply imagined that I did.


The fact is that I've
already enjoyed 43 years in amateur radio.

Ahem, minus one year during your tour in Vietnam. Remember, no ham
radio for you...


We really don't know how long he was there.


No, you really don't.

According to a couple websites, he was a rock musician - guitarist
for ten years with several bands. Those aren't "ham bands." :-)


....nor was there any claim that they were "ham bands."

That occupied some of the 22 years between first being licensed
(1963) and being sent to the Finland Embassy (1985).


Four of my years after licensing were spent completing high school.
I was never sent to the Finland Embassy. I was assigned to the American
Embassy.

He got his
Vanity call of K8MN in 1977...


I don't have a vanity callsign, Len.

...and there's 8 years between that and
his first Helsinki posting.


Call them "mytery years" if you like, Leonard. They can remain a
mystery to you.

-- he will be unable to
accumulate 230k+ QSOs that others accumulated here have.
If he gets busy and hones his skills, he could get it done.


I still don't understand this NECESSITY of "logging thousands
of contacts"...just to log thousands of contacts?


I see part of your confusion, Leonardo. They aren't done just to log
thousands of contacts.

What does one DO with all those logs?


Ahhhh, another of life's eternal mysteries!

I would suggest just
recycling those logs to save real logs from being turned into
paper pulp to "archive" ham logs. Putting it all into CD R/W
discs for archival would require using Chinese-manufacture
CD blanks whose plastic is made from non-renewable petroleum.


There's no longer any requirement for you to maintain a log, Len.

I made over
that number in my nearly sixteen years overseas though it wasn't really
that long since I was typically in the U.S. for two to three months
between assignments and usually burned a month or so of leave in the
U.S. or elsewhere each year. I've submitted nearly 30,000 QSOs to LOTW
but I still have years of contest logs from the paper logging days which
have yet to be entered into the computer logging database.


1985 to 2000 is just FIFTEEN years. Wow, all that FREE TIME
(paid for?) between "assignments." Not a bad gig, 11 months
of "work" a year.


That "free time" isn't all "free time", Len. There are Washington
consultations regarding the previous and upcoming assignments. There
are visas to be obtained, medical exams, vaccinations to be obtained.
There are classes to be taken, sometimes four or five of them.

The "free time" can be either before or after those things. It is
called Home Leave and it is not charged to annual leave. Usually thirty
working days of Home Leave is mandated between assignments.

Very "European."


It's very American. The Home Leave is mandated by Congress. Most
Foreign Service employees spend most of their working lives overseas.


It'd be nice
to have a half million or so QSOs logged before departure time.

Better find a DXpedition.


This time he gonna have to PAY for it out of his own pocket
(and pension check). :-)


....at least that is your assumption. :-)

If Len Anderson wants to pretend that he is part of some revolution, let
him play. He'll unbox his JA transceiver, hook it to a vertical antenna
and have all the fun he is capable of having.


No different than you unboxing your TN transceiver...


My Heil Sound ProSetPlus is made (somewhat) in a suburb of
Chicago, IL.


Really? Fairview Heights has been moved from the St. Louis area to near
Chicago? You have made another in a long series of factual errors.

I use the Heil products here, Leonard. As you may know, with quality
microphones, what you get out of it is only as good as what you put into it.

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil April 5th 07 06:56 PM

The First Month of the Revolution in USA Amateur Radio
 
AF6AY wrote:
From: John Smith I on Wed, 04 Apr 2007
06:17:11 -0700

Dave Heil snarled:

...
You aren't lopping off heads, Len. You're a beginner in amateur radio.
Trust me on this point: You'll get all the recognition you deserve.

Standing in the midst of genderless midgets, he IS bound to get
attention! 8-)


Careful, JS, you are speaking to Mister DeeEcks, formerly from
the Government! [here to help? nah...]

He WAS DX!

Like that is the "only" function a US amateur "must" have...
"working DX on HF with CW." :-)


As you've been advised repeatedly, the only person making such a claim
is Leonard H. Anderson, now a neophyte in amateur radio.

Dave K8MN

[email protected] April 5th 07 10:51 PM

The First Month of the Revolution in USA Amateur Radio
 
On Apr 5, 2:41 am, "AF6AY" wrote:
From: John Smith I on Wed, 04 Apr 2007
06:17:11 -0700

Dave Heil snarled:


...


You aren't lopping off heads, Len. You're a beginner in amateur radio.
Trust me on this point: You'll get all the recognition you deserve.


Standing in the midst of genderless midgets, he IS bound to get
attention! 8-)


Careful, JS, you are speaking to Mister DeeEcks, formerly from
the Government! [here to help? nah...]

He WAS DX!

Like that is the "only" function a US amateur "must" have...
"working DX on HF with CW." :-)

I've got to stay away from those rainbows...all those Little
People near them with little round pots.

73, Len AF6AY


I think Heil's out of band Frenchmen were on voice... that mode will
getcha in trouble every time!


[email protected] April 5th 07 11:18 PM

The First Month of the Revolution in USA Amateur Radio
 
On Apr 5, 2:40 am, "AF6AY" wrote:
From: on Tues, Apr 3 2007 6:35 pm
On Mar 29, 11:24 pm, Dave Heil wrote:
KH6HZ wrote:
"Dave Heil" wrote:


You're being disingenuous again, Leonard. I've stated that you are a
newcomer to *amateur* radio. Each time I've done so, you've tried to make
it appear that I've used the generic term "radio".


I think Grandpa Lennie is simply jealous of the fact that due to his waiting
54 years to get an amateur radio license...


It doesn't matter whether he's jealous or not, Mike. He can fill up his
years with getting on 75m and telling hams who have been in the game for
decades about his experiences at ADA in the 1950's.


Wow, lots of envy and hostility in that statement...


That's all I expect from the Robust Oberst. :-)


That's good. That's all you'll ever get.

But then, we are speaking of "Mister DeeEcks" of Department of
State (Retired)...who BECAME DX Out Of Africa and Finland under
State's generous "A DX of One" program to help hams worldwide
get a rare one. Hard to beat that...and he got PAID to do it!


He never once did ham radio while at work. Just ask him.

Me, I just did (like you did) what I was told to do and also
be proficient at "destroying the enemy" in my military service.
That I lucked out on my military assignment wasn't any doing
of mine. But, I DID take advantage of learning, observing
all that went on, asking questions to study more...and making
friends with a lot of good people, both military and civilian.


Lots of night school, too.

I dunno why Mister DeeEcks thinks I should "get on 75m" when
there is already an established net on 20m of ex-RCA employees
who get together every morning. I worked with some of them
in real life (as opposed to the imaginary life spent staring
at front panels while gabbing with relative strangers). :-)


I like talking to strangers, as long as there not as strange as some
on RRAP.

-- and the fact that the actuarial
tables state he probably doesn't have 15 years left...


I don't intend to keep reminding him of his remaining time on the
planet. Any of us could easily go before Len does. All it takes is a
traffic accident (Roger Wiseman's death wish for me: failing brakes,
sharp curves, twisting road) or a sudden illness.


Or Robesin's predictions for "Slashed tires, bricks through windows,
and terrorized wives..."


Robesin is the Public Affairs Officer for his CAP unit in TN.
Some "public affairs" of his must be kinda 'private.' :-)

Wow, if Robesin is typical of CAP Public Affairs, the CAP
is in a HEAP of trouble!


He must be screwing up - they've promoted him.

Two words... background investigation.

The fact is that I've
already enjoyed 43 years in amateur radio.


Ahem, minus one year during your tour in Vietnam. Remember, no ham
radio for you...


We really don't know how long he was there. [Robesin syndrome?]


Yikes! I hadn't considered that.

According to a couple websites, he was a rock musician - guitarist
for ten years with several bands. Those aren't "ham bands." :-)
That occupied some of the 22 years between first being licensed
(1963) and being sent to the Finland Embassy (1985). He got his
Vanity call of K8MN in 1977 and there's 8 years between that and
his first Helsinki posting.


Wonder why he selected Minnesota for a suffix?

-- he will be unable to
accumulate 230k+ QSOs that others accumulated here have.


If he gets busy and hones his skills, he could get it done.


I still don't understand this NECESSITY of "logging thousands
of contacts"...just to log thousands of contacts?


Compensation?

What does one DO with all those logs? I would suggest just
recycling those logs to save real logs from being turned into
paper pulp to "archive" ham logs. Putting it all into CD R/W
discs for archival would require using Chinese-manufacture
CD blanks whose plastic is made from non-renewable petroleum.


Mine are in my garage. That's where all my "important" papers are.

I made over
that number in my nearly sixteen years overseas though it wasn't really
that long since I was typically in the U.S. for two to three months
between assignments and usually burned a month or so of leave in the
U.S. or elsewhere each year. I've submitted nearly 30,000 QSOs to LOTW
but I still have years of contest logs from the paper logging days which
have yet to be entered into the computer logging database.


1985 to 2000 is just FIFTEEN years. Wow, all that FREE TIME
(paid for?) between "assignments." Not a bad gig, 11 months
of "work" a year. Very "European."


Europeans work far less than 11 months a year. That's why they have
so many trade restrictions with the USA... to level the playing field.

Get off the branch water and it might be possible for you to get it
done... unless you're taking time out to run for Director of the
Roanoke Division.


He ought to lay off the Marlboros, too...not to mention the
brannvin. Of course, another storm might come up and the
OTHER tower fall over...thus taking more time away from all
that "logging."


Heil had a tower failure?

It'd be nice
to have a half million or so QSOs logged before departure time.


Better find a DXpedition.


This time he gonna have to PAY for it out of his own pocket
(and pension check). :-)

Mr. Roarke might help him out on an expedition to Fantasy
Island? :-) "de blane! de blane!"


American Samoa might be a good gig.

If Len Anderson wants to pretend that he is part of some revolution, let
him play. He'll unbox his JA transceiver, hook it to a vertical antenna
and have all the fun he is capable of having.


No different than you unboxing your TN transceiver...


My IC-746Pro is made in Japan. The companion SP-23 filter-speaker
is made in China. I haven't looked to see where the PS-125 (free)
12 VDC supply is made. My MFJ dry dummy load is made in
Starkville,
MS. My Heil Sound ProSetPlus is made (somewhat) in a suburb of
Chicago, IL.


I don't know about that. Bob used to have his shop in Marissa,
Illinois, just south of my old address in the shadow of St Louis.
Later he opened small shop in Fairview Heights, where the sales tax is
7% because they have a shopping mall. He had mostly high-definition
TV at that location, so I don't know where he's manufacturing the
microphone line, or if he's "outsourced" it.

The vertical antenna I will probably get will be made
in Issaquah, WA, (on the Puget Sound). I dunno WHERE the wire I am
using for a temporary HF antenna was made. That is matched by an
LDG AT-100Pro Autotuner (powered by the IC-746Pro). The Diamond
discone I'm using for 10m through 23cm was made in Japan (very well
made at that) and it is held up by some thin-wall conduit pipe made
in the USA with a Cable Experts RG-8 coax cable bringing it into
the house office (I didn't check where the coax or UHF connector
fitting assembly happened...didn't know that was so IMPORTANT!).

No sweat...whatever I have, Davey Heil will PUT IT DOWN! :-)
He always does...

73, Len AF6AY


I'm partial to ICOM gear. But I've got a little bit of everything -
even radio shack.


AF6AY April 6th 07 04:22 AM

The First Month of the Revolution in USA Amateur Radio
 
From: on 5 Apr 2007 15:18:49 -0700

From: on Tues, Apr 3 2007 6:35 pm
On Mar 29, 11:24 pm, Dave Heil wrote:
KH6HZ wrote:
"Dave Heil" wrote:



It doesn't matter whether he's jealous or not, Mike. He can fill up his
years with getting on 75m and telling hams who have been in the game for
decades about his experiences at ADA in the 1950's.


Wow, lots of envy and hostility in that statement...


That's all I expect from the Robust Oberst. :-)


That's good. That's all you'll ever get.


I know. It never fails... :-)

But then, we are speaking of "Mister DeeEcks" of Department of
State (Retired)...who BECAME DX Out Of Africa and Finland under
State's generous "A DX of One" program to help hams worldwide
get a rare one. Hard to beat that...and he got PAID to do it!


He never once did ham radio while at work. Just ask him.


That's like asking Robesin something. :-)


Me, I just did (like you did) what I was told to do and also
be proficient at "destroying the enemy" in my military service.
That I lucked out on my military assignment wasn't any doing
of mine. But, I DID take advantage of learning, observing
all that went on, asking questions to study more...and making
friends with a lot of good people, both military and civilian.


Lots of night school, too.


Not in the Army...in civilian life...to satisfy personnel
departments with "credentials" while I had already done
the responsible design engineering. :-(

Herr Robust made some crack about "how many did I destroy?"

Ya know, He NEVER said anything about His military service
that could be pinned down to something substantial. I think
he's just one of those fakers who IMPLY things and then bluff
out on some (bogus) claims of "post traumatic stress."


I dunno why Mister DeeEcks thinks I should "get on 75m" when
there is already an established net on 20m of ex-RCA employees
who get together every morning. I worked with some of them
in real life (as opposed to the imaginary life spent staring
at front panels while gabbing with relative strangers). :-)


I like talking to strangers, as long as there not as strange as some
on RRAP.


Alas, some strangers ARE most strange indeed.


I don't intend to keep reminding him of his remaining time on the
planet. Any of us could easily go before Len does. All it takes is a
traffic accident (Roger Wiseman's death wish for me: failing brakes,
sharp curves, twisting road) or a sudden illness.


Or Robesin's predictions for "Slashed tires, bricks through windows,
and terrorized wives..."


Robesin is the Public Affairs Officer for his CAP unit in TN.
Some "public affairs" of his must be kinda 'private.' :-)


Wow, if Robesin is typical of CAP Public Affairs, the CAP
is in a HEAP of trouble!


He must be screwing up - they've promoted him.

Two words... background investigation.


Two more words... fails background.


The fact is that I've
already enjoyed 43 years in amateur radio.


Ahem, minus one year during your tour in Vietnam. Remember, no ham
radio for you...


We really don't know how long he was there. [Robesin syndrome?]


Yikes! I hadn't considered that.


He's a smoothie on "convincing" folks. Turns right around
and becomes snarly when someone argues the opposite of what
he's declared. Otherwise, same-o, same-o.


According to a couple websites, he was a rock musician - guitarist
for ten years with several bands. Those aren't "ham bands." :-)
That occupied some of the 22 years between first being licensed
(1963) and being sent to the Finland Embassy (1985). He got his
Vanity call of K8MN in 1977 and there's 8 years between that and
his first Helsinki posting.


Wonder why he selected Minnesota for a suffix?


That's an "in memoriam" Vanity callsign to honor his Elmer.


-- he will be unable to
accumulate 230k+ QSOs that others accumulated here have.


If he gets busy and hones his skills, he could get it done.


I still don't understand this NECESSITY of "logging thousands
of contacts"...just to log thousands of contacts?


Compensation?


Well, it's something. Something like collecting string, stamps,
dolls, paperweights, all sorts of different memorabilia and knick-
knacks.


What does one DO with all those logs? I would suggest just
recycling those logs to save real logs from being turned into
paper pulp to "archive" ham logs. Putting it all into CD R/W
discs for archival would require using Chinese-manufacture
CD blanks whose plastic is made from non-renewable petroleum.


Mine are in my garage. That's where all my "important" papers are.


My REALLY important papers are in my safety deposit box. Since
there's NO necessity to keep logs (except for the "new" modes
like SS) I think some jottings on scratch paper ought to suffice.

Words on the VEC QP say "it's a good idea for resolving inter-
ference complaints." I don't know how that can "resolve" them
since it would be kept by the person allegedly doing the RFI.
Such wouldn't stand up in court. But, lots of hams like to act
like "pros" at broadcast stations, so they keep logs. Last time
I did any broadcasting, the only thing noted in logs was when a
station was OFF the air beyond its normal, announced hours.


I made over
that number in my nearly sixteen years overseas though it wasn't really
that long since I was typically in the U.S. for two to three months
between assignments and usually burned a month or so of leave in the
U.S. or elsewhere each year. I've submitted nearly 30,000 QSOs to LOTW
but I still have years of contest logs from the paper logging days which
have yet to be entered into the computer logging database.


1985 to 2000 is just FIFTEEN years. Wow, all that FREE TIME
(paid for?) between "assignments." Not a bad gig, 11 months
of "work" a year. Very "European."


Europeans work far less than 11 months a year. That's why they have
so many trade restrictions with the USA... to level the playing field.


heh heh heh. That's one way to look at it.


Get off the branch water and it might be possible for you to get it
done... unless you're taking time out to run for Director of the
Roanoke Division.


He ought to lay off the Marlboros, too...not to mention the
brannvin. Of course, another storm might come up and the
OTHER tower fall over...thus taking more time away from all
that "logging."


Heil had a tower failure?


Yah. 2004. He's got TWO towers. One buckled somewhere in its
middle and it came down, elements of one beam punching a hole
in his roof. He has pictures of it on some personal web site.
Not a pretty sight.

On the same web site he's got a picture of a small bottle of
Finnish vodka. Swedes label the "hard" spirits 'brannvin,'
literally translates as 'burn wine.'

From the same pictures Heil appears to be a lefty, in one of
them twiddling a bug's paddles with the left, a package of
Marlboros at the ready by his right hand.


It'd be nice
to have a half million or so QSOs logged before departure time.


Better find a DXpedition.


This time he gonna have to PAY for it out of his own pocket
(and pension check). :-)


Mr. Roarke might help him out on an expedition to Fantasy
Island? :-) "de blane! de blane!"


American Samoa might be a good gig.


I think that might have been done. :-)

If Len Anderson wants to pretend that he is part of some revolution, let
him play. He'll unbox his JA transceiver, hook it to a vertical antenna
and have all the fun he is capable of having.


No different than you unboxing your TN transceiver...


My IC-746Pro is made in Japan. The companion SP-23 filter-speaker
is made in China. I haven't looked to see where the PS-125 (free)
12 VDC supply is made. My MFJ dry dummy load is made in
Starkville, MS. My Heil Sound ProSetPlus is made (somewhat) in a
suburb of Chicago, IL.


I don't know about that.


Heh heh heh...I was testing Heil again to see if he was paying
attention. :-)

Fairview Heights, IL, is just a few miles east of the Big Muddy
and East Saint Louis, IL. A few miles farther east and one cuts
north to go to Springfield. BTW, I heartily recommend going to
the Abraham Lincoln Museum in downtown Springfield...new, only
been open for a few years and is a GREAT experience for anyone
wanting to relive the times of his life and the American Civil
War era. Good parking a block away and minimal charge to enter.
Fabulous exhibits. You can take your own picture standing with
the Lincoln family in the rotunda (only place where they allow
photography...life-size mannikins with authentic clothing).

Note that I did NOT say where the LDG autotuner was made. Tsk,
I should have been given a "reminder" by know-it-all morsemen
on that! :-)

Bob used to have his shop in Marissa,
Illinois, just south of my old address in the shadow of St Louis.
Later he opened small shop in Fairview Heights, where the sales tax is
7% because they have a shopping mall. He had mostly high-definition
TV at that location, so I don't know where he's manufacturing the
microphone line, or if he's "outsourced" it.


Hi-Def TV? That must be a continuing thing then since
HDTV is just beginning to catch on in consumer electronics.

Heil Sound uses SOME off-shore made components, certainly
in accessories. The color, feel, shape of some of the bags
for mikes are the SAME as what H-P had for some of their
calculators 25 years ago (such as my olf HP-67). Adapters
for various mikes, headphones, headsets have distinctive
machining, plating, and plastic encapsulation of Asian
manufacture. Those are good, but the prices (allowing for
mark-up that is double their cost, easily) add the final
touch to be off-shore made.



No sweat...whatever I have, Davey Heil will PUT IT DOWN! :-)
He always does...


I'm partial to ICOM gear. But I've got a little bit of everything -
even radio shack.


My (now) ancient Icom R-70 is still doing just fine, gets to
sit in the line-up of my station...all 3 feet wide, foot and a
half high by foot and a quarter deep with room for other
goodies, no strain. New stuff is much more compact than old.

Whatever works for you and is reliable. But, Davey will PUT IT
DOWN, whatever it is. His are "better," whatever he's got. :-(

73, Len AF6AY


Dave Heil April 6th 07 07:31 PM

The First Month of the Revolution in USA Amateur Radio
 
AF6AY wrote:
From: on 5 Apr 2007 15:18:49 -0700


Not in the Army...in civilian life...to satisfy personnel
departments with "credentials" while I had already done
the responsible design engineering. :-(

Herr Robust made some crack about "how many did I destroy?"


I don't recall asking anything about how many credentials or personnel
departments you destroyed, Windy. :-)

Ya know, He NEVER said anything about His military service
that could be pinned down to something substantial.


No, I don't believe I ever did. Now what?

I think
he's just one of those fakers who IMPLY things and then bluff
out on some (bogus) claims of "post traumatic stress."


I've never made any claims of military heroics. I've never claimed to
be a victim of "post traumatic stress". It bugs you that you don't
know. I take delight in that.


Ahem, minus one year during your tour in Vietnam. Remember, no ham
radio for you...


We really don't know how long he was there. [Robesin syndrome?]

Yikes! I hadn't considered that.


He's a smoothie on "convincing" folks. Turns right around
and becomes snarly when someone argues the opposite of what
he's declared. Otherwise, same-o, same-o.


I've not made much of an attempt to convince you of anything regarding
my military service, Len. You've said that you've not denigrated your
fellow military veterans. The facts show that you have.

Wonder why he selected Minnesota for a suffix?


That's an "in memoriam" Vanity callsign to honor his Elmer.


You still have it wrong. My call was not issued under the vanity
callsign program. I've had it for thirty years now.



Words on the VEC QP say "it's a good idea for resolving inter-
ference complaints." I don't know how that can "resolve" them
since it would be kept by the person allegedly doing the RFI.


as opposed to the word of the person complaining of RFI.

Such wouldn't stand up in court.


I think you're wrong on that, Leonard. Such things as a memorandum of
conversation or a carefull kept record of events can be used in court.

But, lots of hams like to act
like "pros" at broadcast stations, so they keep logs.


It has nothing to do with broadcast stations or acting like "pros", Len.
For decades, amateur radio operators were required by the FCC to
maintain logs. There is nothing keeping radio amateurs from maintaining
logs. They serve as a record of events for awards tracking, for
tracking propagation, for nostalgia and as a memorandum of
times/dates/frequencies used.

Last time
I did any broadcasting, the only thing noted in logs was when a
station was OFF the air beyond its normal, announced hours.


That's nice.


On the same web site he's got a picture of a small bottle of
Finnish vodka. Swedes label the "hard" spirits 'brannvin,'
literally translates as 'burn wine.'


Except it isn't Swedish vodka. It's there because the vodka's label
says "Strong 59".

From the same pictures Heil appears to be a lefty, in one of
them twiddling a bug's paddles with the left, a package of
Marlboros at the ready by his right hand.


I'm a left hander in some things, a right hander in others. I can use a
keyer paddle with either hand.


My Heil Sound ProSetPlus is made (somewhat) in a
suburb of Chicago, IL.


I don't know about that.


Heh heh heh...I was testing Heil again to see if he was paying
attention. :-)


Sure you were, "Anderson". :-) :-)


Fairview Heights, IL, is just a few miles east of the Big Muddy
and East Saint Louis, IL.


....but you thought it was near Chicago.

Note that I did NOT say where the LDG autotuner was made. Tsk,
I should have been given a "reminder" by know-it-all morsemen
on that! :-)


NOT saying likely saved you from another factual error.


Dave K8MN


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