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It's been about six weeks since the rules change, and there hasn't been any tremendous increase in the number of new hams nor a huge number of upgrades. Yes, there have been more than in previous months but it's hardly enough to be a "revolution". March's final numbers are in. Continuing with the trend in previous months, we saw a continued downward trend in the total number of licensed amateurs. In fact, since Speroni has been keeping statistics since 1997, the total number of licensed amateurs in March 07 -- a month after the "no-code 'revolution'" -- is at a historic low. Also, for the first time since 1994, we saw an actual *decrease* in the number of licensed Technican-class operators. If these observations bear out into the future, all the "revolution" managed to accomplish is give a bunch of no-code techs HF privileges, and did little else to "bring new blood" into the hobby, like some people have claimed for decades the code test was prohibiting. 73 kh6hz |
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On Apr 7, 5:10?pm, "KH6HZ" wrote:
wrote: It's been about six weeks since the rules change, and there hasn't been any tremendous increase in the number of new hams nor a huge number of upgrades. Yes, there have been more than in previous months but it's hardly enough to be a "revolution". March's final numbers are in. Continuing with the trend in previous months, we saw a continued downward trend in the total number of licensed amateurs. In fact, since Speroni has been keeping statistics since 1997, the total number of licensed amateurs in March 07 -- a month after the "no-code 'revolution'" -- is at a historic low. Here are some more numbers of current, FCC issued amateur radio licenses held by individuals: As of February 22, 2007: Novice - 22,896 (3.5%) Technician - 293,508 (44.8%) Technician Plus - 30,818 (4.7%) General - 130,138 (19.9%) Advanced - 69,050 (10.5%) Extra - 108,270 (16.5%) Total Tech/TechPlus - 324,326 (49.5%) Total all classes - 654,680 As of April 6, 2007: Novice - 22,396 (3.4%) Technician - 288,621 (44.1%) Technician Plus - 29,128 (4.4%) General - 136,992 (20.9%) Advanced - 68,408 (10.4%) Extra - 109,591 (16.7%) Total Tech/TechPlus - 317,749 (48.5%) Total all classes - 655,136 That total-all-classes number wanders all over the place, btw. For example, on April 1, 2007, it was 654,468. Also, for the first time since 1994, we saw an actual *decrease* in the number of licensed Technican-class operators. Why should that be a surprise? A lot of Techs upgraded, and at least some newcomers bypassed Tech altogether, If these observations bear out into the future, all the "revolution" managed to accomplish is give a bunch of no-code techs HF privileges, and did little else to "bring new blood" into the hobby, like some people have claimed for decades the code test was prohibiting. That's a big *IF*. IMHO it's way too soon to tell. Six months or a year is more like it, not a month or six weeks. One thing that may happen is lots more new hams as the word gets out. Another is that the word may already be out, and the recent flurry of activity may not last. Time will tell. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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wrote in message oups.com... [snip] One thing that may happen is lots more new hams as the word gets out. Another is that the word may already be out, and the recent flurry of activity may not last. Time will tell. 73 de Jim, N2EY Trouble is unless people already know about amateur radio, they had no idea what the requirements were and that they have recently changed. Changing requirements does nothing to let people know that amateur radio exists and why they might be interested. Dee, N8UZE |
The First Month of the Revolution in USA Amateur Radio
On Apr 7, 2:25 am, Dave Heil wrote:
AF6AY wrote: Tsk, Brian, there ain't NO booze, branch water, or aqvavit to make Davey say such a thing without the adjective of "neophyte," "beginner" or whatever he needs to PUT DOWN OTHERS he no like! :-) I'm sorry that you don't like it, Len, but you are a beginner or neophyte in amateur radio. You're just getting started. You're just getting your feet wet. Don't worry, you'll get the hang of it. 73, Len AF6AY [Extra Out Of The Box!] ...after a delay of seven long years. "Right out of the box" never took place. Dave K8MN That's a fine way for the future director of the Roanoke Division to welcome a fellow amateur into the service. You're just the kind of amateur we need in the leadership. |
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On Apr 7, 5:31 pm, wrote:
On Apr 3, 1:34?pm, "AF6AY" wrote: On Mar 29, 6:24?pm, Dave Heil wrote a typical warm, wonderful "welcome" message of: Well, Len, you're just reaping what you've sown. Jim, when life appears to be treating you unfairly, it isn't. You just reap what you sow. KH6HZ wrote: "Dave Heil" wrote: You're being disingenuous again, Leonard. ?I've stated that you are a newcomer to *amateur* radio. Each time I've done so, you've tried to make it appear that I've used the generic term "radio". I think Grandpa Lennie is simply jealous of the fact that due to his waiting 54 years to get an amateur radio license... It doesn't matter whether he's jealous or not, Mike. ?He can fill up his years with getting on 75m and telling hams who have been in the game for decades about his experiences at ADA in the 1950's. ? ?Ah, but I DID have those experiences, proven by several ? ?publicly-accessible references and documented ? ?licenses. ?:-) Has anyone doubted that, Len? Is that an admission that you believe it? ? ?Tsk, that seems to **** off some "club call" collectors ? ?and civilian government service "careerists." ? :-) Is there something wrong with being in government service for a couple of decades? As long as it doesn't lead to a case of pompousness, as with Heil. ? ?Does having been granted a Commercial radiotelephone ? ?operator license 51 years ago NOT count? ? Count for what, Len? What do you think it should count for, when the subject is amateur radio? Welp, according to Heil, he was able to bypass military comms training as he held an amateur license. He was DDA. Of course it ? ?"doesn't count" sinc AMATEUR RADIO is the ONLY WAY ? ?one can "get experience" according to the snipers and ? ?general cat-callers. Amateur radio is the only way to get *amateur radio* experience, Len. You've got plenty of that, Jim. Probably more than a 4 year old Extra. Do you think you know more about amateur radio than someone who has been an active radio amateur for several decades? What's to know? Please start a list. -- and the fact that the actuarial tables state he probably doesn't have 15 years left... I don't intend to keep reminding him of his remaining time on the planet. Any of us could easily go before Len does. ?All it takes is a traffic accident (Roger Wiseman's death wish for me: failing brakes, sharp curves, twisting road) or a sudden illness. ?The fact is that I've already enjoyed 43 years in amateur radio. ? ?Practice safe and defensive driving, Sir Heil. ? ?I've enjoyed 54 years in MANY different radio services...and ? ?51 years of those NOT paid for directly the US government. And a couple of weeks as a licensed radio amateur. That makes you an amateur radio neophyte, Len. A beginner, novice, newcomer, wet-behind- the-ears tyro.Not that there's anything wrong with that. Right. Are you running for ARRL office as well? Sure sounds like it. -- he will be unable to accumulate 230k+ QSOs that others accumulated here have. If he gets busy and hones his skills, he could get it done. ?I made over that number in my nearly sixteen years overseas though it wasn't really that long since I was typically in the U.S. for two to three months between assignments and usually burned a month or so of leave in the U.S. or elsewhere each year. ?I've submitted nearly 30,000 QSOs to LOTW but I still have years of contest logs from the paper logging days which have yet to be entered into the computer logging database. ?It'd be nice to have a half million or so QSOs logged before departure time. ? ?I don't recall that U.S. government regulations REQUIRE ? ?all that CONTACT collection. ?[looking through Title 47 ? ?again...] ?Nope, NOTHING in the regulations about that... Doesn't matter. Neither does half a million 13 second QSO's. ? ?So, nearly a quarter million [transitory] CONTACTS via ? ?amateur radio. ?What does that prove? ? 1) Experience 2) Operating skill 3) A certain level of activity. I suspect that you are jealous of K8MN, Len. He's merely annoying. He knows everything - just ask him. The capability of ? ?making lots of [transitory] contacts? ?Yes, but doing so ? ?many is little more than accumulating some self-logged ? ?contacts that take a relatively long time to ascertain. I have no idea what that is supposed to mean. ? ?There are collectors who have amassed great quantities ? ?of pennies, string, and other items. Not the same thing at all. Beer can tabs, navel lint, etc. If Len Anderson wants to pretend that he is part of some revolution, let him play. ? ?Tsk, tsk, I *AM* part of the revolution... ?:-) What "revolution", Len? It's been about six weeks since the rules change, and there hasn't been any tremendous increase in the number of new hams nor a huge number of upgrades. Yes, there have been more than in previous months but it's hardly enough to be a "revolution". Must the revolution be in numbers? This revolution is in the regulations. He'll unbox his JA transceiver, hook it to a vertical antenna and have all the fun he is capable of having. ? ?Already done. ?:-) Let's see...you bought some manufactured equipment, put together a basic station, and made a few contacts using voice modes like SSB and FM. How "revolutionary" is that? He did it on HF without a single morse code exam. Nothing wrong with it as long as you follow the rules and good *amateur radio* practice, but it's hardly a revolution. Hmmmm? "Good Amateur Practice." Some of your Cronies have a hard time with that one. ? ?Marie, I know you want to give cake to the peasants, but ? ?don't lose your head in excoriating them... Are you one of the peasants, Len? You act more like you are one of the arrogant nobility. Len, nobility? He's merely your peer... your equal. Jim, N2EY- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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From: on 8 Apr 2007 08:47:20 -0700
Subject: What Revolution? On Apr 7, 5:31 pm, wrote: On Apr 3, 1:34?pm, "AF6AY" wrote: On Mar 29, 6:24?pm, Dave Heil wrote a typical warm, wonderful "welcome" message of: Well, Len, you're just reaping what you've sown. Jim, when life appears to be treating you unfairly, it isn't. You just reap what you sow. Hmmm...despite the slightly-hidden pun in there ("sow" & ham), I put them down as "tailors" busy, busy manufacturing things out of whole cloth. It is (to me) more like "they rape what they have sewn." ? ?Ah, but I DID have those experiences, proven by several ? ?publicly-accessible references and documented ? ?licenses. ?:-) Has anyone doubted that, Len? [yes, a few have, notably Heil who once said "you never did that in your life!"] Is that an admission that you believe it? Tsk, Brian, IF and only IF he does, it will truly be His Resurrection! ? ?Tsk, that seems to **** off some "club call" collectors ? ?and civilian government service "careerists." ? :-) Is there something wrong with being in government service for a couple of decades? As long as it doesn't lead to a case of pompousness, as with Heil. Heil's assignments were given by him as 1985 to 2000, a term of 15 years, NOT "a couple of decades." Hello? Can anyone see FACTUAL ERROR on Jimmie's part? Does having been granted a Commercial radiotelephone operator license 51 years ago NOT count? Count for what, Len? What do you think it should count for, when the subject is amateur radio? Welp, according to Heil, he was able to bypass military comms training as he held an amateur license. He was DDA. Is that the same as "DOA?" [Heil is dead in the water most of the time with his attitude...] Amateur radio is the only way to get *amateur radio* experience, Len. You've got plenty of that, Jim. Probably more than a 4 year old Extra. Right...according to these amateur professionals, AMATEUR radio does NOT work the same as all other radio. It is "different" and can never be compared to other radio. It's experience is totally different. Uh huh... Do you think you know more about amateur radio than someone who has been an active radio amateur for several decades? What's to know? Please start a list. Jimmie should WRITE A BOOK, maybe a whole set of volumes on his life and times in amateur radio, pioneering the airwaves of the 1980s with his morse code modes. Here's a suggested working title "200 Meters and Sideways." If the ARRL doesn't resell it, he can work it up as a promo of a recent motion picture...or get on a Jay Leno show in another morse v. cell-phone-text contest. And a couple of weeks as a licensed radio amateur. That makes you an amateur radio neophyte, Len. A beginner, novice, newcomer, wet-behind- the-ears tyro.Not that there's anything wrong with that. Right. Are you running for ARRL office as well? Sure sounds like it. Sigh. Another east coastie, warm and welcoming...but demanding that I bow down in "respect" to their mighty macho morsemanship and "years of national service" by twiddling their paddles and beeping in the cause of "homeland security." Jimmie still thinks that amateur radio works "differently" than all other radio. Perhaps he thinks that way out of ignorance in NOT being acquainted with all other radio or even just parts of all other radio? Maybe he was taught that in his school (that still thinks it was "first" to "invent" the "first electronic computer")? I don't recall that U.S. government regulations REQUIRE all that CONTACT collection. [looking through Title 47 again...] Nope, NOTHING in the regulations about that... Doesn't matter. Neither does half a million 13 second QSO's. Yes it DOES matter, Brian. By all that "different" amateur radio, those short QSOs result in life-long friendships and mutual love between morsemen. So, nearly a quarter million [transitory] CONTACTS via amateur radio. What does that prove? ? ?1) Experience? ? ?2) Operating skill? ? ?3) A certain level of activity.? ? ?I suspect that you are jealous of K8MN, Len.? He's merely annoying. He knows everything - just ask him. Jimmie is merely annoying with his little "game" of adding in question marks that were never written originally. I just did the same thing to him. Pointless exercise. Done to point out how petty and narrow-minded he is in his spite. The capability of making lots of [transitory] contacts? ?Yes, but doing so many is little more than accumulating some self-logged contacts that take a relatively long time to ascertain. ? ?I have no idea what that is supposed to mean.? There are collectors who have amassed great quantities of pennies, string, and other items. ? ?Not the same thing at all.? Beer can tabs, navel lint, etc. QSL cards over a whole wall...another wall filled with certificates of great (amateur) accomplishments...yet another wall filled with photographs (posed photo-ops) of him with other ham notables...fourth wall stacked with old, yellowing copies of QST going back longer than he has lived. Marker lines on the floor so that "friends and neighbors" know where to stand when "admiring his accomplishments." ? ?If Len Anderson wants to pretend that he is part of some revolution, let ? ?him play. Tsk, tsk, I *AM* part of the revolution... :-) ? ?What "revolution", Len? ? ?It's been about six weeks since the rules change, and? ? ?there hasn't been any tremendous increase in the number? ? ?of new hams nor a huge number of upgrades. Yes, there? ? ?have been more than in previous months but it's hardly? ? ?enough to be a "revolution".? Must the revolution be in numbers? This revolution is in the regulations. Brian, it hasn't sunk into his morsemen's mind yet. Morsemen's minds are too cluttered with beeps to get the picture of more complex subjects...at least until a Dave Sumner "editorial" explains it all to them in QST. ? ?Let's see...you bought some manufactured equipment,? ? ?put together a basic station, and made a few contacts? ? ?using voice modes like SSB and FM. How "revolutionary"? ? ?is that?? He did it on HF without a single morse code exam. On VHF first (the discone was up first), then on HF. :-) What ****es Jimmie off is that I took and passed ALL the test elements at one exam session...without asking for His Permission, too! "Extra out of the box!" Heil says I "didn't do it," yet I did. Sunnuvagun! ? ?Nothing wrong with it as long as you follow the rules and? ? ?good *amateur radio* practice, but it's hardly a? ? ?revolution.? Hmmmm? "Good Amateur Practice." Some of your Cronies have a hard time with that one. His Cronies only know morsemanship. To them, morsemanship is the ONLY "good amateur practice." Ptui. Marie, I know you want to give cake to the peasants, but don't lose your head in excoriating them... ? ?Are you one of the peasants, Len? ? ?You act more? ? ?like you are one of the arrogant nobility.? Len, nobility? He's merely your peer... your equal. ONLY in amateur radio, Brian...as far as all the privileges, rank, status, etc., which must REALLY **** him off! :-) Brian, like you, I've voluntarily served the US military; Jimmie never did that. I've worked in radio-electronics full-time since 1952; we don't know where Jimmie is supposed to work or what it is he really does for a living. You have a good family and children and I have a good wife who was my high school sweetheart; we don't know anything about Jimmie's personal life except that he has a younger brother "into radio." Is Jimmie Greater or Lesser than any of us? We don't know enough about Him to compare. Jimmie PRETENDS to be a "Somebody." Like an "amateur radio historian," pretending to be the olde-tymer, all the while cribbing from OTHER sources of ham radio history. Jimmie PRETENDS to be a real estate "expert" yet he has never dealt up-close-and-personal with any real estate matters in my city or neighborhood...yet he wants to imply He knows more and is therefore the 'superior being' on that. Jimmie PRETENDS to be a statistical archivist with his amateur radio numbers posting...yet those numbers are the SAME as what the ARRL posts plus his own commentary (7 years old) about the "difference between Techs and Tech Plusses." I don't PRETEND anything. I have opinions and am not scared to voice them. My work experience AND radio licensing is public record if anyone cares to look for it...and I DO have documented evidence to prove that (unlike The Robesin). But, some of the olde-tyme morsemen want to PUT DOWN those that don't share their lofty, god-given opinions. They don't take kindly to such folk and manage to pollute this newsgroup with their "I am better than you" bragging. I didn't decide to get into amateur radio on Their terms and wouldn't want to personally associate with such narrow- minded, arrogant persons. Amateur radio is, to me, much more than morsemanship and something to enjoy by itself, not a vehicle for morsepersons to engage in self- aggrandizement. 73s, Len AF6AY |
The First Month of the Revolution in USA Amateur Radio
From: on 8 Apr 2007 08:32:35 -0700
Subject: The First Month of the Revolution in USA Amateur Radio On Apr 7, 2:25 am, Dave Heil wrote: AF6AY wrote: Tsk, Brian, there ain't NO booze, branch water, or aqvavit to make Davey say such a thing without the adjective of "neophyte," "beginner" or whatever he needs to PUT DOWN OTHERS he no like! :-) I'm sorry that you don't like it, Len, but you are a beginner or neophyte in amateur radio. You're just getting started. You're just getting your feet wet. Don't worry, you'll get the hang of it. 73, Len AF6AY [Extra Out Of The Box!] ...after a delay of seven long years. "Right out of the box" never took place. FACTUAL ERROR by Heil! "Extra Out Of The Box" is a colloquial phrase referring to one who takes ALL test elements at one test session and passes all of them. That is what I did on 25 Feb 07. Four VE examiners in that session, all Amateur Extras who cross-checked each other's scoring for accuracy. An ARRL VEC exam team, their work was checked in Newington and approved...then sent to the FCC who approved my application and granted my Amateur Extra class license on 7 Mar 07. Judge "Roy Bean" Heil doesn't like that. My license was granted without HIS approval. Tsk, tsk. He should take that to a higher court and DEMAND a retrial (until I am proven "guilty")? Sure seems like it. That's a fine way for the future director of the Roanoke Division to welcome a fellow amateur into the service. You're just the kind of amateur we need in the leadership. Maybe the Roanoke Division is like that. I don't know. NOT my territory. If that is the kind of "welcome" a new US radio amateur gets there, it is a wonder they have ANY new amateurs in that Division. I care less of what another "Division" does. I am a resident of California, the most populous of the USA and also with the most US amateur radio licensees. I've not gotten Heil's "treatment" of newcomers out here, but rather the opposite. I enjoy that in-person and on the air. I'm not ready to visit the land of the east coasties with their aloof, I-am-your- superior-and-rule-over-you attitude. :-( Fuggem say I. 73, Len AF6AY |
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From: "Dee Flint" on Sat, 7 Apr 2007 22:23:24
-0400 Subject: What Revolution? wrote in message One thing that may happen is lots more new hams as the word gets out. Another is that the word may already be out, and the recent flurry of activity may not last. Time will tell. Trouble is unless people already know about amateur radio, they had no idea what the requirements were and that they have recently changed. Changing requirements does nothing to let people know that amateur radio exists and why they might be interested. Excellent point, Dee! Those whose entire life experience seems tied up in amateur radio have, generally, lost the ability to look at it from the outside. From them there is NO sign that they are encouraging "civilians" to "enter their service." Or, rather, "THEIR service" since they ARE tied up in it and are very possessive about Their idea of What It Should Be. The ARRL can do only so much. It is for their membership of those Already In amateur radio. In my opinion, the League has yet to do much and is too wrapped up in getting high-fives for a job (not) well-done from those IN amateur radio. For a boost to the "civilians" (who might know something about "radio"), there's a better chance of getting promotion aimed at "civilians" through newsstand magazines. One example is Popular Communications...sometimes derided by the IN crowd in amateur radio because it is not solely concerned with ham radio. [CB users might out-number hams by 5:1 to even 7:1, hard to tell since CB isn't licensed] [neither are SWLs] Hams beating their own drums IN amateur radio isn't doing a thing for getting "civilians" interested. Those hams are too insular, too wrapped up in themselves, to see their negative effect on the hobby. But...they can't be told that because their own egos cloud their mental visibility. :-) 73, Len AF6AY |
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AF6AY wrote:
From: on 8 Apr 2007 08:47:20 -0700 Subject: What Revolution? On Apr 7, 5:31 pm, wrote: On Apr 3, 1:34?pm, "AF6AY" wrote: On Mar 29, 6:24?pm, Dave Heil wrote: ? ?Ah, but I DID have those experiences, proven by several ? ?publicly-accessible references and documented ? ?licenses. ?:-) Has anyone doubted that, Len? [yes, a few have, notably Heil who once said "you never did that in your life!"] Your statement is a falsehood, "Anderson". Your quote of me is manufactured by you. Is that an admission that you believe it? Tsk, Brian, IF and only IF he does, it will truly be His Resurrection! Are you doing Eastertide funnies, Leonard? And a couple of weeks as a licensed radio amateur. That makes you an amateur radio neophyte, Len. A beginner, novice, newcomer, wet-behind- the-ears tyro.Not that there's anything wrong with that. Right. Are you running for ARRL office as well? Sure sounds like it. Sigh. Another east coastie, warm and welcoming...but demanding that I bow down in "respect" to their mighty macho morsemanship and "years of national service" by twiddling their paddles and beeping in the cause of "homeland security." I must have missed the demand that you bow down in respect or anything else, Len. Where was that part. It is a fact that you're a brand new amateur radio licensee. What ****es Jimmie off is that I took and passed ALL the test elements at one exam session...without asking for His Permission, too! I've seen no evidence that your claim is true. He's probably just noted that you acted like a horse's patoot before you obtained an amateur radio license and that you've carried that behavior into amateur radio. "Extra out of the box!" Heil says I "didn't do it," yet I did. Sunnuvagun! You can't have, Len. You announced it over seven years back and waited for the regs to change before you took any amateur radio licensing exams. That's not "right out" of anything. If someone tells me, "I'll be right out", no one expects that to mean, "I'll be there in seven years." Marie, I know you want to give cake to the peasants, but don't lose your head in excoriating them... ? ?Are you one of the peasants, Len? You act more? ? ?like you are one of the arrogant nobility.? Len, nobility? He's merely your peer... your equal. ONLY in amateur radio, Brian...as far as all the privileges, rank, status, etc., which must REALLY **** him off! :-) You haven't had enough time in amateur radio to be equal to anyone but another neophyte, Len. Brian, like you, I've voluntarily served the US military; Jimmie never did that. ....to your knowledge. I've worked in radio-electronics full-time since 1952; we don't know where Jimmie is supposed to work or what it is he really does for a living. It is apparent that not knowing bugs the hell out of you. You have a good family and children and I have a good wife who was my high school sweetheart; we don't know anything about Jimmie's personal life except that he has a younger brother "into radio." It is also apparent that your lack of information on Jim's personal life also bugs the hell out of you. Is Jimmie Greater or Lesser than any of us? We don't know enough about Him to compare. It can be demonstrated that Jim has over 40 times as much experience in amateur radio than you, Leonard. Chew on that for a while. Jimmie PRETENDS to be a "Somebody." I've never seen evidence that he is pretending anything, Len. Like an "amateur radio historian,"... Jim seems very well versed in the history of amateur radio. He has been able to point to a number of errors you've made in things which have taken place in amateur radio. I've never seen a post where he refers to himself as an "amateur radio historian". ...pretending to be the olde-tymer... He's been a radio amateur for better than forty years. Here on Earth, anyone who has done anything for forty years can be considered an old timer. ...all the while cribbing from OTHER sources of ham radio history. You've done some cribbing of your own, Leonard--and all about something in which you were not a partcipant. Jimmie PRETENDS to be a real estate "expert" yet he has never dealt up-close-and-personal with any real estate matters in my city or neighborhood...yet he wants to imply He knows more and is therefore the 'superior being' on that. Jim's analogy of real estate zoning changes in your local area to your attempts as an outsider to effect change in amateur radio licensing (all the while insisting that it was not for your personal benefit) was an apt one. You didn't like that one single bit. Jimmie PRETENDS to be a statistical archivist with his amateur radio numbers posting...yet those numbers are the SAME as what the ARRL posts plus his own commentary (7 years old) about the "difference between Techs and Tech Plusses." You say that Jim pretends, yet he has posted the data on a regular basis. I can find no errors in the material he has submitted. You've posted some numbers on an irregular basis. Were you PRETENDING to be a statistical archivist? I don't PRETEND anything. Don't sell yourself short, "Lennie." I have opinions and am not scared to voice them. It isn't about fear, Len. It should be about exercising restraint and using civility. You just plain honk people off. My work experience AND radio licensing is public record if anyone cares to look for it... ....or if anyone cares. ...and I DO have documented evidence to prove that (unlike The Robesin). There is no one named "Robesin" who has posted here. If you mean Steve Robeson, he hasn't submitted proof of his military service to you. That's not the same as it not haven taken place. I've advised you several times that there is a free site on which his Marine Corps service is confirmed, this despite your statement that no such site exists. Have you found it yet. I have plenty of proof of my military service, but I'm not going to submit it to you. You've squawked about that and you've insulted me over my Vietnam service a number of times, that despite your claims that you've never denigrated the military service of a fellow veteran. You bleat something and proceed to exhibit behavior which is at odds with your statements. But, some of the olde-tyme morsemen want to PUT DOWN those that don't share their lofty, god-given opinions. I'm an old timer. I do not use Morse Code exclusively. I'm an amateur radio operator. I PUT you DOWN because you continue to act like a horse's ass. They don't take kindly to such folk and manage to pollute this newsgroup with their "I am better than you" bragging. No one here has done more "I am better than you" bragging, than Leonard H. Anderson, a man who, up until a few weeks back, was not an amateur radio op. There are bigger newsgroup polluters, but none can match your word output. I didn't decide to get into amateur radio on Their terms and wouldn't want to personally associate with such narrow- minded, arrogant persons. You really showed everyone. You put off entry into amateur radio for decades (in terms of your declared interest) and by eleven years (in terms of r.r.a.p. participation). Amateur radio is, to me, much more than morsemanship... It'd have to be. You can't handle the use of Morse. ...and something to enjoy by itself... So who is stopping you from enjoying it. Are you enjoying amateur radio? ...not a vehicle for morsepersons to engage in self- aggrandizement. No one here has done more self-promotion than Leonard H. Anderson. 73s, Len AF6AY The term is "73", Len. Dave K8MN |
The First Month of the Revolution in USA Amateur Radio
AF6AY wrote:
From: on 8 Apr 2007 08:32:35 -0700 Subject: The First Month of the Revolution in USA Amateur Radio On Apr 7, 2:25 am, Dave Heil wrote: AF6AY wrote: Tsk, Brian, there ain't NO booze, branch water, or aqvavit to make Davey say such a thing without the adjective of "neophyte," "beginner" or whatever he needs to PUT DOWN OTHERS he no like! :-) I'm sorry that you don't like it, Len, but you are a beginner or neophyte in amateur radio. You're just getting started. You're just getting your feet wet. Don't worry, you'll get the hang of it. 73, Len AF6AY [Extra Out Of The Box!] ...after a delay of seven long years. "Right out of the box" never took place. FACTUAL ERROR by Heil! "Extra Out Of The Box" is a colloquial phrase referring to one who takes ALL test elements at one test session and passes all of them. That is what I did on 25 Feb 07. Please look at my direct quote of your words: "Extra right out of the box". Please note the word "right" which appears before the words "out of the box." If you hadn't written that particular word, you might be able to make a case. The word "right" exists however. Now you have a problem. Your quote comes from over seven years in the past. Your passing of amateur radio exams was on February 25th of this years. That's nor "right out" of anything. Judge "Roy Bean" Heil doesn't like that. I don't like your playing fast and loose with fact, Foghorn. That's a fine way for the future director of the Roanoke Division to welcome a fellow amateur into the service. You're just the kind of amateur we need in the leadership. Maybe the Roanoke Division is like that. Do you know what geographical areas make up the Roanoke Division, Len? As a new licensee and a new League member, you've probably not had much time to learn about the various ARRL Divisions. I don't know. I have little trouble believing that. NOT my territory. So you've apparently learned that you do not live in the Roanoke Division. If that is the kind of "welcome" a new US radio amateur gets there, it is a wonder they have ANY new amateurs in that Division. I think you'd find that folks who are warm and friendly receive a warm and friendly welcome. Those who are not warm and friendly might not receive a warm and friendly welcome. You may find that to be true in your Division. I care less of what another "Division" does. I see a problem with your attitude, Len. You don't want to get off on the wrong foot. I am a resident of California, the most populous of the USA and also with the most US amateur radio licensees. Okay, you know what state you're in. Do you know your ARRL Division yet? Have you found out in which Section you reside? I've not gotten Heil's "treatment" of newcomers out here, but rather the opposite. Give 'em time to get to know you, Len. They're probably just being polite. I enjoy that in-person and on the air. That's nice. I'm not ready to visit the land of the east coasties with their aloof, I-am-your- superior-and-rule-over-you attitude. :-( West Virginia has no coastline, Len. It is not a northern state. Some try to call it a mid-Atlantic state, but it isn't on the Atlantic. Most of the northern panhandle is northern in attitude. The bulk of the state is southern in attitude and by inclination. West Virginia is the northernmost state in the Roanoke Division of the ARRL. If you ever come for a visit, I'll keep mum on your r.r.a.p. attitudes. When you open your mouth and start talking, you're on your own. Keep that massive wedgie I told you about in the back of your mind. Fuggem say I. ....but not to their faces. Dave K8MN |
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