In article , Mike Coslo writes:

N2EY wrote:
In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

You are confusing good manners with weakness. You are also confusing
good manners with backbone.

So who's got which?

Lenover21 is on record saying that good manners are a sign of weakness.
Oddly enough, the opposite is true.

Exactly.

Bluff, bluster, insults and invective are a pretty good sign of a weak
argument and often of insecurity.

Very true. Some people simply cannot tolerate disagreement with their cherished
opinions, and lash out at those who disagree.

Even worse, when they are proved to be in error, some people get *really* mad.
But it doesn't change the facts.

Eventually the various forms of personal attack turn into variations on the
theme "shut up". Of course that's amazingly ineffective in a newsgroup.

Always has been and always will be.

Absolutely.

73 de Jim, N2EY

In article , WA8ULX says...

How could I? I've never met any.



Well I guess you just cant tell the difference

I can tell the difference.

* You wrench your hands in the sink with an onion bar to get the crawfish smell
off.

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article ,
(William) writes:

(Quitefine) wrote in message
...
In article ,
(William) writes:

(Quitefine) wrote in message
...
In article ,
(William) writes:
tense.

Why not? You have no future on RRAP. Just go back to being Jimmy
Who. That's anonymous enough.

Miccolis must think he has a "job" on here, trying to establish
a perfect attendence by being here every single day, writing
thousands of words in order to establish a "rep" as a "guru."

While you have no experience in amateur radio, Leonard, you certainly
speak from experience in your comments about writing thousands of words
in order to attempt establishing a reputation as a guru. You are the
most prolific of non-radio amateurs in an amateur radio newsgroup.

Jimmie thinks he "has a future." That be enough rationalization.

"Jimmie"?

If you ever have a future in amateur radio, it will be a short one.
You've talked and talked and talked the talk. You've not yet begun to
walk the walk.

Dave K8MN

I can tell the difference.


Well my guess is you need GLASSES

Gee.... seems like I have made that statement many times before!

Ryan KC8PMX


It's difficult for people to develop an interest in ham radio when they
have
never heard of it. Most people that I know who are not hams never even
heard about it until they met me.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

That is making the assumption that they even were aware of CB in the first
place to have it as a comparison. There are alot of people after a certain
window of time that are completely oblivious to CB.

Ryan KC8PMX

Many people may think that ham radio is just a glorified
version of CB. No, I'm not talking about the occasional
"lid" or newbie that gets on the air and makes errors.
Or the hams on 2m saying "10-4" on the repeater. I mean the
general chaos and ratchet jawing and echo boxes you find on CB.
That some CBers seem more interested in "broadcasting" whatnot
than actually talking to someone.

nope WA8ULX is a cross eyed mealy-mouthed slop wallower!

In article , WA8ULX says...

I can tell the difference.


Well my guess is you need GLASSES

Subject: ARS License Numbers
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 8/24/2004 4:38 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article ,
(Quitefine) writes:

In article ,
(Len Over 21) writes:

In article ,

(Quitefine) writes:

In article ,
(William) writes:

And for what it's worth, have you noticed that we used to have an ANON
poster on here going by the "handle" of Quitefine?

Why do you write of
us in the past tense?

Steve has an
unnatural attraction for every ANON poster on here EXCEPT for
Quitefine.

It seems that 'Steve' is
not the only one :-) :-)

You and Lenover21 have both
tried to be anonymous here.
You have not had a problem
with others' anonymity, as
long as they agreed with you.

Jimmie, why do you LIE?

Whom do you address, Len?

James P. Miccolis, one of the few here on AOL. :-)

Jimmie, quit the charade. You were OUTED after the first message.

Not a problem (except to Yell-yell) on ID-ing you by phrases, syntax
and opinions. The spacing thing doesn't fool anyone.

Quit the charade.

Or Leonard H. Anderson playing both sides....Which is more it.

Steve, K4YZ

Dave Heil wrote in message ...

"Jimmie"?

If you ever have a future in amateur radio, it will be a short one.
You've talked and talked and talked the talk. You've not yet begun to
walk the walk.

Dave K8MN

Hey Dave, what is Quitefine's role in amateur radio?

Brian wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...

"Jimmie"?

If you ever have a future in amateur radio, it will be a short one.
You've talked and talked and talked the talk. You've not yet begun to
walk the walk.

Dave K8MN

Hey Dave, what is Quitefine's role in amateur radio?

I have no idea. Why not ask him?

Dave K8MN

In article ,
(Brian) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...

Shhhh. We can't tell Jimmie that. He get all flustery, make lots
and lots of indents as hypocritical anonymous anomaly in here.

That's what happens to olde-tyme hammes doing too much morse?

Wonder if he's smoking it or snorting it?

I suspect Mainlining it...

In article ,
(Brian) writes:

(WA8ULX) wrote in message
...
I can tell the difference.


Well my guess is you need GLASSES

This is where Yell DMC comes in demanding an Eye Doctors Certificate.

I don't think so. One PCTA extra wouldn't challenge another PCTA
extra, would they? :-)

NURSIE is tolerated by "Quitefine." QED.

PCTA extra Double Standard...[double thick]

In article , PAMNO
(N2EY) writes:

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

N2EY wrote:
In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

You are confusing good manners with weakness. You are also confusing
good manners with backbone.

So who's got which?

Lenover21 is on record saying that good manners are a sign of weakness.
Oddly enough, the opposite is true.

Exactly.

Bluff, bluster, insults and invective are a pretty good sign of a weak
argument and often of insecurity.

Very true. Some people simply cannot tolerate disagreement with their
cherished
opinions, and lash out at those who disagree.

Such as "Quitefine." :-)

Even worse, when they are proved to be in error, some people get *really* mad.
But it doesn't change the facts.

Especially "Quitefine!" :-)

Eventually the various forms of personal attack turn into variations on the
theme "shut up". Of course that's amazingly ineffective in a newsgroup.

Jimmie and "Quitefine" never cease talking, pontificating, going on
and on with subjects they aren't, nor were ever qualified in... :-)

Always has been and always will be.

Absolutely.

Jimmie ALWAYS here...we don't know if "Quitefine" will live... :-)

In article ,
(William) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article ,
(William) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article ,
(William) writes:

Until you're well, you're not worth responding to. I guess you're
happy enough not being responsible for your actions. Best of Luck on
your road to recovery.

That about sums it up. :-)



Yep, he can go back to barking at the moon.

He a Was-wolf... :-)

Think he have long fangs on Fool Moon.

[false teeth]

In article ,
(Brian) writes:

Dave Heil wrote in message
...

"Jimmie"?

If you ever have a future in amateur radio, it will be a short one.
You've talked and talked and talked the talk. You've not yet begun to
walk the walk.

Dave K8MN

Hey Dave, what is Quitefine's role in amateur radio?

Robust oberst not know, passes da buck.

No committment in messaging... :-)

Or, he too busy walking and talking, not listening...

In article ,
(William) writes:

(Quitefine) wrote in message
...
In article ,
(William) writes:

(Quitefine) wrote in message
...
In article ,
(William) writes:
You have no future on RRAP.

You are mistaken.
Here we are.

You and Lenover21 have both
tried to be anonymous here.

You did not clearly
identify yourself.

I didn't intend to fool anyone. I rarely sign off with my name or
call anyway. Haven't for a long time.

Then why do you criticize
others for doing the same thing?

You can and will read nefarious intent into any of my
actions.

Is there something
"nefarious" about
wishing to be
anonymous? We
do not think so.

Steve thinks so, and that's what's important here.

We did not ask Steve.
We asked you.

We ask again:
Is there something
"nefarious" about
wishing to be
anonymous?

You claim that he is "nuts" and
"on meds". If you believe that
to be true, why do you antagonize
him?

Simple. He won't back off.

Neither will you.

He doesn't know how to.

Neither do you, apparently.

His handlers cannot control him.

Whom do you speak of?
Are others somehow
responsible for what he
writes?

He's a menace.

How is he a menace?

And to whom?

In article ,
(Quitefine) writes:

In article ,
(William) writes:

(Quitefine) wrote in message
...
In article ,
(William) writes:

(Quitefine) wrote in message
...
In article ,
(William) writes:
You have no future on RRAP.

You are mistaken.
Here we are.

YOU are not there, James P. Miccolis.

You've put on some emperor "new clothes" and think you are stylish?

Not so. Still naked and exposed you are, Jimmie.


I didn't intend to fool anyone. I rarely sign off with my name or
call anyway. Haven't for a long time.

Then why do you criticize
others for doing the same thing?

Why do you, Jimmie?


We did not ask Steve.
We asked you.

Oh, oh...the royal "we we" again. Tsk.

Jimmie hit the Big Time with a certified DUAL PERSONALITY.

We ask again:
Is there something
"nefarious" about
wishing to be
anonymous?

Quit shaking your "we we," Jimmie. What would the nuns think?

Simple. He won't back off.

Neither will you.

So James P. Miccolis goes and gets what he thinks is an
"anonymous" screen name (he can have 7) on AOL and
ADDS MORE FUEL TO DISPUTES.

Hypocrite Jimmie, wanting calm and reasoning capitulation to his
opinions, and not getting any...making up "anonymouse" postings.

He doesn't know how to.

Neither do you, apparently.

Actually, we CAN, PCTA extra with a Double Standard Miccolis.

Your problem (and it IS one) is being unable to stay calm and
civil (as you demand of others) and going all-out for an ANONYMOUS
ID. Not even a clever fake callsign. Or anything else.

His handlers cannot control him.

Whom do you speak of?
Are others somehow
responsible for what he
writes?

The only one responsible for YOUR writing is yourself. Why do
you pollute the very arena that you trample in daily?

Jimmie, you are playing the anonymous antagonist here, being
hypocritical to everything you've said before. Tsk. That's SICK.

He's a menace.

How is he a menace?

Nursie has driven you over the edge, Jimmie. You've joined the
"dark side" of the Force and pretend you are Darth Vader in a
breather mask.

You come across about 2 feet tall with a dainty white hankie
instead of black helmet and black mask. :-)

And to whom?

Only to YOURSELF. You can't see what it's done to you, so you
try to escape in your own mind.

You don't fool anyone else. Just yourself.

Think about how your behavior reflects on the amateur radio service.

It's not good.

Subject: ARS License Numbers
From: (Brian)
Date: 8/25/2004 2:34 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

This is where Yell DMC comes in demanding an Eye Doctors Certificate.

Nope.....

This is where Steve congratulates Brian for coming out into the open.

73

Steve, K4YZ

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

must think he has a "job" on here, trying to establish
a perfect attendence by being here every single day, writing
thousands of words in order to establish a "rep" as a "guru."

While you have no experience in amateur radio, Leonard, you certainly
speak from experience in your comments about writing thousands of words
in order to attempt establishing a reputation as a guru.

I think the shrinks call it "projection", Dave. But I could be mistaken. It's
where someone projects what *they* do onto others' behavior. Plus they often
deny their own motives.

All anyone needs to do is read rrap for a while and see who the most frequent
and verbose posters here are. While I'm here often, my words are few and far
between compared to the ocean of words from Len and a few others.

You are the
most prolific of non-radio amateurs in an amateur radio newsgroup.

Possibly the most prolific of all who post here.

Jimmie thinks he "has a future." That be enough rationalization.

"Jimmie"?

Haven't you noticed that Len almost never addresses anyone who disagrees with
him by their signature name or callsign? I don't know why that is, but the
behavior is remarkably predictable. Seems to be a compulsion to work in every
possible insult.

If you ever have a future in amateur radio, it will be a short one.
You've talked and talked and talked the talk. You've not yet begun to
walk the walk.

No worry about that!

73 de Jim, N2EY

In article , (big
jet pilot gunnery nurse Yell-yell during a grounding) writes:

Subject: ARS License Numbers
From: (Brian)
Date: 8/25/2004 2:34 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

This is where Yell DMC comes in demanding an Eye Doctors Certificate.

Nope.....

This is where Steve congratulates Brian for coming out into the open.

Brian deserves congratulations for showing NURSIE's real side... :-)

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Brian wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...

"Jimmie"?

If you ever have a future in amateur radio, it will be a short one.
You've talked and talked and talked the talk. You've not yet begun to
walk the walk.

Dave K8MN

Hey Dave, what is Quitefine's role in amateur radio?

I have no idea. Why not ask him?

Dave K8MN

But Dave, we've got you running around here commenting on people's
roles in amateur radio. And we've got Quitefine trying so hard to
establish herself as having a role in amateur radio.

So what is Quitefine's role? Unless you're just here to give her a
pass.

William wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Brian wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...

"Jimmie"?

If you ever have a future in amateur radio, it will be a short one.
You've talked and talked and talked the talk. You've not yet begun to
walk the walk.

Dave K8MN

Hey Dave, what is Quitefine's role in amateur radio?

I have no idea. Why not ask him?

Dave K8MN

But Dave, we've got you running around here commenting on people's
roles in amateur radio. And we've got Quitefine trying so hard to
establish herself as having a role in amateur radio.

You don't have me doing anything. I'm not running at all. I'm sitting
in a comfy chair. As to commenting on peoples' roles in amateur radio,
they first have to be radio amateurs in order to have a role. Len
doesn't have a role in amateur radio. Whether Leonard H. Anderson posts
here or doesn't post here, amateur radio goes on. Morse code goes on.
Chasing DX goes on.

So what is Quitefine's role? Unless you're just here to give her a
pass.

I'm not Quitefine. You have a bad habit of directing your questions to
the wrong people. You need to ask Quitefine. You may or may not get an
answer.

Dave K8MN

William wrote:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article ,
(Brian) writes:

Dave Heil wrote in message
...

"Jimmie"?

If you ever have a future in amateur radio, it will be a short one.
You've talked and talked and talked the talk. You've not yet begun to
walk the walk.

Dave K8MN

Hey Dave, what is Quitefine's role in amateur radio?

Robust oberst not know, passes da buck.

No committment in messaging... :-)

Or, he too busy walking and talking, not listening...

Walking and chewing gum at same time without tripping or biting his tongue.

All kidding aside, "William", it is nearly 41 years that I've been
licensed as a radio amateur. I've made no empty brags about getting an
"Extra right out of the box". I just did it.

Smoke blowers need not apply.

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
William wrote:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article ,
(Brian) writes:

Dave Heil wrote in message
...

"Jimmie"?

If you ever have a future in amateur radio, it will be a short one.
You've talked and talked and talked the talk. You've not yet begun to
walk the walk.

Dave K8MN

Hey Dave, what is Quitefine's role in amateur radio?

Robust oberst not know, passes da buck.

No committment in messaging... :-)

Or, he too busy walking and talking, not listening...

Walking and chewing gum at same time without tripping or biting his tongue.

All kidding aside, "William", it is nearly 41 years that I've been
licensed as a radio amateur. I've made no empty brags about getting an
"Extra right out of the box". I just did it.

Wow!

You got an Extra right out of the box?

That should be easily verifiable. No other intervening licenses?

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
William wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Brian wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...

"Jimmie"?

If you ever have a future in amateur radio, it will be a short one.
You've talked and talked and talked the talk. You've not yet begun to
walk the walk.

Dave K8MN

Hey Dave, what is Quitefine's role in amateur radio?

I have no idea. Why not ask him?

Dave K8MN

But Dave, we've got you running around here commenting on people's
roles in amateur radio. And we've got Quitefine trying so hard to
establish herself as having a role in amateur radio.

You don't have me doing anything.

I may not "have" you doing it, but you're doing it none-the-less.
Feel better?

I'm not running at all. I'm sitting
in a comfy chair. As to commenting on peoples' roles in amateur radio,
they first have to be radio amateurs in order to have a role.

Tell me about Quitefine. Is she an amateur?

(Please refer to Jimmy Who's Point Paper that was faxed out late
Sunday)

Len doesn't have a role in amateur radio. Whether Leonard H. Anderson posts
here or doesn't post here, amateur radio goes on. Morse code goes on.
Chasing DX goes on.

Does it go on with or without Quitefine?

So what is Quitefine's role? Unless you're just here to give her a
pass.

I'm not Quitefine.

I'm not Quitesure.

Are you Quitesure?

You have a bad habit of directing your questions to
the wrong people.

Actually, no. You have the bad habit of enabling anonymous people to
behave badly, while crying foul with respect to some people who do
identify themselves.

You need to ask Quitefine. You may or may not get an
answer.

I asked you. I won't get an answer because you have a history of
enabling bad behavior. working out of band French ops on 6M.

"Sorry Hans, Working French Hams Out-Of-Band IS JUST LIKE
Working French Hams In-Band!"

Hi, hi!

William wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
William wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Brian wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...

"Jimmie"?

If you ever have a future in amateur radio, it will be a short one.
You've talked and talked and talked the talk. You've not yet begun to
walk the walk.

Dave K8MN

Hey Dave, what is Quitefine's role in amateur radio?

I have no idea. Why not ask him?

But Dave, we've got you running around here commenting on people's
roles in amateur radio. And we've got Quitefine trying so hard to
establish herself as having a role in amateur radio.

You don't have me doing anything.

I may not "have" you doing it, but you're doing it none-the-less.
Feel better?

As long as you realize that your "we have you running around" statement
is in error.

I'm not running at all. I'm sitting
in a comfy chair. As to commenting on peoples' roles in amateur radio,
they first have to be radio amateurs in order to have a role.

Tell me about Quitefine. Is she an amateur?

I haven't the slightest idea. I'm not Quitefine. You need to address
your question to Quitefine.

(Please refer to Jimmy Who's Point Paper that was faxed out late
Sunday)

Len doesn't have a role in amateur radio. Whether Leonard H. Anderson posts
here or doesn't post here, amateur radio goes on. Morse code goes on.
Chasing DX goes on.

Does it go on with or without Quitefine?

It certainly does.

So what is Quitefine's role? Unless you're just here to give her a
pass.

I'm not Quitefine.

I'm not Quitesure.

Are you Quitesure?

Yes.

You have a bad habit of directing your questions to
the wrong people.

Actually, no.

Actually, yes you do.

You have the bad habit of enabling anonymous people to
behave badly, while crying foul with respect to some people who do
identify themselves.

What are you, Susan Sarandon? Barbra Streisand?
I'm not buying your "enabling" scenario. I'm responsible for my
actions.
You are responsible for your actions.

You need to ask Quitefine. You may or may not get an
answer.

I asked you.

That was a poor decision on your part. You keep making the same mistake
of seeking information from the wrong source.

I won't get an answer because you have a history of
enabling bad behavior. working out of band French ops on 6M.

You won't get an answer because I'm not the person posting as
"Quitefine".
French authorities are responsible for what French radio amateurs do.
That's been pointed out to you any number of times. It doesn't say much
for your intelligence that you've been unable to grasp this basic
concept.

"Sorry Hans, Working French Hams Out-Of-Band IS JUST LIKE
Working French Hams In-Band!"

Hans? He isn't involved. He's already advised you that he thinks
you're all wet on this one too, "Bill".

Dave K8MN

In article ,
(William) writes:

Dave Heil wrote in message
...
William wrote:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article ,
(Brian) writes:

Dave Heil wrote in message
...

"Jimmie"?

If you ever have a future in amateur radio, it will be a short one.
You've talked and talked and talked the talk. You've not yet begun
to
walk the walk.

Dave K8MN

Hey Dave, what is Quitefine's role in amateur radio?

Robust oberst not know, passes da buck.

No committment in messaging... :-)

Or, he too busy walking and talking, not listening...

Walking and chewing gum at same time without tripping or biting his
tongue.

All kidding aside, "William", it is nearly 41 years that I've been
licensed as a radio amateur. I've made no empty brags about getting an
"Extra right out of the box". I just did it.

Wow!

You got an Extra right out of the box?

That should be easily verifiable. No other intervening licenses?

Wow! That IS impressive! Imagine...a whole 41 years as an
AMATEUR!

Gosh and golly, I've been a licensed professional in radio for a
mere 48 years and kept on working in that since. I just did it.

:-)

"No matter what job, educational level, employer, or
government/military service that anyone has, if said anyone
opposes Heil's views, he/she will be the target of Heil's insults,
ridicule, name-calling, factual errors, ethnic slurs, total lack of
emoticons and social-interaction graces, acting in an arrogant,
elitist manner...for years" :-)

LHA / WMD

In article ,
(William) writes:

Dave Heil wrote in message
...
William wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message
...
Brian wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message
...

"Jimmie"?

If you ever have a future in amateur radio, it will be a short one.
You've talked and talked and talked the talk. You've not yet begun
to
walk the walk.

Dave K8MN

Hey Dave, what is Quitefine's role in amateur radio?

I have no idea. Why not ask him?

Dave K8MN

But Dave, we've got you running around here commenting on people's
roles in amateur radio. And we've got Quitefine trying so hard to
establish herself as having a role in amateur radio.

You don't have me doing anything.

I may not "have" you doing it, but you're doing it none-the-less.
Feel better?

Poor baby got hooked and tries to talk his way out of being caught!

I'm not running at all. I'm sitting
in a comfy chair. As to commenting on peoples' roles in amateur radio,
they first have to be radio amateurs in order to have a role.

Tell me about Quitefine. Is she an amateur?

(Please refer to Jimmy Who's Point Paper that was faxed out late
Sunday)

Geez...I missed that FAX!

Like the vast majority of citizens, I'm "not involved" with anything
in amateur radio! (according to the not-so-robust oberst).

Len doesn't have a role in amateur radio. Whether Leonard H. Anderson posts
here or doesn't post here, amateur radio goes on. Morse code goes on.
Chasing DX goes on.

Does it go on with or without Quitefine?

It must! Oberst Heil permits it!

"Quitefine" IS INVOLVED with ham radio! So is "BVD!"

Both are "identifiable" by Oberst Heil since their "papers" are in order!

So what is Quitefine's role? Unless you're just here to give her a
pass.

I'm not Quitefine.

I'm not Quitesure.

Are you Quitesure?

Poor guy is Quiteconfused by now.

Too many identities!

You have a bad habit of directing your questions to
the wrong people.

Actually, no. You have the bad habit of enabling anonymous people to
behave badly, while crying foul with respect to some people who do
identify themselves.

He is a Latter-Day Colonel Klink but still does a bad imitation of
Otto Preminger...

You need to ask Quitefine. You may or may not get an
answer.

I asked you. I won't get an answer because you have a history of
enabling bad behavior. working out of band French ops on 6M.

"Sorry Hans, Working French Hams Out-Of-Band IS JUST LIKE
Working French Hams In-Band!"

Hi, hi!

"No matter what job, educational level, employer, or
government/military service that anyone has, if said anyone
opposes Heil's views, he/she will be the target of Heil's insults,
ridicule, name-calling, factual errors, ethnic slurs, total lack of
emoticons and social-interaction graces, acting in an arrogant,
elitist manner...for years" :-)

LHA / WMD

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

William wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message
...
William wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message
...
Brian wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message
...

"Jimmie"?

If you ever have a future in amateur radio, it will be a short
one.
You've talked and talked and talked the talk. You've not yet
begun to
walk the walk.

Dave K8MN

Hey Dave, what is Quitefine's role in amateur radio?

I have no idea. Why not ask him?

But Dave, we've got you running around here commenting on people's
roles in amateur radio. And we've got Quitefine trying so hard to
establish herself as having a role in amateur radio.

You don't have me doing anything.

I may not "have" you doing it, but you're doing it none-the-less.
Feel better?

As long as you realize that your "we have you running around" statement
is in error.

I'm not running at all. I'm sitting
in a comfy chair. As to commenting on peoples' roles in amateur radio,
they first have to be radio amateurs in order to have a role.

Tell me about Quitefine. Is she an amateur?

I haven't the slightest idea. I'm not Quitefine. You need to address
your question to Quitefine.

Why do you talk about that non-entity so much?

She isn't involved in amateur radio...no verifiable amateur license.

One has to be INVOLVED BY LICENSING according to your
magnificent rules.


(Please refer to Jimmy Who's Point Paper that was faxed out late
Sunday)

Len doesn't have a role in amateur radio. Whether Leonard H. Anderson
posts
here or doesn't post here, amateur radio goes on. Morse code goes on.
Chasing DX goes on.

Does it go on with or without Quitefine?

It certainly does.

See? There you are talking about a non-entity NOT INVOLVED.

Tsk.

So what is Quitefine's role? Unless you're just here to give her a
pass.

I'm not Quitefine.

I'm not Quitesure.

Are you Quitesure?

Yes.

You have a bad habit of directing your questions to
the wrong people.

Actually, no.

Actually, yes you do.

You have the bad habit of enabling anonymous people to
behave badly, while crying foul with respect to some people who do
identify themselves.

What are you, Susan Sarandon? Barbra Streisand?
I'm not buying your "enabling" scenario. I'm responsible for my
actions.
You are responsible for your actions.

But everyone in amateur radio MUST BE INVOLVED under your
rules.

You don't run amateur radio.

You are not an authority.

You need to ask Quitefine. You may or may not get an
answer.

I asked you.

That was a poor decision on your part. You keep making the same mistake
of seeking information from the wrong source.

You have RULES and seek to rule over others that you don't like.

That must mean you like this Quitefine. (does your wife know this?)

Prove Quitefine's INVOLVEMENT through licensing in amateur radio.


I won't get an answer because you have a history of
enabling bad behavior. working out of band French ops on 6M.

You won't get an answer because I'm not the person posting as
"Quitefine".

Everyone KNEW that. :-)

Quitefine doesn't have an SS uniform and doesn't imitate Otto
Preminger.

French authorities are responsible for what French radio amateurs do.
That's been pointed out to you any number of times. It doesn't say much
for your intelligence that you've been unable to grasp this basic
concept.

Tsk, tsk.

Heil has NOT been grasping that I'm NOT grasping after any amateur
license. I've had a commercial/professional license for 48 years.

I'm just advocating the elimination of the useless morse code test
for any radio operator licensing.

You can't...or won't...grasp that simple fact.

You blither on in an arrogant, accusatory tone about "not being
involved in radio due to not having an amateur radio license."

That's bull****, Heil, an artificiality you manufactured to try to win
message points in here.

I've enabled my professional career. I just went ahead and did it.
And retired from regular hours.

"No matter what job, educational level, employer, or
government/military service that anyone has, if said anyone
opposes Heil's views, he/she will be the target of Heil's insults,
ridicule, name-calling, factual errors, ethnic slurs, total lack of
emoticons and social-interaction graces, acting in an arrogant,
elitist manner...for years" :-)

These are the number of unexpired FCC ARS
licenses held by individuals on the dates listed:

As of May 14, 2000:

Novice - 49,329
Technician - 205,394
Technician Plus - 128,860
General - 112,677
Advanced - 99,782
Extra - 78,750

Total Tech/TechPlus - 334,254

Total all classes - 674,792

As of September 4, 2004:

Novice - 30,510 (decrease of 18,819)
Technician - 263,752 (increase of 58,358)
Technician Plus - 57,119 (decrease of 71,741)
General - 139,064 (increase of 26,387)
Advanced - 78,968 (decrease of 20,814)
Extra - 105,739 (increase of 26,989)

Total Tech/TechPlus - 320,871 (decrease of 13,383)

Total all classes - 675,152 (increase of 360)

73 de Jim, N2EY

In article ,
(William) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article ,
(William) writes:

Dave Heil wrote in message
...
William wrote:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article ,
(Brian) writes:

Dave Heil wrote in message
...

"Jimmie"?

If you ever have a future in amateur radio, it will be a short
one.
You've talked and talked and talked the talk. You've not yet
begun
to
walk the walk.

Dave K8MN

Hey Dave, what is Quitefine's role in amateur radio?

Robust oberst not know, passes da buck.

No committment in messaging... :-)

Or, he too busy walking and talking, not listening...

Walking and chewing gum at same time without tripping or biting his
tongue.


*****
All kidding aside, "William", it is nearly 41 years that I've been
licensed as a radio amateur. I've made no empty brags about getting an
"Extra right out of the box". I just did it.
*****

Wow!

You got an Extra right out of the box?

That should be easily verifiable. No other intervening licenses?

Wow! That IS impressive! Imagine...a whole 41 years as an
AMATEUR!

Dave "just did it" WRT getting "Extra right out of the box."

Sounds to me like he just said he's been an Extra for almost 41 years,
but then he posts this on the QRZ website:

"First licensed: WN8LET 1963, Oak Hill, WV."

But you won't see Steve in here yelling "Liar, liar pants on fiar!" or
making homosexual and/or pedophile inuendo. Maybe he's already talked
to Dave's wife?

"Quitefine" (J. P. Miccolis) must have lectured everyone on the
subject. As long as all agree that PCTA extras "know what is best
for all," they are happy and content.

Let anyone disagree with PCTA extras, even the slightest, and there
is a cacaphony of phony screen names with unusual spacing. :-)

Dave approves of Steve's behavior. Miccolis approves of Steve's
behavior...despite a once-in-a-while slap on the wrist with a wet
hankie. Steve approves of Steve's behavior...which isn't saying
much because all his personalities live in a different elsewhere
and they are all more-or-less sociopathic. shrug

"Quitefine" (James P. Miccolis) approves of der uber-oberst Heil
because he is another PCTA extra. Snarling is allowed. Nasty-
grams are allowed. All is allowed. As long as they agree that
morse code testing must stay. Forever.

Independent thought is allowed in here, even cherished, as long
as the independency doesn't deviate from established norms of
olde-tyme hamme raddio. Their theme music might just as well
be "We all live in a brown sub-marine..." :-)

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
William wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
William wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Brian wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...

"Jimmie"?

If you ever have a future in amateur radio, it will be a short one.
You've talked and talked and talked the talk. You've not yet begun to
walk the walk.

Dave K8MN

Hey Dave, what is Quitefine's role in amateur radio?

I have no idea. Why not ask him?

But Dave, we've got you running around here commenting on people's
roles in amateur radio. And we've got Quitefine trying so hard to
establish herself as having a role in amateur radio.

You don't have me doing anything.

I may not "have" you doing it, but you're doing it none-the-less.
Feel better?

As long as you realize that your "we have you running around" statement
is in error.

As long as you realize that you're running around commenting on
people's roles in amateur radio.

I'm not running at all. I'm sitting
in a comfy chair. As to commenting on peoples' roles in amateur radio,
they first have to be radio amateurs in order to have a role.

Tell me about Quitefine. Is she an amateur?

I haven't the slightest idea.

No? You appear to have ideas about quite a number of things, yet you
draw a blank on this one. I just don't believe that.

I'm not Quitefine.

Are you Quitesure?

You need to address your question to Quitefine.

Clue: I get to decide what I need to do.

(Please refer to Jimmy Who's Point Paper that was faxed out late
Sunday)

Len doesn't have a role in amateur radio. Whether Leonard H. Anderson posts
here or doesn't post here, amateur radio goes on. Morse code goes on.
Chasing DX goes on.

Does it go on with or without Quitefine?

It certainly does.

Yet you choose to make daily statements to Len that it goes on without
him, but are (almost) silent when it comes to Quitefine. Perhaps
Quitefine has made contributions to Ham Radio magazine. Perhaps you
have, too.

So what is Quitefine's role? Unless you're just here to give her a
pass.

I'm not Quitefine.

I'm not Quitesure.

Are you Quitesure?

Yes.

Great! Another alias. At least you admit to it.

You have a bad habit of directing your questions to
the wrong people.

Actually, no.

Actually, yes you do.

Why are you the wrong person?

You seem to have so many opinions about so many things, but draw a
blank on this one. Hi, hi.

You even hold the opinion, stated above, that amateur radio, morse
code, and chasing dx go on without Quitefine.

Yet you haven't the "slightest idea" whether Quitefine is an amateur
or not.

You have the bad habit of enabling anonymous people to
behave badly, while crying foul with respect to some people who do
identify themselves.

What are you, Susan Sarandon? Barbra Streisand?

No. I am bb.

I'm not buying your "enabling" scenario. I'm responsible for my
actions.

You certainly are. You are responsible for your own "Good Amateur
Practice."

You are responsible for your actions.

I certainly am. I have always been responsible for my actions.

You need to ask Quitefine. You may or may not get an
answer.

I asked you.

That was a poor decision on your part. You keep making the same mistake
of seeking information from the wrong source.

I've made mistakes before, probably will again. How about you?

I won't get an answer because you have a history of
enabling bad behavior. working out of band French ops on 6M.

You won't get an answer because I'm not the person posting as
"Quitefine".

I never thought that you were the person posting as Quitefine.

French authorities are responsible for what French radio amateurs do.

French -radio amateurs- are responsible for what they do, not the
French communications authorities. And you are responsible for what
you do.

You can choose to use "Good Amateur Practice" or not. Although Riley
says that "Good Amateur Practice" is enforceable, you were lucky that
you were operating under a Tanzanian permit and not subject to U.S.
enforcement.

That's been pointed out to you any number of times.

Many things have been pointed out to me any number of times. They are
often wrong.

It doesn't say much
for your intelligence that you've been unable to grasp this basic
concept.

To think that French communication authorities are responsible for out
of band French amateurs and you carrying on on six meters is absurd.

Did they send you a nice QSL card?

"Sorry Hans, Working French Hams Out-Of-Band IS JUST LIKE
Working French Hams In-Band!"

Hans? He isn't involved. He's already advised you that he thinks
you're all wet on this one too, "Bill".

Dave K8MN

Not a problem. As I pointed out above, many things have been pointed
out to me any number of times. They are often wrong.

So, do you also have an opinion of Blackguard Vox Deus?

William wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
William wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
William wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Brian wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...

Hey Dave, what is Quitefine's role in amateur radio?

I have no idea. Why not ask him?

But Dave, we've got you running around here commenting on people's
roles in amateur radio. And we've got Quitefine trying so hard to
establish herself as having a role in amateur radio.

You don't have me doing anything.

I may not "have" you doing it, but you're doing it none-the-less.
Feel better?

As long as you realize that your "we have you running around" statement
is in error.

As long as you realize that you're running around commenting on
people's roles in amateur radio.

That's not correct. As I've already mentioned below, I'm not running
around.

I'm not running at all. I'm sitting
in a comfy chair. As to commenting on peoples' roles in amateur radio,
they first have to be radio amateurs in order to have a role.

Tell me about Quitefine. Is she an amateur?

I haven't the slightest idea.

No? You appear to have ideas about quite a number of things, yet you
draw a blank on this one. I just don't believe that.

You don't believe that I have no idea about the background of someone
who has not been identified? You sound awfully silly, "William".

You need to address your question to Quitefine.

Clue: I get to decide what I need to do.

Okay, decide. If you persist in asking me about "Quitefine", you'll
only look sillier.

Len doesn't have a role in amateur radio. Whether Leonard H. Anderson posts
here or doesn't post here, amateur radio goes on. Morse code goes on.
Chasing DX goes on.

Does it go on with or without Quitefine?

It certainly does.

Yet you choose to make daily statements to Len that it goes on without
him, but are (almost) silent when it comes to Quitefine. Perhaps
Quitefine has made contributions to Ham Radio magazine. Perhaps you
have, too.

Almost silent? I don't ever hear anything when I'm reading posts to
these newsgroups. Do you hear voices?

I don't know anything about "Quitefine". Perhaps he/she has made
contributions to the defunt "Ham Radio" magazine. I've not done so. I
wrote for "Ham Radio Horizons" and "CQ" and did cartoons for
"Radiosporting".

So what is Quitefine's role? Unless you're just here to give her a
pass.

I'm not Quitefine.

You have a bad habit of directing your questions to
the wrong people.

Actually, no.

Actually, yes you do.

Why are you the wrong person?

That would seem evident to all but you. I'm not "Quitefine" and I have
no knowledge of "Quitefine". Why do you find that so difficult to
accept?

You seem to have so many opinions about so many things, but draw a
blank on this one. Hi, hi.

I'm not "Quitefine" and I have no knowledge of "Quitefine". Why do you
find that so difficult to accept?

You even hold the opinion, stated above, that amateur radio, morse
code, and chasing dx go on without Quitefine.

That should be obvious, even to you.

Yet you haven't the "slightest idea" whether Quitefine is an amateur
or not.

What does it matter for the purposes of my statement?

You have the bad habit of enabling anonymous people to
behave badly, while crying foul with respect to some people who do
identify themselves.

What are you, Susan Sarandon? Barbra Streisand?

No. I am bb.

Oh! I apologize "Beebee", I was under the impression that you were
"William".

I'm not buying your "enabling" scenario. I'm responsible for my
actions.

You certainly are. You are responsible for your own "Good Amateur
Practice."

That's correct.

You are responsible for your actions.

I certainly am. I have always been responsible for my actions.

Yes, you have.

You need to ask Quitefine. You may or may not get an
answer.

I asked you.

That was a poor decision on your part. You keep making the same mistake
of seeking information from the wrong source.

I've made mistakes before, probably will again. How about you?

I'm not known for making the same one over and over and over again.

I won't get an answer because you have a history of
enabling bad behavior. working out of band French ops on 6M.

You won't get an answer because I'm not the person posting as
"Quitefine".

I never thought that you were the person posting as Quitefine.

Then why would you continue to ask me for information when I've advised
that I know nothing of the person posting as "Quitefine"?

French authorities are responsible for what French radio amateurs do.

French -radio amateurs- are responsible for what they do, not the
French communications authorities.

Yes, you're right. The French authorities are charged with taking
action against those French ops who violate French regs.

And you are responsible for what
you do.

I've already stated as much. I'm not French and I broke no French,
Tanzanian or American amateur radio regs.

You can choose to use "Good Amateur Practice" or not. Although Riley
says that "Good Amateur Practice" is enforceable, you were lucky that
you were operating under a Tanzanian permit and not subject to U.S.
enforcement.

You're back to being silly again, "T5/William". I broke no Tanzanian
regs and I broke no U.S. regs. Some French ops apparently broke French
amateur radio regulations. Their government is responsible for any
action to be taken against them. Have you contacted the French
authorities yet to protest the outrageous behavior of French scofflaw
hams? Maybe you'd like to initiate an "amateur radio war crimes"
complaint so that a tribunal can be formed.

That's been pointed out to you any number of times.

Many things have been pointed out to me any number of times. They are
often wrong.

Your problems often begin because you fail to see the difference.

It doesn't say much
for your intelligence that you've been unable to grasp this basic
concept.

To think that French communication authorities are responsible for out
of band French amateurs and you carrying on on six meters is absurd.

You got part of it right. The part where you understood that the French
had any sway over my operations from Tanzania is absurd. The part where
French radio amateurs are out of their assigned frequency allocations
and that French communications authorities are responsible for taking
any action against them is not absurd at all.

Did they send you a nice QSL card?

Of whom are you writing?

"Sorry Hans, Working French Hams Out-Of-Band IS JUST LIKE
Working French Hams In-Band!"

Hans? He isn't involved. He's already advised you that he thinks
you're all wet on this one too, "Bill".

Not a problem. As I pointed out above, many things have been pointed
out to me any number of times. They are often wrong.

Let me know how this one turns out, Farnsworth.

So, do you also have an opinion of Blackguard Vox Deus?

An opinion? Earlier you asked me if "Quitefine" is a radio amateur and
about his/her role in amateur radio. As with "Quitefine", I'm not sure
of the gender of "Blackguard Vox Deus" or whether he/she is a radio
amateur.
My *opinion* is that "Blackguard" doesn't care much for Len. I can
understand that.

Feel free to carry on with your James Carville impersonation.

Dave K8MN