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Len Over 21 September 9th 04 06:13 AM

In article ,
(William) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...

Independent thought is allowed in here, even cherished, as long
as the independency doesn't deviate from established norms of
olde-tyme hamme raddio. Their theme music might just as well
be "We all live in a brown sub-marine..." :-)



Maybe we should pull a Cecil, switch horses, and be part of the
in-crowd.


I have more than a hundred horses. All out in the garage. :-)

Cecil is off in other newsgroups. I'm sure he got sick and tired
of the PCTA regulars in here. :-)

I wonder if Steve will still focus on male genitalia, homosexuality,
and pedophilia?


Nursie will use anything he can think of to insult anyone having
opinions opposite to his...or trying to deny he ever said anything
wrong. :-)

I certainly hope that that kind of thinking is his independent
thoughts and not a trait shared by all PCTA.


Not those exact thoughts but, observe in here...a "renowned"
amateur historian took to using a phony screenname and has
"conversations" with another phony screenname, talking of
little but nastygrams of certain others in here.

Der uber-oberst does very little in content in here except to
attempt denigration of you and I. One would think that, after
a whole heaping 41 years as an amateur, he might have
something constructive to offer on amateur radio policy...other
than holding the quo as status as he can.

The Coslonaut is busy working both sides of every aisle, but
not saying very much in any post. Spends time in the penalty
box for trying to stick others.

The newsgroup has all the PCTA in deep ennui, busy trying to
fill dead air with old morsemanship slogans, then realizing those
are so dead that it would be just necro-equine flaggelation.

A few newbie newsgroupies have shown up, see the PCTA
extra regulars frothing worse than a latte machine, and leave for
(hopefully) a better venue. Sigh.

This newsgroup isn't about radio. Or policy.

It's about domination. By the PCTA extras.

shrug



Len Over 21 September 9th 04 10:03 PM

In article ,
(William) writes:

Dave Heil wrote in message
...
William wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message

...
William wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message

...
Brian wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message

...

"Jimmie"?

If you ever have a future in amateur radio, it will be a short

one.
You've talked and talked and talked the talk. You've not yet

begun to
walk the walk.

Dave K8MN

Hey Dave, what is Quitefine's role in amateur radio?

I have no idea. Why not ask him?


But Dave, we've got you running around here commenting on people's
roles in amateur radio. And we've got Quitefine trying so hard to
establish herself as having a role in amateur radio.

You don't have me doing anything.

I may not "have" you doing it, but you're doing it none-the-less.
Feel better?


As long as you realize that your "we have you running around" statement
is in error.


As long as you realize that you're running around commenting on
people's roles in amateur radio.

I'm not running at all. I'm sitting
in a comfy chair. As to commenting on peoples' roles in amateur radio,
they first have to be radio amateurs in order to have a role.

Tell me about Quitefine. Is she an amateur?


I haven't the slightest idea.


No? You appear to have ideas about quite a number of things, yet you
draw a blank on this one. I just don't believe that.


Der uber-oberst fills in blanks with pencil smudges...

I'm not Quitefine.


Are you Quitesure?


Ah, just what everyojne doesn't need, another idiot with a phony
name. :-)

You need to address your question to Quitefine.


Clue: I get to decide what I need to do.


Brian, you do NOT get to decide anything with der uber-oberst's
blessing and authoritative approval.

That factum is at the top of der uber-oberst's Orders of das Day.

(Please refer to Jimmy Who's Point Paper that was faxed out late
Sunday)

Len doesn't have a role in amateur radio. Whether Leonard H. Anderson

posts
here or doesn't post here, amateur radio goes on. Morse code goes on.
Chasing DX goes on.

Does it go on with or without Quitefine?


It certainly does.


Yet you choose to make daily statements to Len that it goes on without
him, but are (almost) silent when it comes to Quitefine. Perhaps
Quitefine has made contributions to Ham Radio magazine. Perhaps you
have, too.


"Quitefine" (James p. Miccolis) didn't praise the "foreign service"
veteran's illustrious service in Guinea-Bisseau...surprising that
der uber-oberst didn't blow the straps of his jack boots at that
slight. :-)

So what is Quitefine's role? Unless you're just here to give her a
pass.

I'm not Quitefine.

I'm not Quitesure.

Are you Quitesure?


Yes.


Great! Another alias. At least you admit to it.


An ILLEGAL alias "who has NOTHING to do with ham radio!" :-)

You have a bad habit of directing your questions to
the wrong people.

Actually, no.


Actually, yes you do.


Why are you the wrong person?


Der uber-oberst IS the "right" person!

Everyone else makes errors. Der uber-oberst never does.

You seem to have so many opinions about so many things, but draw a
blank on this one. Hi, hi.

You even hold the opinion, stated above, that amateur radio, morse
code, and chasing dx go on without Quitefine.

Yet you haven't the "slightest idea" whether Quitefine is an amateur
or not.


Doesn't matter. If der uber-oberst approves, that is that!

You have the bad habit of enabling anonymous people to
behave badly, while crying foul with respect to some people who do
identify themselves.


What are you, Susan Sarandon? Barbra Streisand?


No. I am bb.

I'm not buying your "enabling" scenario. I'm responsible for my
actions.


You certainly are. You are responsible for your own "Good Amateur
Practice."


Der uber-oberst IS amateur good practice!

You are responsible for your actions.


I certainly am. I have always been responsible for my actions.


NOT without der uber-oberst's authoritative approval!

You need to ask Quitefine. You may or may not get an
answer.

I asked you.


That was a poor decision on your part. You keep making the same mistake
of seeking information from the wrong source.


I've made mistakes before, probably will again. How about you?


Der uber-oberst NEVER makes mistakes!

He is a PCTA extra.

That explains it all...

I won't get an answer because you have a history of
enabling bad behavior. working out of band French ops on 6M.


You won't get an answer because I'm not the person posting as
"Quitefine".


I never thought that you were the person posting as Quitefine.


He isn't Quite that Good. :-)

French authorities are responsible for what French radio amateurs do.


French -radio amateurs- are responsible for what they do, not the
French communications authorities. And you are responsible for what
you do.


Der uber-oberst is responsible for ALL U.S. amateur radio!

[he sure acts like it...]

You can choose to use "Good Amateur Practice" or not. Although Riley
says that "Good Amateur Practice" is enforceable, you were lucky that
you were operating under a Tanzanian permit and not subject to U.S.
enforcement.


"Foreign Service" employees are not subject to U.S. enforcement.

They've been diplomatically immunized. :-)


That's been pointed out to you any number of times.


Many things have been pointed out to me any number of times. They are
often wrong.

It doesn't say much
for your intelligence that you've been unable to grasp this basic
concept.


To think that French communication authorities are responsible for out
of band French amateurs and you carrying on on six meters is absurd.

Did they send you a nice QSL card?


Probably did...in a diplomatic pouch. :-)

"Sorry Hans, Working French Hams Out-Of-Band IS JUST LIKE
Working French Hams In-Band!"


Hans? He isn't involved. He's already advised you that he thinks
you're all wet on this one too, "Bill".

Dave K8MN


Not a problem. As I pointed out above, many things have been pointed
out to me any number of times. They are often wrong.

So, do you also have an opinion of Blackguard Vox Deus?


Der uber-oberst will insist that BVD be contacted direct.

Der uber-oberst heartily approves of anyone - even phonies - taking
down "Enemies of the State" (in his perception).

Meanwhile,
www.hamdata.com figures don't agree with "Quitefine"
er, Rev. Jim's postings.

Hamdata numbers LIE. Only PCTA extras always speak truth!

1984 anyone? :-)



William September 10th 04 03:04 AM

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article ,
(William) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...

Independent thought is allowed in here, even cherished, as long
as the independency doesn't deviate from established norms of
olde-tyme hamme raddio. Their theme music might just as well
be "We all live in a brown sub-marine..." :-)



Maybe we should pull a Cecil, switch horses, and be part of the
in-crowd.


I have more than a hundred horses. All out in the garage. :-)


Sounds like a human health hazard. "Dialing...." Hi, hi!

Cecil is off in other newsgroups. I'm sure he got sick and tired
of the PCTA regulars in here. :-)


Welp, he tried to appease them by joining in one of their CW nets, but
they still crapped on him. Then he joined them, but was so distraught
by that action he left the group.

I wonder if Steve will still focus on male genitalia, homosexuality,
and pedophilia?


Nursie will use anything he can think of to insult anyone having
opinions opposite to his...or trying to deny he ever said anything
wrong. :-)


To quote Shorty on Indy Jones II, "He's not nuts, he's cwazy!"

I certainly hope that that kind of thinking is his independent
thoughts and not a trait shared by all PCTA.


Not those exact thoughts but, observe in here...a "renowned"
amateur historian took to using a phony screenname and has
"conversations" with another phony screenname, talking of
little but nastygrams of certain others in here.


I wonder if they rehearse before they get on-line? Hi, hi!

Der uber-oberst does very little in content in here except to
attempt denigration of you and I. One would think that, after
a whole heaping 41 years as an amateur,


He say's he "just did it" with respect to getting "Extra right out of
the box!"

The FCC rewarded him with a "WN" prefix. Hi, hi!

he might have
something constructive to offer on amateur radio policy...other
than holding the quo as status as he can.


Yet he doesn't. So sad.

The Coslonaut is busy working both sides of every aisle, but
not saying very much in any post. Spends time in the penalty
box for trying to stick others.

The newsgroup has all the PCTA in deep ennui, busy trying to
fill dead air with old morsemanship slogans, then realizing those
are so dead that it would be just necro-equine flaggelation.


Welp, if they can't have the Amateur Service that they want, they'd
just as well see it dead.

A few newbie newsgroupies have shown up, see the PCTA
extra regulars frothing worse than a latte machine, and leave for
(hopefully) a better venue. Sigh.


I remember a cordless Tech named Val Germann. Showed up here a newbie
singing the praises of Morse Code; how he was going to learn the Morse
Code and sit to the right of God. Every one of these PCTA sychophants
were fawning and frothing all over Val.

Did Val ever report back that he is now copying 20+ on the low end of
any band?

Nope. He sure suckered them, and they were so willing to be suckered.

This newsgroup isn't about radio. Or policy.

It's about domination. By the PCTA extras.

shrug



World Domination? And I'm called "Minimi!"

I don't mind being compared to a machinegun.

Len Over 21 September 10th 04 04:54 AM

In article ,
(William) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article ,
(William) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...

Independent thought is allowed in here, even cherished, as long
as the independency doesn't deviate from established norms of
olde-tyme hamme raddio. Their theme music might just as well
be "We all live in a brown sub-marine..." :-)



Maybe we should pull a Cecil, switch horses, and be part of the
in-crowd.


I have more than a hundred horses. All out in the garage. :-)


Sounds like a human health hazard. "Dialing...." Hi, hi!

Cecil is off in other newsgroups. I'm sure he got sick and tired
of the PCTA regulars in here. :-)


Welp, he tried to appease them by joining in one of their CW nets, but
they still crapped on him. Then he joined them, but was so distraught
by that action he left the group.


Cecil moved some time after the "rrapnet."

He also moved physically...to take care of his elderly parents.

In the light of reality, the foolishness of a few morsemen fantasizers
in here looks silly. Can't blame Cecil for exiting.

I wonder if Steve will still focus on male genitalia, homosexuality,
and pedophilia?


Nursie will use anything he can think of to insult anyone having
opinions opposite to his...or trying to deny he ever said anything
wrong. :-)


To quote Shorty on Indy Jones II, "He's not nuts, he's cwazy!"


The Indy pictures were escapist entertainment.

Nursie is just escapist.

I certainly hope that that kind of thinking is his independent
thoughts and not a trait shared by all PCTA.


Not those exact thoughts but, observe in here...a "renowned"
amateur historian took to using a phony screenname and has
"conversations" with another phony screenname, talking of
little but nastygrams of certain others in here.


I wonder if they rehearse before they get on-line? Hi, hi!


Don't laugh too much. I observed one individual on the former
Talk Channel BBS who had a "girlfriend" personna. So much so
that he even paid for her subscription! Sysop Gary made him
leave once that was discovered, refunded his remaining
subscription money.

Local BBS sysops were warned of several such nutsos in a
self-regulating system. Not a great percentage, less than 1%.

Der uber-oberst does very little in content in here except to
attempt denigration of you and I. One would think that, after
a whole heaping 41 years as an amateur,


He say's he "just did it" with respect to getting "Extra right out of
the box!"

The FCC rewarded him with a "WN" prefix. Hi, hi!


Der uber-oberst says a lot of things. He commands. Few bother
obeying. :-)

he might have
something constructive to offer on amateur radio policy...other
than holding the quo as status as he can.


Yet he doesn't. So sad.


Tsk.

The Coslonaut is busy working both sides of every aisle, but
not saying very much in any post. Spends time in the penalty
box for trying to stick others.

The newsgroup has all the PCTA in deep ennui, busy trying to
fill dead air with old morsemanship slogans, then realizing those
are so dead that it would be just necro-equine flaggelation.


Welp, if they can't have the Amateur Service that they want, they'd
just as well see it dead.


They seem to want only the Archaic Radiotelegraphy Service as it
exists in their individual imaginations.

A few newbie newsgroupies have shown up, see the PCTA
extra regulars frothing worse than a latte machine, and leave for
(hopefully) a better venue. Sigh.


I remember a cordless Tech named Val Germann. Showed up here a newbie
singing the praises of Morse Code; how he was going to learn the Morse
Code and sit to the right of God. Every one of these PCTA sychophants
were fawning and frothing all over Val.

Did Val ever report back that he is now copying 20+ on the low end of
any band?

Nope. He sure suckered them, and they were so willing to be suckered.


I got the impression this "Val" was just another phony. shrug

This newsgroup isn't about radio. Or policy.

It's about domination. By the PCTA extras.

shrug



World Domination? And I'm called "Minimi!"

I don't mind being compared to a machinegun.


None of the PCTA extras are as high as your caliber, Brian. :-)

LHA / WMD

Gareeb September 10th 04 05:01 AM

On 9 Sep 2004 19:04:03 -0700, (William) wrote:

Cecil is off in other newsgroups. I'm sure he got sick and tired
of the PCTA regulars in here. :-)


Welp, he tried to appease them by joining in one of their CW nets, but
they still crapped on him. Then he joined them, but was so distraught
by that action he left the group.


A fitting closure for this egocentric, confused, whining, alleged
(self-proclaimed) "genius" who was, by and large, the hemmeroid of
rrap, that is to say, a major pain in the ass sponsored by Intel corp.

Dave Heil September 10th 04 05:21 AM

Len Over 21 wrote:

Der uber-oberst fills in blanks with pencil smudges...


Brian, you do NOT get to decide anything with der uber-oberst's
blessing and authoritative approval.


That factum is at the top of der uber-oberst's Orders of das Day.


"Quitefine" (James p. Miccolis) didn't praise the "foreign service"
veteran's illustrious service in Guinea-Bisseau...surprising that
der uber-oberst didn't blow the straps of his jack boots at that
slight. :-)


Der uber-oberst IS the "right" person!


Everyone else makes errors. Der uber-oberst never does.


Doesn't matter. If der uber-oberst approves, that is that!


Der uber-oberst IS amateur good practice!


NOT without der uber-oberst's authoritative approval!


Der uber-oberst NEVER makes mistakes!


He is a PCTA extra.
That explains it all...


Der uber-oberst is responsible for ALL U.S. amateur radio!
[he sure acts like it...]


"Foreign Service" employees are not subject to U.S. enforcement.
They've been diplomatically immunized. :-)


Probably did...in a diplomatic pouch. :-)


Der uber-oberst will insist that BVD be contacted direct.

Der uber-oberst heartily approves of anyone - even phonies - taking
down "Enemies of the State" (in his perception).



"Ergo, all you can play is the hand with the personal denigrations
cards. You keep losing."

--Leonard H. Anderson

What can I say about your typical behavior here except to ask:
"are you having too much fun peeing in the pool?"
--Leonard H. Anderson

Dave K8MN

Steve Robeson K4CAP September 10th 04 09:33 AM

Subject: Pull a "Cecil?"
From: (William)
Date: 9/8/2004 6:27 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...

Independent thought is allowed in here, even cherished, as long
as the independency doesn't deviate from established norms of
olde-tyme hamme raddio. Their theme music might just as well
be "We all live in a brown sub-marine..." :-)



Maybe we should pull a Cecil, switch horses, and be part of the
in-crowd.

I wonder if Steve will still focus on male genitalia, homosexuality,
and pedophilia?

I certainly hope that that kind of thinking is his independent
thoughts and not a trait shared by all PCTA.


I guess your condoning of Lennie's "olde-tyme hamme" and "brown sub-marine"
comments are part of YOUR "civil discourse", Brain?

And we've already proven who the gentalia focused pedophile-prone one is
here, Brain...

And it's NOT me...

Steve. K4YZ






Brian Kelly September 10th 04 02:23 PM

(William) wrote in message . com...
(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article ,
(William) writes:


Cecil is off in other newsgroups. I'm sure he got sick and tired
of the PCTA regulars in here. :-)


Welp, he tried to appease them by joining in one of their CW nets, but
they still crapped on him. Then he joined them, but was so distraught
by that action he left the group.



********
BULL**** you lying and utterly inconseqential Putzlet!!!
********

You really do need to pop for that tome on "recovering from assholism"
and read it as many times as it takes to get it's message.

As if . . !

It was Cecil himself who triggered the one-shot RRAP CW net in the
winter of 2001. Cecil posted that Larry Roll failed to show up for a
couple CW skeds they'd arranged since Larry had challenged Cecil's
claim to being CW conversant. I jumped in at that point and tossed out
a proposal for any and all RRAP lurkers able to do so to gather around
7.037 Mhz some night or another so that Cecil could firmy establish
the fact that he's CW-capable. Which he did and we did. In spades.
Cecil suffers a sort of palsy which makes using any sort of keying
widget difficult to operate so he uses a straight key. He showed up on
the freq during a nasty T-storm that nite but never missed a lick.

Net result has been a helluva lot of ongoing respect for Cecil's CW
and technical skills and doggedness amongst us PCTAs.

In refutation of your bull**** the following were posts tossed out by
some well-known hardcore RRAP PCTAs after that net happened.

- - - - -

At 1010PM EST Feb 27 W3RV called the first session of the RRAP CW
Net.

Checking in were;
W3RV Brian- NCS
W0EX Dick
AC6XG Jim
K0HB Hans
N2EY Jim
W6RCA Cecil

All signals were good in spite of considerable QRM and some QRN from
early spring thunderstorms in the South. Cecil W6RCA reported
thunderstorms in his area (southeast Texas), with sparks in the
hamshack! That had to be noisy, and risky too. Gutsy guy, our Cecil.
None of that for me!

Jim AC6XG initially was weak (549 here) and W6RCA wasn't able to copy
through the storm static, but the skip distance on 40 meters changed
and
his signals improved (to 569 here) and all stations made direct
contact
with each other.

The same band change caused N2EY and W3RV (both in E.Pa.) to shift
signal levels. Initially W3RV had been considerably stronger than N2EY
but changing band conditions nearly reversed their signal levels as
received in Missouri. That's a phenomena that occurrs on 40 meters
when
two close stations work a distant station and propagation shifts
occur.

Anyone who thinks that "CW is dead" should have heard the clamor
between 7035 and 7040, with a PACTOR signal occupying 7038-7040 for a
time. I wondered for awhile, before the announced time, whether or not
we would be able to find a free slot in the activity. Fortunately the
PACTOR station left the air and we took that frequency.

Hey Jones, why didn't you check in??? g

(Dick WØEX)
- - - - -

Nope, wasn't me tuning up on frequency.

I think we ought to make the net a regular event, 03:00 UTC WED (TUE
local) 7.038MHz (=/- QRM).

Best signal: W0EX

Best bug: N2EY

Best straight key: W6RCA

Cecil -- if your feedlines are sparking from an electrical storm, it's
time to evacuate the radio room! dit dit 73, de Hans,

K0HB

- - - -

"Brakob, Hans" wrote:

Nope, wasn't me tuning up on frequency.

I think we ought to make the net a regular event,
03:00 UTC WED (TUE local) 7.038MHz (=/- QRM).


The local ham group here meets one Tues night a month, otherwise I'm
in.

Best signal: W0EX


Tnx! I gess we had a pipeline, you were stoutest here as well. You win
the power prize, though. My Icom was barefoot.

Best bug: N2EY


Yes...

Best straight key: W6RCA

ditto

Cecil -- if your feedlines are sparking from an electrical storm,
it's time to evacuate the radio room!


Yep...I'm afraid I would have been AWOL and hust put up with the
flak...But it was good to work you, Cecil. Nice signal, too.

Dick

- - -

w3rv

Len Over 21 September 10th 04 06:35 PM

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

What can I say about your typical behavior here except to ask:
"are you having too much fun peeing in the pool?"
--Leonard H. Anderson


Tsk. You still haven't answered any questions.

Too hard for you? :-)

How come there's a disagreement between Quitefine's numbers and
those on the www.hamdata.com site?

[the thread subject is "ARS License Numbers"]

No doubt Quitefine MUST jump in here to "defend his honor" or
whatever he thinks makes him always right... :-)



Len Over 21 September 10th 04 06:35 PM

In article ,
(Brian Kelly) writes:

(William) wrote in message
.com...
(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article ,
(William) writes:

Cecil is off in other newsgroups. I'm sure he got sick and tired
of the PCTA regulars in here. :-)


Welp, he tried to appease them by joining in one of their CW nets, but
they still crapped on him. Then he joined them, but was so distraught
by that action he left the group.



********
BULL**** you lying and utterly inconseqential Putzlet!!!
********

You really do need to pop for that tome on "recovering from assholism"
and read it as many times as it takes to get it's message.


Ah...another "civil discourse" PCTA extra heard from. :-)

Kellie seems to have roared after building up more steam in his
mighty catapult!

Tsk.

So, three years ago all of four CW-using-fans made a "net" after
arranging the contact time and frequency through the newsgroup?

Wow. Great "pioneering" of the airwaves...plus awarding "best of"
ratings for the four (or was it five?).

Did the "net" all with CW to show "CW isn't dead!" :-)

Well, that just goes to show everyone that ALL newbies on HF
MUST learn CW in order to be in company with Giants of the Air!

Marvelous "reasoning." Too much seasoning. A broth of frosh oar.

:-)




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