"Phil Kane" wrote in
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On 15 Feb 2004 23:47:21 GMT, Alun wrote:

Th4 U S cannot enter into a treaty that gives citizens of a third
country privileges irregardless of whether they are permanent US
residents or not. The treaty affects citizens of the two countries
alone, CEPT notwithstanding.

Become a US citizen and the problem goes away.

That's odd, Phil, because a licence issued in another CEPT country will
be valid anywhere but the US, conditional only not being a resident of
the country you are in, and on it being in the CEPT agreement,
regardless of what your citizenship is.

The US is not a CEPT country - it recognizes the ham licenses issued
by CEPT countries the same way that it recognizes any other ham
license offered for reciprocal operation - the license has to be
from the country of citizenship.

Correct. However, the question is why they require US citizenship in the
other direction? The CEPT doesn't make them do this. I can get around it. I
just find it odd.

This is to avoid the "flag of
convenience" problem. We had a guy living in California who had a
Hong Kong license (isn't it nice to know the right people) who
operated in the US on a reciprocal basis with the exotic call sign
until the FCC ruled that one must be a citizen of the licensing
country or get a U S license - turned out that he was not a Hong
Kong citizen. He eventually got a US license.


Yes. CEPT has a different solution to this problem, though. The agreement
only permits you to operate in a given country under CEPT if you are _not_
a resident. This would have prevented the particular example you mentioned,
as the guy was a US resident, and thus could never operate in the US under
CEPT, irregardless of citizenship. Of course, Hong Kong is not a CEPT
country, so you would have to substitute one that was to make this example
work.

As in many things, the US viewpoint is in a minority of one. Strange
that.

It's no problem, though. All I have to do is get my G licence
re-issued, and unlike the US there is no 2-year time limit to worry
about.

I can't get my Israeli license reinstated unless I immigrate either
as an extended temporary or permanent resident or apply for
citizenship, even though I have a valid Israeli address that is my
family's home. At least I know that I can get my old call sign back
if I do. If I go there as a tourist or on a temporary visa
(business or short-term resident) I have to use the my US call on a
reciprocal basis (K2ASP/4X) even though I have a can-be-reactivated
Israeli call sign.

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73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane




That's a pity. In the UK it hinges only on having a UK address. If you
can't get someone to act as a mailing address, then you can only get a 6
month temporary licence without a UK call, e.g. you have to operate as
M0/foreign call, but if you can, then you can get a normal licence with a
standard call.

Either way, a US General or above gets you the highest grade of licence,
recently re-named Advanced. Unfortunately, anything less than a General
gets you nothing, but a US citizen with a Tech licence or above should also
be able to operate under CEPT with Advanced privileges, that citizenship
limitation being imposed at the US end. My XYL is British and has a Tech
licence, so right now she can't get a licence to operate in the UK atall.

In my case I should definitely be able to get one of my old G calls re-
issued. Either one would now be an Advanced licence, although they were
originally different classes. They are never re-issued to someone else,
except with the licencee's permission or after their death, and even then
only to an immediate family member or to a club. I held two UK calls at one
time, and I could allow the 'spare' one to be issued to a family member if
they qualified for a UK licence, i.e. for example if my XYL got her
General.

73 de Alun, N3KIP (Ex-G8VUK, G0VUK)