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#182
June 21st 04, 04:31 AM
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PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in message ...
In article , Alun writes: (N2EY) wrote in : In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: Temper Fry, Was Able Baker Charlie From: (Steve Robeson K4CAP) Date: 15 Jun 2004 07:58:59 GMT Subject: Temper Fry, Was Able Baker Charlie From: (Len Over 21) Date: 6/14/2004 11:17 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: You are still going to claim that Brian "lost" his logs, aren't you? As long as he keeps refusing to post some sort of "evidence" for the claims he made, yes. Why? He may know just where they are. They may have been in a garage at one time and in a storage unit another. You don't really know either way, do you? Tsk, tsk. It's not what I know or don't know, Your Putziness....It's what PuppetBoy can produce to substantiate his claims. Can produce or will produce? Regardless of wether they are in his garage, a rental storage unit, his bathroom reading rack, or his imagination, they are NOT "here"...THAT is fact. So what's the problem? Anyone who reads these exchanges knows that Mr. Burke will simply avoid/refuse any sort of substantive answer on the subject. That's pretty much a given. So why bother about it? Brain knows that even if he produces some log with callsigns in it, it becomes a simple matter to contact the various persons to ascertain if they really DID work T5/N0IMD. Maybe. Or maybe those people will have moved, changed callsigns, passed away, etc. I am now sure that Jim was right. I am sure that Brain HAS a T5/N0IMD "logbook" somewhere. IIRC, the exact calim was "logs", not "logbooks". Could be some pieces of wood. It's just that it's empty. Or maybe there's one entry. Or two. Or three. Remember there were no claims as to number of QSOs, band, mode, rig, etc. One local VHF/UHF QSO would count as "operation" wouldn't it? Exactly. For example, I have operated from St Martin (FS) - one QSO on 2m FM. I probably have a log of it somewhere. Ironically, that QSO was with another country, St Martin (PJ7), but it doesn't count because it was via the local repeater in PJ7. Perfect example! Thanks, Alun! In point of fact, the alleged /T5 operation was allegedly on 10 meters, and at least two QSOs (OD5 and somewhere in Eastern Europe) were reportedly made. Given the state of 10 meters in 1993, such contact reports are quite credible, even with a very makeshift station. Good grief . . lotta burdensome worn out nonsense here. Ham radio is a licensed service everywhere on this particular planet except in the cases of some very rare spits of dry land over which no nation claims as it's soverign territory and/or, given the lack of civilian licensing authority, then it gets down to whatever military force happens to hold sway in the neighborhood, etc., etc., the Spratleys being a particulary oddball example. Which is basically irrelevant in this thread, we all know this. Apologies. In Alun's case he tripped to the isle of Saint Martin and worked into PJ7 as a G/FS or as a W/FS as a properly licsened alien. Alun being big on his alienism and all that. I'm assuming Alun had his paperwork right if any was required. The goverment of FS was/is the licensing authority when Alun operated there. Therefore his FS to PJ7 QSO was a legitimate amateur radio contact even if was a DXCC no-counter. Brainiac's alleged T5 operation is a whole different ballgame altogether. Giving him the benefit of the doubt and accepting his tales about having "worked" a couple "dx countries" from Somalia on ten meters while he was there was not an amateur radio operation. The ham radio licensing authority for members of the U.S. military of which he was a member was vested in the command structure of that expeditionary force. He did not have their explicit permission to operate an amateur radio station in T5. Therefore it's patently obvious that his "operation" was another simple case of freebanding, pirate radio, "extended CB" whatever ya wanna call it. For absolute certain he did not conduct a legitimate ham radio operation. It wasn't a T5 amateur radio station, Brainiac was just another unlicensed glom using some xcvr or another on 10M and did what they usually do. T5/NØmind's freebander logs and cards = ZIP everywhere. The real reality of this ongoing twisted bafflegab about Brainiac's "T5 ops" BS has nothing at all to do with ham radio except for the freqs on which he done it (maybe, but we'll never know) let alone ham radio policy. So take it to alt.dot.radio. freebanding or wherever his kind lurk and quit wasting the bandwidth here folks. *if* that were the case - wouldn't it make all of the claims true? And why get all upset about it? Nobody is claiming they worked T5/N0IMD. Nobody is complaining they didn't get a QSL card from the alleged operation. 73 de Jim, N2EY w3rv |
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#183
June 21st 04, 05:14 AM
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(William) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: Temper Fry, Was Able Baker Charlie From: (Len Over 21) Date: 6/14/2004 11:31 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: This isn't Burger King and you cannot have it your way. As I am sure you have suffered many a sleepless night trying to draft some witty "comeback" for yet another bloodletting of one of YOUR posts, Lennie! "Bloodletting?" :-) Poor baby, so easily injured are you? Bon apetit and temper fry... Seems I am not the one with an appetite problem, Lennie. Have you seen a doctor about your problem, puppetnursie? He did appear a little "puffy" in his CAP flight suit. I wonder if the CAP has a "weight management" program for those that like to pretend they're thin when they're not. Not to worry. CAP pays for all that avgas. They just load an extra hundred pounds of avgas for the heavier payload. Or do you do your own diagnoses, like practicing medicine without the legal license? [a big no-no in most states] He no do nuttin illegal. He one squared away marine. All his stuff in one sock. Get some mental therapy, puppetnursie. That would help all those around you...if not yourself... He no care 'bout others. I disagree. He has to keep all those personalities in order. Must be quite a coordination session every day in there... Sociopathy CAN be cured. I'll bet this case cannot. I'm optimistic normally, but you may be right... LHA / WMD |
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#184
June 21st 04, 05:19 AM
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#186
June 21st 04, 11:57 AM
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#187
June 21st 04, 11:57 AM
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In article ,
(Brian Kelly) writes: (N2EY) wrote in message ... In article , Alun writes: (N2EY) wrote in : In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: Temper Fry, Was Able Baker Charlie From: (Steve Robeson K4CAP) Date: 15 Jun 2004 07:58:59 GMT Subject: Temper Fry, Was Able Baker Charlie From: (Len Over 21) Date: 6/14/2004 11:17 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: You are still going to claim that Brian "lost" his logs, aren't you? As long as he keeps refusing to post some sort of "evidence" for the claims he made, yes. Why? He may know just where they are. They may have been in a garage at one time and in a storage unit another. You don't really know either way, do you? Tsk, tsk. It's not what I know or don't know, Your Putziness....It's what PuppetBoy can produce to substantiate his claims. Can produce or will produce? Regardless of wether they are in his garage, a rental storage unit, his bathroom reading rack, or his imagination, they are NOT "here"...THAT is fact. So what's the problem? Anyone who reads these exchanges knows that Mr. Burke will simply avoid/refuse any sort of substantive answer on the subject. That's pretty much a given. So why bother about it? Brain knows that even if he produces some log with callsigns in it, it becomes a simple matter to contact the various persons to ascertain if they really DID work T5/N0IMD. Maybe. Or maybe those people will have moved, changed callsigns, passed away, etc. I am now sure that Jim was right. I am sure that Brain HAS a T5/N0IMD "logbook" somewhere. IIRC, the exact calim was "logs", not "logbooks". Could be some pieces of wood. It's just that it's empty. Or maybe there's one entry. Or two. Or three. Remember there were no claims as to number of QSOs, band, mode, rig, etc. One local VHF/UHF QSO would count as "operation" wouldn't it? Exactly. For example, I have operated from St Martin (FS) - one QSO on 2m FM. I probably have a log of it somewhere. Ironically, that QSO was with another country, St Martin (PJ7), but it doesn't count because it was via the local repeater in PJ7. Perfect example! Thanks, Alun! In point of fact, the alleged /T5 operation was allegedly on 10 meters, and at least two QSOs (OD5 and somewhere in Eastern Europe) were reportedly made. Given the state of 10 meters in 1993, such contact reports are quite credible, even with a very makeshift station. Good grief . . lotta burdensome worn out nonsense here. Absolutely. Ham radio is a licensed service everywhere on this particular planet except in the cases of some very rare spits of dry land over which no nation claims as it's soverign territory and/or, given the lack of civilian licensing authority, then it gets down to whatever military force happens to hold sway in the neighborhood, etc., etc., the Spratleys being a particulary oddball example. Which is basically irrelevant in this thread, we all know this. Apologies. There seems to be some dispute as to what level in the military command structure can authorize amateur operation, and what level of paperwork is necessary. In Alun's case he tripped to the isle of Saint Martin and worked into PJ7 as a G/FS or as a W/FS as a properly licsened alien. Alun being big on his alienism and all that. I'm assuming Alun had his paperwork right if any was required. The goverment of FS was/is the licensing authority when Alun operated there. Therefore his FS to PJ7 QSO was a legitimate amateur radio contact even if was a DXCC no-counter. Absolutely agree. Brainiac's alleged T5 operation is a whole different ballgame altogether. Giving him the benefit of the doubt and accepting his tales about having "worked" a couple "dx countries" from Somalia on ten meters while he was there was not an amateur radio operation. The ham radio licensing authority for members of the U.S. military of which he was a member was vested in the command structure of that expeditionary force. He did not have their explicit permission to operate an amateur radio station in T5. How do we know this for sure? Therefore it's patently obvious that his "operation" was another simple case of freebanding, pirate radio, "extended CB" whatever ya wanna call it. For absolute certain he did not conduct a legitimate ham radio operation. Again - how do we *know* that the required authorization wasn't obtained? I agree 100% that if such authority wasn't obtained, it wasn't an amateur operation at all. In any event, the claimed operation allegedly took place on 10 meters and allegedly involved at least two QSOs. It wasn't a T5 amateur radio station, Brainiac was just another unlicensed glom using some xcvr or another on 10M and did what they usually do. T5/NØmind's freebander logs and cards = ZIP everywhere. The real reality of this ongoing twisted bafflegab about Brainiac's "T5 ops" BS has nothing at all to do with ham radio except for the freqs on which he done it (maybe, but we'll never know) let alone ham radio policy. So take it to alt.dot.radio. freebanding or wherever his kind lurk and quit wasting the bandwidth here folks. The thing I find interesting is the last paragraph of my post, below. *Nobody* is claiming to have worked T5/N0IMD, nor complaining about not getting a QSL card. In DX circles, that kinda says it all. *if* that were the case - wouldn't it make all of the claims true? And why get all upset about it? Nobody is claiming they worked T5/N0IMD. Nobody is complaining they didn't get a QSL card from the alleged operation. 73 de Jim, N2EY I want to be slim, but I don't want to be a slim. |
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#188
June 21st 04, 02:22 PM
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PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in message ...
In article , (Brian Kelly) writes: (N2EY) wrote in message ... and I mention that the U.S. military quit using manual telegraphy for fixed-point communications in 1948. They did? Everywhere? Or did they simply start phasing it out in 1948? And what about non-fixed-point communications, such as between ships? And what about the CW courses still being taught at Fort Huncha-something somewhere in the southwest? Ohyez, the feds still have an abiding and ongoing interest in the use of CW. That's for intel intercept. Listening to others use it, and maybe some spoofing and such. Sure, they'd be grossly negligent if they didn't. I'll just bet that Osama Baby has at least looked at CW for his purposes and that since 9/11 our guys have ramped up their volume of poking around for it. So yes, the feds certainly do have an ongoing and abiding interest in the use of CW, one-way for their purposes and/or otherwise. However, amateur radio isn't the military. We don't have the same mission - or the same resources. Even if we did I wouldn't go anywhere near it. So, some olde-tyme hamme can say he "shot bears for navel intelligence" and that be okay. Navel intel is fine as long as person is for morse code. Do you mean the pictures taken by W3RV? Guess what - they're real. Like it or not, civilian contractors do go out on US Navy ships. And they do see - and photograph - some pretty unusual stuff. Har, I forgot about that, you did see some of those shots I took didn't ya? Yep. Some of them. Quite impressive, actually, both the photography and the subject. Geez that pile of old photos was a real trip back huh? Oyez. Gotta love the way the Putz has twisted 'em into "Naval intel" BS. Bad pun of "navel" noted. Another example of the Putz in his seven-yer-old mode. Which he consistently drops into when he can't find an adult comment to post. No such thing, they were typical on-the-road personal unclassified snapshots and I never claimed otherwise. That's true! Every time the Soviets buzzed a carrier it became a tourist event, bloomin' hoot. Kodak could have made money with a flight deck photo processing kiosk after those flybys. I wasn't a contractor, I was a direct employee of the U.S. Department of Defense and an offical civilian guest of the skipper while I was aboard. Always nice to be friends with the guy in charge. Nah, it was just another bit of Naval tradition, DoD civilian professionals were treated as officers and were expected to reciprocate the courtesies received. I had to introduce myself to both the skipper and the air boss and join them for dinner in officer's mess on Friday evenings, etc. I knew nothing about any of it when I logged aboard the first time. A crusty Chief Yeoman sat me down in his office and went thru the list of what I had to do and not do. The Putz never managed to be either, his types did my drudge work for me for cheap. Steerage dwellers. Of course such activities are also irrelevant to amateur radio policy. End of. roger that! 73 de Jim, N2EY w3rv |
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#189
June 21st 04, 02:34 PM
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Subject: Able Baker Charlie
From: (Avery Fineman) Date: 6/20/2004 11:19 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: The U.S. military does NOT use manual telegraphy for radio communications. Yes, they do. Steve, K4YZ |
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#190
June 21st 04, 03:42 PM
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Subject: Temper Fry, Was Able Baker Charlie
From: PAMNO (N2EY) Date: 6/21/2004 5:57 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , (Steve Robeson, K4CAP) writes: Three mile run? Five? If you ever get up to these parts, Steve, we can do that. You're on! =) 73 Steve, K4YZ |
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