Subject: FCC Morse testing at 16 and 20 WPM
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 7/15/2004 8:41 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article ,
(Stevie
Stalker, Hamme Raddio Ethnic Cleanser with his Fleet Kit) writes:

Subject: FCC Morse testing at 16 and 20 WPM
From: (Geoffrey S. Mendelson)
Date: 7/15/2004 10:16 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article , Len Over 21
wrote:

AMATEUR radio long ago CEASED to be a "pool of experienced morse
operators" for any national need. The nation does NOT need morse
operators, haven't for a long time.

That's an intresting point. 9/11 showed the need still exists for
experienced radio operators who can communicate under pressure.
Morde code is no longer necessary, but a clear voice, understanding
a phonetic alphabet, etc is.

Geoffrey, you'll notice Lennie interjected "morse" operators, although
he
does take great liberties with trying to discredit Amatueur Radio at any
opportunity.

Poor Stalker, still deep in delusional psychosis thinking that all who
disagree with Him are "discrediting amateur radio"

You did take editorial liberty with the post to add your anti-Amateur
spin, Lennie.

No other radio service in the USA uses morse code for ANY
emergency communications, nor do they do that for primary
radio communications purposes. No Public Safety Radio group
needs any morse qualifications to do their work.

This is NOT any other radio group, Lennie.

It's not the Armed Forces.

It's not PLMRS.

It is not SINCGARS or 1950's Army message centers.

Additionally he was in error that stating that "Amateur radio long ago
ceased to be a "pool of experienced morse operators" for any national need."

No "error." REALITY.

Stevie Stalker LIES again, but doesn't understand he does. Tsk.

He confuses his fantasy with reality. Bad scene. He need mental
help.

And conce again we have a non-licensed...in this case mental healtcare
provider...rendering yet another unqualified opinion.

No fantasy.

Amateur Radio remains the most significant "pool" of "trained operators" in
the United States, save for the Armed Forces. That includes Morse Code trained
persons.

Indeed Amateur Radio is the ONLY pool of Morse capable radio operators
remaining, the very small contingent of military and SIGINT operators not
withstanding.

VERY small. The Military Intelligence Center at Fort Huachuca
trains signal intercept operators. A few of the MOSs in that school
learn International Morse Code from computer programs. Those same
trainees also learn to operate a variety of recorders to record those
intercepts for later analysis. Just one small facet of MI training.

Morse Code will continue for some time to be a necessary skill.

Thankfully some in the Armed Forces have been able to recognize that while
we've buried ourselves under burdonsome technology, some of our adversaries
have quietly gone about keeping things in the KISS mode...And THEY have done
thier best to make sure we can have at least some reserve pool of AD personnel
who can be called upon to intercept it.

On-off keying morse code is falling in the rest of the world. Eventually
even they (the U.S. military) will drop that training. They have the
recorders and the recorded intercepts if some idiot foreign force wants
to use morse...and thus be open to signals attack by just about
anyone.

Open to attack by just about anyone?

It's not the manual OOK that is important, Lennie...It's the message being
sent. The Germans used OOK from thier subs, and until we came into possession
of an Enigma machine and the requisite code books, their transmissions were
just as "secret" as they woul;d have been using any other mode today.

AJKKL CDPMQ GCMMN ADAZP DDSZX WTUPA ZPZQY

Now...if I transmit those code groups via manual Morse, PSK, encrypted
vocie satellite, etc, of what use are they without the code book?

And if I can send those code groups to my "agents" with a transmitter
hacked together with $50 worth of parts rather than a $3000 manpack that
requires an orbiting asset to realy it,

And as much as being able to pull "the weak ones" out is a plus,
ACCURACY
is more important...That's why contests ding you if you miscopy an exchange.

Those skills are collateral benefits to emergency communications...Lennie's
uninformed opinion and ranting to the contrary.

Poor delusional Stalker, still mixing up his hate-filled dystemper of a
fantasyland continuum with reality. Tsk. He needs mental help.

No, I don't.

What I need is to get YOU some help, Lennie.

If what Lennie is is being "pro", then I dare say we should take some
EXTRA pride in NOT being "pro" ! ! ! !

More delusional Stalker fantasyland hate.

Not hate, Lennie.

Pity.

There are NO Public Safety Radio Services now using morse code
in any form for public safety communications. None.

And this is NOT a Public Safety Radio Service, now is it?

THIS is YOUR "fantasyland", Lennie. You keep trying to make Amateur Radio
your puching bag for your own inadequacies and we won't go with the program.

So sorry for you.

Len Anderson has absolutely ZERO experience in emergency
communications,
save for what he cuts-and-pastes about CA's ACS system and MARS.

Untrue, but trying to convince a delusional psychotic with a gigantic
hate complex living in his fantasyland is a non-starter.

Poor Stalker needs mental therapy.

Not untrue.

By your own admission (unless you were lying about that too) you are not
involved in any emergency communications program except as an observer.

From your posts here it is pretty clear you that you are indeed NOT
involved in any program at any level.

No experience
as an Amateur operator, none in any capacity with any civil or federal
program.

Untrue. But Stalker will insist that I have none until the last psychotic
delusion is ripped from his hate-filled little mind...

Oh?

WHAT Amateur license HAVE you held, Lennie...?!?!

He is not a licensed Amateur, nor is he in any other program affilitated
with
emergency communications, MARS included.

"Sorry, Hans, MARS IS amateur radio!" Hi hi ho ho.

Department of Defense Directive 4650.2, effective November 2003
says otherwise.

Amateur licensee Stalker says MARS is amateur radio.

Just who is the LIE spreader there?

You, Leonard...You are.

Hint. It isn't DoD. :-)

I never thought I'd say that about myself, but unfortuntely it is true.
I've tried to get my speed back up to something reasonable and expect
that it would take an hour a day for at least a month.

In regards to emergency uses, Geoffrey, it's irrelevent. It's nice to
have, especially for health and welfare trafficing, but otherwise not
necessary.

RED ALERT! ALL HANDS TO BATTLE STATIONS!

REALITY BROKE OUT!

It's been here all along, Lennie.

But while you've been so anxious to take each and every opportunity to
naysay anything anyone has said that even remotely favors Amateur Radio, you
haven't been paying attention to what's being said.

There's a psychotic in this forum, Lennie...But it's not me.

People who work 9-5 5 days a week may actually be able to do it. I don't
(more like noon (or eariler) to 3am).

Sure you can! Just one or two QSO's a day will get your speed up in no
time, regadless of when you work! I work 7P to 7A three to five days a
week,
and I am able to KEEP my speed above 20WPM with little effort.

There ya go, Stalker. You just keep on beepin...and imagining
yourself a big fat Hero of the Homeland for beeping fast.

So long, Reality again. Hello fantasy!

If what you are is "reality", Lennie, then I would do well to stay in what
YOU call "fantasy"

Sucks to be you, Putz.

Steve, K4YZ

In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: FCC Morse testing at 16 and 20 WPM
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 7/15/2004 8:41 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article ,
(Stevie
Stalker, Hamme Raddio Ethnic Cleanser with his Fleet Kit) writes:

Subject: FCC Morse testing at 16 and 20 WPM
From: (Geoffrey S. Mendelson)
Date: 7/15/2004 10:16 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article , Len Over 21
wrote:

AMATEUR radio long ago CEASED to be a "pool of experienced morse
operators" for any national need. The nation does NOT need morse
operators, haven't for a long time.

That's an intresting point. 9/11 showed the need still exists for
experienced radio operators who can communicate under pressure.
Morde code is no longer necessary, but a clear voice, understanding
a phonetic alphabet, etc is.

Geoffrey, you'll notice Lennie interjected "morse" operators, although
he
does take great liberties with trying to discredit Amatueur Radio at any
opportunity.

Poor Stalker, still deep in delusional psychosis thinking that all who
disagree with Him are "discrediting amateur radio"

You did take editorial liberty with the post to add your anti-Amateur
spin, Lennie.

No "spin." A direct reply to a hate-filled delusional psychotic obsessed
with
trying to "get" certain others is NOT an indictment against all amateurs.

No other radio service in the USA uses morse code for ANY
emergency communications, nor do they do that for primary
radio communications purposes. No Public Safety Radio group
needs any morse qualifications to do their work.

This is NOT any other radio group, Lennie.

It's not the Armed Forces.

It's not PLMRS.

It is not SINCGARS or 1950's Army message centers.

Neither is this "group" qualified about national politics or space travel or
exploration (except me)...but that doesn't stop the fantasyland Stalker
from making words about those things.

You know nothing about armed forces radio communications.

You know nothing about Private Land Mobile Radio Service.

You know nothing about SINCGARS or any Army communications
facilities of the 1950s.

You MUST mention all of those to avoid being reminded that you know
so little of anything beyond amateurism.

Additionally he was in error that stating that "Amateur radio long ago
ceased to be a "pool of experienced morse operators" for any national
need."

No "error." REALITY.

Stevie Stalker LIES again, but doesn't understand he does. Tsk.

He confuses his fantasy with reality. Bad scene. He need mental
help.

And conce again we have a non-licensed...in this case mental healtcare
provider...rendering yet another unqualified opinion.

NOBODY needs "qualification certificates" to see your obsession and
stalking with all the mouthing off of snit against those you don't like.

You're nuts. Aberrant. Whacko.

No fantasy.

Right. Real life. Right here. You're nuts with obsessional hate.


VERY small. The Military Intelligence Center at Fort Huachuca
trains signal intercept operators. A few of the MOSs in that school
learn International Morse Code from computer programs. Those same
trainees also learn to operate a variety of recorders to record those
intercepts for later analysis. Just one small facet of MI training.

Morse Code will continue for some time to be a necessary skill.

Only in your fantasyland dreaming.

Thankfully some in the Armed Forces have been able to recognize that
while
we've buried ourselves under burdonsome technology, some of our adversaries
have quietly gone about keeping things in the KISS mode...And THEY have done
thier best to make sure we can have at least some reserve pool of AD personnel
who can be called upon to intercept it.

More imaginary bull****.

Again, you don't name names and talk only in generalities. That's because
you have NO experience in military electronics R&D or contracts
administration nor in planning...not in the labs, not in the field, not even
in the history of military radio.

Huachuca trains intercept operators on whatever is needed. Computer
programs for teaching morse code cognition don't depend on human
morsemen to "teach" anything.

On-off keying morse code is falling in the rest of the world. Eventually
even they (the U.S. military) will drop that training. They have the
recorders and the recorded intercepts if some idiot foreign force wants
to use morse...and thus be open to signals attack by just about
anyone.

Open to attack by just about anyone?

The term "attack" in cryptography means to begin decipherment or
the act of decipherment. Word has been around a long time.

It's not the manual OOK that is important, Lennie...It's the message
being
sent. The Germans used OOK from thier subs, and until we came into possession
of an Enigma machine and the requisite code books, their transmissions were
just as "secret" as they woul;d have been using any other mode today.

More bull**** from the very UNqualified "military communications" non-
guru. Quit cutting and pasting from old WW2 stories.

The Brits broke Enigma early in WW2. NOBODY broke the U.S.
rotor system implemented in the "Sigaba" teleprinters.

NOBODY worthwhile is using "code books" in this day and age.
At best, they might use "one-time pads." Nobody HAS to. The
encryption-decryption can be done in firmware, in a microcontroller.
It's done daily in millions of cell phones.

"Burdensome technology?!?" For a single IC stuck on a PC board?
Produces and deciphers to a very long key and is essentially very
hard to break.

128-bit encryption-decryption is regularly done in Internet browser
software. For all intents and purposes it is as secure as needs be.

On-line cryptography is NOT "burdensome" today. It occurs millions
of times a day around the world. Only the severe paranoiacs go
berserk at the thought of it. It is secure enough for its purpose.

AJKKL CDPMQ GCMMN ADAZP DDSZX WTUPA ZPZQY

Now...if I transmit those code groups via manual Morse, PSK, encrypted
vocie satellite, etc, of what use are they without the code book?

"Vocie?" [a new mode? :-) ]

Of what use is that "code book?" About the LAST time the U.S.
military used "code books" was in North Africa around 1942-1943.
A State Department code book, used by an Army major who knew
military tactics but nothing about cryptography. German field
cryptologists routinely broke his reports. He never knew.

And if I can send those code groups to my "agents" with a transmitter
hacked together with $50 worth of parts rather than a $3000 manpack that
requires an orbiting asset to realy it,

Riiiiight...you've been reading too many morse romance novels again,
haven't you? :-)

Riiiiiight...."hacking together" a super-secret raddio for HF that uses
"unbreakable" morse code. :-) For only $50 worth of parts. Right.

In your dreams, delusional one.

All that kind of nonsense ended with WW2.

No wonder you never got any real military commo experience.
Not even when you learned to stencil those boxes correctly.


By your own admission (unless you were lying about that too) you are not
involved in any emergency communications program except as an observer.

Incorrect. Try 1994. January.

From your posts here it is pretty clear you that you are indeed NOT
involved in any program at any level.

Right. All our phones here have 911 capability. :-)

What is the Stalker going to do? "Airborne his CAP asset" and relay
super-secret HF morse from his "agents?!?"



But while you've been so anxious to take each and every opportunity to
naysay anything anyone has said that even remotely favors Amateur Radio, you
haven't been paying attention to what's being said.

There's a psychotic in this forum, Lennie...But it's not me.

Crazy folks won't admit they are crazy. :-)

Basic rule found in any undergraduate psychology course.


There ya go, Stalker. You just keep on beepin...and imagining
yourself a big fat Hero of the Homeland for beeping fast.

So long, Reality again. Hello fantasy!

If what you are is "reality", Lennie, then I would do well to stay in
what
YOU call "fantasy"

Sucks to be you, Putz.

Tsk. The Stalker put away is Amateur Corps Class A uniform and the
recruiting posters for the United States Amateur Corps ("A few good men...")
and lapsed into his hate-filled snarliness mode.

Well, Stalker IS a representative of top-of-the-line amateur radio licensee.

All the PCTA love him. He be Tuff and Loud. Yell-Yell alla time.

LHA / WMD

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Sucks to be you, Putz.

Tsk. The Stalker put away is Amateur Corps Class A uniform and the
recruiting posters for the United States Amateur Corps ("A few good men...")
and lapsed into his hate-filled snarliness mode.

I see a glimpse of humanity from Steve every few weeks. I like him
much better that way. I'll pray for him tonight.

Well, Stalker IS a representative of top-of-the-line amateur radio licensee.

Let's back away from that idea for a while. What? We've got maybe
four or five Extras on here who are congenital liars, spinmasters, or
just cranky old farts VS how many did Jim just post are in the ARS?

I don't think Steve and the others on here are representative of
top-of-the-line amateurs at all. As a matter of fact, I feel kind of
sorry for Jim. I think he's hung in here about a year too long. He
should have bailed before his lost his last remnant of dignity. His
post about "Morse Code Exams are a disincentive to CW use" really told
the tale. Since then he's gone over to the dark side and can't find
his way back. He's truly committed.

All the PCTA love him. He be Tuff and Loud. Yell-Yell alla time.

I think they only support him because they think they'll all hang
separately if they don't hang together. I can't imagine them actually
coming forwad to say they love him. Just another case of group-think.
So suprised when Jim first said Bruce might be brilliant (hi, hi),
then said he wasn't proper amateur material.

In article ,
(William) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article ,
(Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Sucks to be you, Putz.

Tsk. The Stalker put away is Amateur Corps Class A uniform and the
recruiting posters for the United States Amateur Corps ("A few good
men...")
and lapsed into his hate-filled snarliness mode.

I see a glimpse of humanity from Steve every few weeks. I like him
much better that way. I'll pray for him tonight.

I used to pray for him. Some time ago. Reason was I got this
faraway guffaw smothered by a divine hand, I think. It went something
like this: Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Well, Stalker IS a representative of top-of-the-line amateur radio
licensee.

Let's back away from that idea for a while. What? We've got maybe
four or five Extras on here who are congenital liars, spinmasters, or
just cranky old farts VS how many did Jim just post are in the ARS?

Whatever Rev. Jim's source, it is the only one "correct."

I prefer Hamdata.com tabulations, not the "interpreted kind." All
those sources have fast broadband access to the SAME data
files (enorrmous ones, BTW).

I see your point. I also see all the PCTAs who are arrogantly
adamant about Being So Right about their viewpoints.

All us newsgrope readers see the same text. Those mighty words
of the PCTA (and their ilk) appear on everyone's screen. They have
their Say and So Be It. They are the Great Gurus. De facto, not
de jure. What is anyone to believe about U.S. amateur radio if
their only source of information is from those same OFs?

I don't think Steve and the others on here are representative of
top-of-the-line amateurs at all.

No? :-)

I agree with you...knowing more radio amateurs off-line than on-
line. KD6JG is what I consider a good friend and I'm hoping to
say hello to him in mid-California a bit later. W6MJN was Best
Man at my wedding. That's just two out of many. shrug

As a matter of fact, I feel kind of sorry for Jim. I think he's hung in
here about a year too long. He should have bailed before his lost
his last remnant of dignity.

Jim was on the AOL ham pub before I saw him on r.r.a.p. Was
like a Newington-south recruitment drive on AOL to me. Came
off like an 80-year-old OF. QED. Couldn't take much
controversy then, can't now.

His
post about "Morse Code Exams are a disincentive to CW use" really told
the tale. Since then he's gone over to the dark side and can't find
his way back. He's truly committed.

All that "committment" gets to all. Amateur radio is NOT a
marriage and life ever after. The PCTA cannot change their minds
nor let anyone else change their minds. Not ever! :-)

"MARS IS amateur radio" is from an extreme case. :-)

All the PCTA love him. He be Tuff and Loud. Yell-Yell alla time.

I think they only support him because they think they'll all hang
separately if they don't hang together. I can't imagine them actually
coming forward to say they love him. Just another case of group-think.

Well, united they hang or they hang separately. Either way, the
hanging happens.

But, here's the thing with Yell-Yell: Everyone against him is
"really me under a pseudonym!" So, what you just wrote is what
I just wrote, since "we are the same person!" Hi hi hi hi.
Bang the conundrum slowly... :-)

So suprised when Jim first said Bruce might be brilliant (hi, hi),
then said he wasn't proper amateur material.

Broose is just a character...with or without a license. :-)

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article ,
(William) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article ,
(Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Sucks to be you, Putz.

Tsk. The Stalker put away is Amateur Corps Class A uniform and the
recruiting posters for the United States Amateur Corps ("A few good
men...")
and lapsed into his hate-filled snarliness mode.

I see a glimpse of humanity from Steve every few weeks. I like him
much better that way. I'll pray for him tonight.

I used to pray for him. Some time ago. Reason was I got this
faraway guffaw smothered by a divine hand, I think. It went something
like this: Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Phew! Thought I was going nuts. I've heard that smothered guffaw -
the last time I prayed for Steve.

Well, Stalker IS a representative of top-of-the-line amateur radio
licensee.

Let's back away from that idea for a while. What? We've got maybe
four or five Extras on here who are congenital liars, spinmasters, or
just cranky old farts VS how many did Jim just post are in the ARS?

Whatever Rev. Jim's source, it is the only one "correct."

If you don't believe it, just ask him. ;^)

I prefer Hamdata.com tabulations, not the "interpreted kind." All
those sources have fast broadband access to the SAME data
files (enorrmous ones, BTW).

I see your point. I also see all the PCTAs who are arrogantly
adamant about Being So Right about their viewpoints.

Most of the hams I kinow are decent people. But everyone once in a
while I run into a problem ham, and invariably, he's an Extra.

All us newsgrope readers see the same text. Those mighty words
of the PCTA (and their ilk) appear on everyone's screen. They have
their Say and So Be It. They are the Great Gurus. De facto, not
de jure. What is anyone to believe about U.S. amateur radio if
their only source of information is from those same OFs?

It would be sad if that were true. Fortunately, there are other
sources of information on the ARS.

I don't think Steve and the others on here are representative of
top-of-the-line amateurs at all.

No? :-)

Gawd NO!

I agree with you...knowing more radio amateurs off-line than on-
line. KD6JG is what I consider a good friend and I'm hoping to
say hello to him in mid-California a bit later. W6MJN was Best
Man at my wedding. That's just two out of many. shrug

Many.

As a matter of fact, I feel kind of sorry for Jim. I think he's hung in
here about a year too long. He should have bailed before his lost
his last remnant of dignity.

Jim was on the AOL ham pub before I saw him on r.r.a.p. Was
like a Newington-south recruitment drive on AOL to me. Came
off like an 80-year-old OF. QED. Couldn't take much
controversy then, can't now.

Sorry to hear that. So long banging the same drum. Time for him to
get a new skin (a thicker one).

His
post about "Morse Code Exams are a disincentive to CW use" really told
the tale. Since then he's gone over to the dark side and can't find
his way back. He's truly committed.

All that "committment" gets to all. Amateur radio is NOT a
marriage and life ever after. The PCTA cannot change their minds
nor let anyone else change their minds. Not ever! :-)

Closed Mind.

"MARS IS amateur radio" is from an extreme case. :-)

As Buzz Light Year says, "To Insanity and Beyond!"

All the PCTA love him. He be Tuff and Loud. Yell-Yell alla time.

I think they only support him because they think they'll all hang
separately if they don't hang together. I can't imagine them actually
coming forward to say they love him. Just another case of group-think.

Well, united they hang or they hang separately. Either way, the
hanging happens.

They'll have to face Hiram at the Pearly Gates. They got a lot of
splainin to do.

But, here's the thing with Yell-Yell: Everyone against him is
"really me under a pseudonym!" So, what you just wrote is what
I just wrote, since "we are the same person!" Hi hi hi hi.
Bang the conundrum slowly... :-)

I am the Eggman, I am the Walrus, Koo koo ka choob. And I'm Cutie
Boy, Morgan, Avery Fineman, Mad Dog Deignan, etc, etc, etc. Hi, hi.

What an imagination Yell Yell have. Hallmark of loose screw.

So suprised when Jim first said Bruce might be brilliant (hi, hi),
then said he wasn't proper amateur material.

Broose is just a character...with or without a license. :-)

A vey short character like "e." He's largely gone over to the CB
groups (any wonder?). And Mama Dee is handing out antenna advice on
another group. Hi, hi!

In article ,
(William) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article ,
(William) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article ,
(Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Sucks to be you, Putz.

Tsk. The Stalker put away is Amateur Corps Class A uniform and the
recruiting posters for the United States Amateur Corps ("A few good
men...")
and lapsed into his hate-filled snarliness mode.

I see a glimpse of humanity from Steve every few weeks. I like him
much better that way. I'll pray for him tonight.

I used to pray for him. Some time ago. Reason was I got this
faraway guffaw smothered by a divine hand, I think. It went something
like this: Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Phew! Thought I was going nuts. I've heard that smothered guffaw -
the last time I prayed for Steve.

Don't do it too much. I've been getting the "don't bother me on trivia"
admonishments on Sundays. :-)

Well, Stalker IS a representative of top-of-the-line amateur radio
licensee.

Let's back away from that idea for a while. What? We've got maybe
four or five Extras on here who are congenital liars, spinmasters, or
just cranky old farts VS how many did Jim just post are in the ARS?

Whatever Rev. Jim's source, it is the only one "correct."

If you don't believe it, just ask him. ;^)

No one has to "ask." He is the Hall Monitor always at the ready
to "correct" the heathen.

I prefer Hamdata.com tabulations, not the "interpreted kind." All
those sources have fast broadband access to the SAME data
files (enorrmous ones, BTW).

I see your point. I also see all the PCTAs who are arrogantly
adamant about Being So Right about their viewpoints.

Most of the hams I kinow are decent people. But everyone once in a
while I run into a problem ham, and invariably, he's an Extra.

And, invariably, they gravitate HERE. :-)

All us newsgrope readers see the same text. Those mighty words
of the PCTA (and their ilk) appear on everyone's screen. They have
their Say and So Be It. They are the Great Gurus. De facto, not
de jure. What is anyone to believe about U.S. amateur radio if
their only source of information is from those same OFs?

It would be sad if that were true. Fortunately, there are other
sources of information on the ARS.

I don't think so. I keep getting told that "No one can possibly
know anything without that license!"

It is the epiphany of knowledge. [so they say...]

I don't think Steve and the others on here are representative of
top-of-the-line amateurs at all.

No? :-)

Gawd NO!

Don't tell Them that! WW3 will break out!

I agree with you...knowing more radio amateurs off-line than on-
line. KD6JG is what I consider a good friend and I'm hoping to
say hello to him in mid-California a bit later. W6MJN was Best
Man at my wedding. That's just two out of many. shrug

Many.

As a matter of fact, I feel kind of sorry for Jim. I think he's hung in
here about a year too long. He should have bailed before his lost
his last remnant of dignity.

Jim was on the AOL ham pub before I saw him on r.r.a.p. Was
like a Newington-south recruitment drive on AOL to me. Came
off like an 80-year-old OF. QED. Couldn't take much
controversy then, can't now.

Sorry to hear that. So long banging the same drum. Time for him to
get a new skin (a thicker one).

...or quit the CD of that holiday favorite, "Little Drummer Boy." :-)

His
post about "Morse Code Exams are a disincentive to CW use" really told
the tale. Since then he's gone over to the dark side and can't find
his way back. He's truly committed.

All that "committment" gets to all. Amateur radio is NOT a
marriage and life ever after. The PCTA cannot change their minds
nor let anyone else change their minds. Not ever! :-)

Closed Mind.

Lifestylers try for that. Believers LIVE it.


"MARS IS amateur radio" is from an extreme case. :-)

As Buzz Light Year says, "To Insanity and Beyond!"

Buzz has more animation...

All the PCTA love him. He be Tuff and Loud. Yell-Yell alla time.

I think they only support him because they think they'll all hang
separately if they don't hang together. I can't imagine them actually
coming forward to say they love him. Just another case of group-think.

Well, united they hang or they hang separately. Either way, the
hanging happens.

They'll have to face Hiram at the Pearly Gates. They got a lot of
splainin to do.

They might be expecting all those virgins. Whoops, wrong
religion. That's a sect of Islam, not morseodism.

But, here's the thing with Yell-Yell: Everyone against him is
"really me under a pseudonym!" So, what you just wrote is what
I just wrote, since "we are the same person!" Hi hi hi hi.
Bang the conundrum slowly... :-)

I am the Eggman, I am the Walrus, Koo koo ka choob. And I'm Cutie
Boy, Morgan, Avery Fineman, Mad Dog Deignan, etc, etc, etc. Hi, hi.

What an imagination Yell Yell have. Hallmark of loose screw.

"Hallmark?" "...when you want to send the very worst..."

So suprised when Jim first said Bruce might be brilliant (hi, hi),
then said he wasn't proper amateur material.

Broose is just a character...with or without a license. :-)

A vey short character like "e." He's largely gone over to the CB
groups (any wonder?). And Mama Dee is handing out antenna advice on
another group. Hi, hi!

"Antenna advice?" Oh, good grief...

I'd better message Jack Stone over on Antennex. "Yellow Alert" for
that fine group of experimenters.

I wonder if Dee will have admonishments on guy wires? :-)

LHA / WMD

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article ,
(William) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article ,
(Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

I see your point. I also see all the PCTAs who are arrogantly
adamant about Being So Right about their viewpoints.

S'funny. I see you as arrogantly adamant about bEING sO rIGHT about
your viewpoints.

All us newsgrope readers see the same text. Those mighty words
of the PCTA (and their ilk) appear on everyone's screen. They have
their Say and So Be It. They are the Great Gurus. De facto, not
de jure. What is anyone to believe about U.S. amateur radio if
their only source of information is from those same OFs?

You're an OF, Len. In Fact, you're currently the O'est F known to be
posting here. You're a one-man ilk. You'll never be a Great Guru in
amateur radio as you are in no way involved in amateur radio. I don't
think anyone would seek you out as a single source of info on amateur
radio.

Dave K8MN

You're an OF, Len. In Fact, you're currently the O'est F known to be
posting here. You're a one-man ilk. You'll never be a Great Guru in
amateur radio as you are in no way involved in amateur radio. I don't
think anyone would seek you out as a single source of info on amateur
radio.

Dave K8MN

Len, just get the damm license. It ain't that hard. Hell even 5wpm.
I did it and I'm no good at sort of "motor skill" kind of thing.
Then get on the air some. Then you can speak with some creditability
here and other forums on ham radio.

Robert Casey wrote in message ...


You're an OF, Len. In Fact, you're currently the O'est F known to be
posting here. You're a one-man ilk. You'll never be a Great Guru in
amateur radio as you are in no way involved in amateur radio. I don't
think anyone would seek you out as a single source of info on amateur
radio.

Dave K8MN

Len, just get the damm license. It ain't that hard. Hell even 5wpm.
I did it and I'm no good at sort of "motor skill" kind of thing.
Then get on the air some. Then you can speak with some creditability
here and other forums on ham radio.

Won't matter. When Len hits 20 years in the amateur service, these
guys will have 50. Len will still be "wet behind the ears." The
license just doesn't matter with these guys - it's merely their excuse
to act like idiots.

Subject: FCC Morse testing at 16 and 20 WPM
From: Robert Casey
Date: 7/18/2004 11:37 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:




You're an OF, Len. In Fact, you're currently the O'est F known to be
posting here. You're a one-man ilk. You'll never be a Great Guru in
amateur radio as you are in no way involved in amateur radio. I don't
think anyone would seek you out as a single source of info on amateur
radio.

Dave K8MN

Len, just get the damm license. It ain't that hard. Hell even 5wpm.
I did it and I'm no good at sort of "motor skill" kind of thing.
Then get on the air some. Then you can speak with some creditability
here and other forums on ham radio.

Robert, he doesn't WANT the credibility.

He enjoys self-humiliation. Also, "get(ting) the !@#$ license" would mean
that he'd have to admit that he's just a mere mortal like all the rest of us,
and he could never live with that. He's wasted his life on self grandizing
himself so much, that anything else might make him look like a "real guy".

No...Lennie will never "get the !@#$ license". He just doesn't have the
character or class to do it.

73

Steve, K4YZ