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July 18th 04, 12:00 AM
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July 18th 04, 12:00 AM
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In article , (Steve
Stalker, Ethnic Cleanser Exxtra) writes: Subject: FCC Morse testing at 16 and 20 WPM From: (William) Date: 7/16/2004 5:23 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: (N2EY) wrote in message ... In article , (Len Over 21) writes: AMATEUR radio is a hobby, not a national service, not an arm of the United States Navy or the rest of the military, and not a public safety organization. Just a hobby involving radio. It's not "just a hobby". It is for most of the participants. And you have deduced this from WHAT valid research? But even if it were, what's the difference? If something is "just a hobby", does that mean there should be no standards, no training, no rules? The FCC does not mandate training, does not mandate operating. It simply has a mechanism in place for VEC's to examine applicants, for the issuance and renewal of licenses, publication of regulations, and rarely issues a citation. The FCC DOES mandate "training"...IF you want a license you will have to participate in a certain amount of training... Name the Part numbers. Cite the language of this "mandate." C'mon, Stalker, you are Mandate the Magician, show us your tricks. The FCC does not run contests, sprints, DXCC, field days, or nets. Whoa! Brain woke up for a few minutes! AMATEUR radio long ago CEASED to be a "pool of experienced morse operators" for any national need. When did it cease, Len? "long ago" When did it cease Brian? Back when you were operating from Somalia? Before that. :-) Before the First Gulf War, in fact. Or was it when unlicensed devices started playing a "major role" in "emergency comms"...?!?! Twenty years ago, cellular telephony was just beginning and only a few were installed, mainly in vehicles. Now there are millions and one American in three has a cell phone subscription. Not only that, FRS HTs (all unlicensed) are a regular consumer electronics market item for $50 or less a pair. CB has been there for over 40 years and may number 5 million or so in the USA now. And here's a fun fact: The Basis and Purpose never used the phrase "experienced morse operators". Just "experienced operators" - no mention of modes. So the Basis and Purpose never emphasized (favored) one mode over another. Wonder where that come from? Why would you wonder? It's been almos the same language as long as I have been licensed. You have "licensure" mister fancy legal pro. :-) Since when was nursie admitted to a bar? Legal bar, that is. The nation does NOT need morse operators, haven't for a long time. How long? "a long time" PuppetBoy strikes again. Jim, did you realize that a code exam is a disincentive to CW use? Brain, did you know there are people on 6 and 2 meters USING Morse Code who DIDN'T take an FCC test to do so...?!?! Call Riley Hollingsworth! Untested, unlicensed PIRATES on the ham bands!!! Make your call, big mental health pro, have them COMMITTED! You can do it! [you haven't done it on me or Brian, though] Get tough! [tougher] Show them all who is BOSS! :-) Arf Arf!! Yell Yell!! LHA / WMD |
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#104
July 18th 04, 12:00 AM
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In article ,
(William) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: There's a dozen of us in this forum alone who hold current licensure and who are proficient in Morse Code. Wow! I'll bet NO ONE has as pretty a set of dress blues as da gunnery nurse dill sergeant of the Amateur Corps! Must wear white gloves when busy beeping. Len, what the heck is "current licensure?" Does that mean he has a permit to swim upstream and spawn with the salmon, or he can draw a few amps from his starter battery? "Licensure" is a fancy legal term for "being licensed" as in a profession. Not many dictionaries have the definition. It isn't in everyday speech. :-) Nursie wants to adopt it because he feels his federal amateur authority license thingy is so Very Important and so Very Pro- fessional sounding. [dreamland wish-fulfillment thing of his] Nursie has a terrible need to Feel Important, Be Respected for his mighty macho morse accomplishment. He is an Exxtra! [dos equis brand, probably] So, in his use of "current licensure" for his ham certificate, he be Oh So Very Important Authoritzed By Federal Authorities! Practically like he did an oral dissertation in front of a state bar. [or "lube job"] "Current?" I doubt that nursie twit can remember, let alone apply Ohm's Law of Resistance and all that E, I, and R imply. Play Act and Yell Yell he CAN do. :-) Seems like it "ain't over yet" to me... Any time now... :-) And here's a fun fact: The Basis and Purpose never used the phrase "experienced morse operators". Just "experienced operators" - no mention of modes. That's a LennieRant issue, Jim. Even when the current context DOESN'T include Morse Code, he'll interject it and then claim we (licensees) are the ones obsessed with it. You are. QED. :-) dit dit. Poor thing. Doesn't realize what he does in here... Maybe that ethnic cleanser he uses is affecting his brain... The nation does NOT need morse operators, haven't for a long time. How long? And who said? Was there a Presidential Executive Order? Did Congress ammend the Constitution? Did the FCC and NTIA prohibit the use of Morse Code for thier respective services? Poor nursie still living in his fantasy world. Tsk, tsk. He doesn't get out beyond checking out "paid services," I guess. Even maritime radio has gone over to SSB voice and data modes for open-ocean communications. That and satellite relay. NO other radio service besides amateur radio uses any morse code modes for communications. IOW, Morse Code is gone by popular demand. Except in the Anachronism Reenactors Radio League. Poor nursie doesn't know that, Brian. Things work differently in his fantasyland dream world. There's only two slices of Morse-only spectrum, both are in the VHF range, To prove that, I'll tune to 14.010 and listen for his USB call. Nope, didn't hear it. He's not telling the truth. Again. and were lobbied for by weak signal operators anxious to see a part of the spectrum protected for thier work...Mostly EME and meteor scatter techniques, but the sues are growing. "Sues?" There's litigation about VHF and up? No, no. You know, "Sues." His pair of twin blow up dolls. He's gotten them some augmentation to meet his manly expectations. "So what if he gets a little on the side." Ah! So! I forgot about THAT "Sue." :-) :-) :-) [I wonder what their Torr rating is? :-) ] Oh, my! Those lawyers are into everything, aren't they? I wouldn't be suprised if they have "Sues" as well. Maybe Philkane can chime in on that one. I dunno about that. A couple acquaintences keep saying "lawyers suck!" and I thought it was just a figure of speech... So, the League is a surrogate parent?!? I don't think so. How many kids have you raised, Len? Including himself? Ham radio is all about raising children? Good heavens, I thought ham radio was all about preserving the morse modes forever and ever! One learns something every day! Ham radio is all about Raising Children! If a few of them would only grow up it wouldn't be! Dinna worra, laddie, Mama Dee is on the job, ready to spank and discipline "the children!" :-) Are all the Amateur Extras surrogate parents now? I don't think so. You aren't. But that's what he perceives himself as... Dee, quit this infernal nattering about "parentage" and ham radio. Why, Len? Because it's really quite an accurate analogy? It makes Lennie nervous. He shot blanks all his life, and now any discussion of kids get's him wound up. That's why he wanted to exert some "parental control" over younger licensees with that age limit crap. Tsk, tsk, tsk. I didn't "shoot blanks all my life." My children are not a subject of discussion in here. They are all physically and mentally normal. Next thing you know, he'll be "dialing, dialing, dialing" to get verification from our wives. Nursie can't dial my first one (I be a widower for a long time) but my second one is not only my high school sweetheart but also a Masters degree holder in Social Work (Univ. of Illinois). Poor nursie thinks he can out-wit my wife is in for a rude shock...she has experience with crazies, but got tired of that and retired. He doesn't understand that our wives are off limits to his little dramas. He doesn't understand MANY things! Yiddish, Ohm's Law of Resistance, social graces, that amateur is NOT a branch of the U.S. military just to name four... Quit trying to sound off like you've got an influential pair. Pair of what, Len? What ever they are, I bet Lennie doesn't have a pair of them...Maybe a pair of slippers or glasses...Nothing else. Tsk, tsk. No humor among the PCTA. [cut to scene of military post and assembly after reveille...female first- soldier starts calling roll, shouts "sound off like you got a pair!"] His eyes would be too busy darting from one cover bubble level to the other than to focus on the female. He would mumble something like, "MARS IS Amateur Radio, Sir." Hahhhhhh! He'd probably "get down and give her two" to show he means it... :-) [non military veterans won't understand that...so just skip it] Nursie thinks licentiousness (not licensure) is an okay side for hams. [see other posting of his, the one where he gets angry about "Neil" and Dubya] Definitely "current licentiousness." Well, he's an Exxtra. That means he can do ANYTHING he likes. :-) If you're an example of "professional communicator", than I'm glad to be an amateur. So V E R Y glad! Tsk. The less-than-half-a-year "electronics purchasing agent" couldn't cut it. Only civilian "electronics job" he ever had. Poor guy. Well, there's always night school for nursie. :-) Maybe one day he'll make something of hisself. But what are the odds? I called Las Vegas. They don't have him on any board. All bets off. A non-starter...even with "current licensure." :-) LHA / WMD |
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#105
July 18th 04, 12:00 AM
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In article ,
(William) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: FCC Morse testing at 16 and 20 WPM From: (Len Over 21) Date: 7/15/2004 8:41 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: FCC Morse testing at 16 and 20 WPM From: PAMNO (N2EY) Date: 7/15/2004 11:44 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , (Len Over 21) writes: Nonsense for the new millennium. That's what you're giving us, Len! Of course it is. Without any practical experience in Amatuer Radio, how could he render an INFORMED opinon on ANYthing having to do with Amateur Radio...??? Riiiiiiight, Stalker. How can ANYONE possibly know anything about anything without being federally licensed in it? I didn't say "licensed", Lennie...I said "experienced". Gosh, in your psychotic fantasyland, amateur radio must be a classified, sensitive, deep dark secret, revealed only to those "eyes only" folks who have been background-checked, right? NOBODY unlicense can possibly know anything at all! Sure they can...if they ahve some sort of practical experience in it... Illogical. To have "practical experience" in amateur radio REQUIRES an amateur license. Those without that magick license "cannot have any practical experience in it." [Stalker stated that] Bottom line is that Stalker doesn't know what the hell he is talking about. U.S. amateur radio is open for observation to anyone...on the air, in print, in person to the public. Stalker is trying vainly to prove that those without licenses cannot know anything at all about radio. That's absolutely false, a LIE of bright magnitude, but he can't stop. Tsk. You are neither licensed OR experienced. Not in AMATEUR RADIO. Len, what are "morsemen"? Anything and everything he's not. I'm a retired electronics engineer with a good retirement income. You are an ALLEGED electronics engineer. Sigh. Poor nursie can't help herself with all the insults. :-) Riiiiiight...I have alleged resumes, alleged history in the alleged industry, an alleged patent, alleged schooling with alleged skin from an alleged sheep, know alleged hams who have alleged ham licenses longer than nursie has allegedly lived. Not only that, the alleged IRS and alleged tax board and alleged government agencies all allegedly believe I allegedly did all that. The alleged bank keeps track of all the alleged income I allegedly made, taking in the alleged social security check allegely electornically. Not only that, I was once a long-time member of Joe Sheppard's The Ledge BBS! Some in a position to know your "professional" services directly quantify your skills as "mediocre, at best..." A LIE, nursie. Bald-faced, out and out LIE. You don't know squat about the electronics industry or military electronics or civilian electronics other than reading about ham radio in QST. YOU DON'T KNOW. Now YOU produce those NAMES of the "some" you ALLEGE "know." You can't because they DON'T EXIST. They are a fermentation of your hate-filled obsessional, delusional psychosis in here. Get some mental therapy. From a real shrink. It will help everyone, even yourself. Pbththththth. LHA / WMD Len, he's a freak. Stay away. "Danger Will Robinson. Danger!" I'm still waiting "to be picked up by the authorities alerted by the call made by that mental health professional" idiot, nursie. I still can't believe he broadcast that claim of being "able to pick up a phone and have us committed" all over the Internet via this newsgroup! :-) He HAS lost all touch with reality. Nutso. Whacked-out. Zoned on his own peyote-chewing dreamland. He IS "Lost in Space!" :-) LHA / WMD |
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#106
July 18th 04, 12:00 AM
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In article ,
(William) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , (William) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , PAMNO (N2EY) writes: In article , (Len Over 21) writes: In article , PAMNO (N2EY) writes: More spectrum is simply the reward system in use. It was chosen in large part because it's easy to enforce. Nonsense for the new millennium. That's what you're giving us, Len! Now, now Rev. Jim. You're off on an evangelical Sermon on the Antenna Mount again! You just didn't answer the question I posed about "enforcement ease." Tsk. tsk. tsk. Tell us how morse signals are "easier to enforce" than voice signals. Try a few details of how that is done. That's going to be a problem for Jimmy Who. His claim is illogical. Anyway, I'll be standing by waiting for his answer. BTW, I heard the temperature in hell is falling rapidly. Don't expect miracles. Not in the answer or the environment of hell. LHA / WMD I have more faith in the environment of hell than I do in the truthfulness of the lobotomized, lock-steppedness of the PCTA. I think I've figured out why the PCTA absolutely HATED any thought whatsoever of a small suggestion I made long ago to the FCC - that of having a certain minimum age for a license. The PCTA are all acting so childish about that morse test requirement that they can't stand not being able to continue to be childish. "Wah wah wha...we gots to have a morse test!!!" "All the 'big' people in radio know morse and we are 'big' people!" All of which was fine for the 1930s...but hardly so 70 years later. All the PCTA seemed to have innoculated themselves with mighty macho morsemanship at an early age and are still addicted to it and the Importance (!) of the mode to "all radio." They are all - seemingly - a bunch of middle-age sitter-downers (in front of their radios) wishing fervently to recapture their youth lost so many years back. They want their youth back and with that, their youthful ideals which were so Very Important back then. They don't really give a damn about anyone else. They want to force the morse test on everyone because They were forced to learn it by Their seniors. They want to get even. Such wishing is typically of the childish. QED. Ergo, game, set, and match. Mama Dee and Rev. Jim say that "the experienced" (all those who love honor cherish and obey morse code) MUST be "in charge" of determining the whichness of the what. Regression is the better part of their valor. Or stasis. LHA / WMD |
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#107
July 18th 04, 12:00 AM
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In article ,
(William) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: FCC Morse testing at 16 and 20 WPM From: (Len Over 21) Date: 7/15/2004 8:41 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , (Stevie Stalker, Mighty Macho Morseman Ethnic Cleanser of Olde Tyme Hamme Raddio using a Fleet Kit) writes: "I am only here to civilly debate the Morse Code test issue" The lies of Lennie Anderson continue. "Lies" only in nursie's fantasyland. Poor nursie. LHA / WMD Drama Queen ...from Middle School drama class... :-) LHA / WMD |
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#108
July 18th 04, 12:00 AM
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In article , "Dee D. Flint"
writes: "N2EY" wrote in message ... [snip] The important question is, who is the best judge of what the requirements should be? The newcomer or the experienced ham? That is the very crux of the problem. Somehow too many have lost sight of the fact that those with experience should be the ones to define the requirements. Territorial Imperative! Turf! Mama Dee has TOLD US "children!" What she say be da Law! :-) Dee, so many of "you" have lost sight of the fact that amateur radio was not created in your images nor do "you" have all the power to take over the playing field. Sorry to subvert your endeavor to "take charge here," but there is no emergency requiring what is tantamount to martial law by "the experienced." If "the experienced" had their power, hams would all be beeping away on HF with no voice privileges and the VHF and above bands would be non-existant ("only real hams use morse on HF"). "The Bands" would remain in stasis of the 1920s and not advance much at all. Why do you wish to subvert democratic principles when it comes to the hobby of ham radio? LHA / WMD |
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#109
July 18th 04, 12:00 AM
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In article ,
(William) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: FCC Morse testing at 16 and 20 WPM From: (Len Over 21) Date: 7/15/2004 8:41 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , (Stevie Stalker, Ethnic Cleanser of Olde Tyme Hamme Raddio) writes: A nickle says Lennie the Lame found yet another anonymous server to hide behind. If not, it's someone he's slept with. Poor Stalker making LIES again. Tsk, tsk. Not a lie, Lennie...A bet. With whom? One of your other personalities? Poor obsessed, delusional nursie. Can't imagine that anyone else doesn't like the Stalking Mighty Macho Morseman. Thinks all who say negative to nursie are all pseudonyms of me. That's nutso-ville. Aberrant delusional psychosis. Whacko-land. Yep. He have Big Drama in head. Poor nursie must think we are Ebert & Roeper who just gave him two "thumbs down" early Sunday evening on national TV. :-) Poor nursie would snit iffen he ever discovered there's NO Internet out there...his computer is making all this up!!! :-) Beep, beep. LHA / WMD dit, dit. dah dah. That T is crossed and your I is dotted. :-) LHA / WMD |
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#110
July 18th 04, 12:56 AM
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In article , "Dee D. Flint"
writes: "William" wrote in message . com... PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in message ... The important question is, who is the best judge of what the requirements should be? The newcomer or the experienced ham? 73 de Jim, N2EY Jim, many experienced amateurs have spoken agains the continued use of the Morse Code as a filter. You ignore them, or say they must be wrong. Luckily, hams don't decide, necomer or otherwise. The FCC does, and they see merit in the reasonable arguments put forth by those experienced hams. Best of Luck Please post the URLs of the surveys to back up your claim. How "many?" Is it a majority or is it just a vocal minority? It's a vocal minority. So far the FCC has done nothing with the innumerable petitions nor have the acted unilaterally to implement the change now allowed by the international treaty. At this point it is premature to say that the FCC sees merit in either side of the question. Back in 1998, the majority of those who commented on the restructuring NPRM not only supported code testing but supported code testing at more than the minimum 5 wpm level. The vast majority of those commenting were licensed US hams. In the comments to the various recent petitions, the number of *individuals* (again, the vast majority of whom are licensed hams) supporting continued code testing is the majority. Those opposed are the minority. Heck, in its 8 or so years of existence, "No-Code International" (remember them?) has not been able to attract even 1% of US hams as members - even though there are no dues and no renewals. Any intelligent person doesn't consider it a filter. It is simply a useful element of ham radio that should be maintained. Some of the people against using it as a filter are for keeping it as a part of the ham's required knowledge. The term "filter" can be applied to any test or requirement. A written test "filters out" those who can't or won't pass it. But it does not guarantee that each and every one of those who does pass it will abide by all of the rules and regs and be a good ham. No test can guarantee that. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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